Audience urges board to 'stop the indifference:" Chambersburg school...

Feb 27, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Chambersburg Public Opinion

UPDATED: CHAMBERSBURG -- Nine Chambersburg Area school board members were told that gay, lesbian and transgender teens are three times more likely to kill themselves than their peers, and that the same students feel more disenfranchised and bullied than any other group.

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<quoted text>No? Really??? It took you this long to deduce that? OYG. Sweetie, Paul being a widower would mean that he had to have had been married at some point in order to become widowed. Jesus save us from some of your Christians, it's all too clear that they know not what they do. Look at this one.
And im still looking for the famous preacher theologian who agrees with you and dan the man child.

Why not just admit it, you know what the bible says and you don't care. You want to believe what you want and nothing in the bible will change that. At least be honest about it instead of trying to force interpretations that couldn't stand up against any elementary study of scripture.
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jtb, I know you mean no disrespect, but would you PLEASE spell Bible with a capital B?

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And im still looking for the famous preacher theologian who agrees with you and dan the man child.
Why not just admit it, you know what the bible says and you don't care. You want to believe what you want and nothing in the bible will change that. At least be honest about it instead of trying to force interpretations that couldn't stand up against any elementary study of scripture.
Buttercup, I'm well aware of what the Bible says, it's what I've been trying to explain to you for the last couple of days. You're quite under qualified in being able to refute anything I've said and so you offer blind and clearly misinformed zealotry as a response. You are free to choose to believe the Bible says whatever you want it to, sweetie. I'm just here to correct malinformation.
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Screw the theological debate on homosexuality. This board made a decision that won't hold up in court and I'll be pissed as hell if they spend tax money to defend it and lose. Does anyone remember 'stop exit seven?"

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Buttercup, I'm well aware of what the Bible says, it's what I've been trying to explain to you for the last couple of days. You're quite under qualified in being able to refute anything I've said and so you offer blind and clearly misinformed zealotry as a response. You are free to choose to believe the Bible says whatever you want it to, sweetie. I'm just here to correct malinformation.
I'm still waiting for the Bible reference you say is there.

Adultery and fornication are sins. But God blessed marriage and Jesus went to the wedding at Cana.

But otherwise yes people are to keep their legs together as you say.

But no, all sex is not sin and i'd like to see the reference for that. I suspect you may be dan the man child in drag with this distorted home made version of scripture.

And i'd like to know which famous preacher teacher theologian believes as you.

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And im still looking for the famous preacher theologian who agrees with you and dan the man child.
Why not just admit it, you know what the bible says and you don't care. You want to believe what you want and nothing in the bible will change that. At least be honest about it instead of trying to force interpretations that couldn't stand up against any elementary study of scripture.
350 years ago the hypocrite would have claimed that the earth was the center of the universe using the Bible as his infallible source and would have called for Galileo's execution with just as much moral certitude as he's currently condemning homosexuals now.

And countless Christians would have agreed with him, including "famous preachers and theologians."

150 years ago the hypocrite would have defended slavery with just as much moral certitude and passion, claiming the Bible as his source of that certainty, just as he's condemning homosexuality now.

And countless Christians would have agreed with him, including "famous preachers and theologians."

50 years ago the hypocrite would have defended second-class status for women and their submission to male authority with just as much moral certitude and passion, claiming the Bible as his source of that certainty, just as he's condemning homosexuality now.

And countless Christians would have agreed with him, including "famous preachers and theologians."

He would have been wrong then and he is wrong now.

Just because a lot of Christians believe the Bible says something does not mean that's what the Bible really says. Particularly when they are using it to discriminate against and oppress a certain class of people.

This is a human rights and human dignity issue. The Bible is never - NEVER - on the side of those seeking to oppress a minority group.

Never.

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I'm still waiting for the Bible reference you say is there.
Adultery and fornication are sins. But God blessed marriage and Jesus went to the wedding at Cana.
But otherwise yes people are to keep their legs together as you say.
But no, all sex is not sin and i'd like to see the reference for that. I suspect you may be dan the man child in drag with this distorted home made version of scripture.
And i'd like to know which famous preacher teacher theologian believes as you.
For the first 15 centuries. plus or minus a few decades, marriage was NOT a required sacrament of the Western Christian/Catholic Church and the vast majority of marriage ceremonies were performed by civil officials. What they required of the faithful was the Church's blessing to betroth and to consummate your relationship, for strictly procreative purposes. If you're of Protestant stock, the idea that the Church should be requiring marriages to be blessed by them, was one of the bad ideas by the Catholic Church that gave Protestantism its start.

Paul made it clear that celibacy is the Christian's highest calling and that theme has given us Catholic fathers and mothers, sisters and brothers, all keeping their legs crossed for Christ. It's not just the Catholics, almost ALL Christian denominations seem to have hang ups about sex and they pretty much always have.

