Affordable housing for gay seniors opens in Pa.

Jan 13, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WOI

No matter that he's 70 years old. Zeft had landed a coveted spot in a new affordable housing complex for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender seniors in the heart of downtown Philadelphia.

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Why are you special to be gay and old?
You might as well ask "Why is every soldier called a hero now?"

What is so heroic about a man (or woman) who spent their years in the military cooking in the mess hall?

Are they as much a hero as someone who got a bronze star or the Congressional Medal of Honor?

Don't misunderstand me, I have great respect for anyone who joins the military. They are all heroes to some degree. It's just that being called a hero USED TO MEAN you actually DID SOMETHING HEROIC.

These gay seniors are just like the blacks who lived under Jim Crow. They endured decades of discrimination. To me that makes them special.

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They do. By having a "well-defined target market" what normal person would want to live there?
A normal person who liked that neighborhood, who needed affordable housing, and who did not share your abnormal animus toward gays. BTW: There already are such tenants.
The baker didn't only bake wedding cakes and he sold his products to gays, just not gay wedding cakes.
And the restaurants in the fifties served black people, just not in the front of the restaurant.
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DNF wrote:
<quoted text>You might as well ask "Why is every soldier called a hero now?"

What is so heroic about a man (or woman) who spent their years in the military cooking in the mess hall?

Are they as much a hero as someone who got a bronze star or the Congressional Medal of Honor?

Don't misunderstand me, I have great respect for anyone who joins the military. They are all heroes to some degree. It's just that being called a hero USED TO MEAN you actually DID SOMETHING HEROIC.

These gay seniors are just like the blacks who lived under Jim Crow. They endured decades of discrimination. To me that makes them special.
Being gay and being black and the struggles of both, are not the same. I know it's hip to compare the gay struggle to black civil rights, but it's different. Blacks were lynched, beaten and burned alive for being black. Signs hung in town businesses stating "No blacks allowed". No gay person has ever been through that. You can hide gay. You can't hide your color. So no, an old gay person is only special to their family.

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Being gay and being black and the struggles of both, are not the same. I know it's hip to compare the gay struggle to black civil rights, but it's different. Blacks were lynched, beaten and burned alive for being black. Signs hung in town businesses stating "No blacks allowed". No gay person has ever been through that. You can hide gay. You can't hide your color. So no, an old gay person is only special to their family.
No gay person has been through that? Really? Gays never had laws passed against them that prevented them from marrying?

Matt Sheppard wasn't beaten and tied to a fence nearly naked in winter?

James Byrd wasn't tied up and dragged by a car? The Nazi Death Camps didn't include gays?

want more examples? How about the mother whose son was beaten so badly by his fellow soldiers she had to identify him by his tattoos?

You want victims? Fine
Gay Hate Crime Faces & Stories
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

I can assure you that every family of any of these people felt the same pain an outrage blacks felt as they watched the same thing happen to their loved ones.

EVERY black organization that matters agrees that gays have suffered much like they did.

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Being gay and being black and the struggles of both, are not the same. I know it's hip to compare the gay struggle to black civil rights, but it's different. Blacks were lynched, beaten and burned alive for being black. Signs hung in town businesses stating "No blacks allowed". No gay person has ever been through that. You can hide gay. You can't hide your color. So no, an old gay person is only special to their family.
We have been through PRECISELY THAT.

You just never heard about it because the news didn't cover it.

Learn.

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Being gay and being black and the struggles of both, are not the same. I know it's hip to compare the gay struggle to black civil rights, but it's different. Blacks were lynched, beaten and burned alive for being black. Signs hung in town businesses stating "No blacks allowed". No gay person has ever been through that. You can hide gay. You can't hide your color. So no, an old gay person is only special to their family.
I don't know how old you are and you don't know my age. I grew up during the Civil Rights struggle of the 60's so I am pretty familiar with what went on.

Just as blacks did, I too was denied housing because I was gay. I was beaten nearly to death just like many black males were. I faced job discrimination just as blacks have.

Like snyper said, perhaps you are unfamiliar with historical facts. So learn.

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Being gay and being black and the struggles of both, are not the same.....
How so?

In the very recent past it was ILLEGAL to be gay. Your private sex acts were criminal. You could be committed to a an asylum and forced to undergo painful "cures". You could be fired (and still can be) just for being gay, and evicted from your home.

If someone suspected you were gay, you were at risk of being beaten, or even killed. Your family would (and still sometimes do) disown you. Your friends would shun you.

