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So very true, that is why we need a personal relationship with God himself...'I promise' you that if you ask God for 'Wisdom and Insight' he will show you things that non-believers are not privy too... I will ask God for you today, that he will show you his great mercy. For this you will have to seek him, there he will be.
Matthew 7:7 I love this verse....
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you: For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened. What man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
God is the most 'powerful' thing in this world. Next was Satan, who God loved most of all, and also has extreme powers, but of darkness... Sl
Have a Godly day...:)
How can you be 100% sure Matthew 7:7 is completely accurate and wasn't fabricated in the least? Take for instance the Hebrew word TIMSHEL in the bible. The single most important word in the bible was mistranslated probably on purpose as "Thou Shalt" when in fact it means Thou Mayest. That changes everything and the authors most likely knew that because there goes their story if the original translation remains. This life IS NOT predetermined as the bible says it is. It is simply man's choice to be good or to be bad.

You do know before Satan there was Prometheus and that Satan is based on him but the pagans/christians changed and added to it? Prometheus was actually trying to help man finds his way but broke the code of the gods by interfering. His actions do not make one fear him, they would actually make us like him and thank him for having empathy for man and risking everything to help us evolve. You should read about him as it's just as viable a tale as anything else.

The bible is supposedly there to help bring people to god by reading "his" words and seeing as the bible has been agreed upon by us and the fact that history proves it too that man has altered and corrupted it thereby making it NOT of god, how can one know what's right and what's wrong? If satan is so powerful and so engaged in defying god as christians believe and is to blame for the bible being corrupted and everything evil, how do you know he hasn't brilliantly made you all think you're praying to god when in actuality it's to satan himself? You guys don't give something so evil and so powerful nearly enough credit.

Basically if it's not of god, it's of satan, there is no grey area in a christian's thinking so all the preachers all across the world are spreading satan's message and that message was essentially your foundation as well as you're still quoting from the bible to this very day.

If I were you I would at least research your bible's and your faith's true origins and seek out the real truth how your faith came to be and see why numerous books were eliminated from the bible (council of Nicaea) and why your christ's own book has never been included in the bible. There's always a reason why one eliminates and does not include all writings or evidence in a book or document and a red flag SHOULD be raised with you christians and should not make you all just bury your heads in the sand as you've done for hundreds of years.

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How can you be 100% sure Matthew 7:7 is completely accurate and wasn't fabricated in the least? Take for instance the Hebrew word TIMSHEL in the bible. The single most important word in the bible was mistranslated probably on purpose as "Thou Shalt" when in fact it means Thou Mayest. That changes everything and the authors most likely knew that because there goes their story if the original translation remains. This life IS NOT predetermined as the bible says it is. It is simply man's choice to be good or to be bad.
You do know before Satan there was Prometheus and that Satan is based on him but the pagans/christians changed and added to it? Prometheus was actually trying to help man finds his way but broke the code of the gods by interfering. His actions do not make one fear him, they would actually make us like him and thank him for having empathy for man and risking everything to help us evolve. You should read about him as it's just as viable a tale as anything else.
The bible is supposedly there to help bring people to god by reading "his" words and seeing as the bible has been agreed upon by us and the fact that history proves it too that man has altered and corrupted it thereby making it NOT of god, how can one know what's right and what's wrong? If satan is so powerful and so engaged in defying god as christians believe and is to blame for the bible being corrupted and everything evil, how do you know he hasn't brilliantly made you all think you're praying to god when in actuality it's to satan himself? You guys don't give something so evil and so powerful nearly enough credit.
Basically if it's not of god, it's of satan, there is no grey area in a christian's thinking so all the preachers all across the world are spreading satan's message and that message was essentially your foundation as well as you're still quoting from the bible to this very day.
If I were you I would at least research your bible's and your faith's true origins and seek out the real truth how your faith came to be and see why numerous books were eliminated from the bible (council of Nicaea) and why your christ's own book has never been included in the bible. There's always a reason why one eliminates and does not include all writings or evidence in a book or document and a red flag SHOULD be raised with you Christians and should not make you all just bury your heads in the sand as you've done for hundreds of years.
That's very interesting theology you have, but not completely accurate. As I am very familiar with the OT & the NT, I will just continue on my path with our Lord and Savior. He directs me, not someone I do not know on a thread...(respectfully)

Proverbs 3:5-6
5)Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6)in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.

*God shows me what I need. I will never depart from him because of a technicality over the devils lies. While I may encounter un-truths from time to time, I will seek and refer to my Magnificent source .... The verse above.

He is all I need Roger. I don't even need the Bible,(as I have scripture memorized) or to attend Church to make my God real. I have seen many a miracle, and know many truths that some will never know.

