Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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The Godhead, or Trinity

One of the basic fundamental principles of Christianity is the concept of the Godhead, or Trinity. Christians do not believe in three Gods; they believe in a Triune God. They are taught that the LORD manifested Himself to the world in three ways. Secondly, His Word was made flesh in the form of His only begotten Son, John 1:1,14. And finally, His Holy Spirit was manifested to the world. In John 16:13-15, Jesus describes the Spirit as follows:

“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.(14) He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.(15) All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.”

Furthermore, in John 14:16-18, Jesus describes the Holy Spirit as “another Comforter:”

“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; (17) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.(18) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.”

According to the Book of Acts, this was fulfilled in the upper room on the day of Pentecost. Acts 2:1-4 explains that, on that day, the Holy Ghost descended upon the disciples and they all began to speak in tongues:

“And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.(2) And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.(3) And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.(4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”

In conclusion, the God of the Bible manifested Himself to the world in the person of Jesus Christ when His Word was made flesh, John 1:1,14. Furthermore, He manifested Himself to the world when His Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples in the upper room on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:1-4. This is a brief illustration of the Godhead, or Trinity: three persons in one God or God manifesting Himself in three persons.

In absolute contradiction to the Scriptural foundation that God is a Triune Being, according to Muhammad, Allah has a completely different makeup. The applicable Sura from the Koran, which refers to Jesus by the name of Isa, emphasizes that Allah is not three:

Sura 4.171 “O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak lies against Allah, but speak the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three.”

Therefore, with respect to the Godhead, or Trinity, there is only one conclusion that can be made: Allah is NOT the God of the Bible!
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The Godhead, or Trinity
of Christianity proves valid to the bible in how he and manifests. Allah does not. Allah is NOT the God of the Bible.
Allah did not even exist in any form or as a name until 180 AD. Allah is a confected or synthesized creation of the god Sin (Sumerian) that itself derives from Baal.(BAAL of the devil).
The documentation and timeline of the creation of Allah comes from the Yemenites then Yusuf who controlled that area from 110 AD - 540 AD.
• Allah was 'created' as a new god for religious trade in Mecca which was a newly established Yemenite trading post.
• Hubal - the earthly stone idol of Allah was
brought in from Moab as a second hand idol to
be re-purposed for the new Allah god franchise.
• Allah does not mean god but is a noun and quite different spelling & pronunciation to god.
•Allah is a composite god (ie pluralism) and was violently opposed by the Ishmaelites (Jewish aligned book of T'ubah Arabs) and the Jews as a direct pagan moon god of Sin & Baal as well as from the Sabian Venus & moon god cult.
•Ishmaelite's & Allah worhshippers were at war.
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Jesus would not of known of Allah as Allah did not exist in his time, nor did Mecca.
• The black stone came later - as 'proof of Allah' dragged in from the east desert as a rock object for the haj ritual, only later associated with being 'part of Allah's face' and later 'the right hand of Allah. The black stone was totally destroyed in 920 AD, what is there today was scientifically proven fake 90 years. The Saudis know this.
• Hubal - the stone god idol Muhammad replaced as allah's 'messenger' was toppled from the roof
of the kaaba and buried with the side step.
• All Muslims worship a fake black stone of a
pagan moon and the Hubal idol buried within an old ablutions block for the haj pagan sex ritual.
These are archeological & historical facts.
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Here is the challenge to all Muslims.

• Find one piece of evidence that Mekka existed in any form prior to it's establishment in 150 AD.

• Find one piece of evidence from Greek, Roman, Natebean, Jewish, Persian or any other
validated recorded history that 'Allah' as an Arab god with Hubal as his Idol existed before 180 AD.
You will not.

Then ask yourself. This 'Allah'(noun) created nearly 200 years after jesus and 30 years after
Mekka was founded. This diety is not of Jewish or even jewish aligned (ishmaelism) origin in its synthetic creation, but based on Baal (Sin)
controller of darkness and evil. This composite god has names of Allah, plus Manat or Lat or All-Uzzah, in fact 99 names.. A moon nature god 'born' after the universe and 'after' the sun.
This is not a universal god, of all, before and after time.
Muhammad knew all this. Allah was just an 'example god' to transition the pagan idol worshippers to a true god at some future point. Muhammad said that. But the Muslims did not
want to stop their idol or pagan worship, so they murdered Muhammad.
Now they worship fake memories of Muhammad,
in a fake book, and prostrate before fake idols to a fake god. No wonder the Muslims are so anxious & neurotic and full of fear of the truth.

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Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)

Wow!! I like this.

