Transgender woman to compete in Miss ...

Transgender woman to compete in Miss California pageant

There are 17 comments on the Boston.com story from Jan 19, 2013, titled Transgender woman to compete in Miss California pageant. In it, Boston.com reports that:

History will be made this weekend when Kylan Arianna Wenzel, 26, competes in the Miss California USA pageant.

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#1 Jan 19, 2013
Very pretty woman.

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Central NJ

#2 Jan 19, 2013
It's Great! It's great if she wins or if she doesn't!
She's in it! We're being accepted!
Regards, Terri

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#3 Jan 19, 2013
TerryE wrote:
It's Great! It's great if she wins or if she doesn't!
She's in it! We're being accepted!
Regards, Terri
I'm wondering,is she non-op?

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#4 Jan 19, 2013
@ Terry your Comment wherein you claim that "we're" being accepted only rings true if you have like she has been diagnosis as GID and are pursuing a SOC transition.

@ Stephmar If your read the story you'd known she is Pre-op as she state she quit her job and moved her surgery up sox month to make the deadline to enter the contest, for you see you must be "Post-op" to be allowed to enter No pre-ops or Non-ops allowed, which means No transgender allowed only post-op Transsexuals who have completed the transition to a whole women. This is still a step forward, as before they only allowed natural born women.

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#5 Jan 19, 2013
Brandi Parker wrote:
@ Terry your Comment wherein you claim that "we're" being accepted only rings true if you have like she has been diagnosis as GID and are pursuing a SOC transition.
@ Stephmar If your read the story you'd known she is Pre-op as she state she quit her job and moved her surgery up sox month to make the deadline to enter the contest, for you see you must be "Post-op" to be allowed to enter No pre-ops or Non-ops allowed, which means No transgender allowed only post-op Transsexuals who have completed the transition to a whole women. This is still a step forward, as before they only allowed natural born women.
Thank you, Brandi. I missed that in the article;and,wasn't aware of the restiction.
charrie

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#6 Jan 21, 2013
Brandi Parker wrote:
@ Terry your Comment wherein you claim that "we're" being accepted only rings true if you have like she has been diagnosis as GID and are pursuing a SOC transition.
@ Stephmar If your read the story you'd known she is Pre-op as she state she quit her job and moved her surgery up sox month to make the deadline to enter the contest, for you see you must be "Post-op" to be allowed to enter No pre-ops or Non-ops allowed, which means No transgender allowed only post-op Transsexuals who have completed the transition to a whole women. This is still a step forward, as before they only allowed natural born women.
does it take
a doctor to tell you if you're a man or woman?

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Central NJ

#7 Jan 22, 2013
No, But the medical industry in very involved with the process of Transition and because the laws, you sometimes need a lawyer to get things done. Few people will automatically help you, but many will stand in your way.
Regards, Terri
charrie wrote:
<quoted text> does it take
a doctor to tell you if you're a man or woman?

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#8 Jan 22, 2013
charrie wrote:
<quoted text> does it take
a doctor to tell you if you're a man or woman?
Obviously most individuals have a sense from a young age that they are somehow different and theres a whole host of reasons why would not only want but need a professional counselor to help them sort out their feelings.

Included in the DSMV there exist a host of different conditions. This may be news to you but not everyone who desires to put on a dress is GID (Gender Identity Dysphoric ) and not everyone is meant to transition, for some transition is a bad move and can lead down a very disastrous path and not to the happiness they thought it would. Finding out which diagnosis fits ones particular symptoms is one place a counselor can help. They can also help one understand their feelings and give support when the outside world makes life hard. They can offer a treatment plan whether it's transition or just a plan for how to handle ones condition.

Likewise they can write prescriptions if medication is needed and of course if transition is the right plan they can help one smoothly transverse the steps to a healthily SOC transition. They can help one find doctors who are trained or who are willing to take on a transitioning patient. Lastly as most everyone knowns two letters of recommendation is required for GRS surgery and a counselor can help with obtaining these letters. So as you now see your comment was very....well "Stupid" and that there are many things a counselor can do to help someone.
charrie

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#9 Jan 22, 2013
Brandi Parker wrote:
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Obviously most individuals have a sense from a young age that they are somehow different and theres a whole host of reasons why would not only want but need a professional counselor to help them sort out their feelings.
Included in the DSMV there exist a host of different conditions. This may be news to you but not everyone who desires to put on a dress is GID (Gender Identity Dysphoric ) and not everyone is meant to transition, for some transition is a bad move and can lead down a very disastrous path and not to the happiness they thought it would. Finding out which diagnosis fits ones particular symptoms is one place a counselor can help. They can also help one understand their feelings and give support when the outside world makes life hard. They can offer a treatment plan whether it's transition or just a plan for how to handle ones condition.
Likewise they can write prescriptions if medication is needed and of course if transition is the right plan they can help one smoothly transverse the steps to a healthily SOC transition. They can help one find doctors who are trained or who are willing to take on a transitioning patient. Lastly as most everyone knowns two letters of recommendation is required for GRS surgery and a counselor can help with obtaining these letters. So as you now see your comment was very....well "Stupid" and that there are many things a counselor can do to help someone.
my brother is in a small city in mexico an knowd nothing of these thingd i eas asking for my brother. Treir is no one there to ask about this and no money for the doctors if there are any for this

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#10 Jan 25, 2013
TerryE wrote:
No, But the medical industry in very involved with the process of Transition and because the laws, you sometimes need a lawyer to get things done. Few people will automatically help you, but many will stand in your way.
Regards, Terri
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Terry,I agree. Also,in my opinion,an adult should know by the time she is an adult that she is a women. It isn't necessary for someone to tell me that I am a woman. It isn't that difficult to figure out if one is a women. For twomen,it isn't even a matter of choice. Gender is conferred from birth.