You see Roger, while I do appreciate your kind words, I also get a red warning flag from God. I trust him and his word completely. I would die by the sword for my God if I had to, just as I would defend a true friend... Take care SL :)

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* Sorry about the double post my love... Lol I guess my 'Father' wanted you to know twice...:)
It's ok the Topix gods remove double posts. Only you see them ;)

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It's ok the Topix gods remove double posts. Only you see them ;)
Good morning IXSATANXI, What a beautiful day it is... How have you been?:)

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That's very interesting theology you have, but not completely accurate. As I am very familiar with the OT & the NT, I will just continue on my path with our Lord and Savior. He directs me, not someone I do not know on a thread...(respectfully)
Proverbs 3:5-6
5)Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6)in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.
*God shows me what I need. I will never depart from him because of a technicality over the devils lies. While I may encounter un-truths from time to time, I will seek and refer to my Magnificent source .... The verse above.
He is all I need Roger. I don't even need the Bible,(as I have scripture memorized) or to attend Church to make my God real. I have seen many a miracle, and know many truths that some will never know.
You see Roger, while I do appreciate your kind words, I also get a red warning flag from God. I trust him and his word completely. I would die by the sword for my God if I had to, just as I would defend a true friend... Take care SL :)
Fair enough and I will respect your feelings and beliefs but please know for future reference that just because somebody is telling you that there is actual and historical evidence contrary to the bible, god and Jesus that it doesn't necessarily mean their message of fact is being delivered by satan. It could just simply mean they care.

I was once in your shoes prayer warrior and one day I found my own inner strength and began to question. I didn't like a lot of the answers I found as they were life altering but at least they were true and factual and not mythical and fantasy and with those answers I realized it's me who makes me and me who breaks me and that I am fully responsible for my success and failure (which is actually more gratifying and it made me think a lot longer and harder before I acted and reacted because I don't have a safety pray/forgiveness Jesus net) not a sky father and not a pesky middle earth devil as it pertains in the bible.

I am loosely agnostic as none of us know for a rock solid fact what's beyond our atmosphere but I do believe we've been visited by our future selves and other species because there's just too much evidence to the contrary to dispute it any longer. Even the bible speaks of flying metal chariots used by god to whisk people away and bring them back. God doesn't need flying mechanisms to get around does he? Angels weren't even called angels several hundred years ago, they were godlike people who could fly in winged mechanisms. Religious men changed them into angels for symbolic purposes.

That's why the books that were ripped out by the council of Nicaea and various kings need to be put back in along with the book of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and the bible needs to be accurately translated because I guarantee it will read totally different to what it does today and it might actually tell us where we really came from and it will be the best guide on earth rather than the best controlling tool on earth.

Christians and the religious want people to open their heart and close their minds and come to their god as a child and see and hear as they do but are unwilling to reciprocate and be open minded when it comes to seeing and hearing and fully entertaining logic. Most of us that no longer believe were once believers. The opposite is not true as religion especially christianity is everywhere and in everything and in many parts of the country and world it's being indoctrinated from day 1. One almost cannot get away from it.

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That's very interesting theology you have, but not completely accurate. As I am very familiar with the OT & the NT, I will just continue on my path with our Lord and Savior. He directs me, not someone I do not know on a thread...(respectfully)
Proverbs 3:5-6
5)Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6)in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.
*God shows me what I need. I will never depart from him because of a technicality over the devils lies. While I may encounter un-truths from time to time, I will seek and refer to my Magnificent source .... The verse above.
He is all I need Roger. I don't even need the Bible,(as I have scripture memorized) or to attend Church to make my God real. I have seen many a miracle, and know many truths that some will never know.
You see Roger, while I do appreciate your kind words, I also get a red warning flag from God. I trust him and his word completely. I would die by the sword for my God if I had to, just as I would defend a true friend... Take care SL :)
BTW, am I missing something because who is this Roger?

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BTW, am I missing something because who is this Roger?
Lol, I am so sorry. I had that name on my mind from reading a earlier post before yours... SL )

ps I would like to continue our discussion and respond to your last post... Game? I will respect your wishes either way.:)

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Lol, I am so sorry. I had that name on my mind from reading a earlier post before yours... SL )
ps I would like to continue our discussion and respond to your last post... Game? I will respect your wishes either way.:)
By all means please respond. There is no reason why we shouldn't be able to respectfully communicate our thoughts and beliefs with each other. There is always something one can learn from another despite their differences.

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By all means please respond. There is no reason why we shouldn't be able to respectfully communicate our thoughts and beliefs with each other. There is always something one can learn from another despite their differences.
...even if we don't learn from each other's differences, we can still be friends.:)

ps. All folks really want is to be 'Loved.' That is my mission... You might be surprised at the characters I 'Love'
They complete me...SL :)

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Shall we start here?

Okay J, Is there actual and historical evidence contrary to the Bible?

