Atheist find it arduous to articulate...
Nevaeh

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#82 Dec 28, 2012
Bertie D wrote:
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Oh brother.
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SHOULDN'T TONGUES BE UNDERSTOOD?

The first to speak in tongues were the disciples. This occurred on the day of Pentecost. People often think that on this day the disciples were speaking human languages, because the people could understand what they were saying.

I don't believe this is true because there was a two-fold miracle taking place on this day: the miracle of speaking and hearing: The first miracle was the speaking in tongues. The second miracle was the enabling of some to understand the tongues. Not everyone understood the tongues, because some onlookers made fun of the disciples and accused them of being drunk (Acts 2:13); this clearly shows that they did not understand the tongues.

And the ones who did understand the tongues were perplex because each one heard only their own native language not the languages of the other people (v. 6). The Bible tells us that there were over fourteen foreigners representing many nations, speaking different languages. Yet each person heard the disciples praising God in their own language. They exclaimed, "How is it that each of us hears them in his own native language?" (v. 8) They could not figure out how this was possible.

It is clear that the disciples were not "preaching" the gospel in tongues, they were instead "declaring the wonders of God" (v. 11). They were not speaking "to men but to God" (1 Cor 14:2). The people were simply listening in on their praises to God. It wasn't until Peter stood up to speak to the crowd in one common language that the gospel was preached. So tongues are not supernatural human languages given to the apostles so they could preach in languages they did not naturally learn.

The disciples were not speaking human languages; they were speaking in unknown tongues. But God enabled those whose hearts were opened to understand what the disciples were saying. Sometimes this happens today. You see, the miracle was in the hearing of the people.

THE BAPTISM IN THE SPIRIT

Let us look carefully at the first scriptural account of speaking in tongues:

When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.(Acts 2:1-4).

This experience is what John the baptist and Jesus called the baptism in the Holy Spirit. This was the fulfillment of Jesus promise, "In a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 1:5). Every Christian believes in baptizing in water. But few accept the better baptism--the baptism in the Holy Spirit. Since you were willing to be baptized in water, shouldn't you also be willing to be baptized in the Holy Spirit?

Theologians often confuse the baptism in the Holy Spirit with salvation. They often regard these two experiences as being the same. This confuses believers. They incorrectly assume that salvation is the same as the baptism in the Holy Spirit. The Bible does not teach this. The Bible clearly teaches that the baptism in the Holy Spirit is a separate experience from salvation and comes after a person is saved, although it can occur at the time of salvation.

The story of the Samaritan converts plainly proves this (see Acts 8:5-25). Philip preached to them about Christ. The people joyfully accepted the gospel and was born again. They confirmed their faith by being baptized as well. Yet, despite the fact that these folks were truly saved, Philip called for the apostles to come and pray for them that they would receive the Holy Spirit. It is clear from this story that being saved is not the same as receiving the Holy Spirit.(Although the Holy Spirit is definitely involved in salvation.)
Nevaeh

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#83 Dec 28, 2012
Bertie D wrote:
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Oh brother.
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Another biblical story illustrates this fact (see Acts 19:1-7). Paul met some disciples of John the Baptist. He thought they were believers in the Lord Jesus, because they talked so much about repentance. Paul, unaware that they were only disciples of John, yet knowing something was missing in these men, asked them an obvious question, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"

The question itself proves that Paul, including the early church, believed that it was possible to be a believer in Jesus without having received the Holy Spirit. If receiving the Holy Spirit was automatic at conversion, then why did Paul asked the question, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"

THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE

I was baptized in the Holy Spirit at the First Assembly of God church on Montana. The preacher asked for those wishing to dedicate themselves to the ministry to come forward for prayer. The first to come forward was a tall, slender fellow name Timmy. I thought, "If Timmy can go forward, I can too." So I followed him down to the front of the podium.

Without notice, something invisible hit Timmy, and down he went on the floor. Almost immediately, something hit me too. Down I went, prostrate on the ground. I began to weep uncontrollably. God's presence was all over me. This went on for several minutes.

The thought occurred to me, "This must be what my church has been talking about all these years. What is happening to me must be the baptism in the Holy Spirit." No sooner did I think that when I heard this scripture in my mind, "And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues."

If I'm filled with the Holy Spirit, then I'll speak in other tongues, I reasoned in my mind. Right then, I began speaking in other tongues--and I haven't stopped yet! Glory to God!

