Teaching Gay History in California

Teaching Gay History in California

There are 12512 comments on the EDGE story from Jul 9, 2011, titled Teaching Gay History in California. In it, EDGE reports that:

California lawmakers on Tuesday sent the governor a bill that would make the state the first requiring public schools to include the contributions of gays and lesbians in social studies curriculum.

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Since: Jun 11

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#12764 Jan 8, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You call it 'irrational fear' and I call it consequences. The minute someone stops thinking about how promoting a policy makes them feel and asks, "Will it work? Will it make things better or worse?"; they stop being a liberal and become conservative.
What you again express, is fear of imagined consequences. That is not the same as an actual consequence.

We know marriage has a stabilizing effect on relationships and you have shown nothing to demonstrate any different.

Again, Conservative, anti-marriage equality director of the Institute for American Values David Blankenhorn, one of the few witnesses who testified in support of Prop 8:“Gay marriage would be a victory for the worthy ideas of tolerance and inclusion. It would likely decrease the number of those in society who tend to be viewed warily as ‘other’ and increase the number who are accepted as part of ‘us.’ In that respect, gay marriage would be a victory for, and another key expansion of, the American idea.”

You provide nothing beyond unsupported fear and empty slogans to support discrimination under the law.

Joe Balls

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#12765 Jan 8, 2013
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
You Christophobe! Just what we would expect from a religious Bigot!
People will come together and it will not be so 2 guys can stick their dicks in each others ass!
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Just so they don't wipe shyt on doorknobs like other democrats do.
The Lone Gunmen

United States

#12766 Jan 8, 2013
Judge: Parents have no right to know what homosexual activist taught their children in school

Sat Nov 10, 2012 17:40 EST
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HAMILTON, Ontario, November 9, 2012,( LifeSiteNews.com )– Parents and ratepayers in a Hamilton area school board will never know exactly what a homosexual activist told their children during a Gay-Straight Alliance (GSA) assembly a year ago.

The Information and Privacy Commissioner (IPC) of Ontario upheld last week the decision of the Hamilton-Wentworth District School Board (HWDSB) to “deny access to the record” of the speech.

Suresh Dominic of Campaign Life Catholics told LifeSiteNews.com that parents of school children should be “outraged that they have been denied the right to know what is being taught to their children.”

Last November, a certified teacher named Laura Wolfson was invited as a guest speaker at a school-wide GSA held at Parkside High School in Dundas. Wolfson reportedly identified herself to the 400 students as a lesbian “youth worship leader” from a synagogue and held herself out to be an authority on Old Testament Scripture.

Wolfson allegedly sought to discredit Catholic teaching on homosexuality by suggesting that since the eating of fish on Fridays was no longer adhered to, neither should biblical teachings on homosexuality.

She allegedly began her treatment of Scripture by providing a definition of the word “abomination,” after which she pointed out that two offenses other than homosexuality were labeled “abominations” in the Bible. They were “not keeping the Sabbath holy” and “getting drunk”. Wolfson suggested that since no one would condemn these two acts as “abominations” today, then it made no sense to condemn homosexual acts either.

Parents, ratepayers, and pro-family groups were outraged that school officials invited a speaker who publicly discredited Judeo-Christian beliefs. Many saw this as a foretaste of what Premier Dalton McGuinty’s newly proposed anti-bullying legislation, Bill 13, would bring into the schools. Critics warned that McGuinty’s bill concealed a radical agenda that would trample religious freedom and parental rights.

Parents, ratepayers, and pro-family groups demanded to know what exactly these children had heard.

Last March, LifeSiteNews.com filed a request to the HWDSB asking for a copy of Wolfson’s speech, which the HWDSB admitted to having.

HWDSB denied the request in May, saying that releasing the speech would constitute an “unjustifiable invasion of personal privacy”.

LifeSiteNews appealed that decision, filing a Freedom of Information request with the IPC on behalf of parents, ratepayers, and pro-family groups, again asking for Wolfson’s speaking notes to be released.

In the appeal, LifeSiteNews argued that there was “no reason why the contents of the speech should be kept private” since it was “publicly delivered” in front of students and staff at a public high school funded by tax dollars.

“It defies reason that what has been presented to school children and staff at a publicly funded school during a school wide assembly should be kept hidden from parents of school children and ratepayers in the HWDSB district,” wrote LifeSiteNews in a submission.

But IPC adjudicator Stella Ball sided with the HWDSB, preventing the release of Wolfson’s speech.