Can you elaborate a 'little' at a time, so we can discuss it?:)

ps Back em' up please...
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Snevaeh legna wrote:
Shall we start here?
Okay J, Is there actual and historical evidence contrary to the Bible?
Can you elaborate a 'little' at a time, so we can discuss it?:)
ps Back em' up please...
Can I offer an answer?
We need go no further than genesis to find the first most accessible fabrication (there are actually many, many contradictions to cosmological observation, basic sense in the first few lines, but we can skip ahead a little here - but not too far):
The creation of man.
Snevaeh, we know very, very well how humans evolved. and we know very, very well, that humans are not generated directly from dust, in one day. Now, this part of the bible lends itself easily and very often to interpretation - but it is interpreted for the very good reason that it DOES NOT make literal sense - if we didn't know about cosmology, evolution, etc. you wouldn't bother interpreting it - but we do - so you interpret it to try to make it all fit, as you will no doubt try to do.
The fact remains, genesis lies. And that's just the first few verses!
(then the poor all-powerful dear had to have a rest - existing independently of time, creating planets and such, means he has to have a sunday off - wipe your sweaty, soiled brow, dear god.)

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Can I offer an answer?
We need go no further than genesis to find the first most accessible fabrication (there are actually many, many contradictions to cosmological observation, basic sense in the first few lines, but we can skip ahead a little here - but not too far):
The creation of man.
Snevaeh, we know very, very well how humans evolved. and we know very, very well, that humans are not generated directly from dust, in one day. Now, this part of the bible lends itself easily and very often to interpretation - but it is interpreted for the very good reason that it DOES NOT make literal sense - if we didn't know about cosmology, evolution, etc. you wouldn't bother interpreting it - but we do - so you interpret it to try to make it all fit, as you will no doubt try to do.
The fact remains, genesis lies. And that's just the first few verses!
(then the poor all-powerful dear had to have a rest - existing independently of time, creating planets and such, means he has to have a sunday off - wipe your sweaty, soiled brow, dear god.)
Tell me, how did the universe come from nothing.

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Can I offer an answer?
We need go no further than genesis to find the first most accessible fabrication (there are actually many, many contradictions to cosmological observation, basic sense in the first few lines, but we can skip ahead a little here - but not too far):
The creation of man.
Snevaeh, we know very, very well how humans evolved. and we know very, very well, that humans are not generated directly from dust, in one day. Now, this part of the bible lends itself easily and very often to interpretation - but it is interpreted for the very good reason that it DOES NOT make literal sense - if we didn't know about cosmology, evolution, etc. you wouldn't bother interpreting it - but we do - so you interpret it to try to make it all fit, as you will no doubt try to do.
The fact remains, genesis lies. And that's just the first few verses!
(then the poor all-powerful dear had to have a rest - existing independently of time, creating planets and such, means he has to have a sunday off - wipe your sweaty, soiled brow, dear god.)
Now God created us, yet you disrespect him. In the end, you'll know the truth.

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Fair enough and I will respect your feelings and beliefs but please know for future reference that just because somebody is telling you that there is actual and historical evidence contrary to the bible, god and Jesus that it doesn't necessarily mean their message of fact is being delivered by satan. It could just simply mean they care.
I was once in your shoes prayer warrior and one day I found my own inner strength and began to question. I didn't like a lot of the answers I found as they were life altering but at least they were true and factual and not mythical and fantasy and with those answers I realized it's me who makes me and me who breaks me and that I am fully responsible for my success and failure (which is actually more gratifying and it made me think a lot longer and harder before I acted and reacted because I don't have a safety pray/forgiveness Jesus net) not a sky father and not a pesky middle earth devil as it pertains in the bible.
I am loosely agnostic as none of us know for a rock solid fact what's beyond our atmosphere but I do believe we've been visited by our future selves and other species because there's just too much evidence to the contrary to dispute it any longer. Even the bible speaks of flying metal chariots used by god to whisk people away and bring them back. God doesn't need flying mechanisms to get around does he? Angels weren't even called angels several hundred years ago, they were godlike people who could fly in winged mechanisms. Religious men changed them into angels for symbolic purposes.
That's why the books that were ripped out by the council of Nicaea and various kings need to be put back in along with the book of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and the bible needs to be accurately translated because I guarantee it will read totally different to what it does today and it might actually tell us where we really came from and it will be the best guide on earth rather than the best controlling tool on earth.
Christians and the religious want people to open their heart and close their minds and come to their god as a child and see and hear as they do but are unwilling to reciprocate and be open minded when it comes to seeing and hearing and fully entertaining logic. Most of us that no longer believe were once believers. The opposite is not true as religion especially christianity is everywhere and in everything and in many parts of the country and world it's being indoctrinated from day 1. One almost cannot get away from it.
Tell me, how did the universe come from nothing, who wrote the bible, how could nothing create such a beautiful earth, how did atoms come form "Nothing"

I would be sorry if I was you, because did you know, love couldn't of even been created without a supreme being.
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I"ll do both your replies in the one, I hope you don't mind.
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<quoted text>Tell me, how did the universe come from nothing
Well, you've implicitly acknowledged you think it's come from nothing - that is something you can't know. We have no idea where it came from, and nor do you. The difference is that I have no qualms about being intellectually honest and saying 'I don't know', but it seems this is not a statement in your vernacular.