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I am having thoughts that the written words of Islam are a warning to future generations of what Islam is .
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*****The origination of Allah******
,,(•..•),,
Allah did not even exist in any form or as a name until 180 AD.
Allah is a confected or synthesized creation of the god Sin (Sumerian) that itself derives from Baal.(BAAL of the devil).
The documentation and timeline of the creation of Allah comes from the Yemenites, then Yusuf
who controlled that area from 110 AD - 540 AD.
• Allah was 'created' as a new god for religious trade in Mecca which was a newly established Yemenite trading post.
• Hubal - the earthly stone idol of Allah was
brought in from Moab as a second hand idol to
be re-purposed for the new Allah god franchise.
• Allah does not mean 'god' but is a noun and quite different spelling & pronunciation to god.
•Allah is a composite god (ie pluralism) and was violently opposed by the Ishmaelites (Jewish
aligned book of T'ubah Arabs) and the Jews as a direct pagan moon god of Sin & Baal as well as from the Sabian Venus & moon god cult.
•Ishmaelite's & Allah worhshippers were at war.
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***Jesus would not of known of Allah as Allah did not exist in his time, nor did Mecca***
• The black stone came later - as 'proof of Allah'
dragged in from the east desert as a rock object for the haj ritual, only later associated with being 'part of Allah's face' and later 'the right hand of Allah.
•The black stone was totally destroyed in 920
AD, what is there today was scientifically proven fake 90 years. The Saudis know this.
• Hubal - the stone god idol Muhammad replaced as allah's 'messenger' was toppled from the roof
of the kaaba and buried with the side step.
• All Muslims worship a fake black stone of a
pagan moon and the Hubal idol buried within an
old ablutions block for the haj pagan sex ritual.
These are archeological & historical facts.
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Here is the challenge to all Muslims.
• Find and demostrate one piece of evidence that Mekka existed in any form prior to it's establishment in 150 AD.
• Find one piece of evidence from Greek, Roman, Natebean, Jewish, Persian or any other
validated recorded history - that 'Allah' as an Arab god with Hubal as his Idol existed before 180 AD.
You will not.
Then ask yourself. This 'Allah'(noun) deity, created nearly 200 years after jesus and 30 years after Mekka was founded - this diety is not of Jewish or even jewish aligned (ishmaelism) origin in its synthetic creation, but based on Baal (Sin) controller of darkness and evil.
This composite god has names of Allah, plus Manat or Lat or All-Uzzah, in fact 99 names..
A moon nature god 'born' after the universe and
'after' the sun.
This is not a universal god, of all, before and after time.
Muhammad knew all this. Allah was just an
'example god' to transition the pagan idol worshippers to a true god at some future point. Muhammad said that.
But the Muslims did not want to stop their idol or pagan worship, so they murdered Muhammad.
Now they worship fake memories of Muhammad,
in a fake book, and prostrate before fake idols to a fake god.
No wonder the Muslims are so anxious &
neurotic and full of fear of the truth.
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Biggly Bogan BOOOOOOs wrote:
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I don't your rude jokes, think I will leave and never come back here again.
We heard it all before you no good miserable free loading Dog.

Q: "What do you call a Muslim shrink?
A: A terrorpist."

Q: What do Muslim men do during foreplay?
A: Tickle the goat under the chin.

Q: How do Muslims practice safe sex?
A: They mark the camels that kick.

Q: Why don't they teach Driver's Ed and sex education on the same day in the Middle East?
A: They don't want to wear out the camel.

Losers ha ha ha
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It does seem illogical, but Jews also reach an manipulate allot of people, socieites and countries using world media and promotoing unwanted and detrimental things like war, feminism, immigration and racism. They also secure monetary interests through invasions of other countrues, dispossess and or control palistinian and other territorial lands. They are creating genocide of people races underhandedly. And this is what we "know" of, immagine what we don't know that they are concockting!? They are not saints by any stretch of the immagination.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Western Europe is doomed.
Just in a short period of time only in the last 60 years it changed so much.
Britain is not like it used to be in the old black n white films.
Now its....Londonistan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Farooq Ya Anis wrote:
<quoted text>We heard it all before you no good miserable free loading Dog.
Q: "What do you call a Muslim shrink?
A: A terrorpist."
Q: What do Muslim men do during foreplay?
A: Tickle the goat under the chin.
Q: How do Muslims practice safe sex?
A: They mark the camels that kick.
Q: Why don't they teach Driver's Ed and sex education on the same day in the Middle East?
A: They don't want to wear out the camel.
Losers ha ha ha
What do you call Muhammad's favourite wife?
A: Kinder Surprise.

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European Aussie wrote:
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Of course it is. What's worse is that Muslims live in white countries, while claiming to follow Islam. The two are not compatible with the Qoran??? WTF...! They are also becoming more radicalised in these countries. Britain now has no white go zones and Brits will be a minority in their own country in another decade! SUCKS!!!
"Islam has crippled whatever ability Muslims' might have had to compete with the civilized world, and the fruits of Western civilization reminds them of it every single day."
Muslims want to primitisie the world, like they have done to London, Norway, Sweden and parts of Germany :-(
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/bosch-fawstin/th...
Seeing we are not compatible I suggest to all Muslims to remove themselves to an Islamic country where they would feel at home .

