Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46759 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#49171 Aug 12, 2014
^^ LOL !!!!^^ LMAO !!!
Aryaman

Dagenham, UK

#49172 Aug 12, 2014
Manbrahmos wrote:
tMuslims are not happyThey’re not happy in GazaThey're not happy in EgyptThey're not happy in LibyaThey're not happy in MoroccoThey're not happy in IranThey're not happy in IraqThey're not happy in YemenThey're not happy in AfghanistanThey're not happy in PakistanThey're not happy in SyriaThey're not happy in LebanonSo, where are they happy?They're happy in AustraliaThey're happy in EnglandThey're happy in FranceThey're happy in ItalyThey're happy in GermanyThey're happy in SwedenThey're happy in the USA & CanadaThey're happy in Norway & IndiaThey're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!And who do they blame?Not Islam...Not their leadership...Not themselves...THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy.Try to find logic in that !Jeff Foxworthy on Muslims:1. If you refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to liquor... You are a Muslim2. If you own a $3,000 machine gun and$5,000 rocket launcher, but you can't afford shoes...You are a Muslim3. If you have more wives than teeth...You are a Muslim4. If you think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide... You are a Muslim5. If you can't think of anyone you haven't declared Jihad against... You are a Muslim6. If you consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your clothing...You are a Muslim7. If you were amazed to discover that cellphones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs...You are a Muslim8. If you have nothing against women andthink every man should own at least four...You are a Muslim9. If you find this offensive or racist then you re a muslim
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“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#49174 Aug 12, 2014
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Hurtling into Darkness. America's Great Leap Towards Global Tyranny.
By John Chuckman

Without transparency, there can be no accounting for anything, and it is the sine qua non of democracy that politicians and officials be genuinely accountable to the electorate. Lastly, the things which tend to remain secret from the people today are far more likely to be pervasive, world-changing developments, far more so than in the past given powerful emerging technologies and the great concentration of power in American society. They are, in short, the very things citizens of a democracy should know about but don’t.


It has long been the case that dishonesty and secrecy have marked America’s foreign policy, as it invariably does with great imperial powers. After all, when Theodore Roosevelt, William Randolph Hearst, and others decided in private to arrange a nasty little war with the declining Spanish Empire, one to become known as the Spanish-American War, they were hardly being honest with Americans.“Remember the Maine” was a cheap, dishonest slogan while America’s brutal behavior in Cuba and the Philippines (the first place waterboarding is known to have been used by Americans) were raw truths. So it has been time after time, so that the national government has learned that dishonesty and secrecy are successful and virtually never questioned.

During the long Cold War, America’s government became inured to these practices with its dozens of interventions and coups and long wars of terror like that waged against Cuba from Florida and New Orleans, a terror operation whose extent made bin Laden’s later mountain training place resemble a boy scout camp. Now, at least two new developments have now influenced these practices, with a third just beginning to make itself felt.

One, America, under the influence of the insider group called neo-cons, has pretty much given up pretence in its aggressive foreign policies: it has come to believe that it is able and entitled to arrange the world according to its arbitrary desires. Two, under the pretext of a war on terror, the United States government has transferred the hubris and arrogance of its foreign affairs into domestic government, no one having voted for a Stasi-like secret surveillance state, one moreover where even local authorities are endowed with armored cars, drones, and abusive powers.

Three, technology is genuinely revolutionizing the nature of war, putting immense new power into the hands of elites – power which, unlike the hydrogen bomb, can actually be used readily - and nowhere is this occurring at a more rapid pace than in the United States.

The approaching reality is America’s being able to kill, highly accurately, on a large scale without using thermo-nuclear weapons and almost without using armies. With no need to recruit and support vast armies of soldiers, no need for mess halls and sanitation, no need for px’s and pensions, costs can be slashed, and there is even less need to explain what you are doing or to account for your decisions, and secrecy is promoted even more perfectly.


