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“I am The Spaceman!”

Since: Jul 09

In Space

#1 Jul 24, 2010
ATTENTION.

To all those interested in knowing, the Topix Keepers have banished the one known as Air Cav 1' from our ranks.
This user was, though a good friend to us other Keepers, a nuisance to the rest of Topix. People Relations skills were poor and attitude was harsh. This user has been banned from our site and shall not be allowed until he has changed his ways.
The user 'Virgina Olive Hoge' is also under our eye, and shall be banned if we believe she is not doing her duty.

I hope this is a clear example of how serious we are about the Topi Reform. We will be here to make sure Topix is a much more enjoyable place.

Any sensible questions, please leave them here. I shall respond.

-Tppix Keepers 2IC-
~The Spaceman
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#2 Jul 24, 2010
The Spaceman wrote:
ATTENTION.
To all those interested in knowing, the Topix Keepers have banished the one known as Air Cav 1' from our ranks.
This user was, though a good friend to us other Keepers, a nuisance to the rest of Topix. People Relations skills were poor and attitude was harsh. This user has been banned from our site and shall not be allowed until he has changed his ways.
The user 'Virgina Olive Hoge' is also under our eye, and shall be banned if we believe she is not doing her duty.
I hope this is a clear example of how serious we are about the Topi Reform. We will be here to make sure Topix is a much more enjoyable place.
Any sensible questions, please leave them here. I shall respond.
-Tppix Keepers 2IC-
~The Spaceman
wow - I believe you will respond. you did last time and I appreciated it.
1) will others from Topix Keepers come on here and confirm this, also?
2) how did you come to be the press secretary (no implied criticism, quite the contrary)?
3) why is Politically Incorrect so silent? is he l7 and embarrassed to be outed? I don't think it is a sin to be l7. wish I were again!
4) was it something in particular that Cav wrote? as Cav? or anything you wish to explain?
5) are you really serious about wanting to reform topix?
6) are you sure you want to have several of your members as my enemies - when if you had any sense you would realize that I have been very focused on specific proposals for topix reform, and have tried to set up threads to allow people to follow discussions in a much more orderly manner - and have even tried repeatedly to get Virginia to see reason and just show us her best principles and her best self.
7)you realize that she is counterproductive, don't you?
8) you realize that she makes repeated false accusations, don't you?
9) you realize that we saw the comments (I think made by tank) about what "Virginia and Cav" have done now ?-(I think the day before the MJ Pol Incorrect Home page surfaced, and got more attention than the Virginia-Craig mystery)
No need to answer all of these. I tend to be very curious, just because my mind thinks of as many questions as it pleases sometimes, I suspect even partly just for fun.
10) why don't we know you better? have you posted other comments somewhere so we can see your views on other things?
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#3 Jul 24, 2010
that was a friendly comment. just to make it clear. you will know if and when I am unfriendly!
alright then

Providence, UT

#5 Jul 24, 2010
The Spaceman wrote:
ATTENTION.
......The user 'Virgina Olive Hoge' is also under our eye, and shall be banned if we believe she is not doing her duty.......,
Does she know this?

Seriously, your judgment seems to be improving.

In any case does it matter? Do you really think you have an impact?
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#6 Jul 24, 2010
I will repeat a couple of my previous suggestions. If you must have a members only site, and yet want folks to join with you, you probably need to do three things:

1) utilize the threads on topix where you can get your points across, because of the headlines or previous discussions
2) write a good summary of what your group is and what your purpose is, and find the most popular threads in the most popular forums, and post that summary from time to time, with adequate contact information - to reach out far beyond merely the topix forum about topix
3) modify your own private site slightly to give folks one place on it to have a back and forth discussion with you, so it does not look like a kids treehouse where you go off to plot before coming out to the topix threads to carry out your plans. as it is, we could easily assume that you are not at all serious, and just trying to work a big con

plus I have some words for you
substance (too much personalities in the past)
specific suggestions (too vague in the past)
some evidence that you are believable, and not just hoaxing, for fun
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#7 Jul 24, 2010
The Spaceman wrote:
ATTENTION.
To all those interested in knowing, the Topix Keepers have banished the one known as Air Cav 1' from our ranks.
This user was, though a good friend to us other Keepers, a nuisance to the rest of Topix. People Relations skills were poor and attitude was harsh. This user has been banned from our site and shall not be allowed until he has changed his ways.
The user 'Virgina Olive Hoge' is also under our eye, and shall be banned if we believe she is not doing her duty.
I hope this is a clear example of how serious we are about the Topi Reform. We will be here to make sure Topix is a much more enjoyable place.
Any sensible questions, please leave them here. I shall respond.
-Tppix Keepers 2IC-
~The Spaceman
you are going to get kidded a bit - as in how did you throw a helicopter under the bus? and could you do it again with a tank?

