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There are 405 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Feb 27, 2013, titled Audience urges board to 'stop the indifference:" Chambersburg school.... In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

UPDATED: CHAMBERSBURG -- Nine Chambersburg Area school board members were told that gay, lesbian and transgender teens are three times more likely to kill themselves than their peers, and that the same students feel more disenfranchised and bullied than any other group.

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Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#146 Mar 21, 2013
against the flow wrote:
The truth is that 100 years from now, either in this world or the world to come, history will record that those who conformed their beliefs to the culture were nothing more than a passing curiosity, while those who refused to compromise truth will be regarded as the spiritual heroes and torchbearers.
Of course, the real truth is that the Bible doesn't say a word about loving, committed same-sex relationships. Any condemnation there is for abusive and coercive homosexual practices - excess lust, gang rape or “unnatural” acts committed by heterosexual men.

The truth is that 100 years from now, Christians are going to look back at using the Bible to justify bigotry and discrimination against LGBT folks with the same shame as we look back at Christians using the Bible to justify slavery and the subjugation of women.

Gay marriage is a human rights and human dignity issue. And the Bible is never - NEVER - on the side of those seeking to oppress a minority group.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#147 Mar 21, 2013
against the flow wrote:
Last year, speaking at a church gathering in California, Bell stated his belief that you could be a practicing homosexual and a follower of Jesus at the same time,
Can you be a practicing gossip and a follower of Jesus at the same time?

Can you practice lust and be a follower of Jesus at the same time?

Can you practice greed and be a follower of Jesus at the same time?

Can you practice judgmentalism and be a follower of Jesus at the same time?

Can you be a practicing hypocrite and a follower of Jesus at the same time?

Of course you can! If you couldn't, there wouldn't be a single follower of Jesus on the planet.

Even if you believe homosexuality is a sin (which it is not), carving it out from all other sins for unique condemnation is, itself, deeply sinful.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#148 Mar 21, 2013
Jesus never spoke once on the issue of homosexuality - so why do so many gay marriage opponents invoke the word of Jesus when justifying its intolerance?

This Michael Brown is such a phony. Making an intellectual argument using religious criteria is the very definition of oxymoron.

If "the sanctity of marriage" (perhaps the most overused and annoying phrase of the entire debate) is a religious issue, then why are atheists allowed to marry? And why stop there, shouldn't all non-Christians be denied the right to marry?
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#149 Mar 21, 2013
New Testament
Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, but He did condemn all forms of sexual immorality:

What comes out of you is what defiles you. For from within, out of your hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile you.(TNIV, Mark 7:20-23)

And He answered and said to them,“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’“and said,‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’”(Matt. 19:4.)

22 ‘aYou shall not lie with a male as 1one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

13 ‘aIf there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

9 Or ado you not know that the unrighteous will not binherit the kingdom of God? cDo not be deceived; dneither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor 1effeminate, nor homosexuals,

10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

26 For this reason aGod gave them over to bdegrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is 1unnatural,

27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, amen with men committing 1indecent acts and receiving in 2their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit 1to acknowledge God any longer, aGod gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

It seems pretty clear that homosexuality was not something that god wanted people to do just like many other sins. I'm not saying gays should be treated any less or more then anyone else or be the subject of bigots, homophobes or people trying to explan their political agenda. I do not agree with gay marriage although in the future It will probably come anyways. Less then 1% of the popluation is gay, this is the hot topic for the moment but I have no doubt that there will be something else in the leftist agenda that will be just as big of a sin, I bet it will probably beastiality related, anything to deminish prayer or worship of god.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#150 Mar 21, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
It seems pretty clear that homosexuality was not something that god wanted people to do just like many other sins. I'm not saying gays should be treated any less or more then anyone else or be the subject of bigots, homophobes or people trying to explan their political agenda. I do not agree with gay marriage although in the future It will probably come anyways.
It seems pretty clear that you are using the Bible to label something as sin that the Bible itself never does. There is not a single condemnation of loving, committed same-sex relationships in the Bible.

