Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46739 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Scoop.

pigmuncherbuster

Wiley Park, Australia

#44397 Jan 8, 2014
Education program fro white trash, Bigots, Pig munchers, Child molestor's and proverbially ignorant LLOL,LLOL,LLOL........not to mention gay dik-sukers...LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,

JANUARY 08, 2014

Aggravating Conflicts

U.S. Foreign Policy Is a Shambles
by SHELDON RICHMAN

With al-Qaeda affiliates wreaking havoc in Iraq, Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham seem to lament that no U.S. troops are on the scene to get in on the action.
“The Administration must recognize the failure of its policies in the Middle East and change course,” McCain and Graham said.
Change course? Do they want to send troops back to Iraq, so they can do more dying and killing?
McCain and Graham, who never saw an opportunity for U.S. military intervention they didn’t like, continue to operate under the absurd illusion that American politicians and bureaucrats can micromanage something as complex as a foreign society. Their hubris knows no bounds, but, then, they never pay the price for their foolishness. Who pays? The Americans they cheer off to war, but even more so, the people in foreign lands who are on the receiving end of American intervention.
How do those scoundrels in Washington sleep?
If you haven’t noticed, American foreign policy is a shambles. Iraq and Afghanistan are engulfed in violence, and their corrupt, authoritarian governments are objects of suspicion and hatred. The suggestion that U.S. forces could make things better only shows how out of touch people in Washington can be.
Anyone who was thinking clearly in 2001–2003 knew it would come to this. Afghanistan has a history of driving out invaders. Only someone blinded by the allure of empire could fool himself into thinking the U.S. government could arrange affairs such that they wouldn’t unravel the moment U.S. personnel prepared to leave the country.
The 2003 Iraq invasion raised even more questions about the ability of policymakers to engage in clear thinking. Under Saddam Hussein, the minority Sunni Muslims ruled the Shi’ite majority, many of whom were sympathetic to Shi’ite Iran, America’s supposed bête noir. Take out Saddam, and Iran’s friends would rule. Indeed, the man who became Iraq’s prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, was handpicked by Iranian authorities.(Ironically, the Shi’ite leader that the Bush administration chose to fight, Muqtada al-Sadr, was the most nationalist of Iraqi Shi’ites and least sympathetic to Iran.)
With Shi’ites in control, Iraqi Sunnis resisted. And then came the al-Qaeda fighters, who saw a chance to kill both Shi’ites and Americans. Hence the continued violence in Iraq, even though U.S. forces left at the end of 2011 — despite the Obama administration’s best effort to keep some there.
Iraq and Afghanistan are not the only places where U.S. foreign policy is in disarray. Take Egypt. The Obama administration — including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — stuck with hated military dictator and ally Hosni Mubarak until the bitter end and even then tried to have his second-in-command and torturer in chief, Omar Suleiman, take over when Mubarak was finished. That didn’t work, of course, and a fledgling democracy (whatever its imperfections) began to sprout wings.
The Obama administration praised Egyptian democratic aspirations, but when the military deposed President Muhammad Morsi last year, the administration sided with the coup makers — although it could not use the word coup, for that would require stopping the annual $1.5 billion payment to the Egyptian military. The U.S. government has no desire to end that appropriation, because it keeps Egypt in the American camp and blunts its support for the Palestinians, who are under occupation by U.S. partner Israel. With Egypt’s military government cracking down on the civil liberties of the members of Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood, U.S. policy looks more monstrous every day.
pigmuncherbuster

