Bill gives parents control of network...

Bill gives parents control of networking sites

There are 10 comments on the KTVU Oakland story from May 2, 2013, titled Bill gives parents control of networking sites. In it, KTVU Oakland reports that:

The state Senate passed a bill Thursday that would allow parents to remove their children's personal information from social networking sites, over the objection of Facebook and other tech companies that say it would be impossible to implement.

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Since: Mar 09

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#1 May 2, 2013
Good idea.

"impossible to implement" ?

What a load of BS!

“Where's my fairy wand!”

Since: Apr 08

Reading PA

#2 May 3, 2013
Making parents responsible for their children. What a unique concept.

About time!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#3 May 3, 2013
snyper wrote:
Good idea.
"impossible to implement" ?
What a load of BS!
How do you verify who's a parent of who?

“Where's my fairy wand!”

Since: Apr 08

Reading PA

#4 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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How do you verify who's a parent of who?
Whom dear...."How do you verify who's a parent of whom?"...not who.

And I don't know - I'm not a parent....thankfully.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5 May 3, 2013
KirkW wrote:
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Whom dear...."How do you verify who's a parent of whom?"...not who.
And I don't know - I'm not a parent....thankfully.
I spell horribly, all those years of programming tend to replace most words with code words.

Anyhow, that's the issue with Google and Facebook, they'd have to be responsible for determining who is the parent of whom and verify it, it's simply not possible on the net. Google and Twitter are already having a difficult time verifying who is a celebrity and who is not online, to implement something like this parental control over the networks would require a lot of money, time, and effort. Consider this, you are posting on a virtually anonymous website with a virtually anonymous account, and no way for them to even verify you are over 13, even though that's a requirement for creating an account anywhere online in the US, no website has any way to actually verify that you are not lying about your age. This kind of bill makes it the responsibility of the networks to implement this, when the government itself should be the one to have to do that, but the government won't allow their profits to be dipped into so they push it onto the corporations and site owners. But it's even more than that. The corporations that pay the government want control of the internet, mainstream media and such, so they have been pushing for impossible to obey laws on web servers, like this one, in an attempt to get a "we can shut you down with one call" law implemented. Ever since they realized that, because of the internet, they can no longer make profits by forcing unreasonable copyrights and forcing people to sell their own intellectual property to get published.

Behind the scenes, while you are not looking, Google, Twitter, Youtube, and yes, even Facebook, have been battling this long war with the government against such laws for over a decade now. This will give some people the legal firepower to shut down any website they want with a single call to the authorities, just like SOPA and PIPA, and the new law ACTA which managed to pass thanks to Obama being a moron. Personally, I don't care, such laws will deprive you, the common person, from internet access, us geeks and the nerds will not suffer, we'll just go back to using the numbers.

“Where's my fairy wand!”

Since: Apr 08

Reading PA

#6 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Behind the scenes, while you are not looking, Google, Twitter, Youtube, and yes, even Facebook, have been battling this long war with the government against such laws for over a decade now. This will give some people the legal firepower to shut down any website they want with a single call to the authorities, just like SOPA and PIPA, and the new law ACTA which managed to pass thanks to Obama being a moron. Personally, I don't care, such laws will deprive you, the common person, from internet access, us geeks and the nerds will not suffer, we'll just go back to using the numbers.
I agree there's no real way to enforce this...BUT...on the other hand, parents should know what their kids are doing and putting online. I have potential solutions but nobody would like them....ready:

Kids don't need smart phones, just phones that are phones so they can call if they need help or to let parents know what's up. No Apps, no cameras, just phones.

No private computers in kids bedrooms - computers in the public spaces of the house only where parents can actually see what's going on.

Parents need to check out what their kids are doing. Sorry guys but get on the computer and snoop. Once their kids get to a certain age parents need to tell their kids - "hey if you find a way to post naked pictures of your private bits online don't come crying to me when people start calling you distasteful names or treating you badly". A parent cannot restore a destroyed reputation no matter how much they want to.

Unfortunately maturity comes with maturity.