IF you want to insist you know how the universe formed - GREAT! but a bronzeage book about a god that hacks up kids that is demonstrated to contain factual errors, is not a proof. proof is something we can TEST. Do you understand?
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Now God created us, yet you disrespect him. In the end, you'll know the truth.
Okay, so here is where your brain farted. Youre making a claim - GREAT... PROVE IT. if you cannot, then you cannot actually make an intelligent claim - you can, however, make an unintelligent one, which you have done with admirable gusto.

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...and we know very, very well, that humans are not generated directly from dust, in one day.
Hello bnzo, Can you tell me how you came to this conclusion?:)

ps. As I am in and out, I may not answer right away. I shall reply within a reasonable amount of time though...

Have a great day bnzo!!!
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Hello bnzo, Can you tell me how you came to this conclusion?:)
ps. As I am in and out, I may not answer right away. I shall reply within a reasonable amount of time though...
Have a great day bnzo!!!
I actually never expected such a question. I can't tell if you're trolling me or not.

Firstly - I've seen kids being born. not directly from dust. This is a direct observation by me.
secondly, we know humans evolved - from other animals, also not directly from dust. This is a direct observation by factual researchers, who not only allow their data to be questioned, but actually encourage it to be questioned - as long as you can do it in a logical and reasonable way.

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I actually never expected such a question. I can't tell if you're trolling me or not.
Firstly - I've seen kids being born. not directly from dust. This is a direct observation by me.
secondly, we know humans evolved - from other animals, also not directly from dust. This is a direct observation by factual researchers, who not only allow their data to be questioned, but actually encourage it to be questioned - as long as you can do it in a logical and reasonable way.
Lol, a little errogant don't cha think to say that I was trolling you? I troll 'no one.' The fact that I am replying to you, means I am 'replying to you.' No need to look into ulterior motives, unless you are projecting... In that case you would be classified as insecure and paranoid, blended with a hint of ego to go...

I do not believe we came from animals, and you still did not answer my question... Think before you speak, because I was born ready...

ps. If you would rather me not post to you in the future, I suggest you just scroll by when ever we are on the same street... Good day bnzo

:) SL

pss. I do have one friend I look for (not trolling) because he is intelligent, kind, loyale, funny and strong, and is good to me! He is also a former Marine... I had never heard of 'you' until now... sorry
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Lol, a little errogant don't cha think to say that I was trolling you? I troll 'no one.'
In my defense, your question was absurd.
I do not believe we came from animals
Nor do I. The fact, and it's up to you to ignore the fact, is that we ARE animals. This is provable, but again, you're perhaps wilfuly ignorant in this matter - most theist are.
The other fact I'm betting you're also wilfully ignorant on (please accept my apology if I am mistaken), is that not only are we animals, we are part of the ape family - we did not evolve from apes, we ARE apes. Again, if you bothered to learn about it, you'd know this is a provable fact. Again, I'm going to be that not only did you not know it, you'll actively choose to never know it. You may also choose to vehemently rant against the demonstrable fact in defiance of the fact that it is, actually, entirely provable.
Again, my apologies if I have it wrong, perhaps your marine pal can help sort me out. When he surfaces.

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In my defense, your question was absurd.
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Nor do I. The fact, and it's up to you to ignore the fact, is that we ARE animals. This is provable, but again, you're perhaps wilfuly ignorant in this matter - most theist are.
The other fact I'm betting you're also wilfully ignorant on (please accept my apology if I am mistaken), is that not only are we animals, we are part of the ape family - we did not evolve from apes, we ARE apes. Again, if you bothered to learn about it, you'd know this is a provable fact. Again, I'm going to be that not only did you not know it, you'll actively choose to never know it. You may also choose to vehemently rant against the demonstrable fact in defiance of the fact that it is, actually, entirely provable.
Again, my apologies if I have it wrong, perhaps your marine pal can help sort me out. When he surfaces.
Again lol, My question was resplendent! I knew you couldn't answer it. I do not ask a question I canot answer myself... I 'have' studied this issue in depth, and have come away with an opposite and satisfying conclussion, without vehemently ranting against it.

In conclussion, we just don't agree...
My Marine only comes out for me. If he were to surface, most likey would agree with you on some level of your theology, but would respect my feelings in the process...:) That is why we are friends... he completes me, and he is not a Christian...

If you took the chance to get to know me, you might feel the same. I truly hope you have a great afternoon, where ever that may be...
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