“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#49175 Aug 12, 2014
Today, we see the American government sending killer drones to multiple parts of the world, having already killed several thousand innocent people, with absolutely no accounting of victims or purpose, beyond flannel-mouthed stuff about getting bad guys. But even more dramatic killing machines requiring no soldiers are well along in development. A robot soldier, something resembling Dr. Who’s dreaded delaks with machine guns, already exists, with various advanced models under development equipped with every form of artificial recognition and various means of killing. Eventually, such robots will be delivered to places America wishes to secure, unfortunately without any care for the mistakes and horrors they may inflict on civilians, but America’s establishment does not care about that now as people from Fallujah or Hanoi could readily testify.

A hypersonic robot plane or missile, able one day to deliver conventional explosives with precision to almost any spot on earth within an hour or two of launch is well along. Intelligent torpedoes and underwater drones are also well along. Robot tanks and ships are being developed. America’s mysterious space-plane vehicle, resembling a scale-model space shuttle, just having been tested with 500 days in orbit without any crew, has many potential uses for killing and control from space, including the launch of missiles from a position above any target, putting the reach of a fleet of them within minutes of any target on earth, a kind of early prototype Death Star if you will.

Muq1 and pigsqeaker

Merrylands, Australia

#49176 Aug 12, 2014
moving on wrote:
<quoted text>
You stupid dikhead..LLOL, I am not MUQ1 or MUQ2 or whatever, even an Idiot can tell the difference in style and tone of our comments as well as the use of poor language like english.
sure I am a proud muslim so is MUQ but that is where our similarity ends, I believe in political Islam and I never discuss the doctrine of my religion with you pigmunchers because I am convinced that you are profane and unclean people and also that you are intellectually low grade people. there really is not much about pigmunchers any thinking man can appreciate...you people are materialistic, liars, monetarily poor and hence greedy, dirt poor morally and spiritually.
Because you are a dog you can keep barking what you like but just to keep the record straight I have never used MUQ handle.
Is the evidence here on this thread against your blatant lies?
You both post simultaneously.
You use the same key words & phrases.
You even get confused about your ID.
I say your are a liar.

You are so full of deceit and stupidity in your pagan moon god apostasy that you express yourself.
.
Btw 'political Islam' is cue phrase for being a vassal to anothers ideology. Islam is an ideology and a political system within a belief or religion.

Let's take 'socialist Islam'- say Indonesia where 3m got murdered or exiled by nationalist ethnic facist Islam.
Of Wahhabi Islam - a British invention run by Jews of the house of saud.
Or AQ ~ ISIL 'fundamentalist' Islam - designed and controlled by the CIA to demonise and split Islam.

To state 'political Islam' is admitting Islam has failed in the religious belief being primary.

You are so ignorant and so uneducated in Islam as you are in anything else. Just like Muq.
Your lies convince no one.
moving on

Miami, FL

#49177 Aug 13, 2014
Muq1 and pigsqeaker wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the evidence here on this thread against your blatant lies?
You both post simultaneously.
You use the same key words & phrases.
You even get confused about your ID.
I say your are a liar.
You are so full of deceit and stupidity in your pagan moon god apostasy that you express yourself.
.
Btw 'political Islam' is cue phrase for being a vassal to anothers ideology. Islam is an ideology and a political system within a belief or religion.
Let's take 'socialist Islam'- say Indonesia where 3m got murdered or exiled by nationalist ethnic facist Islam.
Of Wahhabi Islam - a British invention run by Jews of the house of saud.
Or AQ ~ ISIL 'fundamentalist' Islam - designed and controlled by the CIA to demonise and split Islam.
To state 'political Islam' is admitting Islam has failed in the religious belief being primary.
You are so ignorant and so uneducated in Islam as you are in anything else. Just like Muq.
Your lies convince no one.
LLOL, Go stuff some fruits and vegetables in you mothers vagina, the porn industry on which your economy depends is beginning die away just like your way of life... don't forget Muslims will be the one who will break your back once and for all, that doesn't seem too far off.

