Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46759 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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“Sunny my dream girl”

Since: Nov 13

colombo sri lanka

#43679 Nov 11, 2013
Methuselah wrote:
<quoted text>Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
Ha Ha Ha
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#43680 Nov 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
If Islam had a brilliant past, that shows that it had all the qualities that take people to top of the world.
The present condition of Muslims is mainly because they have stopped following Islam.
And the reason of West' rise to power is that they have stopped following their religion!!
That is difference between Islam and other religions!!
PS:
We are "thousands" of years behind Western countries?
Have you forgotten that till about 17th Century there was hardly any difference between Muslim world and Western world, how come it became "Thousands" of years?
And how come China is closing the gap with West in mere "50 years"?
That shows your bias against Islam and Muslims.
No Islam did no have brilliant past, it was like the others. But the others like Christianity advanced but Islam was stuck in the past and now Muslims rely on Christian discovered technology to improve their lives.

Islam is quickly becoming obsolete, it is going the way of the dinosaur. You can see it in places like Egypt, Iran Syria etc etc all these people want the western way of life. They all know it is a better way of life.

Islam is becoming westernized now. In the western countries we are now bring in laws that if you work in the west you must dress in western style clothing. So even with these restrictions to Muslims, they are lining in droves so they can immigrate to western countries.

They know we are a very great culture and these Muslims want to benefit what us Christians have built.
So in 20 years or so, many of the Muslim children born in the west will be embarrassed to learn the stupid cultural practices their forefather followed, things like old men marring nine year girls, four wives etc etc, all barbaric practices. They will be ashamed and many will convert to Christianity.

Yes, Islam is going the way of the dinosaur. Thank goodness for that. Maybe this proves there is a god that has a good long term plan..eh. Islam will soon only exist in small isolated countries like Saudi A.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43681 Nov 11, 2013
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

How the West Missed a Chance to Make Peace With Iran

Peter Oborne shows how the West turned down a precious opportunity to resolve the Iranian nuclear crisis eight years ago, and argues that it is western rather than Iranian intransigence that prevents a deal being struck today.

By Peter Oborne
(Contd.)

One witness puts the problem like this:“There was not the faintest chance that President George W Bush’s Republican advisers and Israeli allies would allow him to look benignly on such a deal. On the contrary, if the Europeans were to defy American wishes, they would be letting themselves in for a transatlantic row to end all rows.”&#8232;So when they came back to the negotiating table one hour later they were studiously non-committal. They spoke highly of the Iranian offer, but asked for time so that their governments could consider it.

And when Sir John Sawers took the Iranian offer back to London it was very quickly forgotten. According to Foreign Office sources, Tony Blair intervened to make sure that it went no further. Later Sir John explained to Seyed Hossein Mousavian, spokesman of the Iranian nuclear negotiation team, why the offer could not be taken up.“Washington would never tolerate the operation of even one centrifuge in Iran,” he told Mr Mousavian, according to the latter’s memoirs.

So the peace proposal from the Iranian negotiators was killed stone dead even though the European negotiating team realised that it was both very well judged and in full conformity with international law.“This was an extraordinary sleight of hand by the EU,” says one European diplomat who was close to the negotiations.

The European diplomats came back with their counter-proposal to Iran for on 5 August 2005. The terms were humiliating. They required Iran to make “a binding commitment not to pursue fuel cycle activities other than the construction and operation of light-water power and research reactors”. In other words, all enrichment and related activities on Iranian soil had to cease for good.

This meant that the UK, France and Germany had broken a commitment they had made at the outset of negotiations to recognise Iran’s legal right under the Non-Proliferation Treaty to the peaceful use of nuclear energy, subject always to “objective guarantees”.

Yet more than once during these negotiations, Iran made proposals to the EU3 offering “objective guarantees” that its nuclear programme would be peaceful - including the continuous on-site presence at the conversion and enrichment facilities of inspectors from the IAEA, the international nuclear watchdog. Nevertheless, the EU3 did not accept the plan as a basis for negotiation, simply leaving it to wither on the vine.

In a speech to the United Nations on 17 September 2005, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made Iran’s most remarkable offer of all. He suggested that Iran’s enrichment programme be managed by an international consortium, with Iran agreeing shared ownership with other countries. Once again, this offer was rejected out of hand by the EU and the United States.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43682 Nov 11, 2013
This EU intransigence meant that Iran was being invidiously singled out as the only party to the NPT that was forbidden to have uranium enrichment on its own soil.

