Transgender Student in Women's Locker...

Transgender Student in Women's Locker Room Raises Uproar

There are 352 comments on the KSFO AM 560 story from Nov 4, 2012, titled Transgender Student in Women's Locker Room Raises Uproar. In it, KSFO AM 560 reports that:

The decision to allow a transgender 45-year-old college student who identifies as a woman but has male genitalia to use the women's locker room has raised a fracas among parents and faith-based organizations, who say children as young as 6 years old use the locker room.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#165 Nov 29, 2012
George the Great wrote:
Let us all flock naked on the buses and in the public society then. Cripes, nudity isn't a sin but there our proper places for it. Involving innocent children is not one of them when they are not ready for it.
So, you think the human body is nothing more than a breeding machine. Not a very good outlook on things you have there.
George the Great

Olympia, WA

#166 Nov 29, 2012
No, I am concerned about my children. Have you seen the sexual scandals out there...Penn State? Catholic church? Teachers taking advantage of innocent children? Those situations were not breading machines but predators taking advantage of others. The parents seeing this individual exposing herself sent off alarm bells to their parental instinct...protect their children. Sorry, but I'm on the look out for child predators when it concerns my children or their classmates. This lady's behavior, as described, would have sent alarm bells and I would have reported it as well. Just cover up...I would have known my children were entering into this environment, multi-gender environment, but I would be looking out for any situation that didn't feel right. Don't fault the parents. They did what they should have done and Evergreen State responded; by providing privacy screens to those transgender individuals.
I'm not saying that transgender individuals will take advantage of the situation but Evergreen's policy opens the door for it to happen to those that are not part of your community. Just cover up.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#167 Nov 29, 2012
George the Great wrote:
No, I am concerned about my children. Have you seen the sexual scandals out there...Penn State? Catholic church? Teachers taking advantage of innocent children? Those situations were not breading machines but predators taking advantage of others. The parents seeing this individual exposing herself sent off alarm bells to their parental instinct...protect their children. Sorry, but I'm on the look out for child predators when it concerns my children or their classmates. This lady's behavior, as described, would have sent alarm bells and I would have reported it as well. Just cover up...I would have known my children were entering into this environment, multi-gender environment, but I would be looking out for any situation that didn't feel right. Don't fault the parents. They did what they should have done and Evergreen State responded; by providing privacy screens to those transgender individuals.
I'm not saying that transgender individuals will take advantage of the situation but Evergreen's policy opens the door for it to happen to those that are not part of your community. Just cover up.
Just admit it, you're another of those perverts who thinks everything is about sex, that's all you are. A pervert.
rosario

Port Orchard, WA

#168 Nov 29, 2012
Sick and disgusting.
George the Great

Olympia, WA

#169 Nov 30, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Just admit it, you're another of those perverts who thinks everything is about sex, that's all you are. A pervert.
Kitten, you are disturbed if you don't see showing 'male junk' to six year olds is wrong. I'll let go and say you seriously need some help if you believe adult males and six year olds need to be sharing the same shower facilities and have the adult male spreading while showing his goods to children. You are not a good role model to your community, the transgender group, if you believe that this was acceptable behavior. You, ma'am, are what every stereotype about this group is about. You don't accept the errors of some in your community or sees protecting innocent children is the acceptable choice. You have told me to join the human race...now I tell you to join reality. It is wrong for an adult or child male to show their male parts to an underage female....just plain wrong.

I'll use your own example...if it's not about sex then why just not cover up? Why must you, and your sisters, show your parts when underage children don't want to see it? It is about sex...it's about your perception of sexual identity. Stop being selfish and start living in reality.

You and your friend are trying to change the world by making your issue impact innocent children. Again...selfish! Evergreen State College has identified their mistake, like San Francisco and their nudity ban. You are on the wrong side of this argument. Children do need to be protected.

Kitten...you have been showing very sick side of your community. Get help.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#170 Nov 30, 2012
George the Great wrote:
<quoted text>Kitten, you are disturbed if you don't see showing 'male junk' to six year olds is wrong. I'll let go and say you seriously need some help if you believe adult males and six year olds need to be sharing the same shower facilities and have the adult male spreading while showing his goods to children. You are not a good role model to your community, the transgender group, if you believe that this was acceptable behavior. You, ma'am, are what every stereotype about this group is about. You don't accept the errors of some in your community or sees protecting innocent children is the acceptable choice. You have told me to join the human race...now I tell you to join reality. It is wrong for an adult or child male to show their male parts to an underage female....just plain wrong.

I'll use your own example...if it's not about sex then why just not cover up? Why must you, and your sisters, show your parts when underage children don't want to see it? It is about sex...it's about your perception of sexual identity. Stop being selfish and start living in reality.

You and your friend are trying to change the world by making your issue impact innocent children. Again...selfish! Evergreen State College has identified their mistake, like San Francisco and their nudity ban. You are on the wrong side of this argument. Children do need to be protected.