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#11 Jan 25, 2013
Brandi Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously most individuals have a sense from a young age that they are somehow different and theres a whole host of reasons why would not only want but need a professional counselor to help them sort out their feelings.
Included in the DSMV there exist a host of different conditions. This may be news to you but not everyone who desires to put on a dress is GID (Gender Identity Dysphoric ) and not everyone is meant to transition, for some transition is a bad move and can lead down a very disastrous path and not to the happiness they thought it would. Finding out which diagnosis fits ones particular symptoms is one place a counselor can help. They can also help one understand their feelings and give support when the outside world makes life hard. They can offer a treatment plan whether it's transition or just a plan for how to handle ones condition.
Likewise they can write prescriptions if medication is needed and of course if transition is the right plan they can help one smoothly transverse the steps to a healthily SOC transition. They can help one find doctors who are trained or who are willing to take on a transitioning patient. Lastly as most everyone knowns two letters of recommendation is required for GRS surgery and a counselor can help with obtaining these letters. So as you now see your comment was very....well "Stupid" and that there are many things a counselor can do to help someone.
Brandi, NO civilized Nation requires GRS {including orchiectomy} for legal change of sexual identity. Sweden recently stopped requiring the latter. Gender identity is not the result of a disorder;it is who we are from birth,regardless of sex. I wear female clothing;because,I am a women. I don't need anyone to confirm this. I don't need GRS to convince me or Society who I am. No,I do not support GRS, for twomen,in the manner it is currently done. If one feels that a vagina is necessary;then ADD it. Penis removal is about as necessary as circumcision;and in my opinion, equally ludicrous.

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#12 Jan 25, 2013
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>Brandi, NO civilized Nation requires GRS {including orchiectomy} for legal change of sexual identity. Sweden recently stopped requiring the latter. Gender identity is not the result of a disorder;it is who we are from birth,regardless of sex. I wear female clothing;because,I am a women. I don't need anyone to confirm this. I don't need GRS to convince me or Society who I am. No,I do not support GRS, for twomen,in the manner it is currently done. If one feels that a vagina is necessary;then ADD it. Penis removal is about as necessary as circumcision;and in my opinion, equally ludicrous.
Stepmar while your entitled to your own opinion I can assure you that just because your wear women's clothes and present as a women in public that in no way makes you a women. There a difference between "being" a women and living "as" one I can also assure you that your local court system, police dept, DMV, State Legislature, and State Government still consider you a male regardless of what you think or feel or what you believe. They don't recognize how you dress or how you feel or really care what you think they care about whats on your birth certificate and that in their opinion this is the sole contributor to determining your gender/sex

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#13 Jan 25, 2013
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>Brandi, NO civilized Nation requires GRS {including orchiectomy} for legal change of sexual identity. Sweden recently stopped requiring the latter. Gender identity is not the result of a disorder;it is who we are from birth,regardless of sex. I wear female clothing;because,I am a women. I don't need anyone to confirm this. I don't need GRS to convince me or Society who I am. No,I do not support GRS, for twomen,in the manner it is currently done. If one feels that a vagina is necessary;then ADD it. Penis removal is about as necessary as circumcision;and in my opinion, equally ludicrous.
Oh Also almost EVERY country in the world requires Proof of GRS before changing official documentation i.e.: Birth Certificates

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#14 Jan 25, 2013
Brandi Parker wrote:
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Oh Also almost EVERY country in the world requires Proof of GRS before changing official documentation i.e.: Birth Certificates
Sweden does not.

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#15 Jan 25, 2013
Brandi Parker wrote:
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Stepmar while your entitled to your own opinion I can assure you that just because your wear women's clothes and present as a women in public that in no way makes you a women. There a difference between "being" a women and living "as" one I can also assure you that your local court system, police dept, DMV, State Legislature, and State Government still consider you a male regardless of what you think or feel or what you believe. They don't recognize how you dress or how you feel or really care what you think they care about whats on your birth certificate and that in their opinion this is the sole contributor to determining your gender/sex
Birth certificate indicates sex;not gender. Laws prohibiting transexual discrimination are being passed in most States. GRS does not make a woman, a woman. GRS has absolutely nothing to do with Gender Identity. GRS is nothing more than a confirmation to Social standards;however, the standards are wrong. This isn't me saying this;check out JAMA.

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#16 Jan 25, 2013
STEPHMAR wrote:
<quoted text>Birth certificate indicates sex;not gender. Laws prohibiting transexual discrimination are being passed in most States. GRS does not make a woman, a woman. GRS has absolutely nothing to do with Gender Identity. GRS is nothing more than a confirmation to Social standards;however, the standards are wrong. This isn't me saying this;check out JAMA.
Actually your wrong again Non-discrimnation laws have been passed in 6 states and not "Most" of the country as you state. Also GRS has everything to do with Gender Identity as it is according to the DMSV the "Sure" for Gender Dysphoria for as they say surgery helps transform the individuals body to the gender they see them selfs as and removes the dysphoria.

Also I said almost "EVERY" place in the world so your example of Sweden would fall into the "Almost every" Category.

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#17 Jan 27, 2013
Brandi Parker wrote:
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Actually your wrong again Non-discrimnation laws have been passed in 6 states and not "Most" of the country as you state. Also GRS has everything to do with Gender Identity as it is according to the DMSV the "Sure" for Gender Dysphoria for as they say surgery helps transform the individuals body to the gender they see them selfs as and removes the dysphoria.
Also I said almost "EVERY" place in the world so your example of Sweden would fall into the "Almost every" Category.
HI! Brandi.

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