And for the record - disagreeing with gay marriage is "treating gays less than anyone else." First you say you don't support that, then you give an example of how you actually DO support that. I think there's a term for that. LOL!

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#151 Mar 21, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
Less then 1% of the popluation is gay, this is the hot topic for the moment but I have no doubt that there will be something else in the leftist agenda that will be just as big of a sin, I bet it will probably beastiality related, anything to deminish prayer or worship of god.
It is closer to 5-10%.

The rest of this is just pure bullshit and hatred. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#152 Mar 21, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
New Testament
Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, but He did condemn all forms of sexual immorality:
What comes out of you is what defiles you. For from within, out of your hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile you.(TNIV, Mark 7:20-23)
And He answered and said to them,“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’“and said,‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’”(Matt. 19:4.)
22 ‘aYou shall not lie with a male as 1one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
13 ‘aIf there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
9 Or ado you not know that the unrighteous will not binherit the kingdom of God? cDo not be deceived; dneither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor 1effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
26 For this reason aGod gave them over to bdegrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is 1unnatural,
27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, amen with men committing 1indecent acts and receiving in 2their own persons the due penalty of their error.
28 And just as they did not see fit 1to acknowledge God any longer, aGod gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
It seems pretty clear that homosexuality was not something that god wanted people to do just like many other sins. I'm not saying gays should be treated any less or more then anyone else or be the subject of bigots, homophobes or people trying to explan their political agenda. I do not agree with gay marriage although in the future It will probably come anyways. Less then 1% of the popluation is gay, this is the hot topic for the moment but I have no doubt that there will be something else in the leftist agenda that will be just as big of a sin, I bet it will probably beastiality related, anything to deminish prayer or worship of god.
Those verses describe the psysiological characteristics of straight people
.
The verses that describe the psysiological characteristics of gay people are found here:
.
++++++++++
Matthew 19:9> "And I say vnto you, Whosoeuer shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away, doth commit adultery."
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Matthew 19:10> ¶ His disciples say vnto him, "If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marrie."
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Matthew 19:11> But hee said vnto them, "All men cannot receiue this saying, saue they to whom it is giuen."
.
Matthew 19:12> "For there are some Eunuches, which were so borne from their mothers wombe: and there are some Eunuches, which were made Eunuches of men: and there be Eunuches, which haue made themselues Eunuches for the kingdome of heauens sake. He that is able to receiue it, let him receiue it."
++++++++++
http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#153 Mar 21, 2013
MJ Bethel wrote:
jtb, I know you mean no disrespect, but would you PLEASE spell Bible with a capital B?
No. We wrote The Book; and these are the rules:
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Only people who practice Love Christianity read a Bible with a Capital 'B'; The Authorized King James Bible
http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012...
.
People who practice hate christianity get lower-case 'b's because their copyrighted bibles are fakes

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#154 Mar 22, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
It is closer to 5-10%.
The rest of this is just pure bullshit and hatred. You should be ashamed of yourself.
It's actually impossible to tell. People may have a same-sex attraction, but not self identify as LGB. Does that make them gay? It's not an on/off switch, Kinsey was right to presume there were varying degrees of sexual orientation. That has to be correct, just look at the outrageously long list of conservative politicians and church leaders who have been caught engaging in homosexual behavior. And that's only those that have been caught.

Also, there are still enough social stigmas that many LGB Americans are not willing to admit that they are yet. That goes straight back to the bullying and parental disowning. I personally know several people who are closet homosexuals and they do not come out because this is a conservative area and they're concerned about how their work colleagues and family would feel. That's effin' sad.

The number of Americans who self identify as LGB goes up every year - that's not because there are more gay people, it's because finally society is started to end the discrimination. It's too bad we can't say the same for most of you.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#155 Mar 22, 2013
First grade teacher and volunteer youth leader Caleb Douglas Hesse has been a longtime anti-gay activist and even donated to Prop 8 in California to ban gay marriage. In August 2012, he confessed to sexually abusing "numerous underage boys," usually during overnight trips with the Evangelical Free Church youth group in Yucca Valley, CA.