It was no surprise therefore that Iran rejected these proposals out of hand. As a result the country restarted its nuclear programme — with the consequences we are living with today. An historic opportunity was lost for Europe to come to a comprehensive settlement with Iran on a wide range of issues.

It is reasonable to conclude that the EU states were not interested in devising “objective guarantees that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively for peaceful purposes”. So what is going on? Why all the anger, the endless barrage of rhetoric and the ruthless drive to isolate Iran, which has led to the sanctions that are reportedly driving millions of Iranians to the brink of poverty and despair?

The answer is that a different agenda is at work, which we believe has little or nothing to do with Iran’s non-existent nuclear weapons. The US and its European clients are driven by a different compulsion: the humiliation and eventual destruction of Iran’s Islamic regime.

Confrontation with Iran is unnecessary.

As the settlement proposed by the Iranians at the Quai d’Orsay suggests, Iran is prepared to deal with the West. It is the West that has repeatedly refused to accept the peace entreaties of the Iranian and refused to deal with Iran on reasonable terms.

Some senior figures have recognised this. In a most encouraging interview with the Financial Times in June 2009, Senator John Kerry, then Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, described the inflexibility on Iran by the former Bush administration as “bombastic diplomacy” that had “wasted energy” and “hardened the lines”.

Under the NPT, Iran had “a right to peaceful nuclear power and to enrichment in that purpose”, he said. If these views of John Kerry in 2009 were to become the US policy propounded by Secretary of State Kerry in 2013, the prospects for a settlement with Iran on the nuclear issue would be excellent.

It is bitterly ironic that any deal struck by the United States with Iran along the lines Mr Kerry suggested in 2009 would acknowledge Iran’s right to peaceful nuclear power — and therefore be nearly identical to the one offered by Iran negotiators at the Quai d’Orsay in 2005, and contemptuously turned down by the West.

Note:

Peter Oborne and David Morrison’s book, A Dangerous Delusion: Why the West is Wrong about Nuclear Iran, has just been published by Elliott & Thompson.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43683 Nov 11, 2013
Methuselah wrote:
<quoted text>Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
Change the definition of Terrorism and Terrorist in the dictionaries. No act and no crime done by any one will be called Terrorism unless the perpetrators be some one who has a Muslim sounding name.!!

You bigots.
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#43684 Nov 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Change the definition of Terrorism and Terrorist in the dictionaries. No act and no crime done by any one will be called Terrorism unless the perpetrators be some one who has a Muslim sounding name.!!
You bigots.
No, not bigots, in this world you get what you earn.

Muslims have earned the reputation that they now have. They only have themselves to blame.
Muslims will now wear this reputation, probably forever.. They deserve it!!

The bigots, are the Muslims themselves!!
TruthHurts2013

Melbourne, Australia

#43685 Nov 11, 2013
Jesus is the way light no one else. The true son of GOD Almighty and he will come to earth to judge the living and the dead. AMEN. TruthHurts2013.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43690 Nov 11, 2013
TruthHurts2013 wrote:
Jesus is the way light no one else. The true son of GOD Almighty and he will come to earth to judge the living and the dead. AMEN. TruthHurts2013.
He was "supposed" to come and visit earth on 21 May 2013, do you KNOW any other "fixed" date?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43691 Nov 11, 2013
Serpent wrote:
<quoted text>
No, not bigots, in this world you get what you earn.
Muslims have earned the reputation that they now have. They only have themselves to blame.
Muslims will now wear this reputation, probably forever.. They deserve it!!
The bigots, are the Muslims themselves!!
Some we have earned and some Bigots like you have pasted on us. That is why we see Terror and acts of Terrorism taking place and increasing in ALL parts of the world, and you just pointing fingers at Muslims.

That is what is quality of a Bigot.
shandy

Trivandrum, India

#43692 Nov 11, 2013
I don't know why you people are so worried about terrorism. There are much more that you need to be worried about like pedophiles, rapist, serial killers,psycho killers and muggers. who don't even lives in middle east or in the east. Worry about them and Google terrorists you will find some terrorists organization who are also from other religions.
shandy

Trivandrum, India

#43693 Nov 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
He was "supposed" to come and visit earth on 21 May 2013, do you KNOW any other "fixed" date?
Please don't insult jesus, he is one of our prophet too..

