Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46759 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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#45357 Feb 25, 2014
id rather be a muslim muhamed lover than a pedophile believing hypocrite you lot are all about

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#45358 Feb 25, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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He would be fool of the first water, who would make use of your filthy body, fouler mouth and filthiest brain....
But you don't know, may be somewhere in dungeons of world.... there would be such fools living!!
No offense, my dear lady!!
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MUQ the more I read your posting is the more I realise how stupid you are.
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For example answering Sheila with destination where the writer is writing from is Europe and you believe it the Sheila who lives in Australia.
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When Allah was distributing brains where were you MUQ?

ans: MUQ was at the front holding the door open for everyone else.

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#45359 Feb 25, 2014
Jock wrote:
<quoted text> Shut you fool, she must have really upset you to post that nonsense. She's not around at the moment.
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He has to be a Muslim, and Sheila must of contact with a sore point.
Jake

Coorparoo, Australia

#45360 Feb 25, 2014
Baron44 wrote:
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MUQ the more I read your posting is the more I realise how stupid you are.
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For example answering Sheila with destination where the writer is writing from is Europe and you believe it the Sheila who lives in Australia.
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When Allah was distributing brains where were you MUQ?
ans: MUQ was at the front holding the door open for everyone else.
How wrong you are Baron.....Allah never handed out brains, only AK-47`s

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#45361 Feb 25, 2014
Jake wrote:
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How wrong you are Baron.....Allah never handed out brains, only AK-47`s
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Now Allah was a Russian?
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jason

Sydney, Australia

#45362 Feb 25, 2014
stupid topic ! we should fear people like you who spread hate ! grow up and have a big heart ! australia is for all and no one will ever take over the australian law this is just stupid to think that muslims will take over ! oh come on lol we are all human and no one is better then no one we all deserve to live and belleive in any religion we want.. i know heaps of australians who became muslims and i respect them for that ! they are free to do so . we cant judge them for just being muslims !
Whoa

Sydney, Australia

#45363 Feb 25, 2014
This is crazy
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#45364 Feb 25, 2014
Neno wrote:
<quoted text> What Christians are doing these days is against what the Bible and Jesus said.
But the Christians are not going around blowing other Christians to pieces.
How could this possibly be ?
Christians have done enough of blowing other Christian to pieces in their 2000 years history. WW-1 and WW-2 were two such incidents.

They have a lull for past few decades or so, you do not know when the Lava would erupt.

Muslims are "low volume" killers.... Christians are Masters of the art!!
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#45365 Feb 25, 2014
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Imploding the Myth of Israel

By Chris Hedges

November 04, 2013 "Information Clearing House - Israel has been poisoned by the psychosis of permanent war. It has been morally bankrupted by the sanctification of victimhood, which it uses to justify an occupation that rivals the brutality and racism of apartheid South Africa. Its democracy—which was always exclusively for Jews—has been hijacked by extremists who are pushing the country toward fascism. Many of Israel’s most enlightened and educated citizens—1 million of them—have left the country.


Its most courageous human rights campaigners, intellectuals and journalists—Israeli and Palestinian—are subject to constant state surveillance, arbitrary arrests and government-run smear campaigns. Its educational system, starting in primary school, has become an indoctrination machine for the military. And the greed and corruption of its venal political and economic elite have created vast income disparities, a mirror of the decay within America’s democracy.

And yet, the hard truths about Israel remain largely unspoken. Liberal supporters of Israel decry its excesses. They wring their hands over the tragic necessity of airstrikes on Gaza or Lebanon or the demolition of Palestinian homes. They assure us that they respect human rights and want peace. But they react in inchoate fury when the reality of Israel is held up before them. This reality implodes the myth of the Jewish state. It exposes the cynicism of a state whose real goal is, and always has been, the transfer, forced immigration or utter subjugation and impoverishment of Palestinians inside Israel and the occupied territories.