“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#49178 Aug 13, 2014
moving on wrote:
<quoted text>
LLOL, Go stuff some fruits and vegetables in you mothers vagina, the porn industry on which your economy depends is beginning die away just like your way of life... don't forget Muslims will be the one who will break your back once and for all, that doesn't seem too far off.
I use much more sober and polite language than what you have used in this post.

A Muslim should always be on guard regarding what words or phrases he or she uses, irrespective of whatever is provocation from other side.

Good words and kindness are the things that will remove hate and hatred....not a tit for tat exchange of profanity and abuses and insults.

This is brotherly advice from one Muslim brother to another brother Muslim, take it or leave it.
moving on

Miami, FL

#49179 Aug 13, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I use much more sober and polite language than what you have used in this post.
A Muslim should always be on guard regarding what words or phrases he or she uses, irrespective of whatever is provocation from other side.
Good words and kindness are the things that will remove hate and hatred....not a tit for tat exchange of profanity and abuses and insults.
This is brotherly advice from one Muslim brother to another brother Muslim, take it or leave it.
You may be a muslim and good for you, The last thing I need is advise from an Indian muslim most of you are deeply embedded in slumdog culture of Hindus. No wonder you find Wahhabism so attractive, there is nothing Islamic about it except the rituals, which is only 10% of muslims sacred life. I also think you are knowledgeable enough a muslim so I can explain the rest 90% of muslims life.

If I Needed your advise I would have asked for it, but being a typical indian womanly type of man you put you foot forward, I have never tried to communicate with you but you still interfered so I am afraid I have to give a rejoinder.

Your and my understanding of political Islam is worlds apart and to tell you the truth I don't like anything Indian because I hate the dirty hindus. These is nothing Islamic about Indian Muslims...we the Arab, Afghan, Yemeni and Pakistani Muslims are the ones who are fighting western criminal forces on several fronts, what are you doing except posting poor english posts on an Australian forum where you have no business. Mind your own business.
moving on

Miami, FL

#49180 Aug 13, 2014
We have known all along that pigmunchers are bumsniffing child molesting cowards and we don't need a pigmunching miitary man to tell us this..... LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,

UK 'terrified' of intervention in Iraq: Ex-general

The British government is “terrified” of another military intervention in Iraq ahead of the 2015 elections in the UK, a former top general says.

Former British General Richard Shirreff, who retired from the army last week and was NATO’s deputy supreme allied commander in Europe until March 2014, made the remark on Tuesday.

“We have politicians who want to posture, who make a lot of noise but do not have any stick,” said Shirreff in an interview with Times of London.

“This government is terrified of any form of intervention involving boots on the ground before an election next year,” he emphasized.

Britain’s Ministry of Defense and Prime Minister David Cameron’s office have declined to comment on Shirreff’s remarks.

According to local reports, the last time Cameron tried to sign Britain up to potential military strikes in the Middle East, against Syria in August 2013, he lost a parliamentary vote.

It was the first time a prime minister had failed on such a vote since 1782, according to UK commentators and observers.

The defeat was attributed in part to the bitter legacy of Britain’s involvement in the Iraq war, which turned British public opinion against foreign military interventions by their government.

Under then Prime Minister Tony Blair, Britain helped with the 2003 US military invasion of Iraq after claiming that then Iraqi President Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction. The claim later proved to have been utterly wrong.

