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#13991 Apr 27, 2013
DazzleDat wrote:
Good morning everyone! Great choice Cat!
I see not a lot has changed in the past week.
Thanks Dazzle, good morning! So good to see you. No, nothing has changed around here. Apparently, people on topix think that change is bad, except when it comes to changing socks. At least those are always new. lol.

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#13992 Apr 27, 2013
Hiya, Barbi! I see I get the requisite meanie faces when I post here :)

“Grrrrr”

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Barbi and Baron

#13993 Apr 27, 2013
-CatCiao- wrote:
Hiya, Barbi! I see I get the requisite meanie faces when I post here :)
Hi Cat! We've been getting them routinely for several days now, so it's not just you. Actually, I use them to gauge whether or not I'm showing. So, they are useful.
:D

“maybe”

Level 6

Since: Sep 12

maybe not

#13998 Apr 27, 2013
Abby Normal One wrote:
<quoted text>I am not sure how I do it.
I know how. I'm in his head and not paying rent.

Live long and prop(sper)

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#13999 Apr 27, 2013
Gaydar Alert wrote:
<quoted text>
sounds legit that you'd heart steely dan since
steely dan was named after a strap on vibrator
Really? I wonder why they didn't call it Steely BOB. I think they missed the boat on that one. Do you have a link?

:-P

“maybe”

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Since: Sep 12

maybe not

#14000 Apr 27, 2013
Barbi A wrote:
<quoted text>Do you mean from Pt. Reyes to Novato and back to I-80? Or up further up to Clear Lake and then Mendocino? I've been all over that area for many years, but when I go to the Sierra Nevada (Tahoe) it's via 80 because that's quickest for me. Ugly drive, but I'm there in less than two hours.
I drove through Shasta on my way home after depositing my daughter in Arcata a few years ago, to go to school. It was a really difficult time for me, and I knew what scenery I needed for the way home so was intentionally alone. I will never forget that drive. Thank God for those mountains.
Hard times always feel like the desert. Pine or evergreens are the balm.

I'm looking at a map now - several passes 80 - 50 - 88 - 108. 108 looks like it gets you into Yosemite. From the google map site they all look like they would be beautiful drives. My thoughts are about going up 395 and staying in Bishop with a friend then heading north up 395, crossing over the sierrahs on one of those routes. Or just hugging the coast.

“maybe”

Level 6

Since: Sep 12

maybe not

#14001 Apr 27, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
More Steely Dan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VpgE8CpxZFIXX
My Mr Man is a Steely Dan fan (poem). I think they're going to be playing in the area soon. Saw the adverts somewhere.

Since: May 12

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#14008 Apr 27, 2013
Rose of Tralee wrote:
<quoted text>
Hard times always feel like the desert. Pine or evergreens are the balm.
I'm looking at a map now - several passes 80 - 50 - 88 - 108. 108 looks like it gets you into Yosemite. From the google map site they all look like they would be beautiful drives. My thoughts are about going up 395 and staying in Bishop with a friend then heading north up 395, crossing over the sierrahs on one of those routes. Or just hugging the coast.
Hey Ms Rose. How ya doin? Just got back from a little road trip ourselves the other day. Went down to Phoenix and picked up an engine for the hay grinder. On the way back up, we spent a couple days at the Grand Canyon. Carried the bike down with us so we could do some tooling around.
I didn't catch when you were planning your road trip, but the road into Yosemite (SR120, Tioga Pass) is closed in the winter and spring. But if you get the chance to drive it, it's beautiful. And the Wawona Lodge is a great place to stay at when you're in Yosemite Valley. You'll need reservations of course. From there, its just a hop, skip and a jump down into Kings Canyon and Sequoia National Parks. The drive from Yosemite to Kings Canyon is all small twisty two lane. From Sequoia, you drop down SR223 if I remember right, out of Bodfish (Miracle Hot Springs) thru Arvin and then I-5 south. Or you can drop down to Metler and pick up SR166 west into Santa Maria and then US101 south. But in any case, get on the net and look up www.dot.ca.gov . There is a place to type in any CA. highway and find out if its open or not. Another source is 800-427-7623. That one tells you about road construction in the state.