Reality shatters the fiction of a peace process. Reality lays bear the fact that Israel routinely has used deadly force against unarmed civilians, including children, to steal half the land on the West Bank and crowd forcibly displaced Palestinians into squalid, militarized ghettos while turning their land and homes over to Jewish settlers. Reality exposes the new racial laws adopted by Israel as those once advocated by the fanatic racist Meir Kahane.

Reality unveils the Saharonim detention camp in the Negev Desert, the largest detention center in the world. Reality mocks the lie of open, democratic debate, including in the country’s parliament, the Knesset, where racist diatribes and physical threats, often enshrined into law, are used to silence and criminalize the few who attempt to promote a civil society. Liberal Jewish critics inside and outside Israel, however, desperately need the myth, not only to fetishize Israel but also to fetishize themselves. Strike at the myth and you unleash a savage vitriol, which in its fury exposes the self-adulation and latent racism that lie at the core of modern Zionism.

MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#45366 Feb 25, 2014
There are very few intellectuals or writers who have the tenacity and courage to confront this reality. This is what makes Max Blumenthal’s “Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel” one of the most fearless and honest books ever written about Israel. Blumenthal burrows deep into the dark heart of Israel. The American journalist binds himself to the beleaguered and shunned activists, radical journalists and human rights campaigners who are the conscience of the nation, as well as Palestinian families in the West Bank struggling in vain to hold back Israel’s ceaseless theft of their land. Blumenthal, in chapter after chapter, methodically rips down the facade. And what he exposes, in the end, is a corpse.

I spent seven years in the Middle East as a correspondent, including months in Gaza and the West Bank. I lived for two years in Jerusalem. Many of the closest friends I made during my two decades overseas are Israeli. Most of them are among the Israeli outcasts that Blumenthal writes about, men and women whose innate decency and courage he honors throughout his book.

They are those who, unlike the Israeli leadership and a population inculcated with racial hatred, sincerely want to end occupation, restore the rule of law and banish an ideology that creates moral hierarchies with Arabs hovering at the level of animal as Jews—especially Jews of European descent—are elevated to the status of demigods. It is a measure of Blumenthal’s astuteness as a reporter that he viewed Israel through the eyes of these outcasts, as well as the Palestinians, and stood with them as they were arrested, tear-gassed and fired upon by Israeli soldiers. There is no other honest way to tell the story about Israel. And this is a very honest book.

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#45367 Feb 25, 2014
jason wrote:
stupid topic !and no one is better then no one we all deserve to live and belleive in any religion we want
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Is exactly what they said in Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, AND NOW BELGIUM.
>>>>>> we should fear people like you who spread hate ! grow up and have a big heart ! australia is for all and no one will ever take over the australian law this is just stupid to think that muslims will take over ! oh come on lol we are all human and no one is better then no one we all deserve to live and beleive in any religion we want.
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Is also what most Jews said in Germany in 1938 no one will hurt us for we are Germans first, and any one who lives in Germany can live and believe in any religion.
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Same applied in Afghanistan, the women in Afghanistan before 1993 could walk around with no veil, and all the women said, this will never happen here where we would be forced to wear a veil.
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In Afghanistan, the status of women has been something debated since it was established as a nation. The main religion of Afghanistan is Islam. Islam states in some of its earliest works, nearly fifteen hundread years ago that women are to be equal to men. Islam gives women rights, including rights to work, the ability to choose the man she will marry, among others. However, in Afghanistan, many times women have not been given these specific rights.

Before Afghanistan was a fully independent nation, it was under the control of Abdur Rahman Khan. During his rule, Rahmnkhan decided to implement many changes for women and how they were percieved. He instituted many reforms that included required marriage registration, women not having to marry her husbands next closest male relative if her husband passed away, and also a woman's ability to choose if she wanted to stay with her husband if she was married before she went through puberty.