MFB/HJL/HRB
Muq is losing it

Merrylands, Australia

#49181 Aug 13, 2014
moving on wrote:
<quoted text>
You may be a muslim and good for you, The last thing I need is advise from an Indian muslim most of you are deeply embedded in slumdog culture of Hindus. No wonder you find Wahhabism so attractive, there is nothing Islamic about it except the rituals, which is only 10% of muslims sacred life. I also think you are knowledgeable enough a muslim so I can explain the rest 90% of muslims life.
If I Needed your advise I would have asked for it, but being a typical indian womanly type of man you put you foot forward, I have never tried to communicate with you but you still interfered so I am afraid I have to give a rejoinder.
Your and my understanding of political Islam is worlds apart and to tell you the truth I don't like anything Indian because I hate the dirty hindus. These is nothing Islamic about Indian Muslims...we the Arab, Afghan, Yemeni and Pakistani Muslims are the ones who are fighting western criminal forces on several fronts, what are you doing except posting poor english posts on an Australian forum where you have no business. Mind your own business.
Ha what a sham .. Are too talking to yourself here in your confused role and multiple poster plays ?
Why don't you declare a fatwah on each other?
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The brave Arab alter ego of Muq 2 aka 'pig-taker' who 'fights the western criminals' criticising the little mumbling jizya guestworker slave..
( btw we see ISIL,, funded by the Sunni sheep and directed by the West,, only murdering & crucifixing other Muslims.. Mmmmh when do you think they will be attacking their western controllers ?
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->More absolute BS from Muq as he tries to evade the reality he's the only lonely little Muslim trying to defend his pagan idolatry.
/
Explain why piglicker and muq1 always post in unison and same words, verbs, phrases and even one finishing the others sentences..
Time to fess up Muq , you have been flip flopping between taqiyya and lies (muq) and full on race mumbo hate spray for months now.
Bit like the four headed 8 legged Allah with 99 names plus the 100th one (Allah Iblis of Hubal Baal).
Just be Muq1 and muq2 - saves time.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#49182 Aug 13, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
<quoted text>
What that has to do, one way or the other with the subjects we are discussing?
It is more of who you are

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#49183 Aug 13, 2014
Hello MUQ , these jihadists we read of who are very violent and kill many people where within Islam did they aquire such violence and why are they telling the world that they are the true voice of your prophet where as you say that Muslims are peaceful peoples ?
Sunil

Merrylands, Australia

#49184 Aug 13, 2014
Muqs a well known liar that often posts under other names. He's a bit Manorogi
Muq aka Pigsquealer

Merrylands, Australia

#49185 Aug 13, 2014
Just to re-in force how incredibly uniformed and stupid our Muq aka Pigsquealer (fighting the evil west in Arab lands) actually are.
Since July this year, Snowden and many other reputable sources have revealed the design, makeup, funding & control of ISIS ISIL.
That's over a month ago.
The leader of ISIS is Al Bakr Bagshadi ...
A brave bearded Arab freedom fighter, fighting the evil west to secure the levant from the infidel..
All the idiots like Sunni Wahhabist fetishing jizya Muq aka pigsqeaker giving at the mosque each Friday to his death syndicate.
Muq even boasted how this was his contribution to releasing Islam from the 'Jews' and evil west.
Big long silly cut and pastes of mumbo on this.
Well Muq1 and Muq2 pigsqeaker - this is how unbelievably naive and stupid you are.
We have known who mr Bagdhadi the leader of ISIS is for a month or more. His dossier and before & after photos from his CIA file & payroll records courtesy of Snowdon.
Mr Bagdhadi is revealed as a CIA agent & a Jew.
His real name : Simon Elliot.
His goal : to split Islam like the British did with Wahhabi with the virus of its own self destruction.
A link - plenty of others
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/04/frenc...
You look such a fool Muq.
ISIS led and controlled by CIA Mossad.
Baghdadi a Jew agent.
Bravely fighting the 'evil west'
Ha ha ha.
What a clown village fool inbred pagan
Moon god Idol rock worshipper you are.
Why even the house of saud might be Jews.
These Jews seem to be in charge of Islam...
After all they wrote the Quran, Uthman the author was buried a Jew and the Bakri accuse Muhammad of selling out to the Jews, why they said they killed him. "Why we murdered that other old Jew lover" Aisha.
These 'Jews' even say you can't be Muslim if your Indian, that's what the jew Uthman who wrote the Quran said in some detail.
Muq, maybe you should try to be a Jew as well ?