You see, the physical proof of the baptism in the Holy Spirit is the same evidence that the disciples had: speaking in tongues. You may have other evidences as well, but the one evidence you should have is speaking in tongues.

There are five examples in the Bible of people receiving the baptism in the Holy Spirit (see Acts 2:4; 8:17; 9:17; 10:44; 19:6). In three out of the five examples we are told that specific signs took place. In the other two examples, the manifestation of physical signs taking place are implied, but not mentioned. Based on these two cases we cannot build any solid evidence as to what should happen when someone is baptized in the Holy Spirit. However, based on the other three examples we can build a good, solid case as to what should happen when someone is baptized in the Spirit.

We are told in these three examples that certain physical manifestations took place. In each case, more than one physical sign took place, which teaches us that there are usually more than one sign taking place when people are baptized in the Holy Spirit. Yet, there is one sign--and only one sign--that is common to all three examples. The identical sign was speaking in tongues. Based on this observation we can conclude that the standard sign of the baptism in the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues.

Speaking in tongues is the physical, biblical evidence that one is baptized in the Holy Spirit. We should not settle for anything less than the scriptural evidence.

If you haven't been baptized in the Holy Spirit, seek God about it and pray for it in faith. God never lets a thirsty soul go dry.

DO ALL SPEAK IN TONGUES?

Someone may say, "How can you say that all Christians should speak in tongues considering the apostle Paul's words,'Do all speak in tongues?'?(1 Corinthians 12:30).

In this passage, Paul is talking about public ministry gifts that are manifested in the church. He is not talking about tongues as the initial sign of the baptism in the Spirit, nor is he talking about tongues as a private, devotional, prayer language.
Nevaeh

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#84 Dec 28, 2012
Bertie D wrote:
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Oh brother.
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You can recognize this by simply looking at the language Paul uses concerning speaking in tongues. In this chapter he calls speaking in tongues "different kinds of tongues" (see 12:10,28). "Different kinds" means "not the usual." The usual kind of speaking in tongues is a language no man understands or interprets. However, speaking in "different kinds" of tongues enables the speaker or someone else to recognize the meaning of the tongue and thereby interpreting it.

So when Paul ask the question, "Do all speak in tongues?", he is referring to the public manifestation of tongues which enables a person gifted in interpretation to speak out the meaning of the tongue. Not all have been given this gift of "different kinds" of tongues.

In the fourteenth chapter of this epistle, Paul corrects the misuse of tongues in the church. He told them to stop the practice gathering "the whole church [so] everyone [can] speak in tongues" (v. 23). Notice carefully that the "whole church" was gathered and that "everyone" was speaking in tongues. This clearly shows us that everyone in the Corinthian church was speaking in tongues. Most of them should have allowed those gifted in the "different kinds" of tongues to exercise their gift, and the rest should simply "keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God" (v. 28).

Friend, I encourage you to seek the scriptural evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit, and to settle for nothing but the best.

Thank you if you made it all the way through... It is quite an extraordinary & enlightening read... Bertie, There is an all powerful mighty being, God. This wasn't some black magic witchery. Someone is praying for you somewhere... God has put a few people on my heart, and a few to cross my path, you are one of them... I can talk to you in private, if you like. Your thread to me was no accident.. Hugs, Nevaeh
Nevaeh

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#85 Dec 28, 2012
Hello, Who ever likes to judge these post above... Here is something for you. Judge, less ye be judged... Know, all will get at least one chance to hear the word of God. From that point on, its your choice... I have given you up to God, those who laugh and mock his word. I have done my part.. Love in Christ N :)
Louis Cypher

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#86 Dec 30, 2012
Well it was nice to read some lines from someone who doesn't say it says so in the bible or that's the way it is shut up, or you just wait until you meet him in person. There's one more classic... That old booger man is going to get you.

She's filled with the spirit. It's her own feelings of a false hope to walk on golden streets. But you will have no legs because you are not human anymore. The mansion. Does it have bathrooms for you to shower in? A kitchen to cook on?
Who paints the house? I guess that would be all the atheist. I have heard that some of my friends and family are hunting and fishing in heaven. That was what they like to do on earth. It's an eternity, what if you don't like it?

Quit wasting your time on a made up
Story and realize you are here and then you die and it's lights out. It's over. Like cutting down a tree. You never know you die because you cease to exist. Just people left on earth know you are dead. It is the biggest whopper that has ever been told. It is amazing how strong it is on people's lives.
Must be the eternal burning in hell part that keeps you full of the Holy Ghost and speaking that unknown tongue that actually csn be INTERPETED!!!!! Must not be unknown.

