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The"Holy Spirit"Empowers!
Have you ever received the "Holy Ghost?"
Let us know...
God gives special powers for His 'children', when they face extraordinary challenges in living the life of a believer, and in the process of witnessing the Gospel of Jesus.
Before His ascension, Jesus tells His disciples to wait on Him to receive power before going out to witness about Him.
Luke 24:49 ,“You are witnesses ... but stay in the city, until you are clothed with power from on high.” Acts 1:8,“And you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth.”
Please keep your threads civil...:)
*Quoted from 'Guarding the Heart"

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Have you ever received the "Holy Ghost?"
The first day God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night.
Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). 1:3-5
God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. 1:6-8
Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:11
In an apparent endorsement of astrology, God places the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament so that they can be used "for signs".
"He made the stars also." God spends a day making light (before making the stars) and separating light from darkness; then, and almost as an afterthought, he makes the trillions of stars. 1:16
"And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth." 1:17
"I have given you every herb ... and every tree ... for meat." 1:29
"He rested."
2:2
God gets tired?
"The tree of life ... and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."
God created two magic trees: the tree of life and the tree of knowledge. Eat from the the first, and you live forever (3:22); eat from the second and you'll die the same day (2:17).
That's what God said, but......
Adam ate from the tree of knowledge and lived for another 930 years or so (5:5).
But he never got a change to eat from the tree of life. God prevented him from eating from the tree of life before Adam could eat from the tree, become a god, and live forever.) 2:9
God makes the animals and parades them before Adam to see if any would strike his fancy. But none seem to have what it takes to please him. After making the animals, God has Adam name them all. The naming of several million species must have kept Adam busy for a while. 2:18-20
God's clever, talking serpent. 3:1
God walks and talks (to himself?) in the garden, and plays a little hide and seek with Adam and Eve. 3:8-11
God curses the serpent. From now on the serpent will crawl on his belly and eat dust. 3:14
God curses the ground and causes thorns and thistles to grow. 3:17-18
God kills some animals and makes some skin coats for Adam and Eve. 3:21
God expels Adam and Eve from the garden before they get a chance to eat from that other tree -- the tree of life.
God knows that if they do that, they well become "like one of us" and live forever. 3:22-24
Cain is worried after killing Abel and says, "Every one who finds me shall slay me." 4:14
"And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD." 4:16
"And Cain knew his wife." 4:17
Lamech kills a man and claims that since Cain's murderer would be punished sevenfold, whoever murders him will be punished seventy-seven fold. 4:23-24
"And to Seth ... was born a son." 4:26
God created a man and a woman, and he "called their name Adam." too! 5:2
The first men had incredibly long life spans. 5:5, 5:8, 5:11, 5:14, 5:17, 5:20, 5:23, 5:27, 5:31, 9:29
Enoch doesn't die he just ascends into heaven. 5:21-24
When Lamech was born, nine generations were alive at once. Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, and Lamech were all alive at the time of Lamech's birth. Adam lived to see his great-great-great-great-great- great-grandson. 5:25
When Noah was 500 years old, he had three sons.
[Three sons in one year? Was that with one (nameless) wife or several?] 5:32

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The "sons of God" copulated with the "daughters of men," and had sons who became "the mighty men of old, men of renown." 6:2-4
"The LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh."
God shortened the human lifespan to 120 years because humans are "flesh" and he was tired of fighting with them. 6:3
"There were giants in the earth in those days." 6:4
God decides to kill all living things because the human imagination is evil. Later (8:21), after he kills everything, he promises never to do it again because the human imagination is evil. 6:5
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Should have known you would be my 1st! Lol... As per your eloquently clever thread, point taken... & Yes S, I have been filled with the 'Holy Spirit' and I was given the power of 'Speaking in Tongues... I come in peace, but tread lightly...:):)