Kitten...you have been showing very sick side of your community. Get help.
Personally I think there is little reason for any two people to see each other in the shower.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#171 Nov 30, 2012
George the Great wrote:
<quoted text>
Kitten, you are disturbed if you don't see showing 'male junk' to six year olds is wrong. I'll let go and say you seriously need some help if you believe adult males and six year olds need to be sharing the same shower facilities and have the adult male spreading while showing his goods to children. You are not a good role model to your community, the transgender group, if you believe that this was acceptable behavior. You, ma'am, are what every stereotype about this group is about. You don't accept the errors of some in your community or sees protecting innocent children is the acceptable choice. You have told me to join the human race...now I tell you to join reality. It is wrong for an adult or child male to show their male parts to an underage female....just plain wrong.
I'll use your own example...if it's not about sex then why just not cover up? Why must you, and your sisters, show your parts when underage children don't want to see it? It is about sex...it's about your perception of sexual identity. Stop being selfish and start living in reality.
You and your friend are trying to change the world by making your issue impact innocent children. Again...selfish! Evergreen State College has identified their mistake, like San Francisco and their nudity ban. You are on the wrong side of this argument. Children do need to be protected.
Kitten...you have been showing very sick side of your community. Get help.
Why aren't you on the thread about the FtM transgendered saying the same thing?

This has nothing to do with you caring about anyone, the exact opposite is actually true, you just seek reasons to hate, even when you have to make them up.
George the Great

Olympia, WA

#172 Dec 1, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Why aren't you on the thread about the FtM transgendered saying the same thing?
This has nothing to do with you caring about anyone, the exact opposite is actually true, you just seek reasons to hate, even when you have to make them up.
You continue to label me as hating but I'm not the one hating; you are. I'm the one that has said that your gender should be in allowed in the same locker rooms as how you feel. I only have stated that innocent children, some that don't share the same ideology as you and your friends, should be protected. I went further by implying that Evergreen State College's policy is open to be abused by those seeking to abuse children. There is no hate there.

Seriously, Kitten, in today's environment, with sexual purps everywhere, you don't see the problem what this individual has 'reportedly' done? She may have meant no harm but parents of the underage children didn't know that. There has to be some common ground on this issue.

Come on Kitten...you have to understand the concern of the parents and those that support them. Quit the labeling of hate and understand the issue. It's not about transgender individuals taking advantage of others, even though I believe this lady was wrong in the show and tell, it's about protecting the children. You may not believe it but some people, not of your gender, may take advantage of Evergreen State College decision to allow transgender students access to the opposite locker rooms. Thing about it.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#173 Dec 1, 2012
George the Great wrote:
<quoted text>
You continue to label me as hating but I'm not the one hating; you are. I'm the one that has said that your gender should be in allowed in the same locker rooms as how you feel. I only have stated that innocent children, some that don't share the same ideology as you and your friends, should be protected. I went further by implying that Evergreen State College's policy is open to be abused by those seeking to abuse children. There is no hate there.
Seriously, Kitten, in today's environment, with sexual purps everywhere, you don't see the problem what this individual has 'reportedly' done? She may have meant no harm but parents of the underage children didn't know that. There has to be some common ground on this issue.
Come on Kitten...you have to understand the concern of the parents and those that support them. Quit the labeling of hate and understand the issue. It's not about transgender individuals taking advantage of others, even though I believe this lady was wrong in the show and tell, it's about protecting the children. You may not believe it but some people, not of your gender, may take advantage of Evergreen State College decision to allow transgender students access to the opposite locker rooms. Thing about it.
There it is, you are making the assumption that I am trans based on ... what? That's the strongest evidence that you are just seeking an excuse to hate. Hate isn't always "kill them all," hate is also "whatever, as long as I don't have to see it." Neither is worse than the other, both types of hatred are just as bad.

Then you start talking as if you buy into this "doom's day" conspiracy nuttery as well. What about "today's environment?" Crime rate is the lowest it's been in the entire history of the US, violence in the world is at an all time low. There are fewer predators now than ever, and this is literally the safest environment for a child that the US has ever had, ever.
Dean

Olympia, WA

#174 Dec 2, 2012
My child, my rules,I get to rasie my child my way. Not yours.
thirdstreet

Olympia, WA

#175 Dec 2, 2012
If you don't follow the laws, policies and procedures concerning child safety and education and feeding and health care and other areas concerning the rights of children then federal and State and local authorities and agencies and unelected non government organizations can take your child from you.

---- Prophet Atlantis of Olympia, WA ----
thirdstreet

Olympia, WA

#176 Dec 2, 2012
They can force you, the child or entire family into long term counseling with no end date. They can make you pay all the bills associated with them 'being forced to deal with your un-approved behavior.
---- Prophet Atlantis of Olympia WA ----
thirdstreet

Olympia, WA

#177 Dec 2, 2012
They can order you to only be able to see your kids in he presence of expensive court appointed therapist(S). They can bankrupt you trying to fight them. They can put you in jail on contempt charges if you refuse to do as you are told. They can smear you in the press with 'leaks' or outright negative comments and never have to apologize when they are proved to be wrong or malicious against you.

