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Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43667 Nov 10, 2013
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How the West Missed a Chance to Make Peace With Iran

Peter Oborne shows how the West turned down a precious opportunity to resolve the Iranian nuclear crisis eight years ago, and argues that it is western rather than Iranian intransigence that prevents a deal being struck today.

By Peter Oborne

April 24, 2013 "Information Clearing House" -"The Telegraph" - It was the early spring of 2005 and a team of British, French and German diplomats were arriving at the magnificent French foreign ministry at the Quai d’Orsay on the left bank of the Seine.

But the splendour of the Second Empire building did not match their mood. The negotiating team, which included the high-flying John Sawers (now Sir John, head of the British Secret Intelligence Service), had been fruitlessly searching for a solution to the Iranian nuclear stand-off for more than a year.

There seemed to be no solution. The European negotiators, under massive pressure from the United States, were adamant that Iran must give up its uranium enrichment programme.

For the Iranians these demands seemed an intolerable humiliation for a sovereign state, and a classic manifestation of the western imperialism that had humiliated their ancient country for centuries.

The meeting had been under way for approximately 20 minutes, with no progress, when suddenly the face of the leader of the Iranian negotiating team, Javad Zarif, was wreathed in smiles.

“We have a proposal to show you,” he said.“It is an entirely unofficial idea. It has not been discussed or approved by our masters in Tehran. But perhaps it might be something we can talk about.”

After these preliminary words, the Iranians delivered a PowerPoint presentation which amazed the European negotiating team. It was the basis of a deal and one, moreover, that offered genuine benefits for both sides, though both sides would have to make compromises as well.

Briefly, in the gilded 19th-century Parisian salon, a resolution of the nuclear stand-off between Iran and the west felt entirely possible.

The Iranians explained that they were not prepared to abandon their plans to develop centrifuge enrichment technology on Iranian soil. But in return for carrying on with their enrichment programme they proposed unprecedented measures to guarantee that they would never divert peaceful nuclear technology for military use.

They offered a solemn pledge that Iran would remain bound by the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT)— which obliges member states to subject their nuclear facilities to external inspection — for as long as it existed.

They said that Iran’s religious leaders would repudiate nuclear weapons.
They put on the negotiating table a series of voluntary restrictions on the size and output of the enrichment programme.

And they offered inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Authority improved oversight of all nuclear activities in Iran.

The European diplomats allowed not a trace of emotion to show on their faces. But one official recalls thinking that “what we had just heard was a most interesting offer. We realised that what we had just heard was a valid and coherent proposal that was in full conformity with relevant international treaty provisions.”

This diplomat adds today that “trust was not an issue, because over the preceding 18 months we had got to know our Iranian counterparts and had acquired confidence in the Iranians’ ability to honour their commitments”.

When the Iranians had finished their presentation, the Europeans asked for a break so that they could discuss the proposal among themselves. Once on their own they agreed that there was no way that the Iranian offer would be acceptable to their political masters in Europe.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43668 Nov 10, 2013
Serpent wrote:
As I have told you before, your always living in the past, your always looking at what Muslims did thousands of years ago. The past is the past. Forget the past!!

Almost all the problems eastern mankind is facing today is because they keep relating to what happened in the past.

Why is it that you always have to look to your religion to decide what is right and what is best for mankind?
Why can't you just rely on your own sense of decency and common sense to decide on what is best for mankind, are you that stupid that you can't make decisions for yourself?

You Muslims are thousands of years behind the western world, you would think by now you would realize that your doing something wrong. Your ignorance is just incomprehensible!!
Ans.

If you do not know your past, you have no future!

If Islam had a brilliant past, that shows that it had all the qualities that take people to top of the world.

The present condition of Muslims is mainly because they have stopped following Islam.

And the reason of West' rise to power is that they have stopped following their religion!!

That is difference between Islam and other religions!!

PS:

We are "thousands" of years behind Western countries?