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Thought provoking!
IXSatanXI wrote:
Have you ever received the "Holy Ghost?"
The first day God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night.
Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). 1:3-5
God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. 1:6-8
Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:11
In an apparent endorsement of astrology, God places the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament so that they can be used "for signs".
"He made the stars also." God spends a day making light (before making the stars) and separating light from darkness; then, and almost as an afterthought, he makes the trillions of stars. 1:16
"And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth." 1:17
"I have given you every herb ... and every tree ... for meat." 1:29
"He rested."
2:2
God gets tired?
"The tree of life ... and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."
God created two magic trees: the tree of life and the tree of knowledge. Eat from the the first, and you live forever (3:22); eat from the second and you'll die the same day (2:17).
That's what God said, but......
Adam ate from the tree of knowledge and lived for another 930 years or so (5:5).
But he never got a change to eat from the tree of life. God prevented him from eating from the tree of life before Adam could eat from the tree, become a god, and live forever.) 2:9
God makes the animals and parades them before Adam to see if any would strike his fancy. But none seem to have what it takes to please him. After making the animals, God has Adam name them all. The naming of several million species must have kept Adam busy for a while. 2:18-20
God's clever, talking serpent. 3:1
God walks and talks (to himself?) in the garden, and plays a little hide and seek with Adam and Eve. 3:8-11
God curses the serpent. From now on the serpent will crawl on his belly and eat dust. 3:14
God curses the ground and causes thorns and thistles to grow. 3:17-18
God kills some animals and makes some skin coats for Adam and Eve. 3:21
God expels Adam and Eve from the garden before they get a chance to eat from that other tree -- the tree of life.
God knows that if they do that, they well become "like one of us" and live forever. 3:22-24
Cain is worried after killing Abel and says, "Every one who finds me shall slay me." 4:14
"And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD." 4:16
"And Cain knew his wife." 4:17
Lamech kills a man and claims that since Cain's murderer would be punished sevenfold, whoever murders him will be punished seventy-seven fold. 4:23-24
"And to Seth ... was born a son." 4:26
God created a man and a woman, and he "called their name Adam." too! 5:2
The first men had incredibly long life spans. 5:5, 5:8, 5:11, 5:14, 5:17, 5:20, 5:23, 5:27, 5:31, 9:29
Enoch doesn't die he just ascends into heaven. 5:21-24
When Lamech was born, nine generations were alive at once. Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, and Lamech were all alive at the time of Lamech's birth. Adam lived to see his great-great-great-great-great- great-grandson. 5:25
When Noah was 500 years old, he had three sons.
[Three sons in one year? Was that with one (nameless) wife or several?] 5:32

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Should have known you would be my 1st! Lol... As per your eloquently clever thread, point taken... & Yes S, I have been filled with the 'Holy Spirit' and I was given the power of 'Speaking in Tongues... I come in peace, but tread lightly...:):)
Treading lightly has never really been my strong suit. Do you handle snakes and all that too? I have never understood the speaking in tongues. I know what you think it is, but in reality, deep down, you and I both know it's a farce.

So, back to the subject at hand. Why do you think some people find it difficult to articulate with "holy spirit filled" people? I think it is you that can't articulate. None ever have an original thought. Do you mean to say we can't dispute the word of the bible? Do you mean that you can recite versus of the bible then feel no need to explain them? Why should you need to explain them? Is that because they are open to interpretation? Of course it is, so if they are open to interpretation how can anyone be certain their interpretation is right? You can't. Go to ten different churches with a bible verse and you will get 10 different explainations.

At any rate, as much fun as this could be I will undoubtedly get very bored very fast because you will come back with some bible verse as a rebuttle that means nothing, so sayeth the lord.

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Treading lightly has never really been my strong suit. Do you handle snakes and all that too? I have never understood the speaking in tongues. I know what you think it is, but in reality, deep down, you and I both know it's a farce.
So, back to the subject at hand. Why do you think some people find it difficult to articulate with "holy spirit filled" people? I think it is you that can't articulate. None ever have an original thought. Do you mean to say we can't dispute the word of the bible? Do you mean that you can recite versus of the bible then feel no need to explain them? Why should you need to explain them? Is that because they are open to interpretation? Of course it is, so if they are open to interpretation how can anyone be certain their interpretation is right? You can't. Go to ten different churches with a bible verse and you will get 10 different explainations.
At any rate, as much fun as this could be I will undoubtedly get very bored very fast because you will come back with some bible verse as a rebuttle that means nothing, so sayeth the lord.
Wow! You really know how to make an argument!
I don't believe in the speaking in tongues either. I don't believe that people should dress or have their hair a certen way either. I believe in God but more along the lines of him being the energy of the universe.

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Wow! You really know how to make an argument!
I don't believe in the speaking in tongues either. I don't believe that people should dress or have their hair a certen way either. I believe in God but more along the lines of him being the energy of the universe.
I'm agnostic, myself. I think most folks who are atheist or agnostic can understand folks who believe in a higher power, but to take a literal interpretation of the bible just demonstrates a complete and utter lack of critical thinking skills.

It's filled with so many contradictions and was heavily influenced by the leaders (there was a lot of politics going on as well) of the early Catholic church. Even the New Testament was written long after the death of Jesus. There were additional Gospels that were left out, because they didn't suit the early churches agenda or supported competing schools of thought on Christianity.

Folks would be well advised to pick up a history book and put down the bible, IMO.
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Arduous? I'm thinking impossible. It's kind of hard to discuss views with someone who starts each sentence with "The bible says..." and when finished speaking, well... actually quoting, smugly expects that to stand as all the "proof" they need. I'm expected to definitively prove a negative and their "proof" is one book containing man's interpretation of what god said? C'mon man!

