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War Indonesia vs Australia, Who will win? - Topix

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No-Scope-360

Canning Vale, Australia

#3622 Jul 27, 2013
A common trend I am noticing on this forum is that the pro-Indonesia forum users seem to think that Indonesia would use it's entire military against Australia. If Indonesia invaded Australia, the only possible scenario, a majority of Indonesia's 450,000 troops would remain in Indonesia to defend against Australian allies, so a rough estimate is that 100,000 - 150,000 troops would try and take Australia. Now, those 150,000 troops have to be spread all around Australia and the sheer distance between Australian cities would make an overnight invasion impossible, and a majority of Indonesia jets,(30 F-16s) are inferior to Australia's 110 F-18 variants, making air superiority impossible for Indonesia. the east coast of Australia is covered in air and naval bases as is the north. US marines and Bomber squadrons also frequently rotate out of Northern Australia. Perth is home to the SASR headquarters and a massive naval fleet. Then there's ANZUS,America would defend Australia, no question, as would NATO. Russian relations with Indonesia have deteriorated after the collapse of the soviet union, so Russia isn't going to be involved, while China may get only get involved democratically if the US tries to occupy Indonesia for to long.
What you Indonesians have to realize is that a war between Indo and Aus would be a replay of the Gulf War, Indonesia invaded, UN coalition interferes, Indonesia gets no back up and is crippled.

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#3623 Jul 27, 2013
No-Scope-360 wrote:
A common trend I am noticing on this forum is that the pro-Indonesia forum users seem to think that Indonesia would use it's entire military against Australia. If Indonesia invaded Australia, the only possible scenario, a majority of Indonesia's 450,000 troops would remain in Indonesia to defend against Australian allies, so a rough estimate is that 100,000 - 150,000 troops would try and take Australia. Now, those 150,000 troops have to be spread all around Australia and the sheer distance between Australian cities would make an overnight invasion impossible, and a majority of Indonesia jets,(30 F-16s) are inferior to Australia's 110 F-18 variants, making air superiority impossible for Indonesia. the east coast of Australia is covered in air and naval bases as is the north. US marines and Bomber squadrons also frequently rotate out of Northern Australia. Perth is home to the SASR headquarters and a massive naval fleet. Then there's ANZUS,America would defend Australia, no question, as would NATO. Russian relations with Indonesia have deteriorated after the collapse of the soviet union, so Russia isn't going to be involved, while China may get only get involved democratically if the US tries to occupy Indonesia for to long.
What you Indonesians have to realize is that a war between Indo and Aus would be a replay of the Gulf War, Indonesia invaded, UN coalition interferes, Indonesia gets no back up and is crippled.
In your overzealous comment, you forgot to factor in dense tropical jungle, that defeated even the mightiest U.S.A in Vietnam
No-Scope-360

Canning Vale, Australia

#3624 Jul 27, 2013
BRUTE-CCK wrote:
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In your overzealous comment, you forgot to factor in dense tropical jungle, that defeated even the mightiest U.S.A in Vietnam
The US pulled out of Vietnam of political reasons and opposition to the war, The US had won every major land battle against the NVA and advances in Technology mean that there will never be a repeat of Vietnam. UAV's and thermal imaging allows soldiers to detect enemies hidden inside thick jungle.

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#3625 Jul 27, 2013
No-Scope-360 wrote:
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The US pulled out of Vietnam of political reasons and opposition to the war, The US had won every major land battle against the NVA and advances in Technology mean that there will never be a repeat of Vietnam. UAV's and thermal imaging allows soldiers to detect enemies hidden inside thick jungle.
The world opined USA achieve little with most advanced budget and military in Vietnam, therefore they lost it.

Thermal imaging still can't detect enemies few meters underground. War in Afghanistan is most recent example.
No-Scope-360

Canning Vale, Australia

#3628 Jul 27, 2013
Truth wrote:
Indonesias best jet is the Russian sukohoi jet not the American F16 . Since Australia only realize on it air force like Israel the only thing Indonesia has to do is deploy its S300 missiles around the country and Australia will be flying scared .
You do realize that Indonesia currently only operates 12 sukhoi jets, 5 of which arn't even armed, compared to Australia's 120 F-18's and the superior combat training of RAAF pilots, the sukhoi jets, while better than F-18's, don't stand a chance. As for the S300 missiles, Australia is obtaining electronic warfare variants of the F-18 and F-35 stealth fighters, both of which can handle the S300.
And thanks for comparing our air force to the Israeli air force, the Israeli's are arguably the best fighter jet pilots in the world.
No-Scope-360

Canning Vale, Australia

#3629 Jul 27, 2013
BRUTE-CCK wrote:
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The world opined USA achieve little with most advanced budget and military in Vietnam, therefore they lost it.
Thermal imaging still can't detect enemies few meters underground. War in Afghanistan is most recent example.
All technology has its flaws, but do yourself a favour, go on live leaks and watch the AH-64 Apache gun cams and picture yourself in the place of the insurgents, then come back explaining how ineffective thermal imaging is.
ausiesbumbum

Indonesia

#3630 Jul 27, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
Hahahha shitty ass 3rd worlders thinking they can win a war still oh man you people are delusional Australia would blow you chimps back into the Dark ages end of story
ah, don't forget, how smart are chimpanzees compared to pigs, but then, pigs are even smarter than kangaroos... LOL end of story!...:D

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#3631 Jul 27, 2013
No-Scope-360 wrote:
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All technology has its flaws, but do yourself a favour, go on live leaks and watch the AH-64 Apache gun cams and picture yourself in the place of the insurgents, then come back explaining how ineffective thermal imaging is.
I've seen those, I wasnt talking bout Apache's FLIR against insurgents in open field. I was talking bout guerrilla warfare, underground tunnels/bunker network that defeated superpowers like USA in Vietnam and Russia in Afghan. Point is, low-tech win sometimes, big time.