The king was against the idea of secluding women and also wanted to give them more freedom. He mandated that if women wanted to go to the park, they would not have to have their faces covered. He also established girls schools, the first ever in the nation. In 1920, he ended slavery, which freed many women from concubinage.

Afghanistan was ruled by Habidullah in 1934. During his short reign of only nine months, women's rights took a sharp decline. Schools for girls closed, and institutions, such as polygamy, began once again.

Habidullah's reign ended, and in 1934, Mohammed Zahir Shah took power. During this time, women were treated more fairly and equally. He was able to help women take a more prominent role in society by allowing them to be hired for more important jobs, such as jobs in hospitals or allowing them to become teachers. At this time, women were also able to drive and travel, among other things. During the 1960s and 1970s, several women were able to work in the government.

Mohammed Daoud overthrew Zahir's government in 1973, and under his reign, conditions for women improved more so. Daoud decided that, since there was no justification for the veil or the ultimate seclusion of women, women married to high ranking officials could appear at certain events unveiled. This time period saw much progress for women. Women began to protest what they felt was unjust in their government.

Daoud was overthrown in 1979 due to the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union. The Soviets enforced a minimum marriage age. In 1984, equal job opportunities to that of men were offered to women. Women were then able to work in a variety of different jobs and made up half of the labor force.

The constitution was abolished soon after and became the Islamic State of Afghanistan. In 1993, it was ruled that women must wear a veil at all times while out in public. Women's education also disappeared and it was left up to the men of the house to educated their women. During this time was the beginning of Taliban control and with it came a new status for women.
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Only fools think Islam will do you no harm.


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#45368 Feb 25, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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Christians have done enough of blowing other Christian to pieces in their 2000 years history. WW-1 and WW-2 were two such incidents.
They have a lull for past few decades or so, you do not know when the Lava would erupt.
Muslims are "low volume" killers.... Christians are Masters of the art!!
MUQ you keep forgetting India 80 million Hindus were killed by Islam,
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MUQ you forget this part of your History >>>> On December 7, 1715 Banda Singh Bahadur was captured from the Gurdas Nangal fort and put in an iron cage and the remaining Sikhs were captured, chained.[53] The Sikhs were bought to Delhi in a procession with the 780 Sikh prisoners, 2,000 Sikh heads hung on spears, and 700 cartloads of heads of slaughtered Sikhs used to terrorize the population.[54][55] They were put in the Delhi fort and pressured to give up their faith and become Muslims.[56] On their firm refusal all of them were ordered to be executed. Every day, 100 Sikhs were brought out of the fort and murdered in public daily,[57] which went on approximately seven days. The Mussalmans could hardly contain themselves of joy while the Sikhs showed no sign of dejection or humiliation, instead they sang their sacred hymns; none feared dead or gave up their faith.[58] After 3 months of confinement[59] On June 9, 1716, Banda Singh’s eyes were gouged, his limbs were severed, his skin removed, and then he was killed.[60]

until the Indian formed a Sikhs army and they started killing Muslims, is when you Muslims stopped.
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In 1716 ca. Farrukh Siyar, the Mughal Emperor, issued all Sikhs to be converted to Islam or die, an attempt to destroy the power of the Sikhs and to exterminate the community as a whole.[61] A reward was offered for the head of every Sikh.[62] For a time it appeared as if the boast of Farrukh Siyar to wipe out the name of Sikhs from the land was going to be fulfilled. Hundreds of Sikhs were brought in from their villages and executed, and thousands who had joined merely for the sake of booty cut off their hair and went back to the Hindu fold again.[63] Besides these there were some Sikhs who had not yet received the baptism of Guru Gobind Singh, nor did they feel encouraged to do so, as the adoption of the outward symbols meant courting death.