“Grrrrr”

Level 8

Since: Jan 12

Barbi and Baron

#14010 Apr 28, 2013
Richard Barlow wrote:
<quoted text>
The Catholic Church (more precisely the Vatican) played the major roll in the extermination of the Jews. Hitler was just the means in which to do that. During Hitlers rise to power, the Vatican regularly praised his efforts in doing gods work. In the 30s, the Vatican was losing its grip on the western region of Europe. The churches there were breaking away in large numbers and the Jewish religion was increasing its numbers rapidly. The Catholic Church, being nothing more that a money making operation, saw its profits dwindling. They had to do something drastic to stop that. And when they saw how popular Hitler was becoming, their opportunity to reclaim their largest source of income presented itself. WW2 was always about money. Ever wonder why Africa was so important during the war? Wealth. One of Hitlers top orders to his field commanders, was the capture and securement of the diamond mines and oil supplies. That whole disgusting mess was perpetrated for one reason. The Catholic Churches quest to keep its money and power. That was how monitory help was funneled to the nazis from the U.S. during the war. It went thru the Vatican. Bet you never heard any of that in history class. Hell, it's not even being hidden.
Richard, with sincere respect, I accept your disdain for Catholics, but to levy such accusations surprises me. No offense, please, but you're wrong. Hitler, who was extremely popular before World War II, wooed the Catholic church into signing a treaty and the church wisely did so to retain its power. In fact, as far as I know, the "concordant" is still in effect.
However, whatever support, and certainly not allegiance, in the agreement and stupidly construed by Hitler as a major political score, was quickly withdrawn when he revealed himself as mad as a hatter, racist, and bloodthirsty to slaughter the Jews, thus creating his Aryan race.
Catholic Church and Aryan race? Hardly. The church condemned this, with the German Catholics a bit slower to grasp what was happening.
Of course the matter is controversial and always will be, but I consider the argument another excuse for scholars to pontificate (pardon the pun) piffle.
I'm glad the Vatican is as powerful as it is and while their hands are far from clean, they're not stained with the blood of the Holocaust.

“Woof!”

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Since: May 11

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#14011 Apr 28, 2013
rubygoober wrote:
<quoted text>
I read an article in Mother Earth News years ago about setting
up a worm bed under your kitchen sink.
It said, if the worms were well fed they would not crawl out
of the bin.
Supposedly, they did not cause an odor because they are such
fast composters.
No, I had no desire to have a worm bed under my kitchen sink...
Me neither.

“Woof!”

Level 8

Since: May 11

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#14012 Apr 28, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>Lots of people compost indoors with red worms specifically. I hear they are voracious eaters and poopers. I read that regular earthworms aren't but, I'm happy to see them in my compost piles, regardless of color.
The red worms here are $35 for 4 ounces. I've got the regular earthworms in my yard.

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#14013 Apr 28, 2013
Barbi A wrote:
<quoted text>Richard, with sincere respect, I accept your disdain for Catholics, but to levy such accusations surprises me. No offense, please, but you're wrong. Hitler, who was extremely popular before World War II, wooed the Catholic church into signing a treaty and the church wisely did so to retain its power. In fact, as far as I know, the "concordant" is still in effect.
However, whatever support, and certainly not allegiance, in the agreement and stupidly construed by Hitler as a major political score, was quickly withdrawn when he revealed himself as mad as a hatter, racist, and bloodthirsty to slaughter the Jews, thus creating his Aryan race.
Catholic Church and Aryan race? Hardly. The church condemned this, with the German Catholics a bit slower to grasp what was happening.
Of course the matter is controversial and always will be, but I consider the argument another excuse for scholars to pontificate (pardon the pun) piffle.
I'm glad the Vatican is as powerful as it is and while their hands are far from clean, they're not stained with the blood of the Holocaust.
Hello Ms Barbi. Hope all is well on your end. Got up and did the feeding early this morning. Going to take a ride up to Glaicer. Just sitting here finishing my breakfast.

First off, let me start by saying, I draw a distinction between Catholics and the Vatican. The Vatican is money and power mad and Catholics are their source for both. That being said, I do hold disdain for religion. All religion. I have no problem with faith however. It's when someone believes that one can only have faith because of a belief in religion, that I have a problem. Hope that makes sense.

