The Gay Animal Kingdom

The Gay Animal Kingdom

There are 932 comments on the www.seedmagazine.com story from Nov 20, 2008, titled The Gay Animal Kingdom. In it, www.seedmagazine.com reports that:

Joan Roughgarden thinks Charles Darwin made a terrible mistake. Not about natural selection - she's no bible-toting creationist - but about his other great theory of evolution: sexual selection.....

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Do Me

Girard, PA

#64 Nov 21, 2008
Brownrabbit wrote:
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Does your question make sense in this thread?
Best Regards
Brownrabbit
Well maybe not, but you responded to it, but if it has to do with two females having lesbian sex then yes it does have to do.

Anyway I googled female ejaculate and it's amazing how much you can get off the net. And if you're female it is amazing how much and many times you can GET OFF! Apparantly women have some sort of prostatic tissue. And it tastes sweet! Contains glucose and fructose. Apparantly most women can do this but they don't allow themselves to because it has the same sensation as if you are going to pee, so they hold it back. I wish I knew this info when I was twenty! Sorry if it is off topic, but I don't think anyone will mind reading about female ejaculation especially when it tastes so sweet
equalityboy81

Niceville, FL

#65 Nov 21, 2008

Since: Oct 08

Portland, OR

#67 Nov 21, 2008
All of this brouhaha about homosexuality will be passe within a generation or two.

Homosexuality is as natural for homosexuals as heterosexuality is natuarl for heterosexuals. And the vast majority of humans fall into the middle, not on either end.

When your children or your children's children are able to escape the taboo and shame now placed on homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality, they will do as they please with no guilt or remorse. The prohibitions are societal, and actually, very unnatural.

In the future, children will again be raised by a fostering village, rather than a couple acting singly in the best interest of the child. When we were children, the women of our towns and city neighborhoods all worked to raise the kids in that area.

The isolationist tendencies toward raising children outside of a community is powered by the nuclear family, and the increasing fences that keep neighbors from even acknowledging one another. This will also change.

Humans are sexual creatures, and eventually, as we move away from religious dogma and prohibitions, children whether homosexual or heterosexual will be valued simply for being part of their community.

Nobody thought that a century ago that people of varying races would ever get along, and yet here we are now, in a global community, intermarrying and producing offspring together. So too shall it be for sexual diversity. By the middle of this century, no one will think twice about what sexuality one embodies, or what sex one's partner happens to be.

Evolution: adapt or perish. Soemthing tells me that fundamentalist religious zealots and their separatist practices won't be around much longer.
It goes against survival of the species.
equalityboy81

Niceville, FL

#68 Nov 21, 2008
SheilaHTS

United States

#69 Nov 21, 2008
Terry wrote:
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I've been in my permanent gay relationship with my husband for 22 years......don't you just love that apple pie!!?
Living shacked up. How many times have you cheated on each other, had 3 ways or orgies?
ThePlayer

Tokyo, Japan

#70 Nov 21, 2008
ell bell wrote:
ugh this is just silly..why do people really insist on caring what someone else does with their sexlife? who cares who likes who... does it really hurt anyone if a man and a mand have sex or two women? nobody should bother with anyone elses sexuality ..its stupid.. why get yourself all worked up over somthing that doesnt concern you.. people, man or woman are all just people regardless of what or who they are attracted to..
The point is to try to control other people. It makes sex bigots and religious prudes feel better about their sad existence.
753hgf

United States

#71 Nov 21, 2008
hey ladies my aim is rideforlife753
horny
Terry

Solihull, UK

#72 Nov 22, 2008
Brownrabbit wrote:
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No the bible isn't shit, there's lots of god stuff in the bible, but a lot of the people who invoke the bible are full of shit.
Best Regards
Brownrabbit
God stuff? In the bible? You're kidding me!!!
Do Me

Girard, PA

#73 Nov 22, 2008
I have a solution

Everyone wants to do opposite of what's normal. So now that gay is normal, why not rebel and cross the line into being straight? And if you're the least bit bi-sexual why not stay on the hetero side?

Don't get me wrong, this gay thing might be a good thing to keep the population of the earth from going through the roof but I just fail to believe that a substantial percentage of humans are genetically gay. If you're not genetically gay then what's the fascination? I'm not trying to 'control', I just want to 'understand'. I'm not telling anyone they can't be gay. I think more people are doing it because it is the in thing. When I went to school I remember one or two girls that were 'Tomboys' and one or two guys that were fem, but not 1 out of 5 or one out of 2 like it seems we have nowadays. Nobody can convince me I have a genetic tendency to go both ways, straight sex or no sex. If you want to satisfy a 'curiosity', have sex with yourself, everybody does it so that curiosity should be somewhat settled.(Of course it is hard to detach your head and make love to yourself but it's close enough?)
flyboy

