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California Takes a Stand Against Gay and Trans Panic Defenses in Criminal Cases

There are 171 comments on the Advocate story from Aug 29, 2014, titled California Takes a Stand Against Gay and Trans Panic Defenses in Criminal Cases. In it, Advocate reports that:

California will likely become the first state in the U.S. to officially bar people in court from using the "trans panic" or "gay panic" defense in court.

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“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#92 Sep 1, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
gender identity is indeed protect by city ordinance in Traverse City, and was affirmed by popular vote in 2011 by a margin of 63%-37%. That mean a transgendered man who identifies as a woman can use the women's bathroom.
Dead wrong. There is no city ordinance that allows a guy to walk into a woman's bathroom. You don't live in my city, I do, and I'm very familiar with its ordinances.

I know you're used to addressing mind numb sheep that believe your drivel, but you're not going to spout lies in front of me, about my community, and expect I'll just overlook them.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#93 Sep 1, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Don't you believe in obeying the law ?
Do you??

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#95 Sep 1, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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I ask, because I'm a New Yorker, and the LAW in New York is that ANY person of ANY gender can use ANY bathroom they wish no matter HOW it is marked. THAT is the LAW.
So if you were to yank someone out of a bathroom, YOU could be criminally charged with assault and battery. But then, you don't want to obey the laws, I guess.
Good for YOU and being a New Yorker. I don't live in New York. Here in northern Michigan they don't have absurd laws that cater to perverts. Where I am, YOU can be criminally charged if YOU waltz into a girls bathroom. THAT is the LAW.

But then you don't want to obey the laws, I guess.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#96 Sep 1, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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Nope. Maybe guys get away with that kind of perversion in your corner of liberal hangouts, but here in the real world you are the one who's gonna need bail money, and the guy dragging you out of the ladies room will get high fives from the cops and the bar buying him drinks the rest of the night.
Till you get your stupid ass sued.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#97 Sep 1, 2014
TomInElPaso wrote:
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Till you get your stupid ass sued.
Never happen, in fact, more like the other way around.
Horace

San Jose, CA

#98 Sep 1, 2014
I see a man going into the ladies room I make sure he's going to the emergency room next.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#103 Sep 1, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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I do when it comes to some dude trying to walk into a girls bathroom...
What is it with bigots and their bathroom fantasies/fetishes??? Do you *really* believe that *anyone* gets cheap thrills from spying on people in bathrooms??? That's a thing you worry about???

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#104 Sep 1, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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Of course. Everything in California is ass backwards.
Here in northern Michigan, you'd be walking home with some bumps and bruises.
By all means!! Beat the crap out of me!! I've always wanted an excuse to sue some dumb-ass bigot for 100 times their net worth and make them spend the rest of their miserable life working to pay off their court-ordered debt to me!!

Where should we meet?? I'll want to get some cameras setup beforehand and have some lawyers and police officers standing by, though, so I'll need a day or two to get ready.

Let's roll!!

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#105 Sep 1, 2014
Horace wrote:
I see a man going into the ladies room I make sure he's going to the emergency room next.
Is that because you follow him in there and blow him until he has a stroke?

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#106 Sep 2, 2014
eJohn wrote:
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By all means!! Beat the crap out of me. I'll need a day or two to get ready.
Let's roll!!
I had a guy wander into the ladies room one night at my local bar, and refused to come out when the girls complained to the bartender. The guy was drunk and ended up getting dragged out by the bouncers and roughed up a little in the alley. He called the cops to report an "assault" and the cops told him to stay out of the woman's bathroom if he didn't want to get throttled. He was banned for life from the bar and told to go home or he would be arrested for disorderly conduct.

That's how things operate in the real world, so if you're serious about getting an education, I'll be at Big Papa's Bar in Traverse City this Friday night around 8:00pm. The girls bathroom is in the back. Be sure and bring your health insurance card.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#107 Sep 2, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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Dead wrong. There is no city ordinance that allows a guy to walk into a woman's bathroom. You don't live in my city, I do, and I'm very familiar with its ordinances.
I know you're used to addressing mind numb sheep that believe your drivel, but you're not going to spout lies in front of me, about my community, and expect I'll just overlook them.
But there is a city ordinance which protects gender identity- which includes public accommodation and the right to use the bathroom which matches the gender a person identifies as.

It was passed by the city commission and affirmed by a public vote in Nov 2011 by a 63%-37% margin.

Chapter 605 of the Traverse City Code of Ordinances.

Look it up doofus.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#108 Sep 2, 2014
Horace wrote:
I see a man going into the ladies room I make sure he's going to the emergency room next.
Oooh, another Topix tough guy weighs in....

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#109 Sep 2, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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I had a guy wander into the ladies room one night at my local bar, and refused to come out when the girls complained to the bartender. The guy was drunk and ended up getting dragged out by the bouncers and roughed up a little in the alley. He called the cops to report an "assault" and the cops told him to stay out of the woman's bathroom if he didn't want to get throttled. He was banned for life from the bar and told to go home or he would be arrested for disorderly conduct.
That's how things operate in the real world, so if you're serious about getting an education, I'll be at Big Papa's Bar in Traverse City this Friday night around 8:00pm. The girls bathroom is in the back. Be sure and bring your health insurance card.
That's hardly the same as a transgendered person using the bathroom which corresponds to their gender identity.

No one is saying any man can use the women's bathroom for any reason.