Have you forgotten that till about 17th Century there was hardly any difference between Muslim world and Western world, how come it became "Thousands" of years?

And how come China is closing the gap with West in mere "50 years"?

That shows your bias against Islam and Muslims.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43669 Nov 10, 2013
NT wrote:
01. Why did god need Muhammad to conquer Makkah and Kaaba ,wouldn't god be all powerful enough ?

02. What is the meaning of peace and tranquility within Islam ?
Ans.

01. Only God can answer this question!

If God was to do every thing Himself, what was the need for humans?

02. The peace in Islam is the mental peace which people get when they align with everything else in nature.

By worshipping only One True God and following His guidelines, create peace in individual' mind and creates peace on earth, because every one gets his or her rights.
perfecto djaya

Jakarta, Indonesia

#43670 Nov 10, 2013
perfecto djaya wrote:
Remembrance EVIDENCE IS THE WORD OF GOD
Three stages of the baby in the womb
These phases refer to the different stages of the development of a baby . In summary , the characteristics of developmental stages of babies in the womb is as follows :
- Pre - embryonic stage
In the first phase , the zygote grows larger through cell division , and cell segumpalan formed which then immerse themselves in the uterine wall . As the growth of the zygote is growing , any constituent cells arrange themselves to form three layers .
- Embryonic stage
The second phase lasts for five and a half weeks . At this time the baby is referred to as " embryo " . At this stage , the organs and systems of the body start to appear from the cell layers .
- Phase fetus
Starting from this stage onwards , the baby is called a " fetus " . This phase began in the eighth month of pregnancy and lasted until the birth . The distinctive characteristic of this stage is that the fetus looks like a human being , with its face, hands and legs . Although initially has a length of 3 cm , all organs had been seen . This stage lasts for approximately 30 weeks , and development continues until the week of the birth .
Information on developments taking place in the mother's womb , a new series of observations obtained after using modern equipment . However , as a number of other scientific facts , the information is delivered in the verses of the Qur'an in a miraculous way . The fact that information is so detailed and accurately given in the Qur'an at a time when people had scarce information on medical matters is clear evidence that the Qur'an is not the word of man, but the Word of God .
Dalam Al Qur'an dipaparkan bahwa manusia diciptakan melalui tiga tahapan dalam rahim ibunya.

"... Dia menjadikan kamu dalam perut ibumu kejadian demi kejadian dalam tiga kegelapan. Yang (berbuat) demikian itu adalah Allah, Tuhan kamu, Tuhan yang mempunyai kerajaan. Tidak ada Tuhan (yang berhak disembah) selain Dia; maka bagaimana kamu dapat dipalingkan?" (Al Qur'an, 39:6)

Sebagaimana yang akan dipahami, dalam ayat ini ditunjukkan bahwa seorang manusia diciptakan dalam tubuh ibunya dalam tiga tahapan yang berbeda. Sungguh, biologi modern telah mengungkap bahwa pembentukan embrio pada bayi terjadi dalam tiga tempat yang berbeda dalam rahim ibu. Sekarang, di semua buku pelajaran embriologi yang dipakai di berbagai fakultas kedokteran, hal ini dijadikan sebagai pengetahuan dasar. Misalnya, dalam buku Basic Human Embryology, sebuah buku referensi utama dalam bidang embriologi, fakta ini diuraikan sebagai berikut:

"Kehidupan dalam rahim memiliki tiga tahapan: pre-embrionik; dua setengah minggu pertama, embrionik; sampai akhir minggu ke delapan, dan janin; dari minggu ke delapan sampai kelahiran." (Williams P., Basic Human Embryology, 3. edition, 1984, s. 64.)
perfecto djaya

Jakarta, Indonesia

#43671 Nov 10, 2013
Described in the Qur'an that man was created through three stages in the womb .

