Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46778 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43941 Dec 1, 2013
I list all those dreary statistics to drive home the point that the horror of two pressure cooker bombs in Boston that has so traumatized us should help us grasp the significance of the 1.8 million bomblets dropped in Iraq over a three-week period.

Obama was right to blast the use of weapons that targeted civilians in Boston as inherent acts of terrorism, but by what standard do such weapons change their nature when they are deployed by governments against civilians?

On Aug. 1, 2010, the Convention on Cluster Munitions, banning such weapons, became a matter of international law for the 111 nations, including 18 NATO members, that signed the agreement. The U.S. was not one of them. Current American policy, according to the Congressional Research Service report, is that “cluster munitions are available for use by every combat aircraft in the U.S. inventory; they are integral to every Army or Marine maneuver element and in some cases constitute up to 50 percent of tactical indirect fire support.”

However, there is new legislation pending in Congress that would require the president to certify that cluster munitions would “only be used against clearly defined military targets” and not deployed “where civilians are known to be present or in areas normally inhabited by civilians.” Lots of luck with that.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#43942 Dec 1, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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As usual, I leave her "alone"!! That is the best way to deal with such type of people.
Such type of person you speak of are numbered in their millions throughout the world and some of them were Muslim's.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#43943 Dec 1, 2013
its quite simple why we not only fear muslims but also dislike them.
the muslim faith has no tolerence for other religons and lets face it australia is a christian built country well after it was colonised anyway.
muslims wont stand for another religon surrounding them,that is why you have to obey their laws when in their countrys.they dont tolerate lessons from another religon being preached in there country.
they have being trying to convert the world since their religon popped out of the desert a 1000 years after christanty was established.
they have tried by wars and failed so the next best step is to infultrate all the countrys in the world so they can push there beliefs on us all.and this is excatly what they are doing.
now we have them asking for rights to this and that and to respect this and that of their beliefs.
and we of course,should i say our pollies and do gooders are bending over backwards to give them what they want.
give it 10 years and there will be 10-20 muslim pollies in the australian goverment and from that point on we will all be under sahara law.
so one of the first things we should be doing is at the border is getting them to denounce there religon and convert to christanty.
other wise show them the door back to were they came from

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#43944 Dec 1, 2013
well when you get a coward enemy that wont wear a uniform and will hide amongst the general population then of course you are going to get civlian causalitys.
MUQ wrote:
I list all those dreary statistics to drive home the point that the horror of two pressure cooker bombs in Boston that has so traumatized us should help us grasp the significance of the 1.8 million bomblets dropped in Iraq over a three-week period.
Obama was right to blast the use of weapons that targeted civilians in Boston as inherent acts of terrorism, but by what standard do such weapons change their nature when they are deployed by governments against civilians?
On Aug. 1, 2010, the Convention on Cluster Munitions, banning such weapons, became a matter of international law for the 111 nations, including 18 NATO members, that signed the agreement. The U.S. was not one of them. Current American policy, according to the Congressional Research Service report, is that “cluster munitions are available for use by every combat aircraft in the U.S. inventory; they are integral to every Army or Marine maneuver element and in some cases constitute up to 50 percent of tactical indirect fire support.”
However, there is new legislation pending in Congress that would require the president to certify that cluster munitions would “only be used against clearly defined military targets” and not deployed “where civilians are known to be present or in areas normally inhabited by civilians.” Lots of luck with that.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#43945 Dec 1, 2013
NO!!!!!!! no debate we just dont want your stinking camel loving religon.there is no place in our socitey for it.so go back to the desert and tell it to your camels
lessons in true islam wrote:
“The debate is just starting and we need to have more informed studies about conversion to Islam that directly address public interest and concern. The struggle for a better future relies on overcoming the politics of exclusion and absolute difference based on an ideological dislike for multiculturality, not just multiculturalism. Fear of immigration, Islam and conversion to it are a proxy for views on race, prejudice, anxiety and fear.”
The converts explored the issues of women’s rights and dress etiquette at some length, with the issue of wearing the hijab and other Islamic forms of dress heavily discussed. Although all views were represented in the debate, a common approach among many coverts was the adaptation of Western style dress to accommodate Islamic concepts of modesty and decency.
Women’s rights are a highly charged political issue within Muslim communities and while participants were not unanimously supportive of feminism as defined in the West, the need to raise the status of women within Muslim communities was fully acknowledged. Attempting to realise the practise of these rights has proven more difficult to achieve. Participants were especially critical of the concept of Sharia Council/courts operating in Britain in terms of the courts’ potential to jeopardise the rights of women.
The report says:‘Converts serve to confound and challenge negative racist or clichéd narratives depicted in the media of heritage Muslims because their culture and heritage is intrinsically reflective of British culture.
‘But we also find that not all conversions are equal socially in the eyes of some members of the heritage Muslim community. The conversion of white women seems to be more socially valued than African women by some. There is also greater depth to the hijab than is thought to be the case among heritage Muslims and the non-Muslim majority in Britain. There is a distinction to be made between wearing the hijab and being worn by it. This puts the convert women in control. The hijab signals modesty, but it is not intended to hide beauty.’
- See more at: http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/female-con...
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43946 Dec 1, 2013
NT wrote:
01. Why would god need anyone to dominate ?