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Seeing we are not compatible I suggest to all Muslims to remove themselves to an Islamic country where they would feel at home .
Unfortunately if it were only that simple. There aim is to infiltrate all countries of the world and once their numbers outnumber that of the natives they will agitate, kill, subdue, torture, maim, and rape their way into power unless we do something about it. They need to be given no concessions, they need to integrate into the countries that they have come to and if they don't they need to be deported. We need to have a clear strategy in place concerning how to deal with them. If they don't like it they know where the back door is. The are using our own democracy to educate themselves, bludge on the government and the people who have kindly accepted them and use it against the same people to promote their cause which is domination of all races, with Islam being the only religion accepted in the world. Hello everyone wake up before it is too late. See how European coutries are currently being dhimmified!!!!!!!!!!
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Neville Thompson wrote:
I am having thoughts that the written words of Islam are a warning to future generations of what Islam is .
There are warnings.
The 'written words of Islam are the 'Koran', a babble of imitative plagiarism or lies written long after muhammad. There were 18 differing versions, burnt by Uthman who wrote his own compromised version. Uthman was then murdered like Muhammad as a jew lover *also* by the Bakri, and buried in shame as a Jew. In the later many rewrites of the Quran, Muhammad only got only a small 'direct voice', a tiny sura
that says nothing.
Why is this?
Because islam is deeply ashamed of Muhammad and why they murdered him. Muhammad was
murdeed on the 4th assassination attempt.
He was poisoned by Aisha with datura, because he has shamed the Bakri by acknowledging Aisha was having sex with others, and a deeper reason : because Muhammad was trying to
progress the synthetic interim babble of moon god and other idols etc to appease the pagan tribes - to evolve it to aligned jewish ishmaelism.
But that cut the Bakri out of their religious idol and location franchise of Mecca..
So when the Bakri murdered muhammad they also destroyed all the evidence of that 'treachery' by Muhammad, & systemically killed all bloodline
or involved parties and evidence.
Uthman (after abu bakr & ali) then picked open the scab when he 'wrote' his version of events
and revealed this. That's why the Bakri murdered him also. But evidence survives.
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We know detail about the 3 assasination attempts and the final poisoning murder of Muhammad from recorded eyewitness accounts.
We know Muhammad warned the Bakri were of the devil (Hubal Allah) and they would further corrupt islam ("turn on your heel and walk away
etc"). We know that Muhammad knew the Bakri would murder him "when I am killed etc". We know Aisha boasted of her murder of Muhammad when she got the agents to kill Uthman (" we will kill him (Uthman) like that we did that *other old Jew lover*)-*meaning Muhammad. We know in dictation to Ali, Muhammad rescinded his false about islam & the idols of the qureesh, said he
was not a prophet or a messenger & begged forgiveness from the Jews for leading the 13th tribe of Ishmaelites astray and into false worship.
That's not taught at the mosque, but is fact recorded by islam itself.
Aisha to Uthman - on the destruction of the
words and thoughts of Muhammad "they have
been eaten by a goat, Allah (the moon god of her tribe) willed it".
Muhammad and others left many messages
warning islam was just an interim transition of
paganism to a more sophisticated ideology, ie:
• Mecca (Muslims worshipped Jerusalem) & the Kaaba was not a temple of god ("can pass
thru from one door to another" - a different building with two doors back then).
• That qureesh idols, objects and rituals were just
that, a bridge to evolve pagans to Judaism.
Muhammad for example said:
• He would lie and so be punished with a 'split heart' by God (he died of cardiac arrest after 3 days of convulsing & white foam frenzied fits
from poisons bought in the east (datura) given to him by Aisha. All on record.
• That islam was of evil (hubal / Baal worship) and Islam was so they could learn true god (YHWH or jesus lord Christ).
• He was not a prophet or messenger and had led the Ishmaelites (Arab Jews) astray (Ali).
• The Bakri (quaeesh) would murder him before his work was done, ie not a prophet able to complete gods work with gods protection at all!!
• The Bakri would distort & corrupt islam -
muhammad's message to all was to 'turn on your heel and walk away".
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Very few Muslims read the Quran. Even less
understand it. MUQ is an example of that.
But it's all in the Quran or in supporting recorded history. Timebombed so that one day every
Muslim will realise what it tells them...
If they were to follow the words of Muhammad - they would not believe in Islam.
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Neville Thompson wrote:
I am having thoughts that the written words of Islam are a warning to future generations of what Islam is .
There are warnings.
The 'written words of Islam are the 'Koran', a babble of imitative plagiarism or lies written long after muhammad. There were 18 differing versions, burnt by Uthman who wrote his own compromised version. Uthman was then murdered like Muhammad as a jew lover *also* by the Bakri, and buried in shame as a Jew. In the later many rewrites of the Quran, Muhammad only got only a small 'direct voice', a tiny sura
that says nothing.
Why is this?
Because islam is deeply ashamed of Muhammad and why they murdered him. Muhammad was
murdeed on the 4th assassination attempt.
He was poisoned by Aisha with datura, because he has shamed the Bakri by acknowledging Aisha was having sex with others, and a deeper reason : because Muhammad was trying to
progress the synthetic interim babble of moon god and other idols etc to appease the pagan tribes - to evolve it to aligned jewish ishmaelism.
But that cut the Bakri out of their religious idol and location franchise of Mecca..
So when the Bakri murdered muhammad they also destroyed all the evidence of that 'treachery' by Muhammad, & systemically killed all bloodline
or involved parties and evidence.
Uthman (after abu bakr & ali) then picked open the scab when he 'wrote' his version of events
and revealed this. That's why the Bakri murdered him also. But evidence survives.
-
We know detail about the 3 assasination attempts and the final poisoning murder of Muhammad from recorded eyewitness accounts.
We know Muhammad warned the Bakri were of the devil (Hubal Allah) and they would further corrupt islam ("turn on your heel and walk away
etc"). We know that Muhammad knew the Bakri would murder him "when I am killed etc". We know Aisha boasted of her murder of Muhammad when she got the agents to kill Uthman (" we will kill him (Uthman) like that we did that *other old Jew lover*)-*meaning Muhammad. We know in dictation to Ali, Muhammad rescinded his false about islam & the idols of the qureesh, said he
was not a prophet or a messenger & begged forgiveness from the Jews for leading the 13th tribe of Ishmaelites astray and into false worship.
That's not taught at the mosque, but is fact recorded by islam itself.
Aisha to Uthman - on the destruction of the
words and thoughts of Muhammad "they have
been eaten by a goat, Allah (the moon god of her tribe) willed it".
Muhammad and others left many messages
warning islam was just an interim transition of
paganism to a more sophisticated ideology, ie:
• Mecca (Muslims worshipped Jerusalem) & the Kaaba was not a temple of god ("can pass
thru from one door to another" - a different building with two doors back then).
• That qureesh idols, objects and rituals were just
that, a bridge to evolve pagans to Judaism.
Muhammad for example said:
• He would lie and so be punished with a 'split heart' by God (he died of cardiac arrest after 3 days of convulsing & white foam frenzied fits
from poisons bought in the east (datura) given to him by Aisha. All on record.
• That islam was of evil (hubal / Baal worship) and Islam was so they could learn true god (YHWH or jesus lord Christ).
• He was not a prophet or messenger and had led the Ishmaelites (Arab Jews) astray (Ali).
• The Bakri (quaeesh) would murder him before his work was done, ie not a prophet able to complete gods work with gods protection at all!!
• The Bakri would distort & corrupt islam -
muhammad's message to all was to 'turn on your heel and walk away".
-
Very few Muslims read the Quran. Even less
understand it. MUQ is an example of that.
But it's all in the Quran or in supporting recorded history. Timebombed so that one day every
Muslim will realise what it tells them...
If they were to follow the words of Muhammad - they would not believe in Islam.
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Prince Bandar of Saudi and the Qatari Amir HH Shaikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani - are desperate for a face saving war to now retreat out of the debacle of their attack on Syria.