“Peter hole is a pink twatt”

Since: Aug 14

Mumbai, India

#49186 Aug 13, 2014
moving on wrote:
<quoted text>
You may be a muslim and good for you, The last thing I need is advise from an Indian muslim most of you are deeply embedded in slumdog culture of Hindus. No wonder you find Wahhabism so attractive, there is nothing Islamic about it except the rituals, which is only 10% of muslims sacred life. I also think you are knowledgeable enough a muslim so I can explain the rest 90% of muslims life.
If I Needed your advise I would have asked for it, but being a typical indian womanly type of man you put you foot forward, I have never tried to communicate with you but you still interfered so I am afraid I have to give a rejoinder.
Your and my understanding of political Islam is worlds apart and to tell you the truth I don't like anything Indian because I hate the dirty hindus. These is nothing Islamic about Indian Muslims...we the Arab, Afghan, Yemeni and Pakistani Muslims are the ones who are fighting western criminal forces on several fronts, what are you doing except posting poor english posts on an Australian forum where you have no business. Mind your own business.
why you hate hindus. Well hindus are one of the most peaceful friends on earth. And those who follow islam are muslims . It doesnt matter they belong to india,pakistan or arab.
Quran ruling

Merrylands, Australia

#49187 Aug 13, 2014
Indians can not be Muslims.
So says the Quran and Allah.

Allah has not sent for the Indians.
No messenger in their image or speaking their tongue. Allah will not hear them or give them redemption. They can not go to an Allah heaven.

They can only be jizya slaves but never Muslim.

Any Indian that pretends to be Muslim greatly offends Allah and he will reserve his harshest punishment for such a person.

So says the Quran at great length in many Sura's and in very clear rules and detail.

Indians can not be Muslim.
Allah says this and Allah knows best.
Read the Quran.
john

Lidcombe, Australia

#49190 Aug 13, 2014
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/...

Evil thrives when good men do nothing,

http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uplo...

Muqs, with your heads in the sand, keep telling us of the successes of if Islam.

Looks like a failure to me if Islamists teach there children that hacking off other Muslims heads is ok.
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#49191 Aug 13, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I use much more sober and polite language than what you have used in this post.
A Muslim should always be on guard regarding what words or phrases he or she uses, irrespective of whatever is provocation from other side.
Good words and kindness are the things that will remove hate and hatred....not a tit for tat exchange of profanity and abuses and insults.
This is brotherly advice from one Muslim brother to another brother Muslim, take it or leave it.
.
.
moving on wrote:
<quoted text>
You may be a muslim and good for you, The last thing I need is advise from an Indian muslim most of you are deeply embedded in slumdog culture of Hindus. No wonder you find Wahhabism so attractive, there is nothing Islamic about it except the rituals, which is only 10% of muslims sacred life. I also think you are knowledgeable enough a muslim so I can explain the rest 90% of muslims life.
If I Needed your advise I would have asked for it, but being a typical indian womanly type of man you put you foot forward, I have never tried to communicate with you but you still interfered so I am afraid I have to give a rejoinder.
Your and my understanding of political Islam is worlds apart and to tell you the truth I don't like anything Indian because I hate the dirty hindus. These is nothing Islamic about Indian Muslims...we the Arab, Afghan, Yemeni and Pakistani Muslims are the ones who are fighting western criminal forces on several fronts, what are you doing except posting poor english posts on an Australian forum where you have no business. Mind your own business.
Hahaha an Indian Muslim and a Arab Muslim fighting hahahaha this is priceless..
What idiots these Muslims are, they can't get along with anybody, not even other Muslims!!
What fools they are, real ignorant barbarians,, all of them!!
You like living in White Christian countries, eh moving on!! Why don't you go back to your sh^thole Muslim country??
We don't want stinky ignorant Muslims here.. So just fk off..eh!!
And stop Posting on a Western Forum, your stinking it up because your a sh^tbag full of it!!

“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#49192 Aug 13, 2014
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Hurtling into Darkness. America's Great Leap Towards Global Tyranny.
By John Chuckman

We also have the advent of extremely powerful new lasers and electric rail-guns, both of which can be completely computerized in their operation. Advances in software, especially in areas like facial and voice-recognition, will enable completely automated targeting of victims almost at the press of a button.