This deals specifically with gender identity of transgendered individuals; not your average drunk hetero male pervert.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#110 Sep 2, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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See last post.
Not everyone in Michigan is a bigot like you and the other bigots you obviously hang out with.
That's not relative to the topic at hand.

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#111 Sep 2, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Oooh, another Topix tough guy weighs in....
Doesn't it seem strange all these tough guys hanging out in the ladies room? What gives?

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#112 Sep 2, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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I had a guy wander into the ladies room one night at my local bar, and refused to come out when the girls complained to the bartender. The guy was drunk and ended up getting dragged out by the bouncers and roughed up a little in the alley. He called the cops to report an "assault" and the cops told him to stay out of the woman's bathroom if he didn't want to get throttled. He was banned for life from the bar and told to go home or he would be arrested for disorderly conduct.
That's how things operate in the real world, so if you're serious about getting an education, I'll be at Big Papa's Bar in Traverse City this Friday night around 8:00pm. The girls bathroom is in the back. Be sure and bring your health insurance card.
LOL!!! Yeah, cause that TOTALLY happened!! We believe that. Sure we do.

And thank you for demonstrating, once again, that you have no clue what you're talking about. You apparently think that someone that's so drunk they have to be dragged out of the ladies restroom by the police is the same as a pervert sneaking into the women's room to get cheap thrills by watching women defecate (which is something you apparently believe actually happens--LOL!!!) and both of those things are the same as a transgendered individual discretely using the restroom that conforms with their gender identity.

I can guarantee you that there are *MANY* transgender people that use the restroom of their gender identity every day, likely even in your local redneck bar that's full of drunk idiots (though I can't picture any of the trans people *I* know lowering themselves to go to a bar that *you* would go to, but I'm sure it happens), and you would never know that that person is trans. Suck it up, cupcake. It's happening and you can't do anything about it.

I can also guarantee you that *many* of the people that fools like you would chase down and drag out of the women's restroom for being trans are NOT, in fact, trans at all but simply have a look that's not exactly gender-conforming. So good luck with that! People in the world that are not trannsexaul look a whole lot like their opposite gender. Some people are just like that.

So go ahead. Hang out outside the ladies room and chase away everyone you judge to be not really a female. Let us know how that works out for you, okay??

Poor you. It must be so frustrating that you can't control everyone else and force your own ignorant prejudices onto them. Too funny.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#113 Sep 2, 2014
NE Jade wrote:
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Doesn't it seem strange all these tough guys hanging out in the ladies room? What gives?
It's typical bigot behavior.

They assume that because they're a pervert who dreams of oogling women taking a crap, that EVERY man must also dream of oogling women taking a crap. They simply can't believe any man could actually use a woman's bathroom without stopping to masturbate while watching some fat chick taking a dump.

Racists are the same- they assume since they are a racist white man, then ALL white men must feel the same way they do about blacks.

It's a self defense mechanism; otherwise they might have to admit there is something wrong with themselves.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#114 Sep 2, 2014
eJohn wrote:
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LOL!!! Yeah, cause that TOTALLY happened!! We believe that. Sure we do.
And thank you for demonstrating, once again, that you have no clue what you're talking about. You apparently think that someone that's so drunk they have to be dragged out of the ladies restroom by the police is the same as a pervert sneaking into the women's room to get cheap thrills by watching women defecate (which is something you apparently believe actually happens--LOL!!!) and both of those things are the same as a transgendered individual discretely using the restroom that conforms with their gender identity.
I can guarantee you that there are *MANY* transgender people that use the restroom of their gender identity every day, likely even in your local redneck bar that's full of drunk idiots (though I can't picture any of the trans people *I* know lowering themselves to go to a bar that *you* would go to, but I'm sure it happens), and you would never know that that person is trans. Suck it up, cupcake. It's happening and you can't do anything about it.
I can also guarantee you that *many* of the people that fools like you would chase down and drag out of the women's restroom for being trans are NOT, in fact, trans at all but simply have a look that's not exactly gender-conforming. So good luck with that! People in the world that are not trannsexaul look a whole lot like their opposite gender. Some people are just like that.
So go ahead. Hang out outside the ladies room and chase away everyone you judge to be not really a female. Let us know how that works out for you, okay??
Poor you. It must be so frustrating that you can't control everyone else and force your own ignorant prejudices onto them. Too funny.
I wonder if Sneaky Pete also hangs outside every men's room as well, checking to make sure everyone who tries to enter has a pecker?

What about it Pete? Do you pecker check everyone before you allow them to enter the men's room? Do you check just form, or do you also check for function??

Now THAT I could see him doing on a regular basis.

No wonder he has such a bathroom fetish.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#115 Sep 2, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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It's typical bigot behavior.
They assume that because they're a pervert who dreams of oogling women taking a crap, that EVERY man must also dream of oogling women taking a crap. They simply can't believe any man could actually use a woman's bathroom without stopping to masturbate while watching some fat chick taking a dump.
Racists are the same- they assume since they are a racist white man, then ALL white men must feel the same way they do about blacks.
It's a self defense mechanism; otherwise they might have to admit there is something wrong with themselves.
Ever give your husband a rusty trombone?

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Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#116 Sep 2, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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But there is a city ordinance which protects gender identity- which includes public accommodation and the right to use the bathroom which matches the gender a person identifies as. Look it up doofus.
Wrong again, little fella. No such ordinance exists, allowing perverts to go into different bathrooms. Look up up doofus, instead of making up lies.

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