So far Saudi & Qatar have wasted over $$USD 18 billion in organising a failed 'civil' uprising in Sryia. This is so that Saudi & Qatar can secure a gas pipeline link thru Jordan then via Syria & Turkey to the Nabucco gas pipeline to Europe.
If they do, then Saudi & Qatar economic prosperity is assured for the next 60 years. If they don't then Saudi & Qatar are buggered as they can not compete with gas pipelines when they would have to transit gas by ship to major markets.
But Syria, backed by Iran & Russia has blocked the access & successfully held a Shia 'wall' from Iran to the mediterranean that completely prevents Saudi & Qatar in completing the link.

Previous attempts by Saudi & Qatar to 'colonize' Iraq for the same access reason had also failed, Iraq is now Shia majority and controlled country.
The Saudi's & Qatar still murder around 100 or more Shia each week in Iraq in car bombs out of spite because of this.
To add to Saudi & Qatari woes - the USA has also switched sides, now backing the Syria
Assad regime with Russia. The USA now is a gas exporter with capacity greater than Saudi. So the USA hungrily eyes gas exports to Europe /
they don't want the Saudi & Qatari to be yet another competitor.. The USA has just completed a $8 billion gas hub in Texas for west European exports and clearly the USA & Russia have 'done a deal' to cartel the gas control and block cheap Arab gas via a pipeline out of the market..
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So in desperation some months ago : Prince Bandar & the Amir launched a poison gas attack in Syria that killed many hundreds of moderate
Sunni, to try and blame this on Assad.
But that all backfired as Russia had the dirt on it all and then the USA realised that would be
easily proved to have been done by the Saudi & Qatari regimes. Russia 'did the deal' with the USA and that was when the USA switched sides
and abandoned Saudi & Qatar.
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Now the Saudis and Qatari's are attempting
biological war. Polio.
Bringing the disease in via known infected Pakistani & Afghanistan's terrorists who were polio carriers and circulating them in the
Sryian communities.
This is so the Saudis and Qatari can beg a
'ceasefire' and force a halt just as the Syrian government is about to decimate the Saudi & Qatari organized terrorists.

This is how desperate and on the run the Wahhabist terrorists now are.
They have to resort to medieval germ warfare
as they retreat in shame, having failed to invade and dominate a tier 3 country in colonization.
We have nothing to fear from Muslims.
The second most powerful islamic nation could not even topple or colonise a small tier 3 country let alone present a threat to the many times
more powerful west.
And they have to resort to their 'terrorists' spreading polio infected feaces in the battlefield
so they can sue for peace and retreat.
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Excerpt from Mr Hempher memoirs.

Hempher went back to London, the authorities pleased with his selection of  Abdul Wahhab. Wahhab was then introduced to certain secrets, contained in a thousand-page book that outlined deficiencies of Muslims, and prescribed ways to manipulate them:
The book states  Muslims’ weak points as follows: 
sectarian divisions,
 illiteracy,
 poor hygiene, vulnerable to disease.
 Ruled by unjust dictatorships
 Poor infrastructure
 general disorderliness
 rules of the Koran are never followed or put  into practice. 
The muslim live in near economic collapse, poverty.
There is constant retrogression and lack of unity or common good. 
The military is weak, and weapons employed are out-of-date or 
obsolete. 
Women’s right are violated.

The  book outlined how the British will undermine the Muslims’ strong points in the following methods: 
foment discord and publish literature to further incite controversies. Obstruct education,
 encourage forms otherworldliness like mystical Sufism. 
Encourage oppressiveness among emperors. 
Encourage secularism, or the need to separate religion from state affairs. 
Aggravate economic decline through sabotage. 
Accustom statesmen to such indulgences as sex, sports, alcohol, gambling, and interest banking. Then, in order to make the new generation hostile towards their rulers and scholars, expose them for their corruption..

Most  importantly, the British must introduce fanaticism amongMuslims, and then criticize Islam as a religion of terror.***!!

The means of popularizing these vices were by penetrating professions as medicine, engineering and bookkeeping. 

 Abdul Wahhab agreed to cooperate, on two stipulations : he was supported with financing and weaponry. And a principality be established in his native country of Arabia to give him a base of protection.(see House of Saud Jewish Emir).

Hempher then joined Abdul Wahhab in Najd, and Wahhab was given the obligations and instructions
• of declaring all Muslims, who did not follow him, as disbelievers, he announced  he is permitted to kill them, to seize their property, to violate their chastity, to enslave them and sell them at slave markets.
 • to discourage Muslims from obeying the Sultan in Istanbul, and provoke revolt against him. 
•to allege that all sacred sites and relics are idols, respect of them is of  apostasy, they be demolished.
 •He is to do his best to produce occasions for insulting the Prophet Muhammad, his Khalifas, prominent scholars of Madhhabs, differing schools of legal interpretation.
 Finally, his utmost to encourage insurrections, oppressions and anarchy in Muslim countries.

Muslim worshippers visited graves of holy men. Abdul Wahhab used this pretext to argue that, by asking help from someone other than God, they were  “worshipping” these dead men, and  committing an act of idolatry that caused them to forfeit Islam and become apostates. It was  permitted, he argued, to fight them. 
These were some of the pretexts used by the British, through the mouth of Wahhab to incite Arabs against their rulers and the Turks.

To be continued..