Wiley Park, Australia

#44398 Jan 8, 2014
Speaking of Israel, Secretary of State John Kerry seems to be going all out for a peace agreement between the government of Benjamin Netanyahu and the Palestinians, but Kerry’s effort has a fatal flaw at its core. Netanyahu & Co. don’t want the Palestinians to have a viable, autonomous state free of Israeli domination. We know this because the prime minister keeps announcing plans for more illegal Jewish-only residences on Palestinian land acquired through war. Kerry won’t condemn this flagrant undermining of “peace” talks because he, like so many American politicians, is beholden to Israel’s powerful American lobby.
Then there’s Libya and Syria — but you get the idea. U.S. foreign intervention aggravates conflicts and puts America on the side of oppressors. No wonder it’s falling to pieces.
Sheldon Richman is vice president and editor at The Future of Freedom Foundation in Fairfax, Va.( www.fff.org ).
Poopmobile

Redcliffe, Australia

#44399 Jan 8, 2014
The Pigs-arse-buster likes to make up weird stories. hehehe! he gets such a thrill.
FTW

Rhodes, Australia

#44400 Jan 8, 2014
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Who chose the name of this thread? That shows Australians have "built-in fear from Muslims".
02. No present day Muslims are not following what are teachings in Islam.
The questions you have posed are not correct and show your crooked mind.
And you have provided answers to the questions
which confirm you have a twisted mind.
03. Jesus did not left a model to be followed. Why not GWB the great followed the path of Jesus on 9/11?
You have a sick mind and unable to distinguish between right and wrong, what sort of discussions we can have with you?
Are you saying in (02) that you believe that no present day Muslims are following Islam correctly?
That's a bit confusing to us because there seem to be at least 3 or more different groupings of Islam and then about 30 or so sub sects or variants of Islam. All have their own intepretations of the Quran & hadeeth.

Is there a particular version of Islam you believe is more correct or closest to what you believe that Muslims should be following?
Islam implodes

Rhodes, Australia

#44401 Jan 8, 2014
If the Iraq wars 1 & 2 were the 'oil wars' then Syria is the 'gas war 1'. 
The Syrian war is driven by 2 rival factions Shia v Sunni in their  desperate efforts to sell their gas to the infidel.  F. William Engdahl,«Natural gas is the flammable ingredient fueling the insanity in the region.»
The battle is over rival pipelines going to Europe, either from Iran & Iraq to the Mediterranean
coast of Syria, or from Qatar and Saudi Arabia THRU Syria and Turkey connecting to the Nabucco pipeline from the Azerbejain reserve.
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 SYRIA is the key piece in this gas monopoly game. Syria Iran, Iraq (shia) and Russia did a deal (June 2011) to develop their own pipeline
and gas hub - and immediately Saudi, Qatar, Jordan & Turkey have waged war to destabilize & colonize Syria, including trying to drag in the west (ie Saudi & Sunni funded poison gas 
attacks on Sunni moderates to try and blame this on Assad & bring in USA intervention)

=>The fight re  Syrian «democracy» is nothing more than a tacky Sunni v Shia gas pipeline war.

The rebellion in Syria began on signing a memorandum in Bushehr on June 25, 2011 of construction of the new Iran-Iraq-Syria gas
pipeline…an alternative to the Qatar Saudi Turkey link to the now stalled Nabucco pipeline from Azerbyjain. 

 The Iranian, Iraq & Syrian 'Islamic pipeline' runs
from Asaluyeh the largest gas field in the world,
North Dome/South Pars to Damascus and then onto Greece. The length of pipeline in Iran is 225 km, Iraq 500 km, Syria 500-700 km. It then  extend along the Mediterranean Sea to Greece.
Investments equal 10 billion dollars.
This pipeline, dubbed the "Islamic pipeline" starts operation in 2015-2016. Its projected capacity is 110 million cubic meters of gas per day
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Saudi & Qatar have spent over $9 billion in waging a war on Syria to stop this pipeline, as  it takes them out economically for over 30 years -
given the cost difference between piped & shipped gas (8 x cost). 