After a few years Adbus Samad Khan, the Governor of Lahore, Punjab and other Mughal officers began to pursuit Sikhs less and thus the Sikhs came back to the villages and started going to the Gurdwaras again,[64] which were managed by Udasis when the Sikhs were in hiding. The Sikhs celebrated Diwali and Vaisakhi at Harmandir Sahib. The Khalsa had been split into two major factions Bandia Khalsa and Tat Khalsa and tensions were spewing between the two.

Under the authority of Mata Sundari Bhai Mani Singh become the Jathedar of the Harminder Sahib[65] and a leader of the Sikhs and the Bandia Khalsa and Tat Khalsa joined by Bhai Mani Singh into the Tat Khalsa[66] and after the event from that day the Bandeis assumed a quieter role and practically disappeared from the pages of history. A police post was established at Amritsar to keep a check on the Sikhs.[67]

Abdus Samad Khan, was transferred to Multan in 1726, and his more energetic Son, Zakaria Khan, also known as Khan Bahadur,[68] was appointed to take his place as the governor of Lahore. In 1726, Tarra Singh of Wan, a renowned Sikh leader, and his 26 men was killed after Governor Zakaria Khan, sent 2200 horses, 40 zamburaks, 5 elephants and 4 cannons, under the command of his deputy, Momim Khan.[69] The murder of Tarra Singh spread across the Sikhs in Punjab and the Sikhs. Finding no Sikhs around, the government falsely announced in each village with the beat of a drum, that all Sikhs had been eliminated but the common people knew the truth that this was not the case.[70] The Sikhs did not face the army directly, because of their small numbers, but adopted dhai phut guerrilla warfare (hit and run) tactics.

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#45369 Feb 25, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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Christians have done enough of blowing other Christian to pieces in their 2000 years history. WW-1 and WW-2 were two such incidents.
They have a lull for past few decades or so, you do not know when the Lava would erupt.
Muslims are "low volume" killers.... Christians are Masters of the art!!
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MUQ the Sikhs only killed Muslims men.
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This is what was said about the Sikhs by A MUSLIM >>>>> Qadi Nur Mohammed, who came to Punjab with Ahmad Shah Abdali and was present during many Sikh battles writes about the Sikhs:[160]
“ They do not kill a woman, a child, or a coward running away from the fight. They do not rob any person nor do they take away the ornaments of a woman, be she a queen or a slave girl. They commit no adultery, rather they respect the women of even their enemies. They always shun thieves and adulterers and in generosity they surpass Hatim.”
Outstanding

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#45370 Feb 25, 2014
So muq you keep avoiding an important question
Uthman as you admit wrote his own quran 12 years after Muhammad was murdered.
Uthman then burnt all the other 18 versions.
But then the Bakri tribe (led by Aisha at this point) murdered Uthman.
Utham was buried as a 'non believer' in a jewish graveyard.
I believe recently the Saudi wahhabi have bulldozed this site to stop it being a holy place of islam & to deny Uthman's existence.
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It sits oddly that that Abu Bakr & Umar the first 2 caliphates saw no need for a quran.
It sits oddly that Uthman felt the need to write a Quran - over a decade later... one that did not include the scripts from Muhammad held by the Bakri but no doubt a revisionist view by Uthman that conflicted with what the Bakri thought.
It is no coincidence the Bakri killed Uthman & Ali as well and Islam has been split into two warring factions ever since..
Muq -
Q1. why do you think Uthman was murdered and why was he buried as a non believer and non Muslim ?
Q2. How credible can his Quran be when Aisha and others had their own versions and denied that Uthman's subjective view of things was correct?
Q3. Muhammads final message when he warned the Bakri quareeshi (Sunni)" were of evil, they had perverted Islam, would pervert it further" and to 'turn on your heel & walk away from them'- what do you think muhammad meant by this?