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Muhammads last words wrote:
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There are warnings.
The 'written words of Islam are the 'Koran', a babble of imitative plagiarism or lies written long after muhammad. There were 18 differing versions, burnt by Uthman who wrote his own compromised version. Uthman was then murdered like Muhammad as a jew lover *also* by the Bakri, and buried in shame as a Jew. In the later many rewrites of the Quran, Muhammad only got only a small 'direct voice', a tiny sura
that says nothing.
Why is this?
Because islam is deeply ashamed of Muhammad and why they murdered him. Muhammad was
murdeed on the 4th assassination attempt.
He was poisoned by Aisha with datura, because he has shamed the Bakri by acknowledging Aisha was having sex with others, and a deeper reason : because Muhammad was trying to
progress the synthetic interim babble of moon god and other idols etc to appease the pagan tribes - to evolve it to aligned jewish ishmaelism.
But that cut the Bakri out of their religious idol and location franchise of Mecca..
So when the Bakri murdered muhammad they also destroyed all the evidence of that 'treachery' by Muhammad, & systemically killed all bloodline
or involved parties and evidence.
Uthman (after abu bakr & ali) then picked open the scab when he 'wrote' his version of events
and revealed this. That's why the Bakri murdered him also. But evidence survives.
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We know detail about the 3 assasination attempts and the final poisoning murder of Muhammad from recorded eyewitness accounts.
We know Muhammad warned the Bakri were of the devil (Hubal Allah) and they would further corrupt islam ("turn on your heel and walk away
etc"). We know that Muhammad knew the Bakri would murder him "when I am killed etc". We know Aisha boasted of her murder of Muhammad when she got the agents to kill Uthman (" we will kill him (Uthman) like that we did that *other old Jew lover*)-*meaning Muhammad. We know in dictation to Ali, Muhammad rescinded his false about islam & the idols of the qureesh, said he
was not a prophet or a messenger & begged forgiveness from the Jews for leading the 13th tribe of Ishmaelites astray and into false worship.
That's not taught at the mosque, but is fact recorded by islam itself.
Aisha to Uthman - on the destruction of the
words and thoughts of Muhammad "they have
been eaten by a goat, Allah (the moon god of her tribe) willed it".
Muhammad and others left many messages
warning islam was just an interim transition of
paganism to a more sophisticated ideology, ie:
• Mecca (Muslims worshipped Jerusalem) & the Kaaba was not a temple of god ("can pass
thru from one door to another" - a different building with two doors back then).• That qureesh idols, objects and rituals were justthat, a bridge to evolve pagans to Judaism.
Muhammad for example said:• He would lie and so be punished with a 'split heart' by God (he died of cardiac arrest after 3 days of convulsing & white foam frenzied fits
from poisons bought in the east (datura) given to him by Aisha. All on record.
• That islam was of evil (hubal / Baal worship) and Islam was so they could learn true god (YHWH or jesus lord Christ).
• He was not a prophet or messenger and had led the Ishmaelites (Arab Jews) astray (Ali).• The Bakri (quaeesh) would murder him before his work was done, ie not a prophet able to complete gods work with gods protection at all!!• The Bakri would distort & corrupt islam -muhammad's message to all was to 'turn on your heel and walk away".
-Very few Muslims read the Quran. Even lessunderstand it. MUQ is an example of that.But it's all in the Quran or in supporting recorded history. Timebombed so that one day everyMuslim will realise what it tells them...If they were to follow the words of Muhammad - they would not believe in Islam.
The Master scribes of then Islam were very intelligent that they wrote much like the Quran is written without punctuation leading the reader into many different scenarios using the very same words .
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Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>The Master scribes of then Islam were very intelligent that they wrote much like the Quran is written without punctuation leading the reader into many different scenarios using the very same words .
Maybe it can be read that way but it's not by intelligent design. Any read of the Quran is always underwhelming in that it does not lead to deep or conceptual thought.
The Quran is really just an assembly of thought bubbles and fragments of jewish script plus anecdotes from a few remaining survivors year
later. None of it is organized to a coherent theme
or conclusion that is say a topic within a theme
within a macro narrative to a spiritual or ideology series of constructs.
Instead it's shallow, incomplete, stop/start, jumps around, has massive edited out gaps (satanic verses are just one bit missing) & contradictory. Where it copies the bible or Talmud it has