One day, victims may well include troublesome Americans, not just unwanted foreigners. After all, the components for slipping into such a practice are virtually in place, and we know there are no qualms on the part of many of the people leading America today. In a secrecy state, people disappearing would rarely be noticed and never explained. The NSA’s unblinking surveillance on all American citizens would provide targeting information on demand.

We are not quite there yet, but in the close future, less than twenty years, the United States will operate under a military system not unlike the automated, radar-operated machine-gun towers Israel uses to pen in the people of Gaza, only it will do so on a planetary scale. Such immense power in the hands of a relatively few people anywhere and always would be a threat, but in the hands of America’s corporate-military-intelligenc e elites, people who already are not held accountable for what they do and feel virtually no need to explain, it is a looming threat to the peace, decency, and political integrity of the entire world.

I have no idea how the relentless march towards this brave new world can be stopped. Indeed, I am almost sure that it cannot. Americans in general no longer have anything which could be termed control over the acts of their government, and their role in elections is nothing more than a formal choice between two establishment-loyal candidates heading two parties that differ on virtually no vital matter. George Bush’s time in office proved something profound generally not recognized in the press: America does not now need a president beyond the Constitutional formalities of signing documents and making speeches.

Bush was an utterly incompetent fool, but America’s national government never skipped a beat during his eight years, never skipped a beat, that is, in matters important to the establishment, which of course excludes matters like a disaster in New Orleans, concern for the welfare of the American people having long ago faded away as one for the national government.

“SATYAMEV JAYATE-TRUTH WINS ”

Since: Mar 14

JUBAIL, KSA

#49193 Aug 13, 2014
After all, when you have lied to and manipulated a people for a very long time, how can a growing contempt for them be avoided? It cannot, in much the way a heartless conman fools an old widow into giving up her life savings. Besides, the more government focuses on the kind of matters America’s government focuses on, running for office and government service almost certainly increasingly attracts and rewards narcissists and sociopaths and repels those with broader public interests. The lack of concern and empathy becomes a self-regulated mechanism.


Barack Obama’s tenure has only demonstrated the point made by George Bush further. He has signed off on many new ways of killing people, many secret and disturbing policies, continued to wage Bush’s pointless wars, supported anti-democratic forces taking power in a number of place, including importantly Ukraine and Egypt, reinforced anti-democratic forces in many places like Bahrain, Yemen, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, and not lifted a finger over Israel’s decades-long suppression of democracy and fundamental rights for millions. Obama’s only claim even to helping his own people is a pathetic, costly, unworkable health-care program in which the establishment has absolutely no interest.

The argument that there is an underlying concern for humanity and for rights in the American government couldn’t be more wrong, even though those are themes in the blubbering speeches of a George Bush, a Barrack Obama, a Hillary Clinton, or a John Kerry. America’s deeds abroad are without exception now to control, whether through wars and coups and assassinations or through the cajoling and threats that go on behind the scenes at every single vote by any international body, such as the United Nations.


I do not believe the citizens of the United States any longer possess the capacity to avoid these dark prospects. They are being swept along by forces they mostly do not understand, and most are unwilling to give up on the comfortable almost-religious myths of enforceable Constitutional rights and a benevolent national government. The world’s hope of avoiding global tyranny now lies in the rapid advance of nations such as China, Russia, India, and Brazil to counterbalance America. Europe,

an obvious possible candidate to oppose America’s more dangerous and obtuse efforts, appears in recent decades to have fallen completely under America’s direction in so many areas where it once showed independence, an increasing number having been bribed or seduced or threatened to join NATO and unwilling to use the limited international agencies we have, such as the United Nations, to oppose America’s disturbing tendencies.

John Chuckman is a former chief economist for a large Canadian oil company, and was a resister during the Vietnam war. He lives in Canada. http://chuckmanotherchoiceofwords.blogspot.co...

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