The government and the law viewed you as less than human, degenerate, and evil, and a danger to national security, and to children, regardless of the type of lifestyle you choose.

If you did manage to find a soul mate out there, you needed to hide it, lie, and live in fear. No public recognition. No Marriage. A hidden family life.

And ALL for a natural and harmless trait that you didn't choose and can't change. And you say the struggles are not similar?

If these seniors feel safer and more comfortable in an environment that makes them feel secure, then they should be allowed to have that. Hopefully, the younger generations won't need to do that.

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<quoted text>I don't know how old you are and you don't know my age. I grew up during the Civil Rights struggle of the 60's so I am pretty familiar with what went on.
Just as blacks did, I too was denied housing because I was gay. I was beaten nearly to death just like many black males were. I faced job discrimination just as blacks have.
Like snyper said, perhaps you are unfamiliar with historical facts. So learn.
I could tell you horror stories about my youth, but I prefer to forget them. Well, that's impossible, but I do try to push them to the back of my mind, and just live with the physical effects of them. But the trolls who post here don't want to hear about it, and admit that we have suffered greatly. The only true difference is in the numbers of the groups involved, which means nothing in regard to justice and injustice. What did Jesus say? Something to the effect of "What you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me". And I'm not even a Christian.
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<quoted text>We have been through PRECISELY THAT.

You just never heard about it because the news didn't cover it.

Learn.
No you haven't. Being gay is the same thing as being black in the history of this country? Is that what your trying to say? My grandmother is 92 and grew up in Charleston South Carolina. My mother is a member of the NAACP. Going on 30 years now. There is NOTHING you can tell me about civil rights and being treated unfairly in this country. Your struggles are your struggles. Don't compare them to mine or my people. Apples and Oranges.
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Quest wrote:
<quoted text>How so?

In the very recent past it was ILLEGAL to be gay. Your private sex acts were criminal. You could be committed to a an asylum and forced to undergo painful "cures". You could be fired (and still can be) just for being gay, and evicted from your home.

If someone suspected you were gay, you were at risk of being beaten, or even killed. Your family would (and still sometimes do) disown you. Your friends would shun you.

The government and the law viewed you as less than human, degenerate, and evil, and a danger to national security, and to children, regardless of the type of lifestyle you choose.

If you did manage to find a soul mate out there, you needed to hide it, lie, and live in fear. No public recognition. No Marriage. A hidden family life.

And ALL for a natural and harmless trait that you didn't choose and can't change. And you say the struggles are not similar?

If these seniors feel safer and more comfortable in an environment that makes them feel secure, then they should be allowed to have that. Hopefully, the younger generations won't need to do that.
No. Being black is who you are. I can't hide being black. This country in its constitution labeled blacks as 3/5 a person. When has any gay person not been able to vote? Denied service in a store because you're gay, legally? Can't sit next to heterosexuals at a lunch counter because you're gay, legally? Never.

You are incorrect about it being illegal being gay. Sodomy laws were found to be unconstitutional in 2003, not being homosexual.

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No you haven't. Being gay is the same thing as being black in the history of this country? Is that what your trying to say? My grandmother is 92 and grew up in Charleston South Carolina. My mother is a member of the NAACP. Going on 30 years now. There is NOTHING you can tell me about civil rights and being treated unfairly in this country. Your struggles are your struggles. Don't compare them to mine or my people. Apples and Oranges.
Have you or your mother discussed this with the leaders of the NAACP? You might be in for a shock. Oh, and by the way, I am a white gay man who joined the NAACP in 1964, and am still a member.

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Does that make you feel as though should be treated special now?? What happened back then has nothing to do with today. Different times, different people. I don't owe a thing.
Treated special? No. Treated Equal? Yes. It's not costing you anything.
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DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know how old you are and you don't know my age. I grew up during the Civil Rights struggle of the 60's so I am pretty familiar with what went on.

Just as blacks did, I too was denied housing because I was gay. I was beaten nearly to death just like many black males were. I faced job discrimination just as blacks have.

Like snyper said, perhaps you are unfamiliar with historical facts. So learn.
I've been black a long time. Long enough to know that the gay struggles although hard and ugly, do not compare to the struggles of my people. There is no fight here. It's just the facts. Let me know when you are denied voting rights because you're gay. Let me know when an amendment is made or law is written to label you 3/5 a person in this country for being gay. Let me know when they put signs on restaurants and water fountains saying "Heterosexuals Only".