The Concordance served more than one purpose.
Firstly, it solidified the Vaticans hold on the Bavarian Catholic Churches. They couldn't break from the Vatican for fear of being dissolved by the German political powers. Secondly, it effectively removed the catholic centrist party from being able to oppose the nazi party. The concordance was being talked about even before Hitler came to power. Without it, the centrist party was poised to take power in Germany. The Vatican, seeing the strategic importance of this, strongly pushed the Bishops to go along with it. Reluctantly, they did. The people, seeing what the Vatican was doing, followed along as well.

The Vatican is nothing more than an opportunistic fraternal organization. The only thing on their minds are power and money. If one has the money, they have the power. If you have the power, you can take more money. There are lists of artifacts that were given to the Nazis that the Vatican wanted. If they weren't perpetrators of this atrocity, those lists would never have existed. If they weren't collaborators with the Nazis, Pope Pius XII would not have stated that Hitler was doing gods work. If their hands weren't still dirty, they would open the vaults and give back to those countries, the artifacts that were stolen from them.

I'll reiterate what I said in the beginning. A person of faith has my respect. When combined with religion (which is man made) they lose that respect. It's just my personal feeling on the subject and the reason that I usually don't disguss it with whom I like. It doesn't turn out well most of the time.

“Illegitimi non carborundum”

Since: Apr 10

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#14014 Apr 28, 2013
So Richard, you don't respect anyone who goes to church? Isn't that being rather prejudical and closed minded? If you meet someone, enjoy their company and suddenly find out they attend church you lose all respect for them? You do realize that most people of faith obtain that faith first from attending a church, usually as a child? Let's say you know someone with faith for years and they decide to start attending church again do they lose your respect just for walking into a building?

Do you consider yourself an athiest, or do you not "label" yourself at all?

I am not trying to start any type of argument with you, I am trying to understand. You say you draw a distinction between a Catholic and the Vatican however I see them as the same because a man has to be Catholic to ultimately govern the church in the Vatican as the Pope.

I will readily admit "religions in the hands of some crazy azzed people" which is why I haven't attended church in years. I have friends of different faiths as well as pagen, agnostic and well, nothing as far as a belief in a "higher power" and cannot imagine losing their respect because I start attending church again. If that happened I would have to question their friendship to begin with.

“That's all folks...”

Since: Jan 12

Paradise North Georgia

#14015 Apr 28, 2013
Maverick 808 wrote:
<quoted text>The red worms here are $35 for 4 ounces. I've got the regular earthworms in my yard.
Have I got a proposition for you!!!
We could go in business dying the common earthworm as "reds".
An area where we used to have a compost pile is teeming with
huge earthworms. We can combine yours and mine.
We would be worm farmer millionaires in no time~~
Featured in Forbes in a couple of years.

Just give it some thought, okay???
:O)

“That's all folks...”

Since: Jan 12

Paradise North Georgia

#14016 Apr 28, 2013
Good morning everyone~~

“That's all folks...”

Since: Jan 12

Paradise North Georgia

#14018 Apr 28, 2013
Guess the subject got a little heated this morning.
It happens when we venture into subjects
of religion and politics.

I found a lot of things to think about when it comes to religion from reading, The Poisonwood
Bible written by Barbara Kingsolver.

The zealot in her book was a hell fire and brimstone Baptist preacher.

Anyone else read it?

“Grrrrr”

