Shifts in Attitude Kill Off Suburban Gay Bars

Aug 4, 2013 Full story: EDGE 28

David Ralston came out in the early 1990s the only way he knew how: He went to a gay bar.

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#1 Aug 4, 2013
The new problem is how to gather our numbers for political action.

The rallying cry, "Out of the bars and into the streets!" no longer has the meaning it once did.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

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#2 Aug 4, 2013
Long Island used to have a LOT of gay bars. Pal Joe's was open for over 30 years. So many have come and gone on Long Island it's impossible for me to remember them all. Some were open for a very long time.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#4 Aug 4, 2013
Sally wrote:
<quoted text>The queers died from AIDS and the gay bars closed down.
WOO HOO:)
Your lies kill any semblance of rational discussion, LITTLE cowardly liar.
Gay in Bethlehem

Eatontown, NJ

#6 Aug 4, 2013
Arthur wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know how to spell "heard"
LMFAO
I know this is kind of like feeding seagulls and expecting them to leave you alone afterward...but... I really have to ask as others have asked...: Why do you bother reading or rather..not reading these articles and just making stupid comments? The comments aren't even remotely clever or funny - you have to write something like LOL or LMFAO so that the reader is aware that YOU think this is funny.

Noun, verb, "AIDS" is not a joke.

I don't bother looking on FOX news message boards (though I think they don't even have them anymore) because I know the articles and comments will probably piss me off. Why you guys feel the need to do this stuff on a daily basis is just confusing at best and sad at worst.

I'm reading the article to gain awareness. What are you gaining with your dumb comment?
Cookie Love

Alpharetta, GA

#9 Aug 4, 2013
Arthur wrote:
<quoted text>WTF, I herd queers die from AIDS and I think that is funny as hell...where's you're cents of humor?
Homophobes die from lackanookie
.
When is the last time you had a meaningful relationship?

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#10 Aug 4, 2013
Sally wrote:
<quoted text>The queers died from AIDS and the gay bars closed down.
WOO HOO:)
For a brief period in the 1980s that was so.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

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#11 Aug 4, 2013
Arthur wrote:
<quoted text>WTF, I herd queers die from AIDS and I think that is funny as hell...where's you're cents of humor?
The vast majority of people who are hiv+ or living with AIDS are heterosexual. Apparently you don't know what you're talking about.
Straight Sh00ter

Lawrence, KS

#12 Aug 4, 2013
Queers shouldn't be served.

“"Judge NOT Lest Ye Be Judged"”

Since: Jul 13

Big Pine Cay Florida

#13 Aug 4, 2013
Straight Sh00ter wrote:
Queers shouldn't be served.
Jeez,you're kind of stupid huh? Like the other poster stated,the vast majority of AID's cases world wide are of a heterosexual nature! Hundreds of thousands if not millions of women and children also suffer from the dreaded disease,do you condemn them also? What a shining beacon for humanity you are,but like I stated,kind of a stupid pecker head!

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#14 Aug 4, 2013
Straight Sh00ter wrote:
Queers shouldn't be served.
Liars shouldn't be served, LITTLE cowardly liar.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#15 Aug 4, 2013
Arthur wrote:
<quoted text>I herd The Golem died from AIDS, is this true?
LMFAO
We all KNOW you are a cowardly LITTLE liar. It IS true.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#16 Aug 4, 2013
Cookie Love wrote:
<quoted text>
Homophobes die from lackanookie
.
When is the last time you had a meaningful relationship?
Right before Wanda, the Blow Up doll got a hole in her and flew around the room till she crumpled into a corner. The hole was NOT from his tiny little thing, but a nail in his mother's basement where his apartment. he waits till mom goes to Bingo to make whoopie with Wanda's crumpled plastic body.

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#17 Aug 4, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Right before Wanda, the Blow Up doll got a hole in her and flew around the room till she crumpled into a corner. The hole was NOT from his tiny little thing, but a nail in his mother's basement where his apartment. he waits till mom goes to Bingo to make whoopie with Wanda's crumpled plastic body.
How about some coffee instead, hm?

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#18 Aug 5, 2013
This article is specifically about suburban bars. I wonder, though, what will become of the city bars, and for that matter the "gayborhoods" as we gain acceptance and more and more of us opt for the "married lifestyle" which does not include bars. As much as I enjoyed the night-life and the cruising possibilities, I gave them up 40 years ago when I met my spouse. I can count on one hand the number of times we have gone to a gay bar, and then it was only together. And we didn't really enjoy the experience, because it was geared toward the singles, as I suppose it should be.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#19 Aug 5, 2013
RalphB wrote:
This article is specifically about suburban bars. I wonder, though, what will become of the city bars, and for that matter the "gayborhoods" as we gain acceptance and more and more of us opt for the "married lifestyle" which does not include bars. As much as I enjoyed the night-life and the cruising possibilities, I gave them up 40 years ago when I met my spouse. I can count on one hand the number of times we have gone to a gay bar, and then it was only together. And we didn't really enjoy the experience, because it was geared toward the singles, as I suppose it should be.
I was in San Francisco a couple of years ago, we were at Castro and 18th. I saw a cute little girl in a princess dress and her mom walking. Then I saw another and another and soon a dozen and then fifty. I finally asked one of the moms "what's up??" She said they showed a couple of Disney princess movies and it was a dress up affair at the Castro Theater.