I have friends that are gay of all colors and nationalities. If you care about someone's sexual orientation, then you're an asshole. I concern myself with a persons character. You're struggle is hard, but hardly compares to black civil rights.
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<quoted text>Have you or your mother discussed this with the leaders of the NAACP? You might be in for a shock. Oh, and by the way, I am a white gay man who joined the NAACP in 1964, and am still a member.
Shocked how? I certainly can't tell you how to be gay, so in turn I'll be black the way I was brought up. I have no problems with the what you're trying to accomplish. Gay marriage? Absolutely. Partners insurance coverage? Absolutely. My job offers same sex insurance. Your struggles are tough, but not black civil rights tough.
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Christsharian Deelite wrote:
<quoted text>They don't have to be the same in order for there to be relevant commonalities.

Of course we now know that "race" is more of a social construct than is (intrinsic) sexual orientation, among other things.

And we know many groups are protected from arbitrary discrimination on the basis of characteristics that are far less intrinsic than either race or sexual orientation - such as religious belief or veteran's status.

Would you like to drop your attempted line of argument and just come right out and say you hate glbt people? Is that what's on your mind?(Not that we know you're African American, or not an out and out racist.)
Of course it's relevant. Just not the same. Your attempt to make me look homophobic or look like a gay bashing racist, is moot.

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Shocked how? I certainly can't tell you how to be gay, so in turn I'll be black the way I was brought up. I have no problems with the what you're trying to accomplish. Gay marriage? Absolutely. Partners insurance coverage? Absolutely. My job offers same sex insurance. Your struggles are tough, but not black civil rights tough.
I agree, mostly. But rather than focus on the differences, I focus on the parallels. It used to be difficult to do that due to the indignities and beatings I suffered. But these days, 40+ years later, I prefer to focus on equality for all people, and not let myself get hung up on the differences between those peoples, for that is what empowers those that wish to discriminate. I mean what I say in the little motto below my user identification.

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No you haven't. Being gay is the same thing as being black in the history of this country? Is that what your trying to say?
None of us have ever claimed that being black is the same as being gay. We merely point out that discrimination often manifests itself in similar ways.
My grandmother is 92 and grew up in Charleston South Carolina. My mother is a member of the NAACP. Going on 30 years now. There is NOTHING you can tell me about civil rights and being treated unfairly in this country. Your struggles are your struggles. Don't compare them to mine or my people. Apples and Oranges.
You do realize that the NAACP takes exactly the opposite view that you do, right? Apparently, you have a LOT to learn about discrimination in this country.

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I've been black a long time. Long enough to know that the gay struggles although hard and ugly, do not compare to the struggles of my people.
You have a lot to learn. And you foolishly play a tool of those who oppose anybody's civil rights: Divide and conquer has always been their strategy. In the twentieth century, they played the Jews against the black. Now they play the gays against everyone else. And you fall willingly into their trap.

Here's what the NAACP, which you referenced, actually has to say on civil rights:

HRC presenting Ben Jealous equality award at 2012 dinner: http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Julian Bond explains the importance of civil rights for everyone to each of our communities: http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Coretta Scott King speaks at Atlanta Pride: http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Darryl Stephens talks about NAACP award http://www.youtube.com/watch...

NoMoreDownlow reports on NAACP 2011 convention: http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Perhaps you should take note of the great civil rights leader whose life we celebrate this week: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." You should learn from your own movement, not imagine that you are more important than those who secured the freedoms that you do have.
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None of us have ever claimed that being black is the same as being gay. We merely point out that discrimination often manifests itself in similar ways.

[QUOTE] My grandmother is 92 and grew up in Charleston South Carolina. My mother is a member of the NAACP. Going on 30 years now. There is NOTHING you can tell me about civil rights and being treated unfairly in this country. Your struggles are your struggles. Don't compare them to mine or my people. Apples and Oranges."

You do realize that the NAACP takes exactly the opposite view that you do, right? Apparently, you have a LOT to learn about discrimination in this country.
The only reason I mentioned the NAACP is to inform you on where my lineage and knowledge of what the black struggle was. Don't forget, The NAACP endorsed gay marriage in 2012.

Maybe you should learn about facts in this country.
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<quoted text>I agree, mostly. But rather than focus on the differences, I focus on the parallels. It used to be difficult to do that due to the indignities and beatings I suffered. But these days, 40+ years later, I prefer to focus on equality for all people, and not let myself get hung up on the differences between those peoples, for that is what empowers those that wish to discriminate. I mean what I say in the little motto below my user identification.
Agreed. Struggles are what they are. I just don't think they are the same as my grandparents suffered under racist laws in this country.

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