Richmond, VA

#74 Nov 22, 2008
Do Me wrote:
I have a solution
Everyone wants to do opposite of what's normal. So now that gay is normal, why not rebel and cross the line into being straight? And if you're the least bit bi-sexual why not stay on the hetero side?
Don't get me wrong, this gay thing might be a good thing to keep the population of the earth from going through the roof but I just fail to believe that a substantial percentage of humans are genetically gay. If you're not genetically gay then what's the fascination? I'm not trying to 'control', I just want to 'understand'. I'm not telling anyone they can't be gay. I think more people are doing it because it is the in thing. When I went to school I remember one or two girls that were 'Tomboys' and one or two guys that were fem, but not 1 out of 5 or one out of 2 like it seems we have nowadays. Nobody can convince me I have a genetic tendency to go both ways, straight sex or no sex. If you want to satisfy a 'curiosity', have sex with yourself, everybody does it so that curiosity should be somewhat settled.(Of course it is hard to detach your head and make love to yourself but it's close enough?)
Being gay is normal, being straight is normal. Most people are bi-sexual in nature. That is NOT up for debate. Most people are bi-sexually driven but have been socially conditioned to not see or try to see that side of themselves. Until recently. Being gay isnt all about genetics, being straight isnt all about genetics. There is no one gay gene. Its a host of genes that collaborate to make someonegay or straight. Its also likely part hormonal, chemical etc. The exact combination is not known. What is known is that sexuality isnt a choice.

P.S. Men are more likely to be solid GAY than women. Most organiztions say 8-12% of people are gay.
Animal Queen

Germany

#75 Nov 22, 2008
My Great Dane Rupaul is my king every night. I let that 210 pound beast mount me and he is rough, scratches me, and doesn't let up until he finishes his business. WHo says animals aren't gay?
Gary

Grand Rapids, MI

#76 Nov 22, 2008
Brownrabbit wrote:
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No the bible isn't shit, there's lots of god stuff in the bible, but a lot of the people who invoke the bible are full of shit.
Best Regards
Brownrabbit
Amen to that!!
Terry

Solihull, UK

#77 Nov 22, 2008
SheilaHTS wrote:
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Living shacked up. How many times have you cheated on each other, had 3 ways or orgies?
We are officially married under UK law and we love each other...Your mind seems to be in the sewer which is probably where it belongs...
Brownrabbit

Ireland

#79 Nov 22, 2008
Animal Queen wrote:
My Great Dane Rupaul is my king every night. I let that 210 pound beast mount me and he is rough, scratches me, and doesn't let up until he finishes his business. WHo says animals aren't gay?
Well unless you are a dog, that sounds like interspecies sexual relations to me, in which case your sex ie male or female would seem a relatively minor thing in the equation.

Best Regards
Brown Rabbit
Do Me

Girard, PA

#80 Nov 22, 2008
flyboy wrote:
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Being gay is normal, being straight is normal. Most people are bi-sexual in nature. That is NOT up for debate. Most people are bi-sexually driven but have been socially conditioned to not see or try to see that side of themselves. Until recently. Being gay isnt all about genetics, being straight isnt all about genetics. There is no one gay gene. Its a host of genes that collaborate to make someonegay or straight. Its also likely part hormonal, chemical etc. The exact combination is not known. What is known is that sexuality isnt a choice.
P.S. Men are more likely to be solid GAY than women. Most organiztions say 8-12% of people are gay.
One has a preference because of genetics or because of choosing one. Whether it is one gene or a "host" of them, that is still genetic. How many other ways are there to decide a preference besides the two I mentioned? Basically if it is genetic you don't decide, it is already decided for you. I certainly don't believe that most people are bisexual whether they know it or not. I am as open as anyone especially to my own self and I feel no bisexuality.

And so what if most people are "conditioned" to be heterosexual? It's not like they are forced to be straight. There's not much difference between a man and a (natural) woman. They're both human, both have legs, arms, a head, armpit hair, leg hair, women have in general less buttock hair and less chest hair and less facial hair, but most everything else is the same except one has an 'innie' and one has an 'outie'(and the obvious internal differences). So technically I see your point that there should be no big deal about which sex you prefer. But it certainly feels natural to be hetero. A man and a woman go together like they were designed to go together. Two kielbasas just don't have that natural going-together feeling. I mean I don't think that another man's a$$ was meant by nature to be an equal or a substitute for a woman. Sure there's oral but that's only half the fun you could have.

One out of every 10 people I see are gay? I don't buy it. Maybe in San Fran or New Orleans. If that's the case among the new generation then there's a screw loose somewhere.
Do Me

Girard, PA

#81 Nov 22, 2008
Why do gay couples give a crap about marriage? It's not like you're going to have biological children. Children are the only reason I can think of to politically compicate your life (get married). Gay or not, why does anyone feel the need to have some human pronounce them married? Aren't you married in your heart? That is the only thing that really counts. Who cares what any priest has to say about it? You're the only person who can decide if you are really married or not. If you deeply love someone and you know you will be with them and only them, then you are pretty much married, do they still have common law marriages? Does it work for gays?
Do Me

Girard, PA

#82 Nov 22, 2008
Why does the positive pole of a magnet attract the negative? Because that is the way nature intended it to be.