" ... He made ​​you in your mother's belly three events have in the darkness . Thing ( to do ) That is Allah , your Lord , the Lord who has the kingdom . There is no God ( worthy of worship ) but He : then how can ye deluded ? " (Qur'an, 39:6 )

As will be understood , in this verse is shown that a human being is created in the mother's womb in three distinct stages . Indeed , modern biology has revealed that the baby 's embryological development takes place in three different places in the mother's womb . Now , in all the embryology textbooks studied in faculties of medicine , it is used as a knowledge base . For example , in Basic Human Embryology , a fundamental reference text in the field of embryology , this fact is stated as follows :

" The life in the uterus has three stages : pre - embryonic ; first two and a half weeks , embryonic ; until the end of the eight week, and fetal ; than eight weeks until birth . " ( P. Williams , Basic Human Embryology , 3 . Edition , 1984 , s . 64 .)
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43672 Nov 10, 2013
perfecto djaya wrote:
Described in the Qur'an that man was created through three stages in the womb .
" ... He made ​​you in your mother's belly three events have in the darkness . Thing ( to do ) That is Allah , your Lord , the Lord who has the kingdom . There is no God ( worthy of worship ) but He : then how can ye deluded ? " (Qur'an, 39:6 )
As will be understood , in this verse is shown that a human being is created in the mother's womb in three distinct stages . Indeed , modern biology has revealed that the baby 's embryological development takes place in three different places in the mother's womb . Now , in all the embryology textbooks studied in faculties of medicine , it is used as a knowledge base . For example , in Basic Human Embryology , a fundamental reference text in the field of embryology , this fact is stated as follows :
" The life in the uterus has three stages : pre - embryonic ; first two and a half weeks , embryonic ; until the end of the eight week, and fetal ; than eight weeks until birth . " ( P. Williams , Basic Human Embryology , 3 . Edition , 1984 , s . 64 .)
Please do not Jump to these conclusions bringing Quran into discussion.

What Quran meant by "three level of darkness" is not what is meant by three levels of growth of human embryo in the mother's womb.

Do not be "overzealous" in these matters.

What Quran did comment is the different stages of embryo growth as mentioned in Chapter 23 V 11-14.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#43673 Nov 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Only God can answer this question!
If God was to do every thing Himself, what was the need for humans?
02. The peace in Islam is the mental peace which people get when they align with everything else in nature.
By worshipping only One True God and following His guidelines, create peace in individual' mind and creates peace on earth, because every one gets his or her rights.
Why would god need to have anybody conquered MUQ ?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43674 Nov 11, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would god need to have anybody conquered MUQ ?
I am NOT a spokesperson for God!!
Sizzler

Sydney, Australia

#43675 Nov 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I am NOT a spokesperson for God!!
The black pig is definitively greedier
than the white pig. Its like he has a chip on his shoulder.
shandy

Trivandrum, India

#43676 Nov 11, 2013
Guys don't have hatred against Muslims, they are also very nice people. Because of some people's foolishness we can't hate other people.. Islam is one of the beautiful religion, No religion in the world teaches bad things they all teach how human we have to be. Let it be any religion, if anyone goes too religious and didn't learn about the particular religion properly they will go a mad religious person. A real Muslim will never be a terrorist and a terrorist will never be a real muslim.
Methuselah

Sydney, Australia

#43677 Nov 11, 2013
shandy wrote:
Guys don't have hatred against Muslims, they are also very nice people. Because of some people's foolishness we can't hate other people.. Islam is one of the beautiful religion, No religion in the world teaches bad things they all teach how human we have to be. Let it be any religion, if anyone goes too religious and didn't learn about the particular religion properly they will go a mad religious person. A real Muslim will never be a terrorist and a terrorist will never be a real muslim.
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
shandy

Trivandrum, India

#43678 Nov 11, 2013
Methuselah wrote:
<quoted text>Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
Thats what I clearly mentioned in my last comment my friend. But happy to hear from you that not all Muslims are terrorists.. But you should know one more thing, not only Muslims are terrorists. when u go to other parts of the world you may find some of other religions are doing terrorism too.. May you learn the real meaning of terrorism soon.