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#45371 Feb 26, 2014
Baron44 wrote:
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MUQ the Sikhs only killed Muslims men.
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This is what was said about the Sikhs by A MUSLIM >>>>> Qadi Nur Mohammed, who came to Punjab with Ahmad Shah Abdali and was present during many Sikh battles writes about the Sikhs:[160]
“ They do not kill a woman, a child, or a coward running away from the fight. They do not rob any person nor do they take away the ornaments of a woman, be she a queen or a slave girl. They commit no adultery, rather they respect the women of even their enemies. They always shun thieves and adulterers and in generosity they surpass Hatim.”
wakup
the British christian raj killed over a billion Indians

https://sites.google.com/site/muslimholocaust...

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#45372 Feb 26, 2014
champion65 wrote:
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wakup
the British christian raj killed over a billion Indians
https://sites.google.com/site/muslimholocaust...
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You do not see me hiding my head in sand and denying that Christians killed many humans.
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What I see is Muslim living in a world of denial, and are not willing to admit the millions Islam killed in the name of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) the known homosexual Arab and a false God Islam call Allah.
Mim

Ingleburn, Australia

#45373 Feb 26, 2014
Baron44 wrote:
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You do not see me hiding my head in sand and denying that Christians killed many humans.
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What I see is Muslim living in a world of denial, and are not willing to admit the millions Islam killed in the name of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) the known homosexual Arab and a false God Islam call Allah.
I MOST certainly agree with you in that. I respect Modern European Culture so much because they are willing to own up to their mistakes and apologise for the cruscades and Atlantic Slave Trade. In many cultures, that is considered true bravery and the epitome of maturity in a man. Because bravery is when you stand firm in a place of vulnerability rather than fearlessness. Whereas Muslims are still twisting and turning when confronted with their own earlier bustling slave trade of their own.

But from my occasional glances on this forum, not once has a muslim here owned up to their vast crimes sincerely. They either bring up Christian crimes or they argue that everybody has done it. No apology at all, and I do not expect any in the future unless it benefits their P.R. I think this is quite dishonest and cowardly.

Battle is deception is a quote ushered from Sun Tzu in the book 'The Art of War.' Now I ask, who are the Masters of War then? The West or the Muslim world who has convinced the rest of the globe that their conquest pushing into Spain, Africa and India was an age of enlightenment and tolerance? Further research will show that their shining beacon of light Granada was nothing more than nostalgic delusions with occasional sparks of tolerance. Of course when you compared Granada to a vengeful Inquisition Spain, of course it puts the West in a bad light doesn't it?

I salute you for bringing this up.
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Rhodes, Australia