and you will be laughed at for just ridding yourself of Cav and not Virginia - when we have seen so much more of her, and she is so unpopular and unreliable. looks like you do not have the courage to admit your mistake - and are somehow splitting the difference.

also if others of your members want to come out and talk to us - some of us have no idea who they are. and would be more curious than prejudiced, I think.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#8 Jul 25, 2010
I am still waiting to hear from Politically Incorrect. or has he changed his name out of shame, or something? He should have done that after he wrote that he supported Senator Joe McCarthy. That is far more shameful than being young, or even a MJ fan - Although being an unthinking defender of MJ is pretty stupid, at least he was not an enemy of American civilization - not quite so much, anyhow!

Some of think it has all been downhill since Elvis, the Beatles, Peter,Paul and Mary, Joan Baez, Pete Seeger, the Weavers, the Kingston Trio, and Judy Collins. Until we got to Clay Aiken and Adam Lambert, with some, not all, of their songs, anyhow. Not the loud shouts and pandering stuff, that too many unthinking youth seem to be indoctrinated with.

And it is not an issue of age, some of us began getting disgusted with the hippie and yippie types when we were their age. They set back the cause of opposition to the Vietnam war, instead of advancing it. It looked like just another selfish and self-indulgent aspect of their behavior, older college students who feared that they would soon become eligible for the draft, and maybe thought that being on drugs might get them rejected, for example.

Unlike the college students who were angry about Jackson State, and not just Kent State, and who were clean for Gene McCarthy against LBJ, or even for Bobby K. though it was too much of a rockstar thing with too many of his supporters.

So if I occasionally seem anti-teenager, it is specific things that I object to. Especially a gang mentality & peer presure - rather than being a inner=directed person. I object to that in persons of any age.

Level 6

Since: Apr 10

USA

#9 Jul 25, 2010
Yes, this is very true.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#10 Jul 25, 2010
TheTank wrote:
Yes, this is very true.
are you being muzzled so you cannot say anything more? Is there a vow of mostly silence in the treehouse? no further discussion until you have been taught some pr tactics? that does not sound like a confidence builder - for the rest of us in our attitude toward you. what are you being taught - to be better liars and deceivers? to be better phonies? pretenders? you are choosing to "stonewall" rather than to explain yourselves. are you in another conspiracy? a cover-up? a writing of the partyline you are to take, to hide yourselves even further?

There is an interesting person using the name Nope, who has a fascinating term in the green box:

it isn't what it wasn't

Are you going to try to pretend that you are something new, after your retreat? are we to pretend that all the stuff you wrote before is "inoperative" to use a sort of Nixonian term, or whoever said it - some Republican Administration crook, I am sure. whose old lies had been outed, and had to take some time to make up the new ones.

We would be more inclined to trust you, if we could see you reacting, being normal, showing some disarray, and uncertainty and searching for a new course. If we knew how you felt about the age thing. If we knew what caused you to get rid of Craig, and on a provisional basis, that offered him a chance to improve and come back - even in general terms and not in specific. If we knew why Virginia is on notice to behave, in what respect you think she has misbehaved - flirting with Satan or something else? Do you mind her false accusations? Is that an issue or not?

We would like to see your discussions, your transition, the views of other members. It helps to have one new person posting in detail, but is it someone new or a new persona of someone who is writing two or more personas, or has gone into hiding as himself?

Why is PI so silent?

Level 6

Since: Apr 10

USA

#11 Jul 25, 2010
progressive wrote:
<quoted text> are you being muzzled so you cannot say anything more?
Like I said before, if you ask for more information than what you're given then you'll have to make the best of it.
progressive wrote:
We would like to see your discussions, your transition, the views of other members. It helps to have one new person posting in detail, but is it someone new or a new persona of someone who is writing two or more personas, or has gone into hiding as himself?
Of course you'd like to see that.