massive errors & inconsistencies. As the bible & Talmud & later revealed dead sea scrolls all reconcile, it proves the Quran is mistaken & deliberate lies.
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The bulk of the quran scriptural components are
a direct lift from the book of T'ubah / later the
ishmaelite fantical anti christian book of Yusuf. This is what Muhammad was trained in when sent by the Jews to infiltrate the qureesh, before he went heretic and was corrupted by Abu Bakr (also exposed and literate in jewish beliefs).
But it's a poor copy - a 6th century Arab corrupted view given to them by the Jews as only 'partial knowledge' The Quran itself at the front
absolutely confirms this was indeed the case.
Allah & the concepts of messengers (hubal) was
very crudely imposed to keep the pagans happy but its very clear even in muhammads own brief
words that Allah was just an 'example' of a god as he attempted to lead the pagan idolatars to a more true belief. Muhammad failed at that also
and was murdered for his treachery.
So He died lost and without god / the jews rejected Muhammad's pleas for forgiveness and
Muhammad clearly never believed in the pagan
moon idols and rituals of any true god.
its an anathema to ishmaelism to believe in a moon god, 3 star daughters, a temple from an
ablutions block. Or a stone headless idol buried in a step, an antelope god swinging around inside a lamp. This was all nonsense to even
Muhammad and he said so.
The hajj was also never a Islamic ritual or any Mecca of Abraham, and the black stone inserted in the Kaaba was an example of brokering the rival qureesh pagan factions (lifted on a blanket
so all were equal..).
So i dont see any 'intelligent design' or deep
meta narritive or though pondering insights in the Quran. It's a flat shallow poorly constructed set of cut and pastes with prescriptive and rules
based minutae on whether locusts are haram to eat or not, and how to wash the feet..
Then 53,000 hadetth? are then used to spin, lie
or reinterpret to what they need to believe, rather than what it actually says with no concepts of
precedence or context.
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Uthman of course had to do something:
Muhammad had been murdered and left behind an aborted mess of beliefs. Abu Bakr then had made an ever bigger mess as caliphate with open rebellions, Ali was murdered by the qureesh and so Uthman's effort as a rushed 'selfie' and burning all the other variants was a valiant effort but he made an absolute dogs
breakfast of it all..
And remember, the qureesh then murdered Utan
as a 'jew lover' as selling them out just like Muhammad.
So the ultimate judge of how 'good a read' or 'how accurate' the Quran was - is the reaction from the target audience.
In the case of islam, the author of the Quran
Uthman was set upon and murdered and then buried in disgrace as a non Muslim. That's a fact.
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So clearly the 'Muslims' of the day thought it was
a crap book as well.
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72 questions about 72 virgins
1) What if the bomber wants girls with more experience?
2) What if one virgin is no good in bed? Does she get replaced or is he stuck with 71?
3) If he's gay, does he get male virgins?
4) What if he's celibate? What does he get?
5) What if he hasn't reached puberty yet? Does he get 72 Xboxes till he comes of age?
6) If he's bi, does he get 36 of each?
7) If he blows himself up while building the bomb, does he still get credit?
8) What do you call a relationship with 72 women, a menage-a-soixante-deux?
9) Are they like 72 wives or 1 wife and 71 concubines?
10) What if he's ugly or smells bad and the virgins don't want anything to do with him?
11) Is there viagra in paradise? Ya know, just in case?
12) Is there an age of consent?
13) When they're deflowered, do they get replaced by new virgins or are they "born again"?
14) Do they become his common-law wives eventually?
15) If he has a tryst with a 73rd virgin, do the others consider it cheating?
16) Do the virgins have a union? If so, can they strike if they're not satisfied?
17) Is there a temp agency that replaces virgins if they call in sick?
18) What if the bomber's into animals? Does he get accommodated?
19) Why 72? Is 71 too few? Is 73 too many?
20) If it was a female bomber, how do the male virgins prove their virginity?
21) What happens when paradise runs out of virgins?
22) Can a bomber make reservations on specific virgins before he blows himself up?
23) If there are no virgins available, is he put on a waiting list?
24) If he's a catholic priest, does he get 72 little boys?
25) Would you call a female bomber a bombshell?
26) Would you call a child bomber a bombino?
27) Is it not 73 out of respect for Barry Bond's home run record?
28) If the bomber previously dated one of the virgins, does it get awkward?