=>The terrorism in Syria is funded by Saudi,
Qatar & Sunni religious funding. All Wahhabist and  Sunnis are compelled to donate each week around 8% of their disposable income at Friday prayers to support the many various terrorist & murder syndicates set up as part of this
sham internecine 'holy' war of Sunni  versus the Shia/Allawites..
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The USA... initially backed Saudi & Qatar... However due to fracking, the USA has huge gas

export capabilities (bigger than saudi) and so has set itself up as a supplier to western Europe (Dallas Exxon gas hub). 
So when Prince Bandar of  Saudi funded &
launched the poison gas attack (on Sunnis to try and blame Assad and force the west into the war)- it completely backfired. 
The Russians exposed it for what it was - and
the USA used that excuse to back away from the saudi & qatar faction & join with Russia, Iran& Syria in tacit support.
 The USA is gradually abandoning Saudi, Qatar
& Turkey, those regimes are being systemically  destabilized - i.e. recent events in turkey & now isolation of Saudi.
Today the fighting has moved to eastern Iraq Anbar province as an alternative Saudi to Turkey pipeline corridor. 
But the USA said it will back Shia (iran/iraq are now shia controlled against Saudi/Qatar/Turkish
terrorists. The USA has promised the Iraq Shia drones, air & missile cover & heavy weapons.
So now the USA supports Russian/Iranian/Iraq Shia against Saudi/Qatar/Turkish Sunni.
It won't be long it blowbacks inside Saudi & Qatar as well as Turkey in full on revolts.
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And how they must laugh in Washington & Beijing& Moscow. Muslims killing Muslims in their desperation to sell themselves to the infidel!!
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Many in Washington, Moscow & Beijing want a 100 year war between the Sunni & Shia. 
So no doubt they will all act to 'help' each muslim side, Sunni or Shia kill each other.
The funding model is beautiful. The Moslems all willingly pay at prayers to directly fund the killing
of each other ! Islam is imploding.
Praise Allah indeed.
Poopmobile

Redcliffe, Australia

#44402 Jan 8, 2014
pigmuncherbuster wrote:
Speaking of Israel, Secretary of State John Kerry seems to be going all out for a peace agreement between the government of Benjamin Netanyahu and the Palestinians, but Kerry’s effort has a fatal flaw at its core. Netanyahu & Co. don’t want the Palestinians to have a viable, autonomous state free of Israeli domination. We know this because the prime minister keeps announcing plans for more illegal Jewish-only residences on Palestinian land acquired through war. Kerry won’t condemn this flagrant undermining of “peace” talks because he, like so many American politicians, is beholden to Israel’s powerful American lobby.
Then there’s Libya and Syria — but you get the idea. U.S. foreign intervention aggravates conflicts and puts America on the side of oppressors. No wonder it’s falling to pieces.
Sheldon Richman is vice president and editor at The Future of Freedom Foundation in Fairfax, Va.( www.fff.org ).
You make up too many dumb arse nonsense stories Pigface - what happened to your brain ?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#44403 Jan 8, 2014
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You are least qualified to issue such statements.
So go to Sleep!!
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MUQ no one better than I can make such a statement.

If as it says in the Bible, God made me to his own image I also must be a God.
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Muslims are not Gods for they come from somewhere between the backbone and the ribs.
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MUQ like I came directly from my father's testicles.
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Dr. William Campbell explains why this passage is incompatible with modern medical knowledge relating to the production of semen:

Here we find that Muslims believes Man is made from a 'gushing fluid' that issues from the adult father during the 'now' of the reproductive act, from a specific physical place 'between the loins and the ribs.'(other translations have backbone instead of loins)

Since the verse is speaking of the moment of adult reproduction it can't be talking about the time of embryonic development. Moreover, since 'sulb' is being used in conjunction with 'gushing fluid', which can only be physical; and 'tara'ib' which is another physical word for chest or thorax or ribs, it can't be euphemistic. Therefore, we are left with the very real problem that the semen is coming from the back or kidney area and not the testicles.

