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#232 Jan 22, 2013
last paragraph... I meant to say was, What Pharaoh 'doesn't' get.... Lol

(I got too excited)
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#233 Jan 23, 2013
Why was my post number 230 ghosted:
Olive wrote:
I think that power cannot control religion, as hard as it wants to and as often as it co-opts it, and that is why the best religion has figure-heads like Christ, who was nothing less, than an outsider activist who spoke his mind weather they wanted to hear it or not, hated by power.
If the fundamentalists really got the message, they would not care for it one bit.
There can be no doubt that power and the politics of religion have vastly influenced religion, throughout history and to this day. Are there some individuals who are not, sure, but I'm speaking to the organizations who control it ... not the little guy.

For this reason, IMO, the best religions are the ones that don't involve organizations.

You mention, Christ being an activist, and that is precisely what I see him as. I don't see him as being a god or the son of god,. however. We don't even know if he ever claimed this, since the gospels were written so long after his death. Who knows what he actually stood for.

In terms of being an activist, you can look to the money exchanging incident for proof of this. He wanted to buck the system. How far he could do so, was likely constrained by the thinking of the time, including his own, and his own upbringing in presumably a very religious family. I think had Jesus been born today, he would not be a religious man.

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#234 Jan 23, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
Why was my post number 230 ghosted:
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There can be no doubt that power and the politics of religion have vastly influenced religion, throughout history and to this day. Are there some individuals who are not, sure, but I'm speaking to the organizations who control it ... not the little guy.
For this reason, IMO, the best religions are the ones that don't involve organizations.
You mention, Christ being an activist, and that is precisely what I see him as. I don't see him as being a god or the son of god,. however. We don't even know if he ever claimed this, since the gospels were written so long after his death. Who knows what he actually stood for.
In terms of being an activist, you can look to the money exchanging incident for proof of this. He wanted to buck the system. How far he could do so, was likely constrained by the thinking of the time, including his own, and his own upbringing in presumably a very religious family. I think had Jesus been born today, he would not be a religious man.
Weird, there are three missing.

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#235 Jan 23, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Yes, you are most likely correct, Pharaoh feared the Israelites because they had achieved the most immigrant status in the land of Egypt. The Egyptians had welcomed foreigners because of Joseph, who had rose second-in-command next to Pharaoh.
To make a long story short, Pharaoh makes three attempts to weaken the Israelites. What Pharaoh does get, is that God is at work here to bring down the powerful from their throne, and bring back up the weak. JMOAA Just my opinion as always... SL :)
I do believe that's what the book says ;)

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#236 Jan 23, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
Why was my post number 230 ghosted:
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There can be no doubt that power and the politics of religion have vastly influenced religion, throughout history and to this day. Are there some individuals who are not, sure, but I'm speaking to the organizations who control it ... not the little guy.
And vice-versa, that's why our constitution separates church and state, to prevent the church from taking over.
For this reason, IMO, the best religions are the ones that don't involve organizations.
You mention, Christ being an activist, and that is precisely what I see him as. I don't see him as being a god or the son of god,. however. We don't even know if he ever claimed this, since the gospels were written so long after his death. Who knows what he actually stood for.
True, 400 years is a long time, especially when they didn't have google.
In terms of being an activist, you can look to the money exchanging incident for proof of this. He wanted to buck the system. How far he could do so, was likely constrained by the thinking of the time, including his own, and his own upbringing in presumably a very religious family. I think had Jesus been born today, he would not be a religious man.
I don't think anyone would believe his story. He would be put in an assylum someplace.

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#237 Jan 23, 2013
there is nothing on here that should be missing.
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#238 Jan 23, 2013
-Persephone- wrote:
there is nothing on here that should be missing.
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Good morning Persephone :)Not sure what that means Lol. It's a beautiful day here.. SL

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#239 Jan 23, 2013
You poor dears...

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#240 Jan 23, 2013
I meant posts should not be missing. This is a GREAT discussion.
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Good morning Persephone :)Not sure what that means Lol. It's a beautiful day here.. SL

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#241 Jan 23, 2013
*muah*
Brian_G wrote:
You poor dears...

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#242 Jan 23, 2013
Yeah, I have no idea why that was ghosted.

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#243 Jan 23, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
Yeah, I have no idea why that was ghosted.
Does kind of make you wonder what they said. If may just have been duplicate posts.

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#244 Jan 23, 2013
-Persephone- wrote:
I meant posts should not be missing. This is a GREAT discussion. <quoted text>
Okay, got it. Lol I hope your having a great day! SL

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#245 Jan 23, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Good point. Yeah, I don't get that either. It's also supposedly a big deal that it's his ONE begotten son who died for us. I mean it's not like god has tons of sons running around and he just lost one of them. NOOOO, he loves us so much that he sacrificed his ONLY son.
However, the fact that he has only ONE son, must be artificially imposed by god himself. Certainly he could have more sons or daughters for that matter, if he wanted? He's god, after all. If he wanted to he could knock up every woman on the planet!!!
Even if you take away the fact that he was supposedly his ONE and only son aspect, what you say applies. As a father, how is bring your son to your side in paradise making a sacrifice? Wouldn't any father want his son to be near him? Unless god is bad dad. I wonder if he is one of those guys who is always behind on child support payments.
Bwahahaha. I'm done. Sorry, I'm just having fun with this. I don't mean to insult anyone.
Hi Sublime, I have some responses to your earlier posts. I will have them out today... I'm glad your here... SL

