Transgender people force debate on bathroom use

Mar 20, 2013 Full story: channelone.com 15

Arizona lawmakers want to prohibit anyone not associated with their birth gender from using public restrooms, showers and dressing rooms in the nation's latest tussle over equal rights for transgender people.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1 Mar 20, 2013
Okay, for decades everything was fine with them using the facilities based on the gender they identify with, but now all of a sudden people are throwing a fit .... the only thing that seems to have changed is that the bigots are just being bigger bullies.

“Don't steal my happy”

Since: Aug 12

Shelbyville, Ky.

#2 Mar 20, 2013
Regardless of genitalia, or chromosomes, there's NO WAY any transitioning (pre-op) TS could get away with using a public restroom that matches their birth gender, it's a friggin' joke. They'd wind up being arrested for that as well. These geniuses are always quick to propose restrictions, instead of doing the intelligent thing, which is proposing a viable solution to the issue that THEY have a problem with.

Ex. Requiring public facilities to provide an adequate amount of unisex restrooms,etc. Problem solved.

Restriction, restriction, restriction, restriction.

"Land of the free"???

Also, these people really need to just get past the myth that trans people have ill-intentions when entering public restrooms and whatnot. They should realize that this is difficult and uncomfortable for us too.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#3 Mar 20, 2013
Angel Diva wrote:
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Also, these people really need to just get past the myth that trans people have ill-intentions when entering public restrooms and whatnot. They should realize that this is difficult and uncomfortable for us too.
This is actually a projection of theirs, those who make such an assumption are, themselves, guilty of using the facilities for purposes other than those intended of them. Which just makes them all that much more sad when you consider they're being bigots with their projecting.
Reagan

Dallas, GA

#4 Mar 20, 2013
I wonder if you will be forced to carry your birth certificate around in order to use the restroom. This is yet another reason that the term transgender and transsexual needs separation. Because the term transgender includes everything under the sun as far as gender nonconforming people that doesn't necessarily represent the transsexual population. I see it like this... Transsexuals are born into the wrong body and to medically treat them they transition to the other sex. Usually taking hormones and having their bodies altered to match the sex that they identify as. Then you have cross-dressers. They tend to dress part-time and usually hold on to their birth sexual identity and and only cross-dress for enjoyment or their own personal pleasure. They for all intent and purpose are their biological gender and sex. This is where the population gets the man in a dress fear from. So I agree that a man in a dress a.k.a. a cross-dresser should not be allowed the same protections as transsexuals. I also feel that having everyone share the same umbrella term is actually doing transsexuals more harm than good.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#5 Mar 20, 2013
As you say, Transgender covers everything gender nonconforming. However, I know a person who's run the full gamut from Gay, Transvestite, to Post op Transexual. This is not uncommon. A good part of this problem comes from the fact that so much of it is self diagnosed, not subject to testing.
Regards, Terri
Reagan wrote:
I wonder if you will be forced to carry your birth certificate around in order to use the restroom. This is yet another reason that the term transgender and transsexual needs separation. Because the term transgender includes everything under the sun as far as gender nonconforming people that doesn't necessarily represent the transsexual population. I see it like this... Transsexuals are born into the wrong body and to medically treat them they transition to the other sex. Usually taking hormones and having their bodies altered to match the sex that they identify as. Then you have cross-dressers. They tend to dress part-time and usually hold on to their birth sexual identity and and only cross-dress for enjoyment or their own personal pleasure. They for all intent and purpose are their biological gender and sex. This is where the population gets the man in a dress fear from. So I agree that a man in a dress a.k.a. a cross-dresser should not be allowed the same protections as transsexuals. I also feel that having everyone share the same umbrella term is actually doing transsexuals more harm than good.

Since: Jul 08

Roanoke, VA

#6 Mar 20, 2013
TerryE wrote:
As you say, Transgender covers everything gender nonconforming. However, I know a person who's run the full gamut from Gay, Transvestite, to Post op Transexual. This is not uncommon. A good part of this problem comes from the fact that so much of it is self diagnosed, not subject to testing.
Regards, Terri
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Terry You assertion that it's not uncommon for someone to run the gambit from gay to transvestite to post-op transsexual is outlandish and untrue, however I agree that there isa huge problem with people self diagnosing and that is due mostly to the fact they don't want to hear from a medical professional that they don't meet the criteria of GID and thus don't need to transition to the opposite gender.