29) Do they have a bomb squad in paradise just in case one of the charges didn't go off?
30) Did they start using female bombers because they ran out of virgins for the guys?
31) If she's a lesbian, do they "convert" the virgins, or will straight girls suffice her?
32) Does a hermaphrodite bomber get hermaphrodite virgins?
33) If so, are there 72 available?
34) If they run out of virgins, do they get inflatable dolls till they find more?
35) If a bomber finds an infidel in paradise, can he blow him up and get 72 more virgins?
36) Could the Koran have had a typo and it actually provided just one 72 year old virgin?
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37) Is Muslim hell being one of the 72 virgins?
38) Instead of 72 guys, would a female bomber settle for 1 man who does dishes and garbage?
39) Do the bombers go broke on Valentine's Day?
40) If he's monogamous, does he pick one of the 72 or does he get a supermodel?
41) What if he doesn't like either gender? Does he just klutz around in paradise?
42) Eternity is long, and eventually he'll grow bored of his 72 women. What happens then?
43) How does he pick the 72 to begin with? Lottery? Beauty pageant? Police lineup?
44) Is he allowed to covet his neighbor's virgins?
45) Do the virgins have agents and/or contracts?
46) If so, can a virgin request to be traded or put on waivers if she's unhappy?
47) What should he say if one of the virgins asks "Does this Burka make me look fat?"
48) If he gives the wrong answer, is he uh, screwed?
49) How is anyone expected to handle a catfight amongst 72 women?
50) Did the 9/11 hijackers who didn't know they were going to die get 72 virgins too?
51) Are scouts employed to find virgin talent?
52) Do the virgins ever retire, or do they remain virgins forever?
53) If they retire, what kind of pension plan do they get?
54) Wouldn't it be interesting if they're virgins because they're ugly?
55) So is it 72 Muslim girls or like 1 virgin from every culture?
56) Wouldn't it be sweet if Lorena Bobbit got hired as one of the virgins?
57) What does Gloria Steinem have to say about all this?
58) When he gets home, does he have to say "How was your day?" to all 72 virgins?
59) Do they have counseling for sexual addiction in paradise?
60) If the virgins start hogging the remote, is he in hell?
61) They must take up an entire theater when they go to the movies, huh?
62) Are there restaurants in paradise that can accommodate a reservation for 73?
63) If a virgin suffers from multiple personalities, is she considered two virgins?
64) Does he get all the virgins at once, or do they have an installment plan?
65) Is the bomber entitled to subsitutes, exchanges, or refunds?
66) What if all the king's horses and all the king's men can't put the bomber together again?
67) Is "not tonight, dear, I have a headache" a valid excuse in paradise?
68) Do the virgins come with a warranty?
69) If so, does paradise replace defective parts and provide on-site service?
70) What do you call a lifetime warranty if you're dead?
71) Do siamese twin bombers get 144 virgins?
72) Who gets to clean up all those nasty sheets?
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Excerpt from Mr Hempher memoirs.
Hempher went back to London, the authorities pleased with his selection of  Abdul Wahhab. Wahhab was then introduced to certain secrets, contained in a thousand-page book that outlined deficiencies of Muslims, and prescribed ways to manipulate them:
The book states  Muslims’ weak points as follows: 
sectarian divisions,
 illiteracy,
 poor hygiene, vulnerable to disease.
 Ruled by unjust dictatorships
 Poor infrastructure
 general disorderliness
 rules of the Koran are never followed or put  into practice. 
The muslim live in near economic collapse,
poverty.
There is constant retrogression and lack of unity or common good. 
The military is weak, and weapons employed are
out-of-date or  obsolete. 
Women’s right are violated.
The  book outlined how the British will undermine
the Muslims’ strong points in the following
methods: 
foment discord and publish literature to further
incite controversies.
Obstruct education,
 encourage forms otherworldliness like mystical Sufism. 
Encourage oppressiveness among emperors. 
Encourage secularism, or the need to separate religion from state affairs. 
Aggravate economic decline through sabotage.
Accustom statesmen to such indulgences as sex, sports, alcohol, gambling, and interest banking.
Then, in order to make the new generation hostile towards their rulers and scholars, expose
them for their corruption..
Most  importantly, the British must introduce
fanaticism amongst Muslims and then criticize
Islam as a religion of terror.***!!
The means of popularizing these vices were by 
penetrating professions as medicine, engineering and bookkeeping. 
 Abdul Wahhab agreed to cooperate, on two
stipulations : he was supported with financing and weaponry. And a principality be established
in his native country of Arabia to give him a base of protection.(see House of Saud Jewish Emir).