Y'all Christians like to speak of your faith as if it were a single train of thought that can be easily followed all the way back to the writers of the Bible. It never happened that way and if any one is telling you different, they are fibbing.
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<quoted text>For the first 15 centuries. plus or minus a few decades, marriage was NOT a required sacrament of the Western Christian/Catholic Church and the vast majority of marriage ceremonies were performed by civil officials. What they required of the faithful was the Church's blessing to betroth and to consummate your relationship, for strictly procreative purposes. If you're of Protestant stock, the idea that the Church should be requiring marriages to be blessed by them, was one of the bad ideas by the Catholic Church that gave Protestantism its start.
Paul made it clear that celibacy is the Christian's highest calling and that theme has given us Catholic fathers and mothers, sisters and brothers, all keeping their legs crossed for Christ. It's not just the Catholics, almost ALL Christian denominations seem to have hang ups about sex and they pretty much always have.
Y'all Christians like to speak of your faith as if it were a single train of thought that can be easily followed all the way back to the writers of the Bible. It never happened that way and if any one is telling you different, they are fibbing.
How's Auntie Em, Dorothy, and Toto doing?
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Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Calm down, Jim. Let's try to keep the debate on the issues. Do I need to remind you that I know who you are?
On revealing someone's identity

Posted Nov 27, 2012..by Effington on the Romney-Ryan thread, post # 1444
"I'm also quite sure my identity is known by visitors and/orposters (I truly appreciate their discretion)

Another post from Effington, The Dining Thread, Jan. 5, 2013
"I think that revealing someone's identity here is a hugh breach of ethics and civility, let alone an A hole thing to do"

Funny how this is not important when the left knows someone's identity from the right. But when it's their identity, they cry foul, not fair.
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I know who you are too, jtb. Your friends on MD would not think highly of your words and attitudes here.
Though if they would read this they would have a more complete picture of who you are.
Take my advice on the above post. Goes two ways you know.
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Effington wrote:
Jerry B., real name, no gimmicks (record scratch)
Two trailer park girls go round the outside, round the outside, round the outside
Guess who's back, back again
JB's back, tell a friend
Guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back... Da na na
Nothin' like a little gay bashing and Bible thumping to raise the dead, eh ol' buddy?
You of all people crying around about revealing someone's identity. I have two of your quotes above. post# 134. Apparently you only dislike someone's idenitiy being revealed when it's yours or another liberal. Yep, typical.....do as I say not as I do. Says Effington, the real hypocrite

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Honestly folks, this is a DISCUSSION BOARD with the topic of discussion being CASD's refusal to play nice with the rest of America!

Maybe you guys can get each others' telephone number and get together for a nice cuppa.

Maybe you should start a NEW thread so you "christians" (notice the small "c") can discretely bash each other.

I ain't seeing ANYTHING Christian-like (notice the large "C").

Most of you are presenting a stumbling block for others, some of which may have come to the Lord, except for your UN-Christianlike behavior.

Ya'll sound like a bunch of small minded, intolerant dicks.

Shame on you!

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<quoted text>You of all people crying around about revealing someone's identity. I have two of your quotes above. post# 134. Apparently you only dislike someone's idenitiy being revealed when it's yours or another liberal. Yep, typical.....do as I say not as I do. Says Effington, the real hypocrite
Whatever Motzart, that's not his name, I was making a joke. Duh.
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Whatever Motzart, that's not his name, I was making a joke. Duh.
It's Mozart.....not Motzart.
I wouldn't make jokes about a poster's name if I were you, especially when you can't spell a great composer's name. Duh.

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<quoted text>It's Mozart.....not Motzart.
I wouldn't make jokes about a poster's name if I were you, especially when you can't spell a great composer's name. Duh.
You're right, please accept my humble apologies. I was thinking of Mozart's Jewish cousin, Moisha Motzart. Oy, that guy was such a schlemeil!
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The hot news of the day in the Christian circles is "Pastor" Rob Bell's endorsement of homosexual marriage. This is not a new revelation from Bell. He has previsouly stated his belief in universalism, so we are not taken by surprise. However, one article paints a picture of Bell that few will probably even read, and it comes from an admitted homosexual.-

Touchstone Magazine recently published a blog from someone who struggles with homosexuality. In it the author of the piece talks about how Christians push them in a corner of a church so they don't have to "deal" with the issue.

"When the word “homosexual” is mentioned in the church, we hold our breaths and sit in fear. Most often this word is followed with condemnation, laughter, hatred, or jokes. Rarely do we hear any words of hope."

I think we Christians can admit we must do a better job of offering the hope of Jesus Christ, not only to homosexuals, but to the entire world. The next piece is somewhat surprisingly refreshing. The author goes on to challenge Bell and says he offers "no hope at all".