George Rekers, a man who helped start one of the most powerful anti-gay lobbying groups in the US during the 80s and has written published papers such as "Growing Up Straight: What Families Should Know About Homosexuality", had a recent surgery so during a lecture tour and was unable to lift his own luggage, so he hired some help -- which is perfectly reasonable. Where did he go to get this help? Rentboy.com , baby. He found Lucien, whose profile bragged about his "smooth, sweet, tight ass" and "perfectly built..." well, you get the idea. His profile also said that he'd be "up for anything" as long as the person paid... which Rekers was MORE than happy to do. A few months later, Lucien admitted to having sex with George Rekers.

Georgia Pastor Eddie Long, a Baptist and famed televangelist in his area. In 2004, he led a march to Dr. Martin Luther King's grave in the name of defining marriage as between a man and a woman. He has also been quoted as saying that his church can "deliver" people from homosexuality. He is currently being sued by four young men (ages 21, 20, 23 and 22) for using his fame and influence to coerce them into sexual relationships. The pastor of New Birth Missionary (*snicker*) Baptist Church, Eddie Long used his influence to take the boys places such as Kenya, paid for their hotel rooms and gave them gifts such as cars, cash and jewelry in exchange for mutual masturbation, oral sex and sensual massaging.

Known for his vocal opposition to gay rights and for his attempt to outlaw sex toys, Alabama Attorney General Troy King was caught by his wife while having sex with a local homecoming King from -ironically- Troy University.

Richard Curtis, a Washington State Representative has an anti-gay rights voting record--he voted against domestic partnerships for gays and opposed a bill prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation. It wasn't before long that he resigned from the House due to reports of his sexual encounter with a male escort being made public. The reputed male prostitute, Cody Castagna, with whom he was cavorting, told police that Curtis offered him $1,000 to have sex with him and that Curtis purchased two gay pornographic films from the hotel for them to watch in his room. Even more, this all went down with Curtis wearing a red negligee and Castagna has pictures to prove it. Pictures he only took as revenge when it was discovered that Curtis only had $200 in his wallet.

Known as Pastor Ted to his congregation at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, Ted Haggard was outed by prostitute, and professional masseur, Mike Jones in November 2006 for paying him to engage in sex with him for three years. He was also purchasing, then using, crystal methamphetamine with his pay-for-play partner. Haggard had supported Colorado Amendment 43, which bans same-sex marriage in the state. In his own words, he's not a homosexual, he's just a "heterosexual with issues." You know how it is, the devil made him do it.

I could keep going, there are dozens, but you get the point.
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#156 Mar 22, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
It seems pretty clear that you are using the Bible to label something as sin that the Bible itself never does. There is not a single condemnation of loving, committed same-sex relationships in the Bible.
And for the record - disagreeing with gay marriage is "treating gays less than anyone else." First you say you don't support that, then you give an example of how you actually DO support that. I think there's a term for that. LOL!
Disagreeing with someone because of their chosen lifestyle doesn't make you a racist or a bigot. It’s a sin and God says it is. Everyone knows it is, even those like you who commit the sin. So, blow it out your ass idiot. I couldn’t care any less about your racist and bigoted remarks.
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#157 Mar 22, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
It is closer to 5-10%.
The rest of this is just pure bullshit and hatred. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Gay Population In U.S. Estimated At 4 Million, Gary Gates Says

"One of the major questions, when you think about how many (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) people are there, is what do you mean by LGBT?" he said. "This shows there are pretty big differences between people who use the terms to label themselves versus sexual behavior or attraction."

Gates found, for example, that another 1.8 percent of the adult population, or a little more than 4 million Americans, identifies as bisexual, according to his research brief published Thursday by the Williams Institute.