“Sunny my dream girl”

Since: Nov 13

colombo sri lanka

#43694 Nov 11, 2013
Buddha is the real prophet and Buddhism is the most peaceful religion in the world, all christians and muslims should convert to Buddhism, so that there will be no terrorism.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43697 Nov 12, 2013
shandy wrote:
<quoted text>
Please don't insult jesus, he is one of our prophet too..
It was no Muslim who "predicted" this date. It was a Christian and Christians have been repeatedly "Insulting" jesus by fixing more than 500 dates in past 2000 years>

It is Christians who are insulting Jesus by displaying his Semi naked Body hung on a cross every where they can find a place.

It is Christians who are insulting jesus by making cartoons and caricatures and films about his life and cracking countless jokes about him.

I like you cheek advising us not to insult Jesus!!

If you want to know how to RESPECT Jesus, look at Muslims. We regard him as one on the mighty messenger of God and in our vernacular we do not take his name unless we add ALAIHI AL SALAM (Peace be on him), the same we do for our prophet.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43698 Nov 12, 2013
Sinhala Leone wrote:
Buddha is the real prophet and Buddhism is the most peaceful religion in the world, all christians and muslims should convert to Buddhism, so that there will be no terrorism.
Did you not see what Buddhists are doing in Maynamar?

And what atrocities Japan a Budhist nation did to world in WW-2?

Apparently you people have a very short and selective memory. Do you?
Jake

Coorparoo, Australia

#43700 Nov 12, 2013
erancy1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Great to see that you have used references to your answer. However,
Not one word of either of the comparisons are fact. They are both hearsay. That is a fact. The argument then is, which story do you believe most!
Beleave the one that causes the least atrocities on earth and who`s followers cause the lease hasseles
Jake

Coorparoo, Australia

#43701 Nov 12, 2013
Why do muslims go around preching the perals of minor sins like dressing scantly or enjoying a drink but commit far greater sins themselves by assaulting or killing it its prophets name.?

Why do muslim try to convince us to turn from our Christian path only to follow them into the pits of hell on the cruel and sadistic Islamic path ?
Jake

Coorparoo, Australia

#43702 Nov 12, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you not see what Buddhists are doing in Maynamar?
And what atrocities Japan a Budhist nation did to world in WW-2?
Apparently you people have a very short and selective memory. Do you?
Does the buddist nation of Japan still commit those atrocities ? dose all the nations of islam still commit its atrocities ?
Jake

Coorparoo, Australia

#43703 Nov 12, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
It was no Muslim who "predicted" this date. It was a Christian and Christians have been repeatedly "Insulting" jesus by fixing more than 500 dates in past 2000 years>
It is Christians who are insulting Jesus by displaying his Semi naked Body hung on a cross every where they can find a place.
It is Christians who are insulting jesus by making cartoons and caricatures and films about his life and cracking countless jokes about him.
I like you cheek advising us not to insult Jesus!!
If you want to know how to RESPECT Jesus, look at Muslims. We regard him as one on the mighty messenger of God and in our vernacular we do not take his name unless we add ALAIHI AL SALAM (Peace be on him), the same we do for our prophet.
Jesus by his own admission was the ultimate and final messenger of god yet you muslims call him a lier by inventing a sadistic , pedophilic prophet whos message is to over turn all that Jesus said and wants true Christians to turn away from Jesus to him.
MUQ taqiyya

Sunnybank, Australia

#43704 Nov 12, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
It was no Muslim who "predicted" this date. It was a Christian and Christians have been repeatedly "Insulting" jesus by fixing more than 500 dates in past 2000 years>
It is Christians who are insulting Jesus by displaying his Semi naked Body hung on a cross every where they can find a place.
It is Christians who are insulting jesus by making cartoons and caricatures and films about his life and cracking countless jokes about him.
I like you cheek advising us not to insult Jesus!!
If you want to know how to RESPECT Jesus, look at Muslims. We regard him as one on the mighty messenger of God and in our vernacular we do not take his name unless we add ALAIHI
AL SALAM (Peace be on him), the same we do for our prophet.
More MUQ taqiyya .
He cant answer the hard previous questions about Allah being a pagan moon & star group of deities (synthetic pagan pluraism) based on Baal.
Or the satanic verses where large chunks of the Quran were doctored to hide the paganism.
Or muhammad according to islamic script
becomimg a human idol.
Or hubal being buried in the kaaba.
Or MUQ worshipping hubal & the black stone as gods in their own right as well.
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So MUQ rabbits on about Jesus knowing full well that Islam mocks & disparages jesus (Sura
4:153-158). And he knows we know that so it then deflects answering the hard questions...
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Taqiyya by means of pretense, dissimulation, or
concealment, is a special type of LYING which is taught and used by Muslims. "Taqiyya" (or
taqiyyah) is related to the terms "taqwa'" and "taqi'" - all have the root meaning of "guarding" or "hiding" something, in this case, the real nature of the Islamic faith.