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#88 Jan 1, 2013
Somali Pirate wrote:
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Do you really think anyone will take an hour to read your cut and paste bible babble?
god can do everything:
But Jesus looked at them and said, "For mortals it is impossible, but for God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26).
god can't do everything:
If we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny himself (2 Timothy 2:13).
The bible cannot be used as a valid starting point to any conversation about higher powers when it is filled with inconsistencies.
Yes I do... you did.*I can also speak through the 'Holy Spirit', without the Bible. Care to test me? If The Bible is filled with inconsistencies, it's mans inconsistencies, not God's. Happy New Year.:)

ps. I can Bible Babble all I want. It's for God's Glory

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#89 Jan 1, 2013
Louis Cypher wrote:
Well it was nice to read some lines from someone who doesn't say it says so in the bible or that's the way it is shut up, or you just wait until you meet him in person. There's one more classic... That old booger man is going to get you.
She's filled with the spirit. It's her own feelings of a false hope to walk on golden streets. But you will have no legs because you are not human anymore. The mansion. Does it have bathrooms for you to shower in? A kitchen to cook on?
Who paints the house? I guess that would be all the atheist. I have heard that some of my friends and family are hunting and fishing in heaven. That was what they like to do on earth. It's an eternity, what if you don't like it?
Quit wasting your time on a made up
Story and realize you are here and then you die and it's lights out. It's over. Like cutting down a tree. You never know you die because you cease to exist. Just people left on earth know you are dead. It is the biggest whopper that has ever been told. It is amazing how strong it is on people's lives.
Must be the eternal burning in hell part that keeps you full of the Holy Ghost and speaking that unknown tongue that actually csn be INTERPETED!!!!! Must not be unknown.
Wow, So that's what it feels like when you haven't any hope...Angry! Who stole 'your' lolly-pop? I can get it back for you. I'm not here to make people feel uncomfortable, I'm only here for God's Glory! & I want to share the truth, before it's too late. I was 'Baptized in the Holy Spirit'in Anaheim, Ca when I was 21. Did it change my life? Yes, to say the least. To be hit by a supernatural power of God's Holy Spirit is unlike anything I have ever known. Greater than anything here on this earth.
Do you have a prayer for something, or someone in your life that I can pray for? If so, let me know, and watch God's amazing power go to work... ps I am only his messenger, and faithful servant, but I can pray.

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#91 Jan 2, 2013
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You assume to much. I read about 4 sentences and skipped the rest as typical, small minded verbose, bible explanations. The type that ignore the question and answer whatever they want.
This is a new one lol, lets hear about your religion. You don't have a holy book, what are your teachings and beliefs based on???
If you want to babble about a purely fictional character, that's your deal, I could not care less. I enjoy a good chuckle over the simple minded people who actually believe the religious garbage.
I told her I wouldn't waste my time arguing with someone that couldn't think for themselves and could only copy and paste. They are mindless followers as a friend of mine likes to say.

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#92 Jan 2, 2013
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I told her I wouldn't waste my time arguing with someone that couldn't think for themselves and could only copy and paste. They are mindless followers as a friend of mine likes to say.
FYI, I copied and pasted info that could be read and understood on what 'Speaking in Tongues' is all about. As for a mind of my own,... in earlier threads I had stated my own personal experiences .... I am my own person. No one tells me what to do, or says No to me... Except God...
S, I truly hope you have a wonderful New Year! I cease to pray for you... That's what I do.:).
ps... You really missed me that's why you came back....:) You are drawn to goodness! S, Can you tell me why some Atheist hate Christians so much?, and it's not just hate, it's extreme anger...? N

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#93 Jan 2, 2013
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I told her I wouldn't waste my time arguing with someone that couldn't think for themselves and could only copy and paste. They are mindless followers as a friend of mine likes to say.
Lol, I meant cease not!:)

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#94 Jan 3, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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FYI, I copied and pasted info that could be read and understood on what 'Speaking in Tongues' is all about.
I didn't read it, sorry.
As for a mind of my own,... in earlier threads I had stated my own personal experiences .... I am my own person. No one tells me what to do, or says No to me... Except God...
God tells you no? Satan doesn't ;)
S, I truly hope you have a wonderful New Year! I cease to pray for you... That's what I do.:).
First you giveth, then you taketh.
ps... You really missed me that's why you came back....:)
Ok so, you might be right about that one.
You are drawn to goodness!
And you to my badness ;)
S, Can you tell me why some Atheist hate Christians so much?, and it's not just hate, it's extreme anger...? N
I can't and won't speak for anyone else. I can tell you that I do not hate Christians as a general rule of thumb. I dislike anyone that tries to force me to think, believe and/or feel as they do. Christians have tendency to judge people as less than if they aren't Christitans so a lot of people see all Christians as judgmental hypocrites. As I said before, I can see where religion had it's place in society at one time, but it has outlasted it's usefulness.