If you know Castro Street the Castro Theater is at ground zero of gay activity in the 1970-80's. It was a depressed neighborhood and the newly arrived gay guys bought the houses cheap and brought them back to splendor. Now they're pretty much priced out and have moved onto new 'hoods.

The Castro Theater in other days held Mr. Leather contests and stuff like that. The street itself used to be lined with bars, and there are still a couple, but now there are candle stores and high end soaps and yuppie stuff like that.

There are still gays around, but there are many families in residence and no one bothers anyone nor cares who lays whose head next to him or her at night. I think that is a huge step forward.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#20 Aug 5, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>I was in San Francisco a couple of years ago, we were at Castro and 18th. I saw a cute little girl in a princess dress and her mom walking. Then I saw another and another and soon a dozen and then fifty. I finally asked one of the moms "what's up??" She said they showed a couple of Disney princess movies and it was a dress up affair at the Castro Theater.
If you know Castro Street the Castro Theater is at ground zero of gay activity in the 1970-80's. It was a depressed neighborhood and the newly arrived gay guys bought the houses cheap and brought them back to splendor. Now they're pretty much priced out and have moved onto new 'hoods.
The Castro Theater in other days held Mr. Leather contests and stuff like that. The street itself used to be lined with bars, and there are still a couple, but now there are candle stores and high end soaps and yuppie stuff like that.
There are still gays around, but there are many families in residence and no one bothers anyone nor cares who lays whose head next to him or her at night. I think that is a huge step forward.
Aaaaahhh, Castro. I remember it from the late sixties and early seventies. That was B/F (before Frank). It was the era of the hippies, and they fit in very nicely in Castro. It was a wild and wooly time, and I remember it with great fondness. I'll have to get out my slides and view them over my Martini tonight.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#21 Aug 5, 2013
RalphB wrote:
<quoted text>
Aaaaahhh, Castro. I remember it from the late sixties and early seventies. That was B/F (before Frank). It was the era of the hippies, and they fit in very nicely in Castro. It was a wild and wooly time, and I remember it with great fondness. I'll have to get out my slides and view them over my Martini tonight.
Aww, that would be something to see. You ought to get prints of your slides and send them to some Gay Historical society.

I so recall my first adult visit to San Francisco in 1978. I was sitting in the big windows of the Twin Peaks bar at Castro and 17th, at Market Street. I had come out kind of recently and was new to this and the big windows were a welcome surprise. I was watching the handsome young guys POUR out of the subway entry across the street and watched in awe and wonder as the hundreds of gay men walked around without a care in the world, out as can be. It was incredibly empowering and shaped my own behavior which I have been following ever since.

Now, here in Palm Springs, I take it as a matter of course, but I still recall that windy sunny life altering day so long ago at the Twin Peaks.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#22 Aug 5, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Aww, that would be something to see. You ought to get prints of your slides and send them to some Gay Historical society.
I so recall my first adult visit to San Francisco in 1978. I was sitting in the big windows of the Twin Peaks bar at Castro and 17th, at Market Street. I had come out kind of recently and was new to this and the big windows were a welcome surprise. I was watching the handsome young guys POUR out of the subway entry across the street and watched in awe and wonder as the hundreds of gay men walked around without a care in the world, out as can be. It was incredibly empowering and shaped my own behavior which I have been following ever since.
Now, here in Palm Springs, I take it as a matter of course, but I still recall that windy sunny life altering day so long ago at the Twin Peaks.
Amen! Amen! Preach it!

I have already separated all my gay-related slides and Super 8mm films from the family stuff. I have, literally thousands of slides and perhaps 2 dozen or so reels of film from just the gay stuff. The family stuff is not quite as extensive. The gay stuff will go to the Gay Archives in St. Louis when I die. If I didn't do that it would probably all be tossed out. Each one of the slides and all the films are edited with titles and names (I'm a little bit of an OCD-type where this is concerned. Comes from my genealogy background.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#23 Aug 5, 2013
OOPS....I forgot about my prints. I have 6 albums of prints of pixs I took over the years, and those will go also. They are also labeled and dated. About 1500 prints.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#24 Aug 5, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
The vast majority of people who are hiv+ or living with AIDS are heterosexual.
Not in this country.

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