MUQ taqiyya fail - again. Poor skills.
Will repost the original true facts about islam and let's see how MUQ tries to evade the truth this time.

Will it be taqiyya (lies & deflection)?
Or will it be shirk (false claims of god etc)?
Or maybe it will be kitman (lying by omission)?
MUQ BAAL WORSHIPPER

Sunnybank, Australia

#43705 Nov 12, 2013
MUQs God revealed wrote:
Allah,(along with Manat, Lat & Al-Uzza) was a pagan moon god of the qareeshi - invented in 180 AD according to administrators who governed the area.
Allah was worshipped via a large stone red idol called Hubal. This idol was purchased second hand from Moab and was an old defiled idol used to worship BAAL
(also known as Sin in summerian areas).
Allah & Hubal were invented in conjuction.
Hubal was the 'messenger of Allah' or BAAL.

The monerarisation of Allah or BAAL.
If tribute was paid, Hubal provided 'divinity answers via dials on his chest to a question asked (where is my lost camel etc).
The clan that adopted Muhammad operated
Hubal as well as Allah's daughters idols of Manat, Lat & Al-Uzza which were spread around the newly established trading post of Mecca.(the hajj
does a circuit of these idols under a pretext of a copied OT rituals). Human sacrifice was made to
Allah via Al-Uzza, confirmed by archeological findings in 2012. This is BAAL worship.
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Muhammad as a failed Jewish preacher (outcast after being caught performing pagan BAAL or devil god worship) was under instructions from Abu Bakr (the father of the Islamic apostasy) to replace Hubal the stone idol messenger with
himself as the human idol messenger.
Then Abu Bakr & Muhammad could say & do what they wanted , and 'Allah' had said so.
The qareeshi could then directed by Muhammad
as the 'voice' of their 'Allah" or BAAL.
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Let's examine the moment when Muhammad 'became the voice of Allah (BAAL) replacing yhe stone idol Hubal.
This from islams own account & 'official history.

The scene is a description of the storming of
Mecca with little resistance, but...
"The kindly feeling of Mohammed towards his paternal tribe seems to have been ill-understood
and little approved of by his followers. A terrible slaughter was made of those whose self-confidence or distrust had led them to neglect the
terms of safety propounded by the Prophet; Thrice the wretched victims implored clemency of
Mohammed against his merciless general, and thrice the message of mercy was delivered to the warrior, but accompanied by a command from the messengers—in each case, the noblest of thearm)-—to smite and spare not.
At length an angry message by the mouth of Ali stayed the carnage. The rebuked Saad Ben Ibadah approached his superior " We have made tbee to conquer with a manifest victory,"
"Then, Ali standing on his right hand, and
Alabbas on his left, and Amru and Othman before him, Mohammed proclaimed his name and
descent, and his divinely-bestowed title, the
discomfited Meccans, reproaching them with their rejection of him and his law. Then he rode, amidst the repentant tears of the citizens and the lamentations of their women, to the holy temple, and after performing his devotions there, he ordered all the idols to be thrown down from the top of the temple, except Hubal, the largest, which was secured by lead on the top of the temple. Ali ascended the roof, and the Hubal was thrown down headlong, and falling on its
front, like the idol Dajron, broke " its face, and the palms of its hands."
****^*****
"The trunk of the fallen idol was built over on all
sides, and long after then formed a step in the temple as the 'lord of the ka'aba" where it remains today.
*****^****
The 'lord of the Kaaba' that MUQ worships is Hubal. A broken second hand stone pagan moon god idol hidden in a step. Of BAAL.
Muslims worship and pray to BAAL.
MUQ worships Hubal - he has admitted it on thus thread. Hubal is a idol of BAAL - Allah being just one of 99 names for BAAL. BAAL is the anti god and enemy of god, sent to deceive and lie.
MUQ worships the antichrist / a pagan diety group of gods based on darkness & evil.

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