“Sunny my dream girl”

Since: Nov 13

colombo sri lanka

#43679 Nov 11, 2013
Methuselah wrote:
<quoted text>Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
Ha Ha Ha
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#43680 Nov 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
If Islam had a brilliant past, that shows that it had all the qualities that take people to top of the world.
The present condition of Muslims is mainly because they have stopped following Islam.
And the reason of West' rise to power is that they have stopped following their religion!!
That is difference between Islam and other religions!!
PS:
We are "thousands" of years behind Western countries?
Have you forgotten that till about 17th Century there was hardly any difference between Muslim world and Western world, how come it became "Thousands" of years?
And how come China is closing the gap with West in mere "50 years"?
That shows your bias against Islam and Muslims.
No Islam did no have brilliant past, it was like the others. But the others like Christianity advanced but Islam was stuck in the past and now Muslims rely on Christian discovered technology to improve their lives.

Islam is quickly becoming obsolete, it is going the way of the dinosaur. You can see it in places like Egypt, Iran Syria etc etc all these people want the western way of life. They all know it is a better way of life.

Islam is becoming westernized now. In the western countries we are now bring in laws that if you work in the west you must dress in western style clothing. So even with these restrictions to Muslims, they are lining in droves so they can immigrate to western countries.

They know we are a very great culture and these Muslims want to benefit what us Christians have built.
So in 20 years or so, many of the Muslim children born in the west will be embarrassed to learn the stupid cultural practices their forefather followed, things like old men marring nine year girls, four wives etc etc, all barbaric practices. They will be ashamed and many will convert to Christianity.

Yes, Islam is going the way of the dinosaur. Thank goodness for that. Maybe this proves there is a god that has a good long term plan..eh. Islam will soon only exist in small isolated countries like Saudi A.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43681 Nov 11, 2013
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How the West Missed a Chance to Make Peace With Iran

Peter Oborne shows how the West turned down a precious opportunity to resolve the Iranian nuclear crisis eight years ago, and argues that it is western rather than Iranian intransigence that prevents a deal being struck today.

By Peter Oborne
(Contd.)

One witness puts the problem like this:“There was not the faintest chance that President George W Bush’s Republican advisers and Israeli allies would allow him to look benignly on such a deal. On the contrary, if the Europeans were to defy American wishes, they would be letting themselves in for a transatlantic row to end all rows.”&#8232;So when they came back to the negotiating table one hour later they were studiously non-committal. They spoke highly of the Iranian offer, but asked for time so that their governments could consider it.

And when Sir John Sawers took the Iranian offer back to London it was very quickly forgotten. According to Foreign Office sources, Tony Blair intervened to make sure that it went no further. Later Sir John explained to Seyed Hossein Mousavian, spokesman of the Iranian nuclear negotiation team, why the offer could not be taken up.“Washington would never tolerate the operation of even one centrifuge in Iran,” he told Mr Mousavian, according to the latter’s memoirs.

So the peace proposal from the Iranian negotiators was killed stone dead even though the European negotiating team realised that it was both very well judged and in full conformity with international law.“This was an extraordinary sleight of hand by the EU,” says one European diplomat who was close to the negotiations.

The European diplomats came back with their counter-proposal to Iran for on 5 August 2005. The terms were humiliating. They required Iran to make “a binding commitment not to pursue fuel cycle activities other than the construction and operation of light-water power and research reactors”. In other words, all enrichment and related activities on Iranian soil had to cease for good.

This meant that the UK, France and Germany had broken a commitment they had made at the outset of negotiations to recognise Iran’s legal right under the Non-Proliferation Treaty to the peaceful use of nuclear energy, subject always to “objective guarantees”.