Dr. Bucaille, as a physician recognizes this problem only too well, so he wiggles and squirms (as he accuses the Christian commentators of doing) and finally after quoting the verse as we have seen it translated above says,'This would seem more to be an interpretation than a translation. It is hardly comprehensible'. This is the second time he has called the Qur'an obscure or hardly comprehensible when there was a problem.

Therefore, let us look at the translations which I have been consulting. Those made by Muslims are:

Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Egyptian, 1946 with a preface from 1938
'He is created from a drop emitted—proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.'

Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall, English, 1977 (translation probably 1940)
'He is created from a gushing fluid that issued from between the loins and ribs.'

Muhammad Zafrulla Khan, Pakistani, 1971
'He is created from a fluid poured forth, which issues forth from between the loins and the breastbones.'

Muhammad Hamidullah, French, 1981 (10th Edition, completely revised)
'Il a été créé d'une giclée d'eau sortie d'entre lombes et côtes.'
He was created from a spurt of water coming out between the loins and ribs.
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Muslims are that stupid that up to today they are convinced that the female produces sperm and can determine the gender of the child in her womb,<<<< how stupid are these Barbaric people we call Muslims?
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MUQ read the following and educate your self.
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"If a male's fluid prevails upon the female's substance, the child will be a male by Allah's decree, and when the substance of the female prevails upon the substance contributed by the male, a female child is formed"[25]. Surely this is not referring to dominant and recessive genes at all, as certain Muslims have claimed [26], but is simply repeating the incorrect belief of Hippocrates that both men and women produce both male and female sperm. The sex of the resulting child is determined by which sperm overwhelms the other in strength or quantity:
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Therefore we discover that Muhammad believed that women actually produced the sperm necessary in determining both the gender and characteristics of the fetus. This is an idea that Muhammad clearly took from the Greek physicians as indicated by Dr. Lactantius.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#44404 Jan 8, 2014
pigmuncherbuster wrote:
Education program fro white trash, Bigots, Pig munchers, Child molestor's and proverbially ignorant LLOL,LLOL,LLOL........not to mention gay dik-sukers...LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,
JANUARY 08, 2014
Aggravating Conflicts
U.S. Foreign Policy Is a Shambles
by SHELDON RICHMAN
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I noticed that my Brisbane Squealing pig is at his computer again, spruiken crap.
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These are the facts you squealing pig ("pigmuncherbuster")
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For a wife to abandon the bed of her husband without excuse is haram [forbidden]. It is one of the major sins and the angels curse her until the morning as we have been informed by the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace). She is considered nashiz (rebellious) under these circumstances. As for the issue of forcing a wife to have sex, if she refuses, this would not be called rape, even though it goes against natural instincts and destroys love and mercy, and there is a great sin upon the wife who refuses; and Allah Almighty is more exalted and more knowledgeable.
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http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2011/07/30/re...
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Taliban hang 8-year-old boy in southern Afghanistan

KABUL (BNO NEWS)— Suspected members of the Taliban on Friday hung the 8-year-old son of a local police commander in southern Afghanistan after ordering his father to surrender, according to a news report on Saturday.

The Deutsche Presse-Agentur (DPA) news agency reported that the young boy was kidnapped by militants in the Greshk district of Helmand province on Tuesday. They had ordered his father to surrender to the Taliban or else the boy would be executed.
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Muslims do worse than cutting off penises!
They cut out the hearts of little innocent children and eat their hearts.
As you can see her heart has been cut out and stuffed with a piece of cloth. No need to speculate what was done to that heart. Notice how this tiny little child has her hands tied behind her back so she cannot resist.
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How much lower than an animal can you Muslim get?
http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2011/05/11/ne...
http://www12.0zz0.com/2013/09/19/23/227360802...
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Now we know whey Muslim brothers fck each other in the arse from the time they can walk.
Read on >>>>
http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2012/07/31/so...
and >>>
http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2012/06/12/is...
muslim