Hempher then joined Abdul Wahhab in Najd, and
Wahhab was given the obligations and instructions to do thus:
• declaring all Muslims, who did not follow him,
as disbelievers, he announced  he is permitted to
kill them, to seize their property, to violate their chastity, to enslave them and sell them at slave
markets.
 • to discourage Muslims from obeying the Sultan in Istanbul, and provoke revolt against him.
•to allege that all sacred sites and relics are
idols, respect of them is of  apostasy, they be
demolished.
 •He is to do his best to produce occasions for
insulting the Prophet Muhammad, his Khalifas,
prominent scholars of Madhhabs, differing schools of legal interpretation.
 Finally, his utmost to encourage insurrections,
oppressions and anarchy in Muslim countries.
Muslim worshippers visited graves of holy men.
Abdul Wahhab used this pretext to argue that, by
asking help from someone other than God, they were  “worshipping” these dead men, and  
committing an act of idolatry that caused them to
forfeit Islam and become apostates. It was  permitted, he argued, to fight them. 

These were some of the pretexts used by the
British, through the mouth of Wahhab to incite Arabs against their rulers and the Turks.
To be continued..
So the Wahhabi were a cult deliberately
designed by the British to infect islam and turn Muslim against Muslim. How clever were these British ! This book about Mr Hempher should be
compulsory reading for all muslims.

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I wonder, Muslims have so much land and so many counties. Muslims have more than 50 odd nations. Why don't they assimilate Palestinian people in to their societies and provide them with opportunities to have good lives?
Supporting Palestinian people supports providing them with weapons & jihad only?

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