02. The prophecy was fulfilled when Islam became dominant over all the Arab tribes .
Ans.

01. God can answer that question!!

What I think is that it is only "natural" that God' guidance should dominate Earth which was created by Him.

And do not it answers the prayers which Jesus and Most Christians make "every day"?

"…Your Kingdom come and your will be done on earth as it is done in heavens…"

Is that not asking for God's Will to dominate all other wills?

02. You are right, the prophesy was "partially fulfilled" when prophet made Islam as the "only religion" in Arabia.

But Quran is for all ages, so that domination should continue in all ages.

That is what we are seeing even in these "materialistic atheistic times".

It is only Islam and Muslims who are resisting it, all other "ways of life" have meekly surrendered themselves to this wave!!

Allah Knows Best.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43947 Dec 1, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Such type of person you speak of are numbered in their millions throughout the world and some of them were Muslim's.
They might be in millions or billions, they should be left alone. What if some of them have Muslim sounding names.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43948 Dec 1, 2013
dave1969 wrote:
well when you get a coward enemy that wont wear a uniform and will hide amongst the general population then of course you are going to get civlian causalitys.
<quoted text>
Yes I would like US bombing their own country and populated areas, to flush out a "few" unwanted people hiding there.

Let us see how you "nationalists and patriots" would like that.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#43949 Dec 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. God can answer that question!!
What I think is that it is only "natural" that God' guidance should dominate Earth which was created by Him.
And do not it answers the prayers which Jesus and Most Christians make "every day"?
"…Your Kingdom come and your will be done on earth as it is done in heavens…"
Is that not asking for God's Will to dominate all other wills?
02. You are right, the prophesy was "partially fulfilled" when prophet made Islam as the "only religion" in Arabia.
But Quran is for all ages, so that domination should continue in all ages.
That is what we are seeing even in these "materialistic atheistic times".
It is only Islam and Muslims who are resisting it, all other "ways of life" have meekly surrendered themselves to this wave!!
Allah Knows Best.
The prophecy could only have been directed at people's of the same race ,creed and colour of mankind of that place in that time and place and none other .
Islam like other religions then thought it their right to conquer foreign minds to be in their likeness to pay homage to their god and none other .
How do you see it that religious persecution leading to death is arse about face that it rewards those dead for standing up for themselves against religious warriors so that they may join god in heaven leaving those conquers behind to face their own persecution of having to remain on this earth defending their quest to survive until they too become a martyr ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#43950 Dec 2, 2013
MUQ, seeing Islam controlled what is now India and surrounding regions from many hundreds of years ago ,how is it possible that women would throw themselves on their dead husbands funeral pyre to escape having to live in a society who would treat them as their dregs of society ?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43952 Dec 2, 2013
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Boston Strong’: Marching in Lockstep with the Police State

By John W. Whitehead

April 23, 2013 "Information Clearing House" -"Rutherford Institute" - Caught up in the televised drama of a military-style manhunt for the suspects in the Boston Marathon explosion, most Americans fail to realize that the world around them has been suddenly and jarringly shifted off its axis, that axis being the U.S. Constitution.

For those like myself who have studied emerging police states, the sight of a city placed under martial law—its citizens under house arrest (officials used the Orwellian phrase “shelter in place” to describe the mandatory lockdown), military-style helicopters equipped with thermal imaging devices buzzing the skies, tanks and armored vehicles on the streets, and snipers perched on rooftops, while thousands of black-garbed police swarmed the streets and SWAT teams carried out house-to-house searches in search of two young and seemingly unlikely bombing suspects—leaves us in a growing state of unease.

Mind you, these are no longer warning signs of a steadily encroaching police state. The police state has arrived.