Ball, in her decision dated October 31, wrote that she was “not convinced” that “compelling public interest in disclosure arises out a need to know what publicly funded school boards are teaching students.”
The Lone Gunmen

United States

#12767 Jan 8, 2013
reventing the release of Wolfson’s speech.

Ball, in her decision dated October 31, wrote that she was “not convinced” that “compelling public interest in disclosure arises out a need to know what publicly funded school boards are teaching students.”

Ball also stated that since the speech mentions “the affected party’s sexual orientation and religious beliefs and associations” its release would “constitute an unjustified invasion of the affect party’s personal privacy [according to section 14 of the Municipal Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act].”

Steve Jalsevac, managing director of LifeSiteNews, said he was “not impressed by the heavy freedom of information red tape that seems intended to discourage citizens and media from obtaining information they have a right to.”

“After repeated efforts, using every possible channel to get the information we sought and following all the proper procedures, we have been denied, denied, denied,” he said.

Jalsevac pointed out the system appears to allow “manipulative persons” who might be operating within the context of a “homosexual ideology” to “withhold information they have no right to withhold.”

Geoff Cauchi, legal council for LifeSiteNews, told LifeSiteNews that the IPC commissioner may have “committed an obvious ‘error of law’ in its finding that there is no ‘compelling public interest in disclosure’ in this case.”

“It seems to be that there is an obvious public interest in disclosure where there are serious allegations that a public high school, by sponsoring the speech of the speaker, has committed a breach of the Education Act, and/or infringed upon the Charter right to freedom of religion of the students and their parents,” he said.

Cauchi said that the budget for a “judicial review” that would challenged IPC’s decision would be in the neighborhood of $15,000. The cost prohibits LifeSiteNews.com from pursuing the matter further.

Suresh Dominic called IPC’s siding with the HWDSB “proof that a shroud of secrecy and deceit is being thrown over what appears to be a blatant homosexual agenda for school children.”

Dominic pointed out that “these violations will continue to happen in our schools unless parents band together and demand transparency and accountability.”

“Parents must not be hoodwinked by the radical sexual agenda that homosexual activists have in store for their children. Parents and other tax payers must take back the schools for their kids,” he said.

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#12768 Jan 8, 2013
(2005) That LGBT people are the group most targeted by violent hate criminals is no secret to those who study such matters. Nor is it a surprise that many such criminals have reacted to things like gay civil unions and the striking down of state sodomy statutes with fury. But recent evidence from New York City suggests that anti-gay hate crimes may now be even more widespread and vicious than before.

New Yorkers in recent months have been shocked by the murder and dismemberment of Rashawn Brazell, whose mutilated body was left in a subway tunnel on Valentine's Day, and the brutal beating of Dwan Prince, who was attacked outside his apartment building on June 9 and beaten into a coma as his assailants shouted anti-gay slurs. Anti-gay hate crimes were up by 32% in the city from 2004, even as other kinds of hate crime dropped. And the New York City Gay and Lesbian Anti-Violence Project says reports of anti-gay violence are up 24% in the last two years, with reports of anti-gay assaults now averaging one each 36 hours.

The trend does not seem to be limited to New York. A sampling:

On May 6, the body of Amancio Corrales, a Yuma, Ariz., female impersonator, was found in the Colorado River, bludgeoned to death.
On July 9, five days after St. John's Reformed United Church of Christ in Middlebrook, Va., endorsed same-sex marriages, someone wrote "UCC Sinners" and "Gays Lovers" in the church before setting it afire.

On July 24, the Heart Rock gay nightclub in Brownsville, Texas, was vandalized and set on fire.
On July 25, a gay couple returned to their home near Orlando, Fla., to find it in flames and the words "Die Fag" spray-painted on the steps.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelli...

Uve

Since: Nov 12

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#12769 Jan 8, 2013
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
You Christophobe! Just what we would expect from a religious Bigot!
People will come together and it will not be so 2 guys can stick their dicks in each others ass!
<quoted text>
You're so obvious it's funny cupcake. The word bigot doesn't really apply to me..go look in the mirror.

Joe Balls

Since: May 11

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#12770 Jan 8, 2013
The Lone Gunmen wrote:
Judge: Parents have no right to know what homosexual activist ta
ught their children in school
Sat Nov 10, 2012 17:40 EST
This is what they told the kids. "This will only hurt at first, now just bend over and remember, this is out little secret."

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Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#12771 Jan 9, 2013
That's what you tell all the little girls under ten years of age isn't it?

Sick pervert.
Joe Balls wrote:
<quoted text> This is what they told the kids. "This will only hurt at first, now just bend over and remember, this is out little secret."