I have long complained about diagnosis transsexuals being lumped in with non-op transgender, cross dressers, drag queens and transvestites, the needs of these individuals are not the same as those of a diagnosis transitioning transsexual despite the fact that many of these individuals self medicate with internet hormones go overseas to obtain body altering surgeries where letters of recommendation aren't necessary. These individuals self transition out of their own desire to be the opposite sex not because they were born in the wrong body not because they have the brain gender of the opposite gender and not because they have a medically diagnosis need to. I fully agree with Regan that Transsexuals should be granted rights not given to individuals who haven't completed a diagnosis transition.

The problem today is that the transgender community has subverted the GID diagnosis and without any medical verification to include themselves and have used their weight to force their agenda upon many states gov and city councils to force changes to rules,laws and guidelines to include people who haven't had gender changing surgery and people who have no intention of having said surgery that is what has caused this huge issue over bathrooms locker rooms and women private spaces.....it's wrong in my opinion and i do not support it.
Reagan

Dallas, GA

#7 Mar 20, 2013
Terry i can understand and respect that. I"m in no position to judge someone That said... I do understand that some cross-dressers and drag performers are really transsexuals and later transition. I guess what I'm saying is that until one is diagnosed by what ever means and begins hormone therapy or begins their transition they should not be allowed the same protections. As a trans-woman I sometimes get a little offended that CD's tend to make a mockery of my situation. They inadvertently create hurdles such as the bathroom issue and it doesn't seem fair that they can just switch back and forth as they see fit and we transsexuals are left dealing with their carelessness. I have a couple of "friends" that are CD's and know of plenty more. They are all straight men some with families and dress without anyone they know knowing about it. They don't look like a woman or act like them either because they aren't. They are men... Whereas I'm a woman born differently and it bothers me and most other trans-women I know to be categorized with this way. To be left handling their negative stigma while they go back to their families and jobs and leave us hanging as the freaks they portray us in the public eye!
TerryE wrote:
As you say, Transgender covers everything gender nonconforming. However, I know a person who's run the full gamut from Gay, Transvestite, to Post op Transexual. This is not uncommon. A good part of this problem comes from the fact that so much of it is self diagnosed, not subject to testing.
Regards, Terri
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“Don't steal my happy”

Since: Aug 12

Shelbyville, Ky.

#8 Mar 20, 2013
This is a very sensitive, inter-trans issue, and needs to be handled carefully, but I do agree that there may need to be some level of separation on certain issues. This is not to say we no longer wish to be supportive of each other, because we definitely still need to stick together as a whole. The thing is though that it is a different story when one can go home, and with a change of clothes, represent their birth gender again. I mean, if that's all you want from life, and that's all that it takes to for you to feel right with yourself, then that's great, but please try to have some respect for those of us that aren't ok with that life, and have moved well past the use of that safety net. We can't change back. This is a much more sensitive fight for us. And if any one sub-division of our group tries to shoot ahead with what rights they want without considering what's best for the entire group, then the entire group will fail. Thought and consideration MUST be taken, if the rest of the world is to take us seriously, instead of just, "gi'me, gi'me, gi'me".

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#9 Mar 20, 2013
Brandi, I don't make up stories just to have something to write! One individual who "progressed" this way was the very public, Chaz Bono. He ran the gamut from Lesbian to fully post op. We know we're unhappy, but we don't know why or what it will take to make us happy. We find out as we go along.
So! What do we do about someone who is in transition? They are neither fish nor fowl! Yet they still have to relieve themselves. More public education? Teach John Q. that the funny looking "Girl" who just went into the Ladies room really is just a Transexual in training and means no harm. That someday she will look just like every other woman. I don't know! Or should we make so if you can't fool a gynecologist, then use the Mens room, No matter what you're wearing! You decide!
Regards, Terri

Since: Jul 08

Roanoke, VA

#13 Mar 21, 2013
Sparklestrips4u wrote:
<quoted text>your an elitest piece of sh!t Sir!!! Manty transsexuals don't have access to the things you did.. Sir!!!
Why do I have to be an elitist ?....Am I not entitled to my own opinion even if it differs from yours ? Why do you feel the need to strike out at me by addressing me as "Sir" simple because I don't agree with you. Disagreeing with you doesn't make me wrong as you stated it simple me we see the issue differently, but for some reason you can't just read my post and disagree you have to attack me online as if you feel threatened by my post or you think that someone will see, read and agree with my opinion. This show a real sense of insecurity on your part, I think maybe you should go talk to someone.