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#96 Jan 3, 2013
IXSatanXI wrote:
<quoted text> I didn't read it, sorry.
I Forgive you...
<quoted text> God tells you no? Satan doesn't ;)
Sometimes God says no. Satan says yes, most of the time.

<quoted text> First you giveth, then you taketh.
I misquoted..It should have read I cease 'not' to pray...:)

<quoted text> Ok so, you might be right about that one.
:)Ditto

<quoted text> And you to my badness ;)
To your potential :) God chose me for the word, not the world.

<quoted text> I can't and won't speak for anyone else. I can tell you that I do not hate Christians as a general rule of thumb. I dislike anyone that tries to force me to think, believe and/or feel as they do. Christians have tendency to judge people as less than if they aren't Christians so a lot of people see all Christians as judgmental hypocrites. As I said before, I can see where religion had it's place in society at one time, but it has outlasted it's usefulness.

For the most part, I agree with what you've said. I too have run away from people that hound me about God. A true Christian/ follower of God wont make you feel bad, or talk that way. I found my way... seeking. God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. People, change. Judge, less ye be judged, and that saying is not just for Christians.

Why do you think Christianity has outlasted it's usefulness?

You see S, If I live my life for God, and through his 'Grace' I provide, Love, hope, peace, understanding to all who cross my path, what harm is there? If you want to be bad Satan, then be bad Satan. I like Atheists, just as much as my 'Warrior Princesses'. I promise, I won't ever try to sway you towards Christianity,...unless you ask. You be you, and I'll be me! okay?lol If we were all the same, life wouldn't be very interesting now would it?... We are most definitely opposites...
May I ask where you grew up? SL You don't have to answer that, if you don't want too..

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#97 Jan 3, 2013
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Treading lightly has never really been my strong suit. Do you handle snakes and all that too? I have never understood the speaking in tongues. I know what you think it is, but in reality, deep down, you and I both know it's a farce.
So, back to the subject at hand. Why do you think some people find it difficult to articulate with "holy spirit filled" people? I think it is you that can't articulate. None ever have an original thought. Do you mean to say we can't dispute the word of the bible? Do you mean that you can recite versus of the bible then feel no need to explain them? Why should you need to explain them? Is that because they are open to interpretation? Of course it is, so if they are open to interpretation how can anyone be certain their interpretation is right? You can't. Go to ten different churches with a bible verse and you will get 10 different explainations.
At any rate, as much fun as this could be I will undoubtedly get very bored very fast because you will come back with some bible verse as a rebuttle that means nothing, so sayeth the lord.
Disclaimer... This is just my thoughts on the subject below. I am not trying to sway, or have anyone agree with me in any way, unless they choose their free will to do so...

Hi S, I thought I would go back through, and answer some unfinished questions you had asked early on...

Q- None ever have an original thought.
It's true, if you quote the bible without reason.

Q- Do you mean to say we can't dispute the word of the bible?
Of course you can...

Q-Do you mean that you can recite versus of the bible then feel no need to explain them?
No, some verses are quite complex. This calls for gods Wisdom. I don't think God made it easy, so we would seek out the meaning.(Just my in-sighted opinion) I will try to answer verses, that I recite.:)

Q- Go to ten different churches with a bible verse and you will get 10 different explanations.
Yes you will. Again this calls for Wisdom. I know what your thinking, this is just a cop-out. But it's really that simple. First, You would have to believe in God, and what God say's in the Bible before you would do this.(Don't do this unless you feel led)

Statement from Satan- At any rate, as much fun as this could be I will undoubtedly get very bored very fast because you will come back with some bible verse as a rebuttal that means nothing, so sayeth the lord.