Yet more than once during these negotiations, Iran made proposals to the EU3 offering “objective guarantees” that its nuclear programme would be peaceful - including the continuous on-site presence at the conversion and enrichment facilities of inspectors from the IAEA, the international nuclear watchdog. Nevertheless, the EU3 did not accept the plan as a basis for negotiation, simply leaving it to wither on the vine.

In a speech to the United Nations on 17 September 2005, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made Iran’s most remarkable offer of all. He suggested that Iran’s enrichment programme be managed by an international consortium, with Iran agreeing shared ownership with other countries. Once again, this offer was rejected out of hand by the EU and the United States.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43682 Nov 11, 2013
This EU intransigence meant that Iran was being invidiously singled out as the only party to the NPT that was forbidden to have uranium enrichment on its own soil.

It was no surprise therefore that Iran rejected these proposals out of hand. As a result the country restarted its nuclear programme — with the consequences we are living with today. An historic opportunity was lost for Europe to come to a comprehensive settlement with Iran on a wide range of issues.

It is reasonable to conclude that the EU states were not interested in devising “objective guarantees that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively for peaceful purposes”. So what is going on? Why all the anger, the endless barrage of rhetoric and the ruthless drive to isolate Iran, which has led to the sanctions that are reportedly driving millions of Iranians to the brink of poverty and despair?

The answer is that a different agenda is at work, which we believe has little or nothing to do with Iran’s non-existent nuclear weapons. The US and its European clients are driven by a different compulsion: the humiliation and eventual destruction of Iran’s Islamic regime.

Confrontation with Iran is unnecessary.

As the settlement proposed by the Iranians at the Quai d’Orsay suggests, Iran is prepared to deal with the West. It is the West that has repeatedly refused to accept the peace entreaties of the Iranian and refused to deal with Iran on reasonable terms.

Some senior figures have recognised this. In a most encouraging interview with the Financial Times in June 2009, Senator John Kerry, then Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, described the inflexibility on Iran by the former Bush administration as “bombastic diplomacy” that had “wasted energy” and “hardened the lines”.

Under the NPT, Iran had “a right to peaceful nuclear power and to enrichment in that purpose”, he said. If these views of John Kerry in 2009 were to become the US policy propounded by Secretary of State Kerry in 2013, the prospects for a settlement with Iran on the nuclear issue would be excellent.

It is bitterly ironic that any deal struck by the United States with Iran along the lines Mr Kerry suggested in 2009 would acknowledge Iran’s right to peaceful nuclear power — and therefore be nearly identical to the one offered by Iran negotiators at the Quai d’Orsay in 2005, and contemptuously turned down by the West.

Note:

Peter Oborne and David Morrison’s book, A Dangerous Delusion: Why the West is Wrong about Nuclear Iran, has just been published by Elliott & Thompson.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43683 Nov 11, 2013
Methuselah wrote:
<quoted text>Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
Change the definition of Terrorism and Terrorist in the dictionaries. No act and no crime done by any one will be called Terrorism unless the perpetrators be some one who has a Muslim sounding name.!!

You bigots.
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#43684 Nov 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Change the definition of Terrorism and Terrorist in the dictionaries. No act and no crime done by any one will be called Terrorism unless the perpetrators be some one who has a Muslim sounding name.!!
You bigots.
No, not bigots, in this world you get what you earn.

Muslims have earned the reputation that they now have. They only have themselves to blame.
Muslims will now wear this reputation, probably forever.. They deserve it!!

The bigots, are the Muslims themselves!!
TruthHurts2013

Melbourne, Australia

#43685 Nov 11, 2013
Jesus is the way light no one else. The true son of GOD Almighty and he will come to earth to judge the living and the dead. AMEN. TruthHurts2013.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#43690 Nov 11, 2013
TruthHurts2013 wrote:
Jesus is the way light no one else. The true son of GOD Almighty and he will come to earth to judge the living and the dead. AMEN. TruthHurts2013.
He was "supposed" to come and visit earth on 21 May 2013, do you KNOW any other "fixed" date?

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