Lumberton, NC

#44405 Jan 8, 2014
you have nothing to fear from us australia! why whould we want to "conquer" a land where everything is trying to kill you? and if i had to spend a freaking minute with that bastard abbot i whould slit my wrist..
Jake

Coorparoo, Australia

#44406 Jan 8, 2014
muslim wrote:
you have nothing to fear from us australia! why whould we want to "conquer" a land where everything is trying to kill you? and if i had to spend a freaking minute with that bastard abbot i whould slit my wrist..
And yet, dispite all the dangerous wildlife we have here its still a safer nation to live in than any Islamic nation on earth.......says a lot about islam dosent it ?
Anonymous

Panania, Australia

#44408 Jan 8, 2014
Small Town America wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey! Angel! It has been a long time since I have seen you post! Remember those days many, many motnhs ago on the Russian forums? I came to your aid because you where being ganged up by all those idiots!! William from the UK! he went to other alias such as robespierre, etc. He has been ridiculed so much that he now changes his name on all his postings.
P. S. Note that this dickhead is from Canada and not the USA. Muslims are sneaky, eh!
Calm down dude stay off the caffeine and sugar for an extended period of time please.
Serpent

Richmond, Canada

#44409 Jan 8, 2014
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. It is YOU who have taken over responsibility of wiping off Terrorism from the world, so YOU should finish the job.
Past 12 years experience has shown that terrorism is on the rise and not declining. So there is something wrong in your actions.
02. Please tell us, how Quran teaches people to become terrorists. Your conclusions should have proofs too, should they not.
Civilized way is what Quran teaches us to solve the problems, if they are not doing it, they are not following it.
03. It is obvious that you have never seen Quran or read it. Why don’t you read it from end to end and find out what it says.
Muslims are terrorists. No Muslims, no terrorists!!
If terrorism is on the rise, it's pretty obvious they are killing Muslims.
Everywhere Muslims are killing Muslims, Syria, Iraq etc etc.
I guess it's not all bad.

No civilized way is not what the quran teaches, otherwise there would be no Muslim terrorists. I don't need to read the hate book, I only have to look at the results of those who follow the quran. Your a good example as well of one who follows the quran and just look at you!!

Your full of hate!! Another quran graduate!!
Anonymous

Panania, Australia

#44411 Jan 8, 2014
St Nick wrote:
<quoted text>
It's good isn't it, they all kill each other in the Middle East, Pakistan and India while we kick back and giggle to ourselves "what a bunch of stupid cu, nuts" that's the proof right there, only those countries would you find such stupidity. Dumbass black motherphuckers. Only their most intelligent gent to come here and drive our cabs.
Nick I was just wondering do you have a job or are you a internet junkie that has no life or career prospects and you are on this site to fill in time ?
Anonymous

Panania, Australia

#44414 Jan 8, 2014
St Nick wrote:
<quoted text>
Said kettle to pot. Just on holidays, I like stirring half wits like you. It makes me feel good knowing dumbcunts like yourself will respond to my hate.
Nick settle down please you are showing your class by using such strong language. I suspect you are on one permanent holiday and you have been so for several years now. I think you should get off the wheat, diary and sugar, get some regular exercise and do some volunteer work so you can obtain some skills so you can go into the workforce one day. Remember the gravy train with welfare will not last forever and if you do not get a paid job you will eventually have to work for your Centrelink income.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#44416 Jan 8, 2014
Eucalyptus wrote:
MUQ,
You are wasting your time on an Australian forum preaching Islam.
If you go to the Australian Bureau of Statistics you will find that a growing number of Muslims in Australia are leaving their religion for atheism e.g. freedom from oppression.
If Muslims are leaving Islam, then what is the need of this thread? Why then Australians have "fear" of Muslims?

They should welcome Muslims because they become "Non Muslims" as soon as their feet touches Australian soil.

Is there not a contradiction in your post?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#44417 Jan 8, 2014
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http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-complete-...