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#12773 Jan 9, 2013
Before the 21st Century, marriage has always been gender diverse; the law has always described marriage as gender integration. Now we have gender segregation marriage. In that sense; same sex marriage is like racism.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#12775 Jan 9, 2013
Yes, same sex marriage is like racism because it sanctions segregating the integrated relationship of marriage.

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#12776 Jan 9, 2013
The Rev. Jesse Jackson, speaking in opposition to California's Proposition 8, said, "To those that believe in and fought for civil rights, that marched to end discrimination and win equality, you must not become that which you hated.... Those that support civil and human rights cannot, must not, become perpetrators of discrimination against others based upon race, religion, culture, sexual orientation."
In 2009, Julian Bond wrote, "Black people, of all people, should not oppose equality. And that is what gay marriage represents.... No people of good will should oppose marriage equality. And they should not think that civil unions are a substitute. At best, civil unions are separate but equal. And we all know separate is never equal."

John Lewis, testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the Defense of Marriage Act, remarked, "I am very happy to see the Judiciary Committee holding hearings to address the issue of marriage equality. But at the same time, I must admit I find it unbelievable that in the year 2011 there is still a need to hold hearings and debate whether or not a human being should be able to marry the one they love."

Rev. Dr. William Barber II, North Carolina NAACP chairman, declared, "They're trying to give people, based on their sexuality, a kind of second- or third-class citizenship. We know what that looks like in the NAACP, and we're calling it what it is."

The Rev. Al Sharpton, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, South African President Nelson Mandela, the Rev. Dr. James Lawson, National NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous - a veritable Who's Who of civil rights - all support marriage equality.

Julian Bond, who testified, "When I'm asked if gay rights are civil rights, my answer is always:'Of course they are.' Civil rights are positive legal prerogatives, the right to equal treatment before the law.... There's no one in the United States who does not, or should not, share in enjoying these rights."

http://www.thepilot.com/news/2012/mar/18/yes-...

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Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#12779 Jan 9, 2013
Nice rant, facts, well not so much.

But we don't expect better from the likes of you.
Brenda Lee Johnson wrote:
I guess it's just a consequence that every single organization Gay's have been affiliated with winds up in wide spread homosexual child molestation, all of them, ALL OF THEM!
Millions and millions! Big Brother, The Boy Scouts, thousands of cases in The Boy Scouts, youth camps,sporting programs and especially sporting programs,Sandusky, Bernie Fine are the most prominent and now Moose International, letsnot forget he Catholic Church where thousands of boys have been molested by homosexual pedophiles.
Then we take a look at other countries where homosexuality where laws and restrictions have been relaxed and what do we see?
Gays boycotting to have the age for anal sex with boys lower to 14 and even 13. No, Gays are not pedophiles.The one thing I think we have demonstrated is what deceptive liars Gays are, The true bastions of evil.
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Brenda Lee Johnson

Burbank, CA

#12781 Jan 9, 2013
You dodged every question asked,ignored the consequences and replied with babble. In order for marriage to be segregated it would have to be refined! But refined as what? Who decides?

I had thought you were objective but you are nothing of the sort. You seem big on the Pro-Homosexual talking points.

Gays have nothing in common with black civil rights. It takes a dam fool to try and make such of a twisted comparison.
Brian_G wrote:
Yes, same sex marriage is like racism because it sanctions segregating the integrated relationship of marriage.
The Lone Gunmen

United States

#12782 Jan 9, 2013
Yes, tell us how black people integrating with white people leads to disease. Are Gay people discriminated against if no one knows their Gay? Black People can't hide their color!
Brian_G wrote:
Yes, same sex marriage is like racism because it sanctions segregating the integrated relationship of marriage.

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#12787 Jan 10, 2013
"At times throughout history, same-sex relationships have enjoyed relative freedom within their respective places.

Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom. Meanwhile, accounts of the Israelites' departure for Canaan include their condemnation of Egyptian acceptance of same-sex practice. In actuality, same-sex marital practices and rituals are less known in Egypt compared to Mesopotamia, where documents exist for a variety of marital practices, including male lovers of kings and polyandry. None of the recorded laws of Mesopotamia, including the Code of Hammurabi, contain restrictions against same-sex unions despite the fact that marriages are otherwise well regulated. "
http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-m...

A book by the Dominican missionary and Prior, Jacques Goar (1601-1653), includes same sex ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek Orthodox prayer books,“Euchologion Sive Rituale Graecorum Complectens Ritus Et Ordines Divinae Liturgiae”(Paris, 1667).

Another book by Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th and early 13th centuries.