Ans- I won't quote the bible, without backing it up, okay? I'm glad your here ...:

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#98 Jan 4, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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For the most part, I agree with what you've said. I too have run away from people that hound me about God. A true Christian/ follower of God wont make you feel bad, or talk that way. I found my way... seeking. God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. People, change. Judge, less ye be judged, and that saying is not just for Christians.
That's why I said I don't hate Christians as a rule. I judge people based on their individual personality, etc...
Why do you think Christianity has outlasted it's usefulness?
In biblical times the lands were outstretched. There was no state police. People had to govern themselves mostly. People had to avoid disease and that sort of thing, but being humans we tend to do things that are just bad for us. So, there needs to be a fear. Do do that or you will go blind sorta thing. Be good or Santa won't come, right? Religion made people govern themselves. There is no such need today.
You see S, If I live my life for God, and through his 'Grace' I provide, Love, hope, peace, understanding to all who cross my path, what harm is there?
There is no harm. I agree. In fact I think I stated that earlier. You are free to believe as you wish and I completely support that.
If you want to be bad Satan, then be bad Satan.
You have no idea ;)
I like Atheists, just as much as my 'Warrior Princesses'. I promise, I won't ever try to sway you towards Christianity,...unless you ask.
Thank you, I won't.
You be you, and I'll be me! okay?
Fair enough, and I apologize for jumping to conclusions about your mission.
lol If we were all the same, life wouldn't be very interesting now would it?...
That is true
We are most definitely opposites...
May I ask where you grew up? SL You don't have to answer that, if you don't want too..
Many theologians want to know the answer to that. Imagine how mad they would be if I told you ;)

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#99 Jan 4, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Disclaimer... This is just my thoughts on the subject below. I am not trying to sway, or have anyone agree with me in any way, unless they choose their free will to do so...
Hi S, I thought I would go back through, and answer some unfinished questions you had asked early on...
Q- None ever have an original thought.
It's true, if you quote the bible without reason.
Q- Do you mean to say we can't dispute the word of the bible?
Of course you can...
Q-Do you mean that you can recite versus of the bible then feel no need to explain them?
No, some verses are quite complex. This calls for gods Wisdom. I don't think God made it easy, so we would seek out the meaning.(Just my in-sighted opinion) I will try to answer verses, that I recite.:)
Q- Go to ten different churches with a bible verse and you will get 10 different explanations.
Yes you will. Again this calls for Wisdom. I know what your thinking, this is just a cop-out. But it's really that simple. First, You would have to believe in God, and what God say's in the Bible before you would do this.(Don't do this unless you feel led)
Statement from Satan- At any rate, as much fun as this could be I will undoubtedly get very bored very fast because you will come back with some bible verse as a rebuttal that means nothing, so sayeth the lord.
Ans- I won't quote the bible, without backing it up, okay? I'm glad your here ...:
I think I like you

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#100 Jan 4, 2013
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I think I like you
I like you too!

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#101 Jan 5, 2013
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<quoted text> That's why I said I don't hate Christians as a rule. I judge people based on their individual personality, etc...
<quoted text> There is no harm. I agree. In fact I think I stated that earlier. You are free to believe as you wish and I completely support that.
Ans- I to you as well.
<quoted text> You have no idea ;)
Ans- I might...
<quoted text> Thank you, I won't.
Ans- Fair enough, but I be there, just in case.:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =UIt3dx4an9cXX
<quoted text> Fair enough, and I apologize for jumping to conclusions about your mission.
Ans- Your forgiven. I'm also sorry for jumping to conclusions.
<quoted text> That is true
Ans-:)
<quoted text> http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Ans: So they say...
<quoted text> Many theologians want to know the answer to that.
Imagine how mad they would be if I told you ;)
Ans- Understood.:)
Trish

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#102 Jan 5, 2013
I really dig this thread. You folks are being real respectful with your opposing views for the most part and it is refreshing to witness.

Thanks so much for sharing.

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#103 Jan 5, 2013
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I really dig this thread. You folks are being real respectful with your opposing views for the most part and it is refreshing to witness.
Thanks so much for sharing.
Your welcome, We have come to an understanding. Thank you for your post... SL :)

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#104 Jan 5, 2013
My Heavenly Father, It's me again... Please help our Nation, and our President. Even though I don't agree with everything he does, he is still our Nations leader. I ask that you break the strongholds that are unseen, remove any blinders that he may have, and bring back normalcy and restoration to our wounded Country I ask this, in Jesus name, Amen.:) Love & Hope for everyone this day.

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