Equally unnerving is the ease with which Americans welcomed the city-wide lockdown, the routine invasion of their privacy, and the dismantling of every constitutional right intended to serve as a bulwark against government abuses. Watching it unfold, I couldn’t help but think of Nazi Field Marshal Hermann Goering’s remarks during the Nuremberg trials. As Goering noted:

It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

As the events in Boston have made clear, it does indeed work the same in every country. The same propaganda and police state tactics that worked for Adolf Hitler 80 years ago continue to be employed with great success in a post-9/11 America.

Whatever the threat to so-called security—whether it’s rumored weapons of mass destruction, school shootings, or alleged acts of terrorism—it doesn’t take much for the American people to march in lockstep with the government’s dictates, even if it means submitting to martial law, having their homes searched, and being stripped of one’s constitutional rights at a moment’s notice.

As journalist Andrew O’Hehir observes in Salon:

In America after 9/11, we made a deal with the devil, or with Dick Cheney, which is much the same thing. We agreed to give up most of our enumerated rights and civil liberties (except for the sacrosanct Second Amendment, of course) in exchange for a lot of hyper-patriotic tough talk, the promise of “security” and the freedom to go on sitting on our asses and consuming whatever the hell we wanted to.
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#43953 Dec 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I would like US bombing their own country and populated areas, to flush out a "few" unwanted people hiding there.
Let us see how you "nationalists and patriots" would like that.
In the West, the innocent do not go around protecting the guilty or bad people. We are a civilized society.

Unlike you barbarians you have to concept of things like law and order. You want to do anything you can to damage or cause harm to the West even if it's using innocent people to achieve your evil deeds.

You deserve what you get from the West. You barbarians never seem to learn!!
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#43954 Dec 2, 2013
Should read ("No" concept of law and order)
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43955 Dec 2, 2013
Serpent wrote:
<quoted text>
In the West, the innocent do not go around protecting the guilty or bad people. We are a civilized society.
Unlike you barbarians you have to concept of things like law and order. You want to do anything you can to damage or cause harm to the West even if it's using innocent people to achieve your evil deeds.
You deserve what you get from the West. You barbarians never seem to learn!!
When the shoe is your own feet, then you realise how much pain it causes.

What you do to others, you never realise the pain, do you?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43956 Dec 2, 2013
NT wrote:
1.

The prophecy could only have been directed at people's of the same race , creed and colour of mankind of that place in that time and place and none other .
Islam like other religions then thought it their right to conquer foreign minds to be in their likeness to pay homage to their god and none other .

How do you see it that religious persecution leading to death is arse about face that it rewards those dead for standing up for themselves against religious warriors so that they may join god in heaven leaving those conquers behind to face their own persecution of having to remain on this earth defending their quest to survive until they too become a martyr ?

2.

MUQ, seeing Islam controlled what is now India and surrounding regions from many hundreds of years ago ,how is it possible that women would throw themselves on their dead husbands funeral pyre to escape having to live in a society who would treat them as their dregs of society ?
Ans.

01. The prophesy is general and is not limited by time or racial or ethnic issues at all.

This is not the way in which Quran speaks.

The struggle between forces of truth and those of falsehood is what is always happening in the world since the dawn of human civlization and it shall continue till the end of time.

02. When Muslims ruled India, they gave "religious freedom" to Hindus and others living in India.

They decided their affairs according to their scriptures and customs and Muslim kings and rulers did not interfere into their affairs.

I wish they would have stopped atrocities on Low Caste people and stopped this practice of "burning widows".

But I do not know what were the circumstances at those times and I would not find fault with those rulers.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#43957 Dec 3, 2013
IS THIS "MODERATE INDONESIA?"

12/02/2013 09:20

INDONESIA - ISLAM

North Sumatra: Hundreds of Islamists attack Protestant community during prayer service
by Mathias Hariyadi

A group of FPI members stopped the Sunday services of the Hkbp in Binjai . Fundamentalists threaten Christians, who are forced to leave under police escort. Attack sparked by false accusations of promoting religious activities in a building without permission. A case pending for more than five years.

Jakarta (AsiaNews)- A group of extremists belonging to the Islamic Defenders Front attacked and disrupted the Sunday services of the Tandemn Huria Kristen Batak Protestant ( Hkbp ) community in the city of Binjai , the Indonesian province of North Sumatra . hundreds of faithful of the local Christian community had to abandon their church - official and recognized - and close traditional weekend services early because of the threats made by the fundamentalists. The faithful returned to their homes, escorted by police in riot gear.