"Historical evidence, including legal documents and gravesites, can be interpreted as supporting the prevalence of homosexual relationships hundreds of years ago, said Allan Tulchin of Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania.

Gay Marriage Is As Old As History www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Marriage.html

Joe Balls

Since: May 11

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#12788 Jan 10, 2013
99.9% of the world's population have other things to worry about, and doesn't care if you live or die, get married, are beaten to death, catch AIDS, or live happily ever after. They just don't like you constantly whining about it all day, every day.
Blair

Santa Clara, CA

#12789 Jan 10, 2013
That link is to a far left Pro-Homosexual website which is supported by homosexuals! That's about one step below UC/DAVIS
Not Yet Equal wrote:
"At times throughout history, same-sex relationships have enjoyed relative freedom within their respective places.
Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom. Meanwhile, accounts of the Israelites' departure for Canaan include their condemnation of Egyptian acceptance of same-sex practice. In actuality, same-sex marital practices and rituals are less known in Egypt compared to Mesopotamia, where documents exist for a variety of marital practices, including male lovers of kings and polyandry. None of the recorded laws of Mesopotamia, including the Code of Hammurabi, contain restrictions against same-sex unions despite the fact that marriages are otherwise well regulated. "
http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-m...
A book by the Dominican missionary and Prior, Jacques Goar (1601-1653), includes same sex ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek Orthodox prayer books,“Euchologion Sive Rituale Graecorum Complectens Ritus Et Ordines Divinae Liturgiae”(Paris, 1667).
Another book by Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th and early 13th centuries.
"Historical evidence, including legal documents and gravesites, can be interpreted as supporting the prevalence of homosexual relationships hundreds of years ago, said Allan Tulchin of Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania.
Gay Marriage Is As Old As History www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Marriage.html
Nevada Smith

Las Vegas, NV

#12790 Jan 10, 2013
DEFENDING INNOCENCE

Grooming kids in a 'gay' identity

Published: 07/15/2012 at 2:39 PM

Yet we have turned a blind eye to the same betrayal happening every day to thousands of children in our schools and communities. We should be outraged at the routine “grooming” of children in our schools to become victims of homosexual pedophilia. How are our kids being blithely set up to accept victimization when it happens?

It happens by calling it something other than what it is and by tying it up in a bow and putting a happy, rainbow face on it. The “nice” name for this horrifying manipulation is “tolerance.” Now, even grade-school children are learning that only hateful people object when any elementary-schooler, middle-schooler or high-school student adopts a “gay” identity.

And, here’s the seldom-examined corollary: The activists pushing this give many unchallenged messages to these kids, both in schools and outside, that they not only may, but they have a right to “choose” a same-sex partner of any age. With no fear of pregnancy, this faux “consent” offer can be extended to younger and younger kids.

So, the engraved invitation has been sent to untold numbers of pedophiles and pederasts. School “non-discrimination” policies on “sexual orientation” keep that door open and all protectors of children at arm’s length. The National Education Association has numerous policies supporting the “safe”(read: unchallenged) expression of homosexual behavior by children in schools. These are often pushed by its “GLBT” Teachers’ Caucus.

Schools feel the increasing presence, whether they like it or not, of advocacy groups like the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, or GLSEN, and the Human Rights Campaign. The newest campaigns of both these groups is to reach elementary students. If we cooperate, it’s easy for some children to become targets.

Adults may approach them, and they won’t realize it’s not only outrageous, but illegal. It may be a coach or assistant coach. It may be the college student who was the invited speaker at your school’s “gay-straight alliance” meeting. It may be a 24 year old you met as a 12 year old when your school’s homosexual club marched in the town’s pride parade, carrying the school banner to support “LGBT” youth.

No one will draw boundaries that used to be clear. Why? New regulatory permission has been accepted by those who have bought the lie that people are born this way. There’s also fear of the real possibility of being labeled a “homophobe” or much worse: receiving death threats, losing one’s job and being put on an official enemies’ list by the Southern Poverty Law Center or others.(All these things now happen routinely.) The straight, male dads, granddads and protectors of our youth have been lulled into submission by a vicious and unaccountable “gay” lobby with a track record of tearing the personal lives of opponents apart.

The aggressors have leftist judges on their side, a complicit media, Hollywood, the teachers’ unions, even the federal Department of Education under its misleading “anti-bullying” programs. Those who point to the pro-homosexual nature of these recommendations are falsely impugned as being “pro-bullying.”