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#3633 Jul 27, 2013
No-Scope-360 wrote:
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All technology has its flaws, but do yourself a favour, go on live leaks and watch the AH-64 Apache gun cams and picture yourself in the place of the insurgents, then come back explaining how ineffective thermal imaging is.
Further, equipments like Apache has little strategic value against modern armies with MANPADs. Indonesia has Mistral, QW-1 Vanguard, etc.. More like sitting duck to me
No-Scope-360

Canning Vale, Australia

#3634 Jul 27, 2013
BRUTE-CCK wrote:
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Further, equipments like Apache has little strategic value against modern armies with MANPADs. Indonesia has Mistral, QW-1 Vanguard, etc.. More like sitting duck to me
Funny you say that, considering Indonesia is seeking to order Apache helicopters. dumbass.
No-Scope-360

Canning Vale, Australia

#3635 Jul 27, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>You mean Israel claims to have the best pilots in the world by bombing Palestinians that have no weapons to defend themselves except Chinese celebrating firecrackers ? Not cool !
The Palestinians started firing artillery at Israel, so the Israeli air force retaliated. If East Timor started shelling Jakarta you would want to bomb them back. Your a complete idiot and if Indonesia is so great get the fuck out of England and move back there before the Indo government provokes the Australian Military.
Indo Army Glory

United States

#3636 Jul 27, 2013
Ada Berani wrote:
I HATE INDONESIA!!!
I hate this goddamn stupid "third-world" country. I hate the lame government ruled by old moron people. I hate the stupid eastern culture that's going on in this country. I hate their hypocrisy about everything. I hate their idiotic electric company.
I hate their policies, monopoly, and their inconsistencies about everything they do (or what they told you they would do). I hate the fact that this country is POOR, and so their people are also POOR, poor in knowledge, poor in resources, both human and nature.
I hate the fact that everything is so god damn expensive down here, and don't tell me about the low-life-cost here. There's nothing cheap here for people like me. I hate their economical so-called-growth. I hate rupiah. I hate their internet connection that's so slow and weak and terribly expensive too. I hate that I was born in Indonesia.
i never wish to born here :(
Loe main di kotak saran aja sana !!!:@

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#3637 Jul 27, 2013
No-Scope-360 wrote:
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Funny you say that, considering Indonesia is seeking to order Apache helicopters. dumbass.
Considering.. yes, well Apache trumps insurgents, aborigines, talibans, etc. Thats what they're good at
Bulestupid

Jakarta, Indonesia

#3638 Jul 27, 2013
All Australia soldier will run away just like kanggoroo hahaha
kingkong

United States

#3639 Jul 27, 2013
atunya hencet berem :D
No-Scope-360

Canning Vale, Australia

#3640 Jul 27, 2013
BRUTE-CCK wrote:
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Considering.. yes, well Apache trumps insurgents, aborigines, talibans, etc. Thats what they're good at
Apache helicopters seemed to be quite effective against iraqi tanks during the iraq war, you just full of shit
No-Scope-360

Canning Vale, Australia

#3641 Jul 27, 2013
Bulestupid wrote:
All Australia soldier will run away just like kanggoroo hahaha
Haha that just proves how little you actually know, Kangaroo's don't run away if you provoke them, they beat the crap out of you. And you the last time Indonesia and Australia were on opposite sides of a war it was the Indonesians running from the australians!
Java Script

Cipinang, Indonesia

#3642 Jul 27, 2013
No-Scope-360 wrote:
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Haha that just proves how little you actually know, Kangaroo's don't run away if you provoke them, they beat the crap out of you. And you the last time Indonesia and Australia were on opposite sides of a war it was the Indonesians running from the australians!
i saw on youtube kangoroo run away when dingo chase its

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#3643 Jul 27, 2013
No-Scope-360 wrote:
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Apache helicopters seemed to be quite effective against iraqi tanks during the iraq war, you just full of shit
What can I say, after years of no-fly zone, poor Iraqi army with no MANPADS reduced to mere insurgents
No-Scope-360

Canning Vale, Australia

#3644 Jul 28, 2013
BRUTE-CCK wrote:
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What can I say, after years of no-fly zone, poor Iraqi army with no MANPADS reduced to mere insurgents
Oh sorry, I meant the gulf war, you know, when the Iraqi military was one of the biggest on the planet. The Apache helicopter has missile countermeasures regardless, as does the Eurocopter Tiger in service with the Australian military, in fact the tiger has limited stealth features, even further reducing the effectiveness of MANPADS.

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