They can do most of this all without ever charging you with a crime or having your day in court.
---- Prophet Atlantis of Olympia, WA ----
George the Great

Olympia, WA

#178 Dec 2, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
There it is, you are making the assumption that I am trans based on ... what? That's the strongest evidence that you are just seeking an excuse to hate. Hate isn't always "kill them all," hate is also "whatever, as long as I don't have to see it." Neither is worse than the other, both types of hatred are just as bad.
Then you start talking as if you buy into this "doom's day" conspiracy nuttery as well. What about "today's environment?" Crime rate is the lowest it's been in the entire history of the US, violence in the world is at an all time low. There are fewer predators now than ever, and this is literally the safest environment for a child that the US has ever had, ever.
That may be your belief but you may be wrong. Parents don't want to take that risk. You keep spouting the word 'hate' but you haven't excused this individual for her 'show and tell'. I don't buy into this 'dooms day' situation but I do pay attention to who my children associate with. The 'show and tell' situation by this individual made Evergreen State College rethink their original ruling and changed it. Evergreen decided that their original decision to be bad and amended it. So something, regardless whether you believe it to be true. must have been wrong.
You still haven't answered the original question...why no cover up? You continue to discuss that sex does not mean reproduction or nudity is not wrong but a major Washington State college. THE most liberal one, has decided that innocent individuals need to be protected. Where is the hate to Evergreen?
George the Great

Olympia, WA

#179 Dec 3, 2012
Again, if you our so strong with with your beliefs then what is wrong with covering up and protecting those that don't agree with you?

Sister, you have not even came close to saying that this lady messed up, but have defended her regardless of the reports, and lack of. You have make accusations that I am all about 'hate' but haven't excused her actions. Could you have some serious issues regarding this issue. I don't hate...live and let live. However, just imagine one of your community going beyond the norms and showing the "stuff', and exposing it to innocent children. Sex it sex; make babies is different, but showing male junk to innocent females is wrong. You need a correction, not I. That is wrong.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#180 Dec 5, 2012
George the Great wrote:
<quoted text>
That may be your belief but you may be wrong. Parents don't want to take that risk. You keep spouting the word 'hate' but you haven't excused this individual for her 'show and tell'. I don't buy into this 'dooms day' situation but I do pay attention to who my children associate with. The 'show and tell' situation by this individual made Evergreen State College rethink their original ruling and changed it. Evergreen decided that their original decision to be bad and amended it. So something, regardless whether you believe it to be true. must have been wrong.
You still haven't answered the original question...why no cover up? You continue to discuss that sex does not mean reproduction or nudity is not wrong but a major Washington State college. THE most liberal one, has decided that innocent individuals need to be protected. Where is the hate to Evergreen?
What risk? Oh no, so they saw another human nude, considering they know what their parents look like nude, not much shock there.

Stop trying to blame the victim in this, it's clearly another witchhunt, and nothing more.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#181 Dec 5, 2012
George the Great wrote:
Again, if you our so strong with with your beliefs then what is wrong with covering up and protecting those that don't agree with you?
Sister, you have not even came close to saying that this lady messed up, but have defended her regardless of the reports, and lack of. You have make accusations that I am all about 'hate' but haven't excused her actions. Could you have some serious issues regarding this issue. I don't hate...live and let live. However, just imagine one of your community going beyond the norms and showing the "stuff', and exposing it to innocent children. Sex it sex; make babies is different, but showing male junk to innocent females is wrong. You need a correction, not I. That is wrong.
Moderate is another name for enabler.

If you're at all a strong person, why don't you just let other people live.
George the Great

Olympia, WA

#182 Dec 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Moderate is another name for enabler.
If you're at all a strong person, why don't you just let other people live.
Listen, I don't care about your or anyone else's life style as long as it doesn't affect my child. Stop pushing your agenda on me on how to raise my child. There is nothing wrong with covering up in that environment. Actually, it's pretty selfish of the individual not to have done so in the first place. Stop forcing your issues on others...the individual had a right to be in THAT locker room just show some respect to others.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#183 Dec 6, 2012
George the Great wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen, I don't care about your or anyone else's life style as long as it doesn't affect my child. Stop pushing your agenda on me on how to raise my child. There is nothing wrong with covering up in that environment. Actually, it's pretty selfish of the individual not to have done so in the first place. Stop forcing your issues on others...the individual had a right to be in THAT locker room just show some respect to others.
No one's lifestyle effects your child, it effects you, and then that's only because you want it to. I mean, me being asexual literally has no possible way to effect you, yet you are still acting outraged about just that only because I am trying to show you reality and logic. Why you bring it up, that's all you, not an effect on your child. Children don't actually notice such things, until an adult points it out to them in the first place. If you really had a child, you'd know this, unless you're a horrible parent who should have been sterilized, like 90% of parents in the US should be. Learn to raise a child, and stop worrying about what other people do.
George the Great

Olympia, WA

#184 Dec 6, 2012
No, actually children have more awareness than you think...especially a 5 or 6 year old. Here's an idea...cover up. Again, there is nothing wrong with that UNLESS you have your own issues that you want to promote.

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