Ask, but don't tell is my new motto for you.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#12 Jul 25, 2010
TheTank wrote:
<quoted text>Like I said before, if you ask for more information than what you're given then you'll have to make the best of it.
<quoted text>Of course you'd like to see that.
Ask, but don't tell is my new motto for you.
by that you mean that if I ask, you will not tell me much more, I assume.

My age, gender, general attitude toward topix and this forum, and purposes for being here have always been made very clear. I cannot help it if people have not read it or believed it.

You are your group are the ones who merit being treated with distrust and suspicion. We have no reason to believe even the claims of the socalled new guy.

and by the way - Selecia and her group - and the brilliant gardenpathing hoax? they all merit being treated wth distrust and suspicion, too.
T 0 P l X

Providence, UT

#14 Jul 25, 2010
progressive wrote:
<quoted text> ....My age, gender, general attitude toward topix and this forum, and purposes for being here have always been made very clear. I cannot help it if people have not read it or believed it........
Perhaps no one cares. Don't you think it the height of arrogance to attempt to dominate every conversation? To constantly demand answers is rude. If you read and thought as much as you wrote you'd figure a lot of it out.

“R3V01U7!0N”

Level 5

Since: Apr 10

Denver, CO

#15 Jul 25, 2010
Let me clear things up.
I am here to confirm to you that AirCav is no longer one of us, he has lost his way.
To maintain our promise to Topix users and to stay true to our goal, we removed him from our group.

As Howl said, he will not be let back in until he changes his ways, which may never happen.

Don't feel bad for Cav, he wasn't the only one cut.

“R3V01U7!0N”

Level 5

Since: Apr 10

Denver, CO

#16 Jul 25, 2010
Howl, I commend you helping me come to a decision and writing the announcment.

I also want to commend The Spaceman for successfully issuing this statement.
You guys are doing great, keep up the good work.

I only wish our first Press Release would be good news.:|

“R3V01U7!0N”

Level 5

Since: Apr 10

Denver, CO

#17 Jul 25, 2010
progressive wrote:
<quoted text> wow - I believe you will respond. you did last time and I appreciated it.
1) will others from Topix Keepers come on here and confirm this, also?
I confirm it.
progressive wrote:
2) how did you come to be the press secretary (no implied criticism, quite the contrary)?
Lol. The Spaceman helped form the group.
There is not a specific press secretary that we have, we all make announcments.
progressive wrote:
3) why is Politically Incorrect so silent? is he l7 and embarrassed to be outed? I don't think it is a sin to be l7. wish I were again!
I am not embarrassed, as there was nothing to "out" me on.
progressive wrote:
4) was it something in particular that Cav wrote? as Cav? or anything you wish to explain?
There was a series of events that led up to this.
Unfortunately, I cannot release any details at this time, the group is really shaken by this sudden decision and I wish to keep it confidential until I say otherwise.
progressive wrote:
5) are you really serious about wanting to reform topix?
Absolutely, if this announcment isn't enough to prove it, I do not know what is.
progressive wrote:
6) are you sure you want to have several of your members as my enemies - when if you had any sense you would realize that I have been very focused on specific proposals for topix reform, and have tried to set up threads to allow people to follow discussions in a much more orderly manner - and have even tried repeatedly to get Virginia to see reason and just show us her best principles and her best self.
There has not been any discussions of considering you an enemy to the Keepers, you are not even on the list.
progressive wrote:
7)you realize that she is counterproductive, don't you?
I disagree with that allegation.
progressive wrote:
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8) you realize that she makes repeated false accusations, don't you?
As we said in the announcment, we are closely monitoring Virginia's activity.
progressive wrote:
9) you realize that we saw the comments (I think made by tank) about what "Virginia and Cav" have done now ?-(I think the day before the MJ Pol Incorrect Home page surfaced, and got more attention than the Virginia-Craig mystery)
I am aware.
progressive wrote:
No need to answer all of these. I tend to be very curious, just because my mind thinks of as many questions as it pleases sometimes, I suspect even partly just for fun.
Lol. It's all good.
progressive wrote:
10) why don't we know you better? have you posted other comments somewhere so we can see your views on other things?
This is a question that The Spaceman should answer, it would be very rude of me to try and speak for him.=)

Hope that helped a bit.

“Last of the Shada'knaz...”

Level 2

Since: Apr 10

...one hell of a vengeance...

#18 Jul 25, 2010
Politically_Incorrect wrote:
Howl, I commend you helping me come to a decision and writing the announcment.
Aw, shucks.