"To those of you who would change the church to accept the gay community and its lifestyle: you give us no hope at all. To those of us who know God’s word and will not dilute it to fit our desires, we ask you to read John’s letter to the church in Pergamum.“I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality. Likewise, you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. Repent therefore!” You are willing to compromise the word of God to be politically correct. We are not deceived."
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Although, Bell is not directly called out, his theology is. The truth is we have our weaknesses, but someone condoning them does not help us in our relationship with Jesus Christ. I admire the author for admitting her sin, and not accepting an excuse to continue in their sin. -
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In the midst of his announcement on Sunday that he now supports same-sex marriage, Rob Bell warned American evangelicals to “adapt or die.” His counsel, intended to be helpful, is actually a guaranteed formula for failure and a proven recipe for disaster. In fact, the only way for us to make a lasting impact on the culture and maintain a relevant witness to society is to do the opposite of what Bell advised.

Over the last few years Bell, a best-selling author and former megachurch pastor, has steadily distanced himself from the mainstream evangelical community. Known for asking provocative questions and challenging the status quo, he amassed a large following that has been drawn to his non-dogmatic approach—an approach I call a “celebration of ambiguity.”
To paraphrase this approach: Rather than the leader saying,“This is the way. It is proven and sure. Follow me,” the leader now says,“Who am I to know? How can anyone be sure? Isn’t it narrow and small-minded of us to be so inflexible and dogmatic?”
Somehow, young people in particular have rallied around this mindset, a mindset that has already lost its way before it even starts. Yet losing one’s way is celebrated, too:“The destination is not important,” we are told.“It’s the journey that matters!”
Personally, I would rather enjoy a terrible journey to heaven than a lovely journey to hell. Speaking of which, Bell’s 2011 New York Times best-seller Love Wins represented another departure from the evangelical mainstream. In the book, Bell suggested that, to a great extent, hell is here and now, and in the end, everybody will make it into God’s heavenly kingdom.

Last year, speaking at a church gathering in California, Bell stated his belief that you could be a practicing homosexual and a follower of Jesus at the same time, encouraging his listeners to take their focus off of gay-related issues and to look instead at the “truly big problems in our world; that I believe Jesus would [have] us to band together, and tackle together.”

In light of this, it was hardly a surprise when he announced on Sunday during a Q&A session:“I am for marriage. I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it’s a man and woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man. I think the ship has sailed and I think the church needs … this is the world we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are.”

Of course, Bell is right that, to an extent,“the ship has sailed,” and affirming same-sex “marriage” is now the politically “in” thing to do, as witnessed by the recent statements of former President Bill Clinton, Sen. Rob Portman and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
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But what in the world does that have to do with right and wrong? If society has lost its moral bearings, should the church lose its moral bearings as well? Shouldn’t we rather swim against the tide of popular opinion and call the world to turn around?

And since when do we drag down the teachings of Jesus, which were marked by divine authority and absoluteness, to meet the standard of “the world we are living in?” Aren’t we supposed to challenge the world to live up to the standards of the Lord?

Bell said on Sunday,“I think we are witnessing the death of a particular subculture that doesn’t work. I think there is a very narrow, politically intertwined, culturally ghettoized, evangelical subculture that was told,‘We’re gonna change the thing.’ and they haven’t. And they actually have turned away lots of people. And I think that when you’re in a part of a subculture that is dying, you make a lot more noise because it’s very painful. You sort of die or you adapt.”

Without a doubt, Bell is right that in many ways the evangelical church has fallen out of touch with the nation, and to the extent we can be culturally sensitive and “understand the times”(see 1 Chr. 12:32), we make an impact. On the other hand, Bell is completely wrong when he warns,“You sort of die or you adapt.”

In the days of the Maccabees, did the Jewish people survive the onslaught of Hellenism by adapting to paganism, with all its worldly appeal, or did they overcome by resisting at any cost, thereby demonstrating the power of their convictions? Did the early church survive the polytheism of Rome by bowing to the emperor, or did they overcome by refusing to compromise, even to the point of death, thereby pointing to a better life?

Remarkably, on Sunday, when the forum moderator tried to get Bell to take a firm position as to whether Christians ‘know’ the truth in some ultimate sense, Bell took the discussion in a completely different direction.

But that is the very heart of the problem. Bell’s celebration of ambiguity has become a dogmatism of uncertainty, and it is because of his lack of spiritual absolutes that he has wandered off the path, leading a generation in his wake.

The truth is that 100 years from now, either in this world or the world to come, history will record that those who conformed their beliefs to the culture were nothing more than a passing curiosity, while those who refused to compromise truth will be regarded as the spiritual heroes and torchbearers.

In the words of Charles Spurgeon,“Character is always lost when a high ideal is sacrificed on the altar of conformity and popularity.”

Michael Brown is the author of The Real Kosher Jesus and the host of the nationally syndicated talk radio show The Line of Fire on the Salem Radio Network. He is also president of FIRE School of Ministry and director of the Coalition of Conscience. Follow him at AskDrBrown on Facebook or @drmichaellbrown on Twitter.

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