He also estimated that 19 million people, or 8.2 percent of the population, have engaged in sex with a partner of the same sex. That includes all groups, such as gays, bisexuals and heterosexuals who have experimented with same-sex behavior.

Another two studies, conducted by state agencies in California and Massachusetts, yielded what Gates thinks is the first credible estimate of the nation's transgender population. He puts it at about 700,000 adults, or 0.3 percent of the population

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/07/gay-...

Keep lying to people eventually someone will believe you.
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#158 Mar 22, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Those verses describe the psysiological characteristics of straight people
.
The verses that describe the psysiological characteristics of gay people are found here:
.
++++++++++
Matthew 19:9> "And I say vnto you, Whosoeuer shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away, doth commit adultery."
.
Matthew 19:10> ¶ His disciples say vnto him, "If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marrie."
.
Matthew 19:11> But hee said vnto them, "All men cannot receiue this saying, saue they to whom it is giuen."
.
Matthew 19:12> "For there are some Eunuches, which were so borne from their mothers wombe: and there are some Eunuches, which were made Eunuches of men: and there be Eunuches, which haue made themselues Eunuches for the kingdome of heauens sake. He that is able to receiue it, let him receiue it."
++++++++++
http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Leviticus 18:22

You're wrong. Homosexual behavior is not something new it's been around for centuries and God specifically denounce it. Just because you don't like what God has to say about it, doesn't change the fact. It's a sin just as stealing and adultery is. You can still love the sinner and deplore the sin. Atheist and Liberals (Usually the same but not always) cannot understand this, they cannot separate this in their mind so, they twist this into bigotry and hate because people do not accept a gay lifestyle as something that is not a sin. They typically attack religion (Christians or Catholicism) to justify their continued participation of homosexual behavior, or try to look for holes in God’s word to justify homosexuality. It all comes down to faith IMHO, no matter the denomination.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#159 Mar 22, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
<quoted text>
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Leviticus 18:22
You're wrong. Homosexual behavior is not something new it's been around for centuries and God specifically denounce it. Just because you don't like what God has to say about it, doesn't change the fact. It's a sin just as stealing and adultery is. You can still love the sinner and deplore the sin. Atheist and Liberals (Usually the same but not always) cannot understand this, they cannot separate this in their mind so, they twist this into bigotry and hate because people do not accept a gay lifestyle as something that is not a sin. They typically attack religion (Christians or Catholicism) to justify their continued participation of homosexual behavior, or try to look for holes in God’s word to justify homosexuality. It all comes down to faith IMHO, no matter the denomination.
The Mosaic/Levitical/Deuteronomic code is corrupt, and includes purely human legislations. The accounts record Yeshua saying so ... Explicitly. The prophets also made significant modifications and clarification of the proper emphases of the texts.

It is also important to remember that those "laws" were actually contractual conditions which apply to the Children of Israel.
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#160 Mar 22, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
No. We wrote The Book; and these are the rules:
.
Only people who practice Love Christianity read a Bible with a Capital 'B'; The Authorized King James Bible
http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012...
.
People who practice hate christianity get lower-case 'b's because their copyrighted bibles are fakes
Your link is to someone’s web site saying that King James is gay. What would it matter if he were? It doesn't. God has used many to spread his word; it has never mattered if that person were a thief, murderer, rapist, or gay. So your attempt to discredit someone for being gay would never matter in Gods eyes.
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#161 Mar 22, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
The Mosaic/Levitical/Deuteronomic code is corrupt, and includes purely human legislations. The accounts record Yeshua saying so ... Explicitly. The prophets also made significant modifications and clarification of the proper emphases of the texts.
It is also important to remember that those "laws" were actually contractual conditions which apply to the Children of Israel.
Very old argument and God has spoken very clearly against it as well. It is in the old and new but I’ll cite it anyways.
Romans 1:24-27
Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for [a]a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed [b]forever. Amen.
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is [c]unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing [d]indecent acts and receiving in [e]their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Romans 1: 24-28; I Corinthians 6: 9-11
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
I Corinthians 6: 9-11