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#246 Jan 23, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
Why was my post number 230 ghosted:
<quoted text>
There can be no doubt that power and the politics of religion have vastly influenced religion, throughout history and to this day. Are there some individuals who are not, sure, but I'm speaking to the organizations who control it ... not the little guy.
For this reason, IMO, the best religions are the ones that don't involve organizations.
You mention, Christ being an activist, and that is precisely what I see him as. I don't see him as being a god or the son of god,. however. We don't even know if he ever claimed this, since the gospels were written so long after his death. Who knows what he actually stood for.
In terms of being an activist, you can look to the money exchanging incident for proof of this. He wanted to buck the system. How far he could do so, was likely constrained by the thinking of the time, including his own, and his own upbringing in presumably a very religious family. I think had Jesus been born today, he would not be a religious man.
Why was my post number 230 ghosted:
Hi Sublime, if you are asking me, I don't know. I don't even know what that means... SL

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#247 Jan 23, 2013
Oy.
Sublime1 wrote:
Yeah, I have no idea why that was ghosted.

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#248 Jan 23, 2013
Awesome! Hope you are too!
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Okay, got it. Lol I hope your having a great day! SL

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#249 Jan 23, 2013
-Persephone- wrote:
Awesome! Hope you are too!<quoted text>
Yes, so far so good... Lol :)

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#250 Jan 23, 2013
Sublime1 quoted.
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>I originally became agnostic, because it occurred to me that there are a number of religions in the world and which particular religion folks follow almost exclusively has to do with in which region of the world you were born and what the religion of your parents were.
Ans- I agree with that.
It also occurred to me that regardless of what religion folks follow, they all seem to be just as sure that their religion is the one true religion and that the religion of everyone else is false.
Ans- I agree with that too!
The most common pronouncement being that … well somebody had to create life. To which I asked, well then who created god? If somebody had to create life, then who created god?
Ans- Trust me, I have asked the same question. With no avail. No one has ever satisfied my curiosity. Yet something Spiritual pulls me toward God.
Are you telling me that a god is necessary for life, but some god with super hero powers can just spontaneously exist? It makes no sense to me.
Ans- Yes, IMHO God is necessary for the here, and after. It does seem hard to believe. I am very careful to say this, but after being filled with the'Holy Spirit', I have a whole new light of things.(please don't run away, I value your input) Trust me when I say, It doesn't make sense to me either, and foreign as well...
Ans- Yes, IMHO God is necessary for the here, and after. It does seem hard to believe. I am very careful to say this, but after being filled with the 'Holy Spirit', I have a whole new light of things. Do all things related to God, have to make sense?
So with this understanding, I asked myself, what is more likely to have spontaneously come into existence … a very primitive single celled organism with no super hero powers (which subsequently via evolution led to more complex life, such as we know today) or some omnipotent god with super hero powers.
Ans- I see your point. I see a God with Omnipresence.(and that is okay, truly) Gosh, it would be very boring if we all agreed, right?
The answer seemed very clear to me. It’s like asking what is more likely to have been created through no intervention … a pencil (the equivalent to a simple single celled organism) to or the space shuttle (the equivalent to an omnipotent god with super hero powers). Although it seems difficult that a pencil could just spontaneously exist, it seems to me that it would be far more difficult for the space shuttle to just spontaneously exist.
Yes, it would be almost impossible for a pencil, and the space shuttle to spontaneously exist.
Ans-Respectfully, it seems to me that you are someone who has done their homework on this subject and have sought out answers for many things (I applaud that) what surprises me is that you have never encountered 'Spiritual Languages', or aka 'Speaking in Tongues'.
With that being said, your opinions matter to me. I will always look at both side of the equation... Thanks for taking the time to post all you did.
Love to you. I hope you have a beautiful day, where ever you are.
ps. Would be fun to put all of us in one big room and discuss this.( We might have to put Satan in his own room, just kidding Satan, but no touching the 'Angels') Who knows maybe when I pray for the festivities to begin,(there will be lot's of food) I will speak in tongues for you, and then you can decide... Lol Just keepin' it light!
I don't care what anyone believes, they are welcome to be in my life regardless....:) SL

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#251 Jan 23, 2013
IXSatanXI wrote:
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Right, the prophecy was that the messiah would be born of a virgin. Mary was raped by a Roman soldier named Panthera. The only hope of saving her life was to say she was the chosen one. Besides, they needed a savior and the people were more than willing to gobble up the story.
Why was Joseph and family in Bethlehem at the time of Jesus' birth? Or were they? Jesus of Nazareth right? Not Jesus of Bethlehem. Was that fabricated to fufill the prophecy? Or did they make the 90 mile trek to Bethlehem for some strange reason (other than to simply add to belief the prophecy was being fulfilled)?
I'm sure somebody has those answers, however it's not me. During that time I was on Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew.
Are you Bob Forrest?
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