Actually just because I feel no bisexuality doesn't mean there aren't tons of people out there that do. Definately a crazy world out there, I guess there is nothing wrong with it and so there likewise should not be anything wrong with "conditioning" to be hetero. Why is it a good idea to promote MORE gay when there is already plenty to back up a would be homo? I just don't see me as a parent telling my teenager that it is JUST as acceptable to choose either sex, until it comes to that and I HAVE to confront it.
Terry

Solihull, UK

#83 Nov 23, 2008
Do Me wrote:
Why does the positive pole of a magnet attract the negative? Because that is the way nature intended it to be.
Actually just because I feel no bisexuality doesn't mean there aren't tons of people out there that do. Definately a crazy world out there, I guess there is nothing wrong with it and so there likewise should not be anything wrong with "conditioning" to be hetero. Why is it a good idea to promote MORE gay when there is already plenty to back up a would be homo? I just don't see me as a parent telling my teenager that it is JUST as acceptable to choose either sex, until it comes to that and I HAVE to confront it.
There you go again...you people and your 'choice'.
We are Gay...we were born that way...get used to it!
Terry

Solihull, UK

#84 Nov 23, 2008
Do Me wrote:
Why do gay couples give a crap about marriage? It's not like you're going to have biological children. Children are the only reason I can think of to politically compicate your life (get married). Gay or not, why does anyone feel the need to have some human pronounce them married? Aren't you married in your heart? That is the only thing that really counts. Who cares what any priest has to say about it? You're the only person who can decide if you are really married or not. If you deeply love someone and you know you will be with them and only them, then you are pretty much married, do they still have common law marriages? Does it work for gays?
The issue is about equality. Not everyone who gets married wants children and, these days lots of people have children without getting married. Marriage should be about love.
Madison Reed

Seattle, WA

#85 Nov 23, 2008
Do Me wrote:
Why do gay couples give a crap about marriage? It's not like you're going to have biological children. Children are the only reason I can think of to politically compicate your life (get married). Gay or not, why does anyone feel the need to have some human pronounce them married? Aren't you married in your heart? That is the only thing that really counts. Who cares what any priest has to say about it? You're the only person who can decide if you are really married or not. If you deeply love someone and you know you will be with them and only them, then you are pretty much married, do they still have common law marriages? Does it work for gays?
Do Me wrote:
Why do gay couples give a crap about marriage? It's not like you're going to have biological children. Children are the only reason I can think of to politically compicate your life (get married). Gay or not, why does anyone feel the need to have some human pronounce them married? Aren't you married in your heart? That is the only thing that really counts. Who cares what any priest has to say about it? You're the only person who can decide if you are really married or not. If you deeply love someone and you know you will be with them and only them, then you are pretty much married, do they still have common law marriages? Does it work for gays?
Besides the fact that America's promise is to guarantee and protect the fundamental God-given rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL people - Were you aware that the the word "marriage" is defined in the federal law, and to receive hundreds of state level conferred benefits and more than 1,100 benefits that fall under federal jurisdiction, the relationship that you have with your partner depends upon whether your are "married" as defined in the federal law? The benefits tied to meeting the federal definition of marriage, cover the gamut of vitally important areas of human life, such as insurance, inheritance, taxation, social security and family unification through immigration.

Due to the passage of the hateful Defense of Marriage Act, encouraged and supported by President Bill Clinton, the federal law (not the Constitution), limits the definition of marriage to between a man and a woman. By doing this, the federal government immediately severed millions of Americans who have families that cannot meet the new marriage definition, from receiving benefits that are absolutely vital to their security, health, freedom, and financial well-being! Think about it - how many truly devoted family relationships exist without marriage! In the case of non-heterosexual Americans, we are the only class denied the right to marry, and therefore denied all the associated state and federal benefits. So living a normal life is not possible for us. We are always at a disadvantage. And this is absolutely intolerable, and has nothing to do with America.

Make no mistake though, this possible all out war between two civilizations isn't only over state and federal benefits. At its foundation is the fight for equality and human rights, the separation of church and state, and the right for human beings to freely live according to their beliefs, without fear that a majority group will force their way of life upon them. Did you see my recent news piece about the separation of church and state with the Martin Sheen video? Let no one ever fool you; originally, America was crystal clear about the wall of separation that must be between church and state. Only through the gradual dumbing down of the American people, and the corollary rise of biblical indoctrination, have we reached the point that so many people see no problem with the mixing of government and religion. The tide must be reversed, or we are going to destroy the way of life for most people.

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