I'll bet you didn't know that.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#162 Mar 22, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
<quoted text>
Disagreeing with someone because of their chosen lifestyle doesn't make you a racist or a bigot. It’s a sin and God says it is. Everyone knows it is, even those like you who commit the sin. So, blow it out your ass idiot. I couldn’t care any less about your racist and bigoted remarks.
You aren't "disagreeing with a lifestyle." You are making vile attacks on peoples' personhood - calling their very identity immoral and comparing it to bestiality. That is bigotry whether you want to admit it or not.

And there is not a single word in the Bible the condemns healthy, committed same-sex relationships. You are simply wrong when you claim God says it's a sin.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#163 Mar 22, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay Population In U.S. Estimated At 4 Million, Gary Gates Says
"One of the major questions, when you think about how many (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) people are there, is what do you mean by LGBT?" he said. "This shows there are pretty big differences between people who use the terms to label themselves versus sexual behavior or attraction."
Gates found, for example, that another 1.8 percent of the adult population, or a little more than 4 million Americans, identifies as bisexual, according to his research brief published Thursday by the Williams Institute.
He also estimated that 19 million people, or 8.2 percent of the population, have engaged in sex with a partner of the same sex. That includes all groups, such as gays, bisexuals and heterosexuals who have experimented with same-sex behavior.
Another two studies, conducted by state agencies in California and Massachusetts, yielded what Gates thinks is the first credible estimate of the nation's transgender population. He puts it at about 700,000 adults, or 0.3 percent of the population
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/07/gay-...
Keep lying to people eventually someone will believe you.
As you like to say - blow it out your ass idiot. Estimates vary and mine is as sound as yours.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#164 Mar 22, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
<quoted text>
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Leviticus 18:22
You're wrong. Homosexual behavior is not something new it's been around for centuries and God specifically denounce it. Just because you don't like what God has to say about it, doesn't change the fact. It's a sin just as stealing and adultery is. You can still love the sinner and deplore the sin. Atheist and Liberals (Usually the same but not always) cannot understand this, they cannot separate this in their mind so, they twist this into bigotry and hate because people do not accept a gay lifestyle as something that is not a sin. They typically attack religion (Christians or Catholicism) to justify their continued participation of homosexual behavior, or try to look for holes in God’s word to justify homosexuality. It all comes down to faith IMHO, no matter the denomination.
Keep lying to people eventually someone will believe you.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#165 Mar 22, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
<quoted text>
Very old argument and God has spoken very clearly against it as well. It is in the old and new but I’ll cite it anyways.
Romans 1:24-27
Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for [a]a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed [b]forever. Amen.
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is [c]unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing [d]indecent acts and receiving in [e]their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Romans 1: 24-28; I Corinthians 6: 9-11
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
I Corinthians 6: 9-11
I'll bet you didn't know that.
Sorry, but you're juvenile understanding is wrong. You're allowing your preexisting anti-gay bigotry to distort what is actually being said in the Bible.

Romans 1: 24-27 - In context of a chapter talking about injustice, degrading passions and sexual obsessiveness, Paul forbids Christians from engaging in the abusive, unrestrained sexual practices of pagans. There's nothing here that intrinsically forbids same sex practices within a committed, loving relationship.

I Corinthians 6: 9-11 - In a chapter chastising the Christians for taking their legal issues to pagan judges, Paul provides a list of vices that tend toward violations of justice in describing why the pagan judges aren't fit to judge God's people. These are not violations of rules governing sexual conduct for those otherwise living just lives, but a description of pagan practices that involve exploitation and injustice.

Nowhere in the Bible is there any condemnation of loving, healthy, committed same-sex relationships.

Nowhere.

Every mention of homosexuality in the Bible refers to excess lust, gang rape or “unnatural” acts committed by heterosexual men.

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