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Wow! You really know how to make an argument!
I don't believe in the speaking in tongues either. I don't believe that people should dress or have their hair a certen way either. I believe in God but more along the lines of him being the energy of the universe.
I think it is perfectly ok for people to believe in God, in whatever form "he" takes for them. I think religion is necessary to a degree because it gives people a sense of censequence. It's all that really separates us from the other animals. I think it's the same as Santa Claus is for little kids.

DISCLAIMER: KIDS PLEASE STOP READING THIS NOW

Santa isn't real, but he is real enough in the minds of children that they aren't willing to risk him not being real and sacrfice all those presents. I think God, Budha, whatever are the same thing. I grew out of it, some don't and that's ok. I am not trying to change anyone's mind about religion. People are free to believe what they want. However, I don't like it when non-believers are attacked because they simply don't believe. I think that goes against our nations founding doctrine, which will over rule the bible any day of the week in my opinion.

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I'm agnostic, myself. I think most folks who are atheist or agnostic can understand folks who believe in a higher power, but to take a literal interpretation of the bible just demonstrates a complete and utter lack of critical thinking skills.
It's filled with so many contradictions and was heavily influenced by the leaders (there was a lot of politics going on as well) of the early Catholic church. Even the New Testament was written long after the death of Jesus. There were additional Gospels that were left out, because they didn't suit the early churches agenda or supported competing schools of thought on Christianity.
Folks would be well advised to pick up a history book and put down the bible, IMO.
Most to this day avoid the entire book of Leviticus, except for the part about the gays. They count that part because like you said, it suits their agenda.

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I'm agnostic, myself. I think most folks who are atheist or agnostic can understand folks who believe in a higher power, but to take a literal interpretation of the bible just demonstrates a complete and utter lack of critical thinking skills.
It's filled with so many contradictions and was heavily influenced by the leaders (there was a lot of politics going on as well) of the early Catholic church. Even the New Testament was written long after the death of Jesus. There were additional Gospels that were left out, because they didn't suit the early churches agenda or supported competing schools of thought on Christianity.
Folks would be well advised to pick up a history book and put down the bible, IMO.
I agree.
You see it from a woman's view! Just about everything in it portrays women as inferior to men. Like we are pets or evil. So much is missing from the bible. So many years of Jesus's life. I think that was a very important part that was taken out by the church. It was the part that talked about the light.
I believe what is in your heart is all that matters.

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Most to this day avoid the entire book of Leviticus, except for the part about the gays.
Yep.

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I agree.
You see it from a woman's view! Just about everything in it portrays women as inferior to men. Like we are pets or evil. So much is missing from the bible. So many years of Jesus's life. I think that was a very important part that was taken out by the church. It was the part that talked about the light.
I believe what is in your heart is all that matters.
I agree.

When the Catholic church was forming it was heavily influenced by the Roman culture. Women were not even close to being equal in Roman times. They weren't even given individual names. For example, if you were in Julius Caesar's family and were a woman, your name would be Julia and so would any sisters that you may have had. Only men were given individual names.

Except for the Vestal Virgins, men were the ones who played the predominate roles in Roman religion too.

The early church elders selected Gospels that supported the image of women as being inferior to men and down played the role Mary Magdalen played in the life of Jesus.

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I agree.
You see it from a woman's view! Just about everything in it portrays women as inferior to men. Like we are pets or evil. So much is missing from the bible. So many years of Jesus's life. I think that was a very important part that was taken out by the church. It was the part that talked about the light.
I believe what is in your heart is all that matters.
It's only missing what, 30 of the 33 years?

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I think it is perfectly ok for people to believe in God, in whatever form "he" takes for them. I think religion is necessary to a degree because it gives people a sense of censequence. It's all that really separates us from the other animals. I think it's the same as Santa Claus is for little kids.
DISCLAIMER: KIDS PLEASE STOP READING THIS NOW
Santa isn't real, but he is real enough in the minds of children that they aren't willing to risk him not being real and sacrfice all those presents. I think God, Budha, whatever are the same thing. I grew out of it, some don't and that's ok. I am not trying to change anyone's mind about religion. People are free to believe what they want. However, I don't like it when non-believers are attacked because they simply don't believe. I think that goes against our nations founding doctrine, which will over rule the bible any day of the week in my opinion.
Haha!
I think you have to look at the bible as something written by man to explain something that they didn't understand. Can you imagine what the same people would write if they came here to this time for five minutes?
How would they explain cars, airplanes and cell phones.

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Haha!
I think you have to look at the bible as something written by man to explain something that they didn't understand. Can you imagine what the same people would write if they came here to this time for five minutes?
How would they explain cars, airplanes and cell phones.
You are exactly right. I completely agree. I think most people know that, like I said, they still have faith, just in case.

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