Introduction by Gilad Atzmon

One of the dispensations for killing non-Jews, according to religious law, applies in a case of din rodef [the law of the “pursuer,” according to which one who is pursuing another with murderous intent may be killed extrajudicially] even when the pursuer is a civilian.“The dispensation applies even when the pursuer is not threatening to kill directly, but only indirectly,” the book states.“Even a civilian who assists combat fighters is considered a pursuer and may be killed.

Anyone who assists the army of the wicked in any way is strengthening murderers and is considered a pursuer. A civilian who encourages the war gives the king and his soldiers the strength to continue. Therefore, any citizen of the state that opposes us who encourages the combat soldiers or expresses satisfaction over their actions is considered a pursuer and may be killed. Also, anyone who weakens our own state by word or similar action is considered a pursuer.”

Rabbis Shapira and Elitzur determine that children may also be harmed because they are “hindrances.” The rabbis write as follows:“Hindrances—babies are found many times in this situation. They block the way to rescue by their presence and do so completely by force. Nevertheless, they may be killed because their presence aids murder. There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.”

In addition, the children of the leader may be harmed in order to apply pressure to him. If attacking the children of a wicked ruler will influence him not to behave wickedly, they may be harmed.“It is better to kill the pursuers than to kill others,” the authors state.

In a chapter entitled “Deliberate harm to innocents,” the book explains that war is directed mainly against the pursuers, but those who belong to the enemy nation are also considered the enemy because they are assisting murderers.

Retaliation also has a place and purpose in this book by Rabbis Shapira and Elitzur.“In order to defeat the enemy, we must behave toward them in a spirit of retaliation and measure for measure,” they state.“Retaliation is absolutely necessary in order to render such wickedness not worthwhile. Therefore, sometimes we do cruel deeds in order to create the proper balance of terror.”

In one of the footnotes, the two rabbis write in such a way that appears to permit individuals to act on their own, outside of any decision by the government or the army.

“A decision by the nation is not necessary to permit shedding the blood of the evil kingdom,” the rabbis write.“Even individuals from the nation being attacked may harm them.”

Unlike books of religious law that are published by yeshivas, this time the rabbis added a chapter containing the book’s conclusions. Each of the six chapters is summarized into main points of several lines, which state, among other things:“In religious law, we have found that non-Jews are generally suspected of shedding Jewish blood, and in war, this suspicion becomes a great deal stronger. One must consider killing even babies, who have not violated the seven Noahide laws, because of the future danger that will be caused if they are allowed to grow up to be as wicked as their parents.”

MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#44418 Jan 8, 2014
Even though the authors are careful, as stated, to use the term “non-Jews,” there are certainly those who could interpret the nationality of the “non-Jews” who are liable to endanger the Jewish people. This is strengthened by the leaflet “The Jewish Voice,” which is published on the Internet from Yitzhar, which comments on the book:“It is superfluous to note that nowhere in the book is it written that the statements are directed only to the ancient non-Jews.” The leaflet’s editors did not omit a stinging remark directed at the GSS, who will certainly take the trouble to get themselves a copy.“The editors suggest to the GSS that they award the prize for Israel’s security to the authors,” the leaflet states,“who gave the detectives the option of reading the summarized conclusions without any need for in-depth study of the entire book.”

One student of the Od Yosef Hai yeshiva in Yitzhar explained, from his point of view, where RabbisShapira and Elitzur got the courage to speak so freely on a subject such as the killing of non-Jews.“The rabbis aren’t afraid of prosecution because in that case, Maimonides [Rabbi Moses ben Maimon, 1135–1204] and Nahmanides [Rabbi Moses ben Nahman, 1194–1270] would have to stand trial too, and anyway, this is research on religious law,” the yeshiva student said.“In a Jewish state, nobody sits in jail for studying Torah.”

..........