Regards

Since: Jul 08

Roanoke, VA

#15 Mar 21, 2013
Sparklestrips4u wrote:
<quoted text>Dd it ever occur to you that not all transsexuals have the luxery of having 25,000 to 50,000 just laying around to complete their surgeries... Considering many can't even find employment and escort to eat... And sorry honey but American Doctors do not know sh!t about transsexuals and the girl who transtitions on her own is every bit as much of a transesxual as you and your special diagnosed one... I would argue MORE... they didn't need someone to approve them as you did
Well let me begin Sparkle Stripper by saying that in my opinion an individual can't just decide to call ones self a transsexual it is a term associated with the diagnosis of GID, so that would contradict your assertion that there are transsexual who have 1) Diagnosis themselves and 2) That they meet the criteria of a GID transsexual. Also let me say that while I'm sure there are diagnosis transsexuals who don't have the funds to complete transition they are in my opinion a minority within a minority that is trans people in general are a minority and true transsexuals are a even smaller minority within the trans minority. The vast majority of trans people who can't afford transition are the transgender individuals most of whom don't want to complete or finish the transitional process, but instead wish to transform themselves into shemales to meet some preconceived desire perfect female image they hold in their head. I on the contrary didn't need someone to "Approve" me as you put it I wanted a professional diagnosis before I may such a huge and life changing decision. This is something any sane and prudent person would consider a logical step and not one fueled by desire but out of true concern for what one is feeling.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#20 Mar 21, 2013
Brandi Parker wrote:
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Well let me begin Sparkle Stripper by saying that in my opinion an individual can't just decide to call ones self a transsexual it is a term associated with the diagnosis of GID, so that would contradict your assertion that there are transsexual who have 1) Diagnosis themselves and 2) That they meet the criteria of a GID transsexual. Also let me say that while I'm sure there are diagnosis transsexuals who don't have the funds to complete transition they are in my opinion a minority within a minority that is trans people in general are a minority and true transsexuals are a even smaller minority within the trans minority. The vast majority of trans people who can't afford transition are the transgender individuals most of whom don't want to complete or finish the transitional process, but instead wish to transform themselves into shemales to meet some preconceived desire perfect female image they hold in their head. I on the contrary didn't need someone to "Approve" me as you put it I wanted a professional diagnosis before I may such a huge and life changing decision. This is something any sane and prudent person would consider a logical step and not one fueled by desire but out of true concern for what one is feeling.
Nope, Sparkles is correct, you are dead wrong.

Since: Apr 10

Williston, ND

#22 Mar 21, 2013
the "Bathroom bill" has passed in many states the first one was MN over 20 years ago, and includes the state of Colorado over 5 years ago. There have been ZERO issues that the naysayers and doom and gloom people said there would be. In the State of Colorado, home of the known anti LGBT group Focus on the Family, does anyone really think that even a minor issue wouldn't be publicized. The only bathroom issue I know of in Colorado was STRAGHT MAN hiding in a port-a-john tank taking pictures of women, using the right wing logic STRAGHT MALES represent the threat not trans people. Oh by the way women DO NOT get naked in the bathroom they mearly expel bodly waiste just like everyone else does in the bathroom.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#23 Mar 21, 2013
That's for staying on topic!
Terri
JessicaDawn wrote:
the "Bathroom bill" has passed in many states the first one was MN over 20 years ago, and includes the state of Colorado over 5 years ago. There have been ZERO issues that the naysayers and doom and gloom people said there would be. In the State of Colorado, home of the known anti LGBT group Focus on the Family, does anyone really think that even a minor issue wouldn't be publicized. The only bathroom issue I know of in Colorado was STRAGHT MAN hiding in a port-a-john tank taking pictures of women, using the right wing logic STRAGHT MALES represent the threat not trans people. Oh by the way women DO NOT get naked in the bathroom they mearly expel bodly waiste just like everyone else does in the bathroom.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#24 Mar 22, 2013
OOOOOOOooppZZ That's THANKS for staying on topic
TerryE wrote:
That's for staying on topic!
Terri
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