There might be one possible way actually to make this work. In order to have a Facebook account you need to supply a State ID, Driver's License or Credit card number (which they will run to check it's actually you if you're over 18 - OR - one of your parents needs to sign in and provide a State ID, Driver's License or Credit card and link their account to your account and agree to claim legal responsibility for your actions online.

I'm sure the geekies can work that out. But Facebook isn't going to be free anymore.

Kids will always push the boundaries and they don't always think before they act - I don't need to be a parent to know that - but it is up to the parents to be the parents.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7 May 3, 2013
KirkW wrote:
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I agree there's no real way to enforce this...BUT...on the other hand, parents should know what their kids are doing and putting online. I have potential solutions but nobody would like them....ready:
Kids don't need smart phones, just phones that are phones so they can call if they need help or to let parents know what's up. No Apps, no cameras, just phones.
No private computers in kids bedrooms - computers in the public spaces of the house only where parents can actually see what's going on.
Parents need to check out what their kids are doing. Sorry guys but get on the computer and snoop. Once their kids get to a certain age parents need to tell their kids - "hey if you find a way to post naked pictures of your private bits online don't come crying to me when people start calling you distasteful names or treating you badly". A parent cannot restore a destroyed reputation no matter how much they want to.
Unfortunately maturity comes with maturity.
There might be one possible way actually to make this work. In order to have a Facebook account you need to supply a State ID, Driver's License or Credit card number (which they will run to check it's actually you if you're over 18 - OR - one of your parents needs to sign in and provide a State ID, Driver's License or Credit card and link their account to your account and agree to claim legal responsibility for your actions online.
I'm sure the geekies can work that out. But Facebook isn't going to be free anymore.
Kids will always push the boundaries and they don't always think before they act - I don't need to be a parent to know that - but it is up to the parents to be the parents.
Controlling a child is not good parenting, there's a lot more involved, and that's the flaw in US parents anyway. What we need is to make parents go to parenting classes that are scientifically designed to actually inform them. That won't happen, so until such time as people decide to do anything correct for a change, pushing the weight of the government into the internet is not a solution and is the exact same thing as tyranny.

“Where's my fairy wand!”

Since: Apr 08

Reading PA

#8 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Controlling a child is not good parenting, there's a lot more involved, and that's the flaw in US parents anyway. What we need is to make parents go to parenting classes that are scientifically designed to actually inform them. That won't happen, so until such time as people decide to do anything correct for a change, pushing the weight of the government into the internet is not a solution and is the exact same thing as tyranny.
I don't see "overly controlling" as the problem with American parenting. What I see in my city on a daily basis is disengaged "I don't give a crap what my kid is doing" parenting. You can't tell me that the 12-17 yo kids who are out on the streets screaming and raising hell at all hours of the day and night are being "overly controlling" by their parents. There's NO control going on there and that's half the problem.

When I was young at 9 pm the TV stations would run a 10 second ad..."It's 9 p.m. do you know where your child is?" That was the ad....in my town I suspect a lot of parent would truthfully answer "no".

I think parenting classes area great idea. Meanwhile, here anyway, the kids are running the streets.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9 May 3, 2013
KirkW wrote:
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I don't see "overly controlling" as the problem with American parenting. What I see in my city on a daily basis is disengaged "I don't give a crap what my kid is doing" parenting. You can't tell me that the 12-17 yo kids who are out on the streets screaming and raising hell at all hours of the day and night are being "overly controlling" by their parents. There's NO control going on there and that's half the problem.
When I was young at 9 pm the TV stations would run a 10 second ad..."It's 9 p.m. do you know where your child is?" That was the ad....in my town I suspect a lot of parent would truthfully answer "no".
I think parenting classes area great idea. Meanwhile, here anyway, the kids are running the streets.
It's the existence of the two extremes. The US, thanks to the religious influences, has taken to becoming an extremist nation, just more subtly than others. Parenting in this country is the prime example, you will either have "parents" who completely control their children, making them into "mini-mes" or the extreme opposite "parents" who expect everyone else to babysit for free. When the parents should really be more akin to instructors than either of what they are. The sad thing is that it's been like this for a very long time. The only that changes is what gets blamed for our country's poor parenting skills.

Since: Mar 09

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#10 May 3, 2013
One cannot teach what one has never learned.

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