Iran Rabbi urges Jews to burn controversial book
Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:57:20 GMT
Anonymous

Panania, Australia

#44419 Jan 8, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-complete-...
Introduction by Gilad Atzmon
One of the dispensations for killing non-Jews, according to religious law, applies in a case of din rodef [the law of the “pursuer,” according to which one who is pursuing another with murderous intent may be killed extrajudicially] even when the pursuer is a civilian.“The dispensation applies even when the pursuer is not threatening to kill directly, but only indirectly,” the book states.“Even a civilian who assists combat fighters is considered a pursuer and may be killed.
Anyone who assists the army of the wicked in any way is strengthening murderers and is considered a pursuer. A civilian who encourages the war gives the king and his soldiers the strength to continue. Therefore, any citizen of the state that opposes us who encourages the combat soldiers or expresses satisfaction over their actions is considered a pursuer and may be killed. Also, anyone who weakens our own state by word or similar action is considered a pursuer.”
Rabbis Shapira and Elitzur determine that children may also be harmed because they are “hindrances.” The rabbis write as follows:“Hindrances—babies are found many times in this situation. They block the way to rescue by their presence and do so completely by force. Nevertheless, they may be killed because their presence aids murder. There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.”
In addition, the children of the leader may be harmed in order to apply pressure to him. If attacking the children of a wicked ruler will influence him not to behave wickedly, they may be harmed.“It is better to kill the pursuers than to kill others,” the authors state.
In a chapter entitled “Deliberate harm to innocents,” the book explains that war is directed mainly against the pursuers, but those who belong to the enemy nation are also considered the enemy because they are assisting murderers.
Retaliation also has a place and purpose in this book by Rabbis Shapira and Elitzur.“In order to defeat the enemy, we must behave toward them in a spirit of retaliation and measure for measure,” they state.“Retaliation is absolutely necessary in order to render such wickedness not worthwhile. Therefore, sometimes we do cruel deeds in order to create the proper balance of terror.”
In one of the footnotes, the two rabbis write in such a way that appears to permit individuals to act on their own, outside of any decision by the government or the army.
“A decision by the nation is not necessary to permit shedding the blood of the evil kingdom,” the rabbis write.“Even individuals from the nation being attacked may harm them.”
Unlike books of religious law that are published by yeshivas, this time the rabbis added a chapter containing the book’s conclusions. Each of the six chapters is summarized into main points of several lines, which state, among other things:“In religious law, we have found that non-Jews are generally suspected of shedding Jewish blood, and in war, this suspicion becomes a great deal stronger. One must consider killing even babies, who have not violated the seven Noahide laws, because of the future danger that will be caused if they are allowed to grow up to be as wicked as their parents.”
MUQ seriously can I ask how long has it been since you have been laid ? i suspect it has been a very long time ! It is now time to get a life and some minge.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#44420 Jan 8, 2014
Serpent wrote:
01. Muslims are terrorists. No Muslims, no terrorists!!

02. If terrorism is on the rise, it's pretty obvious they are killing Muslims.
Everywhere Muslims are killing Muslims, Syria, Iraq etc etc.
I guess it's not all bad.

03. No civilized way is not what the quran teaches, otherwise there would be no Muslim terrorists. I don't need to read the hate book, I only have to look at the results of those who follow the quran. Your a good example as well of one who follows the quran and just look at you!!

Your full of hate!! Another quran graduate!!
Ans.

How there can be any discussion with such people?

Only way is to wish you best of luck to live in your world of hate and hatred.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#44421 Jan 9, 2014
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
If Muslims are leaving Islam, then what is the need of this thread? Why then Australians have "fear" of Muslims?
They should welcome Muslims because they become "Non Muslims" as soon as their feet touches Australian soil.
Is there not a contradiction in your post?
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Because there is always the idiot Indian Muslim who is a fanatic we have to be on the lookout for the MUQs in Australia.
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The MUQs are the dangerous ones, those that Islam disown.

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