#45374 Feb 26, 2014
So muq you keep avoiding an important questions. Ones that are to the very essence of the topic - that 'fear of Muslims' is based on the contradictions & deciet of the Islam faith itself.
For example ;
Uthman as you reluctantly admitted - wrote his own quran 12 years after Muhammad was murdered.
Uthman then burnt all the other 18 versions.
But then the Bakri tribe (led by Aisha at this point) murdered Uthman.
Utham was buried as a 'non believer' in a jewish graveyard.
I believe recently the Saudi wahhabi have bulldozed this site to stop it being a holy place of islam & to deny Uthman's existence.
These are facts with evidence that create serious doubts about the validity & imtegity of Islam.
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It sits oddly that that Abu Bakr & Umar the first 2 caliphates saw no need for a quran.
It sits oddly that Uthman felt the need to write a Quran - over a decade later... one that did not
include the scripts from Muhammad held by the Bakri and no doubt a revisionist view by Uthman that conflicted with what the Bakri thought.
It puts serious doubt about what Muhammad really thought, said or dictated to Ali as his final learnings & instruction - no one has ever seen or relayed this - Aisha said 'it was eaten by a goat & Allah willed this'.
It is no coincidence the Bakri killed Uthman & Ali as well and Islam has been split into two warring
factions ever since..
It raises the question that the quran itself is a falsification and many were murdered to prevent the real truth of muhammads recession or denial of Allah in his later years ever seeing the light of day.
It raises the question that the Quran is a compromised pagan heresy tainted by the quareeshi / bakri sunni taking islam into idolatry
including the haj & Hubal Allah idol worship - clearly idolatry & the Shia faction lost in Sufism and their own heretical worship of a false bloodline (Ali of Fatimah - who was not of Muhammad or a valid heir as the Bakri claim)
Seems like both main strains of islam have at their very core falsehood, idol worship, heresy & deception.
Muq -
Q1. why do you think Uthman was murdered & why was he buried as a non believer and non
Muslim ?
Q2. How credible can his Quran be when Aisha and others had their own versions and denied
that Uthman's subjective view of things was correct?
Q3. The evidence the Bakri have that Fatimah was not of Muhammad seems compelling. As Muhammad had no heir ( he was denied the option by the bakri to even have a proxy slave heir such was the desperation on this..) isn't it a fact that both the Bakri (Sunni) & Shia make false claims - Uthmans Quran continues the obvious falsehood rather than resolving it.
Q4. Muhammads final message when he warned the Bakri quareeshi (Sunni)" were of evil,
they had perverted Islam, would pervert it further" and to 'turn on your heel & walk away from them'- what do you think muhammad
meant by this?
Did it mean litrerally as Muhammad said - islam is perverted, corrupt, idolatry, lies and not to be believed ?(and then the Bakri murdered him to shut him up)..
How come 'islam' ignores the last and final clear & desperate plea from Muhammad himself ?
Where not his final words the most important ?
This is why islam is seen a evil and a heretical apostasy.
This is why the quran is seen as a liars tale.
No one in Islam can answer these questions truthfully, they are imprisoned to keep living the
lie of being Muslim.
Thats the what we fear about Muslims. They live in the cloak of lies of Islam & lack honesty or courage to face their own deceit. Yet they wish others to wear this cloak of lies as well.
Jake

Coorparoo, Australia

#45375 Feb 26, 2014
jason wrote:
stupid topic ! we should fear people like you who spread hate ! grow up and have a big heart ! australia is for all and no one will ever take over the australian law this is just stupid to think that muslims will take over ! oh come on lol we are all human and no one is better then no one we all deserve to live and belleive in any religion we want.. i know heaps of australians who became muslims and i respect them for that ! they are free to do so . we cant judge them for just being muslims !
Then why are large parts of the muslim community pushing for sharia law to handle there matters, not Australian law.

Why are parts of the muslim community defying Australian law and mutilating young girls genitals ?

Why are parts of there community defying Australian law and marrying multiple wives ?

Why are there imams marrying underage girls to filthy old men ?

Why do they march in the streets holding signs calling for decapitation of those who disagree with them ?

Why does the larger muslim community sit quiet as this goes on if they do actually disagree with this behaviour?
sid

Chermside, Australia

#45376 Feb 26, 2014
jason wrote:
stupid topic ! we should fear people like you who spread hate ! grow up and have a big heart ! australia is for all and no one will ever take over the australian law this is just stupid to think that muslims will take over ! oh come on lol we are all human and no one is better then no one we all deserve to live and belleive in any religion we want.. i know heaps of australians who became muslims and i respect them for that ! they are free to do so . we cant judge them for just being muslims !
Yes we can blame them for being muslims because muslims invariably demonstrate a predisposition towards violence when dealing with differences of opinion. Being a muslim constitutes an us and them attitude, that is, us muslims are entitled to rule the world and infidels must convert or die. The self righteous muslim will defend the indefensible, lie and deceive to further his stoneage way of thinking. Muslim sharia law is fundamental to muslims and is designed for nothing more than the subjugation, control and manipulation of women and exploitation of young girls.
Anyone that converts to islam is subject to conditioning since there is no debate on muslim doctrine only total unquestioned acceptance and therefore displays weak nonrational mind.
Look at middle eastern muslim countries, most differences of opinion is dealt with by rule number AK47, the only way these countries stay in some semblance of order is by threat from the ruling factions of deadly violence.

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