Level 8

Since: Jan 12

Barbi and Baron

#14019 Apr 28, 2013
Richard Barlow wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello Ms Barbi. Hope all is well on your end. Got up and did the feeding early this morning. Going to take a ride up to Glaicer. Just sitting here finishing my breakfast.
First off, let me start by saying, I draw a distinction between Catholics and the Vatican. The Vatican is money and power mad and Catholics are their source for both. That being said, I do hold disdain for religion. All religion. I have no problem with faith however. It's when someone believes that one can only have faith because of a belief in religion, that I have a problem. Hope that makes sense.
The Concordance served more than one purpose.
Firstly, it solidified the Vaticans hold on the Bavarian Catholic Churches. They couldn't break from the Vatican for fear of being dissolved by the German political powers. Secondly, it effectively removed the catholic centrist party from being able to oppose the nazi party. The concordance was being talked about even before Hitler came to power. Without it, the centrist party was poised to take power in Germany. The Vatican, seeing the strategic importance of this, strongly pushed the Bishops to go along with it. Reluctantly, they did. The people, seeing what the Vatican was doing, followed along as well.
The Vatican is nothing more than an opportunistic fraternal organization. The only thing on their minds are power and money. If one has the money, they have the power. If you have the power, you can take more money. There are lists of artifacts that were given to the Nazis that the Vatican wanted. If they weren't perpetrators of this atrocity, those lists would never have existed. If they weren't collaborators with the Nazis, Pope Pius XII would not have stated that Hitler was doing gods work. If their hands weren't still dirty, they would open the vaults and give back to those countries, the artifacts that were stolen from them.
I'll reiterate what I said in the beginning. A person of faith has my respect. When combined with religion (which is man made) they lose that respect. It's just my personal feeling on the subject and the reason that I usually don't disguss it with whom I like. It doesn't turn out well most of the time.
Hi Richard! This is an interesting topic. I love history, too, especially when so much of it not really history but a puzzle we can try to put together.
Just because Hitler was a Catholic does not mean we can include the Vatican as his partner in crime. The concordant was signed in 1933 when Hitler was chancellor. Nobody knew that he would rise to such power.
Pope Pius will always remain somewhat controversial because he was a diplomat who tried to do his job and save the Church. But he also quietly saved the lives of thousands of Jews. Probably the worse thing he did was not enough. The rest is just speculation from the scholars, and I'm not one of them.
From what I understand, the Vatican holding property that belonged to the Jews is unproven. The man who destroyed the Jews, and looted and trashed everything they owned of beauty and value, was Adolph Hitler. He even stole from the Catholics, including the priceless alter piece of Veit Stoss, which was later found, mostly in tact, and restored to St. Mary's Church in Krakow.
Meanwhile, I own china and other mementos from occupied Japan. Should I try to figure out a way to return what my grandfather gave me to the innocent Japanese families? Do you see where I'm going with this? If the Vatican has anything of value belonging to the survivors of the Holocaust, then the Vatican should give it back. But to condemn it for a controversial political maneuver - signing of a treaty with a madman who was not yet known to be mad - is unfair.

“Grrrrr”

Level 8

Since: Jan 12

Barbi and Baron

#14021 Apr 28, 2013
rubygoober wrote:
Guess the subject got a little heated this morning.
It happens when we venture into subjects
of religion and politics.
I found a lot of things to think about when it comes to religion from reading, The Poisonwood
Bible written by Barbara Kingsolver.
The zealot in her book was a hell fire and brimstone Baptist preacher.
Anyone else read it?
Oops! I just posted before I read your post, Ruby. I don't mind discussing history, even religion, with Richard. I find out I learn a lot through discussing this stuff. Depending on who I'm discussing, of course. lol
No, I haven't read that but I plan on it!

“That's all folks...”

Since: Jan 12

Paradise North Georgia

#14022 Apr 28, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>I burned that book as the anti-Xtian, Muslim carp it was!!!!!!! So, nope, didn't read it.
But, I'm looking forward to the movie where I understand Sigorney Weaver will play the main character opposite Nick Cage as Jesus and Robert DeNiro as "The Professor".
I don't get it~~
The book gave me a lot of food for thought when it comes to
organized religion.
Perhaps we are not talking about the same book,
or have different perspectives on it.

Guess I won't be seeing the movie since I can't stand
Nichols Cage.

“Grrrrr”

Level 8

Since: Jan 12

Barbi and Baron

#14023 Apr 28, 2013
rubygoober wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't get it~~
The book gave me a lot of food for thought when it comes to
organized religion.
Perhaps we are not talking about the same book,
or have different perspectives on it.
Guess I won't be seeing the movie since I can't stand
Nichols Cage.
Again, Ruby, you and I have a lot in common. I can't stand Nicholas Cage, either.

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