And, of course, there’s Barack Obama, who appointed Kevin Jennings, founder of GLSEN, to a high position in the Department of Education. Jennings left last year, but his deceptive legacy continues. Also, the pedophile lobby is trying to establish credibility and its own “rights” campaign, including the delusion that children are not necessarily harmed by adult sexual contact.

It goes beyond schools. The Boy Scouts have stood firmly to keep open homosexuals from becoming leaders, to minimize the chances of this happening, although it now has one board member pressuring the group to drop this protection. The Girl Scouts are not so kind. They are active proponents of “LGBT” identity politics and allow open homosexuals to lead local girl groups.
Nevada Smith

Las Vegas, NV

#12791 Jan 10, 2013
And we complain about Penn State? The unreported molestations facilitated daily by the “gay” lobby’s insistence on access to children must surely dwarf anything done by Jerry Sandusky, horrific as his actions were.

One of the most troubling and unchallenged trends is the growing number of community-based “gay” groups for youth. Virtually every large town has at least one now, and they pride themselves on “confidential” services. This means parent-free access to kids as young as 11 or 12, who are allowed to socialize with older youth and adult homosexuals and then leave the premises to continue whatever grooming activity took place on site.

One former attendee has publicized what went on at his group in Maine, including predatory behavior by adults. Now, five years later, this young man wants to recant his story and is even suing one brave pro-family leader, Brian Camenker, who refuses to take the previously offered testimony down from the Mass Resistance website. Why? Because it’s critical to get the truth about these centers out to the public.

Over the years, I have heard tales of sex between kids in the restrooms, drug use and, of course, access to porn on computers. There are also accounts of teen-adult “hook-ups” in some nonfiction books published for “gay” youth.

Yet many of these centers are the off-site gathering places for local middle- and high-school “gay-straight alliance” kids and sometimes receive funding from reputable groups like the United Way and Kiwanis.

As bad as heterosexual molestation is, it isn’t being packaged as the natural outgrowth of a “right,” an element of “social justice.” Same-sex molestation has always been easier to facilitate in venues for children, since children and adults of the same sex do sometimes use the same restrooms, go on camp outs and – as we saw with Sandusky – shower in the same facilities. Access is easier, and the blind eye we are turning due to the repositioning of truth by the “gay” lobby is making the risk greater than ever.

What’s the answer? Recapture our once clear sense of judgment about the immorality of all homosexual behavior and stop promoting sexual activity to kids, period. Until we do that, we will continue to have school-enabled, adult-ignored homosexual seduction and the despair it is producing in vulnerable, precious kids every single day in America.

If we fail to act, we are all Graham Spaniers now.
Cool Hand Luke

Bangkok, Thailand

#12792 Jan 10, 2013
Thanks for the info!
Nevada Smith wrote:
And we complain about Penn State? The unreported molestations facilitated daily by the “gay” lobby’s insistence on access to children must surely dwarf anything done by Jerry Sandusky, horrific as his actions were.
One of the most troubling and unchallenged trends is the growing number of community-based “gay” groups for youth. Virtually every large town has at least one now, and they pride themselves on “confidential” services. This means parent-free access to kids as young as 11 or 12, who are allowed to socialize with older youth and adult homosexuals and then leave the premises to continue whatever grooming activity took place on site.
One former attendee has publicized what went on at his group in Maine, including predatory behavior by adults. Now, five years later, this young man wants to recant his story and is even suing one brave pro-family leader, Brian Camenker, who refuses to take the previously offered testimony down from the Mass Resistance website. Why? Because it’s critical to get the truth about these centers out to the public.
Over the years, I have heard tales of sex between kids in the restrooms, drug use and, of course, access to porn on computers. There are also accounts of teen-adult “hook-ups” in some nonfiction books published for “gay” youth.
Yet many of these centers are the off-site gathering places for local middle- and high-school “gay-straight alliance” kids and sometimes receive funding from reputable groups like the United Way and Kiwanis.
As bad as heterosexual molestation is, it isn’t being packaged as the natural outgrowth of a “right,” an element of “social justice.” Same-sex molestation has always been easier to facilitate in venues for children, since children and adults of the same sex do sometimes use the same restrooms, go on camp outs and – as we saw with Sandusky – shower in the same facilities. Access is easier, and the blind eye we are turning due to the repositioning of truth by the “gay” lobby is making the risk greater than ever.
What’s the answer? Recapture our once clear sense of judgment about the immorality of all homosexual behavior and stop promoting sexual activity to kids, period. Until we do that, we will continue to have school-enabled, adult-ignored homosexual seduction and the despair it is producing in vulnerable, precious kids every single day in America.
If we fail to act, we are all Graham Spaniers now.

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