“R3V01U7!0N”

Level 5

Since: Apr 10

Denver, CO

#19 Jul 25, 2010
Howl wrote:
<quoted text>
Aw, shucks.
No, I mean it. You are brilliant.

“I am The Spaceman!”

Since: Jul 09

In Space

#20 Jul 25, 2010
progressive wrote:
<quoted text> wow - I believe you will respond. you did last time and I appreciated it.
1) will others from Topix Keepers come on here and confirm this, also?
2) how did you come to be the press secretary (no implied criticism, quite the contrary)?
3) why is Politically Incorrect so silent? is he l7 and embarrassed to be outed? I don't think it is a sin to be l7. wish I were again!
4) was it something in particular that Cav wrote? as Cav? or anything you wish to explain?
5) are you really serious about wanting to reform topix?
6) are you sure you want to have several of your members as my enemies - when if you had any sense you would realize that I have been very focused on specific proposals for topix reform, and have tried to set up threads to allow people to follow discussions in a much more orderly manner - and have even tried repeatedly to get Virginia to see reason and just show us her best principles and her best self.
7)you realize that she is counterproductive, don't you?
8) you realize that she makes repeated false accusations, don't you?
9) you realize that we saw the comments (I think made by tank) about what "Virginia and Cav" have done now ?-(I think the day before the MJ Pol Incorrect Home page surfaced, and got more attention than the Virginia-Craig mystery)
No need to answer all of these. I tend to be very curious, just because my mind thinks of as many questions as it pleases sometimes, I suspect even partly just for fun.
10) why don't we know you better? have you posted other comments somewhere so we can see your views on other things?
Of course I will answer your questions.
1) Yes, and they have.
2) I'm 2IC, I make announcements like this.
3) Politically was inactive, quite frankly if anyone wants to judge us by our age, they can do so and we will happily ignore them, as they are not worth dealing with.
4) More than once Cav has done something against our regulations, and so that is why he is gone. He fell behind.
5) Yes.
6) None of us are your 'enemies', and as I said, we are keeping a close eye on Virginia Olive Hoge.
7) Yes.
8) Yes.
9) Yes, I realise all of this.
10) I do not recommend it, we all have our pasts of which mean nothing about our present and future. However, if you are very interested I suppose I could post a link to places I have posted in the past.

-Topix Keepers 2IC-
~The Spaceman
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#21 Jul 25, 2010
T 0 P l X wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps no one cares. Don't you think it the height of arrogance to attempt to dominate every conversation? To constantly demand answers is rude. If you read and thought as much as you wrote you'd figure a lot of it out.
anyone can post at any time. I am not stopping anyone from typing anything. People who make all sorts of claims to be heroes, have a bit of explaining to do, and asking them questions is a way to push them to explain. Otherwise, we can assume they are phonies.
If you know it and have figured it all out, just tell us and stop acting superior. show us how wise you are. At least I do not assume that I know when I do not know, and I ask the persons who are actually involved, the key questions to try to understand what they are all about. Politically Incorrect put himself up front when he started a thread with his long letter, and Tank has joined in with all sorts of statements, and attempted tricks. One has the right to question them, and with some degree of suspicion!
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#22 Jul 25, 2010
Politically_Incorrect wrote:
<quoted text>
I confirm it.
<quoted text>
Lol. The Spaceman helped form the group.
There is not a specific press secretary that we have, we all make announcments.
<quoted text>
I am not embarrassed, as there was nothing to "out" me on.
<quoted text>
There was a series of events that led up to this.
Unfortunately, I cannot release any details at this time, the group is really shaken by this sudden decision and I wish to keep it confidential until I say otherwise.
<quoted text>
Absolutely, if this announcment isn't enough to prove it, I do not know what is.
<quoted text>
There has not been any discussions of considering you an enemy to the Keepers, you are not even on the list.
<quoted text>
I disagree with that allegation.
<quoted text>
As we said in the announcment, we are closely monitoring Virginia's activity.
<quoted text>
I am aware.
<quoted text>
Lol. It's all good.
<quoted text>
This is a question that The Spaceman should answer, it would be very rude of me to try and speak for him.=)
Hope that helped a bit.
It helped, thank you. not like your comments elsewhere that were not helpful. wish I remembered which came first! wish I knew which side of PI to believe is the real one, or maybe both are, or neither are. It is so difficult when one has to be skeptical, in order not to be hoaxed.

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