Eyewitnesses reported that the assault yesterday morning against the Protestant Christian community was led by hundreds of FPI members, supported by some local Islamist groups . The assailants shouted loudly that the "church" is not legal , the authorities in the area, according to the extremists , have not take any decision on the legitimacy of any " activities of worship " in the building

We need to ban all Indonesians from entering from Australia and to stop them spreading their hate
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#43960 Dec 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
When the shoe is your own feet, then you realise how much pain it causes.
What you do to others, you never realise the pain, do you?
Yes we know from 911 how much pain Muslims can cause and how barbaric they can be by not caring about innocent women and children. Muslims have to be treated the same way they treat others.

The biggest weakness the West has is that it treats Muslims far too humanly.
We need to be much more ruthless with these barbarians because cockroaches deserve no sympathy.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43961 Dec 3, 2013
Serpent wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes we know from 911 how much pain Muslims can cause and how barbaric they can be by not caring about innocent women and children. Muslims have to be treated the same way they treat others.
The biggest weakness the West has is that it treats Muslims far too humanly.
We need to be much more ruthless with these barbarians because cockroaches deserve no sympathy.
First of all, do you know who was behind 9/11?

The case is yet to be fully investigated. The whole crime and people behind it were not revealed.

NIST and other investigating agencies botched up the investigation. The real cause of spectacular collapse of WTC towers was not due to that single strike from jetliners.

As to rest of your post, it is normal vitriol which Islam and Muslim haters like you post routinely, I will ignore all that.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43962 Dec 3, 2013
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Boston Strong’: Marching in Lockstep with the Police State

By John W. Whitehead (Contd.)

Don’t look the other way and tell me that you signed a petition or voted for John Kerry or whatever. The fact is that whatever dignified private opinions you and I may hold, we did not do enough to stop it, and our constitutional rights are now deemed to be partial or provisional rather than absolute, do not necessarily apply to everyone, and can be revoked by the government at any time.

Particularly disheartening is the fact that Americans, consumed with the need for vengeance, seem even less concerned about protecting the rights of others, especially if those “others” happen to be of a different skin color or nationality. The public response to the manhunt, capture and subsequent treatment of brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is merely the latest example of America’s xenophobic mindset, which was also a driving force behind the roundup and detention of hundreds of Arab, South Asian and Muslim men following 9/11, internment camps that housed more than 18,000 people of Japanese ancestry during World War II, and the arrest and deportation of thousands of “radical” noncitizens during America’s first Red Scare.

Moreover, there has been little outcry over the Obama administration’s decision to deny 19-year-old U.S. citizen Dzhokhar Tsarnaev his due process rights and treat him as an enemy combatant, first off by interrogating him without reading him his Miranda rights (“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law...”).

Presently, under the public safety exception to the Miranda rule, if law enforcement agents believe a suspect has information that might reduce a substantial threat, they can wait to give the Miranda warning. For years now, however, the Obama administration has been lobbying to see this exception extended to all cases involving so-called terror suspects, including American citizens. Tsarnaev’s case may prove to be the game-changer. Yet as journalist Emily Bazelon points out for Slate:“Why should I care that no one’s reading Dzhokhar Tsarnaev his Miranda rights? When the law gets bent out of shape for him, it’s easier to bend out of shape for the rest of us.”

The U.S. Supreme Court rightly recognized in its 1966 ruling in Miranda v. Arizona that police officers must advise a suspect of his/her civil rights once the suspect has been taken into custody, because the police can and often do take advantage of the fact that most Americans don’t know their rights. There have been few exceptions to the Miranda rule over the last 40 years or so, and with good reason. However, if the Obama administration is allowed to scale back the Miranda rule, especially as it applies to U.S. citizens, it would be yet another dangerous expansion of government power at the expense of citizens’ civil rights.
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#43963 Dec 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all, do you know who was behind 9/11?
The case is yet to be fully investigated. The whole crime and people behind it were not revealed.
NIST and other investigating agencies botched up the investigation. The real cause of spectacular collapse of WTC towers was not due to that single strike from jetliners.
As to rest of your post, it is normal vitriol which Islam and Muslim haters like you post routinely, I will ignore all that.
Yes we know 911 was carried out by those Muslims who were mostly from S Arabia.
There is no doubt about that what so ever. I also know most Muslims were happy and dancing around with glee when they saw the planes hit the towers and saw all the people falling to their death.

I also know that most Muslims keep a copy of the falling of the twin towers on their computers that they use to enjoy themselves with from time to time.

How many copies of 911 do you have downloaded on your computer???

I know you like to believe in all those conspiracy theories about 911, but they are only silly conspiracy theories that ignorant people like you enjoy wallowing in.

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