Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46740 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Hajj blowback on Saudi

Australia

#42643 Sep 17, 2013
Assad and Syria have now won the support of the world community and defeated the attempted Wahhabist invasion.
Shortly the Russians will release the evidence that Prince Bandar of Saudi & also Qatar were funding the Wahabbi terrorists and the poison gas attack that killed many Syrian Sunni.
Should be an interesting Hajj in Mecca in October - when many Muslim pilgrims will ask why the Saudi's promote terrorism that kills Muslims including Shia & also Sunni...
Islam - at war with itself....

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42644 Sep 17, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
How come Great Prophets like Abraham, Jacob, David and Solomon were not "Aware" of this one man, one woman theory?
Are you "more knowledgeable" than those Great prophets of God?
So just to support your "wrong understanding of that Biblical Phrase"....you have no hesitation for finding faults with these Great Prophets of God?
And why Jesus did not marry at all? Was he not aware of that "One man, one woman theory of yours"?
Who says that the great prophets were unaware of the instructions given in Genesis, you???? On what evidence do you base your assumption? Abraham would have been aware of it due to the fact that he is credited with writing Genesis and the instruction is written there in black and white.

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.(Singular not plural) The fact that man disobeyed God proves nothing. Mankind right from the start did what they wanted to do, not what God instructed them to do. Eve disobeyed the only instruction that God gave to both her and Adam by eating of the fruit of the tree of life and knowledge. Jesus was sinless and reflected the glory of His father. Marrying would have distracted from his mission

Jesus did not get married because as bridegroom, his bride is the church. Marrying was not part of his mission
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#42645 Sep 17, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you know that they were not aware??Humans are are aware of many things but that doesn't stop them from doing the wrong thing.
I have never claimed to be more knowledgeable than others
The purpose of Jesus coming to the world was specific it was not to get married but to save mankind. He set aside his own life and desires to serve others.He didn't have time for marriage in the short time of his ministry.
The one man and one woman theory is not mine but the teaching of God so are you questioning Him as opposed to me?????????
So you think that these prophets of God were aware of this 'One man, one women theory" but ignored or did not remember while they went into error.

And God also did "nothing" to correct their errors or mistakes and did not warn them?

Not only that, he "justified" their mistakes or errors, by "blessing" the outcome of that mistake?

Do you know what you are saying?

That is why , I said, you claim to know more than these mighty prophets of God.

Just to stick to your wrong misunderstanding of one verse of your book, and quoting it out of context, you have no fear of butting blames of Prophets of God.

Now coming to the point of concubines, you said that you are opposed to it these days, so when do you think this system should have been abolished?

Obviously the prophets of God did not do it , knowingly or un knowingly and as for as I know, even Jesus and Paul did not abolish this system as well as slavery.

So when this concubine and slavery system should have been abolished?
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#42646 Sep 17, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Who says that the great prophets were unaware of the instructions given in Genesis, you???? On what evidence do you base your assumption? Abraham would have been aware of it due to the fact that he is credited with writing Genesis and the instruction is written there in black and white.
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.(Singular not plural) The fact that man disobeyed God proves nothing. Mankind right from the start did what they wanted to do, not what God instructed them to do. Eve disobeyed the only instruction that God gave to both her and Adam by eating of the fruit of the tree of life and knowledge. Jesus was sinless and reflected the glory of His father. Marrying would have distracted from his mission
Jesus did not get married because as bridegroom, his bride is the church. Marrying was not part of his mission
You posted a different reply some hours back, not it seems you have changed your answer.

But the main question remains the same.

Do not compare it to the acts which are already included as "mistakes" and both Adam and Eve repented of what they did.

So Jesus is "married" to the "Church"? Do you know there was no so called "Church" during the life time of Jesus?

What weird "jesus' marriage to the Church is"? And who comes out of that marriage? Popes!!

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42647 Sep 17, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
So you think that these prophets of God were aware of this 'One man, one women theory" but ignored or did not remember while they went into error.
And God also did "nothing" to correct their errors or mistakes and did not warn them?
Not only that, he "justified" their mistakes or errors, by "blessing" the outcome of that mistake?
Do you know what you are saying?
That is why , I said, you claim to know more than these mighty prophets of God.
Just to stick to your wrong misunderstanding of one verse of your book, and quoting it out of context, you have no fear of butting blames of Prophets of God.
Now coming to the point of concubines, you said that you are opposed to it these days, so when do you think this system should have been abolished?
Obviously the prophets of God did not do it , knowingly or un knowingly and as for as I know, even Jesus and Paul did not abolish this system as well as slavery.
So when this concubine and slavery system should have been abolished?
Mankind ever since Adam and Eve evil have been born sinful. If God supported polygamy then why did he only provide Adam one wife instead of 2,3 or 4. God gave mankind freedom of choice.Mankind is responsible for his own decisions and actions be they right or wrong. It is not just one verse of the bible I am referring to there are others:

Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh.

Deut: 17:
Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold"

Matthew 19:5
...'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh'?

Mark 10:7
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife NOT WIVES

Mark 10:8
and the TWO will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one flesh.(not two or three or more fleshes)

Just because the Bible mentions a trait or act of an individual , even a godly person, does not necessarily mean that God endorses their action.The bible describes Noah drunkeness but it does not condone it and yet God still saved his life and blessed him and that of his family

The prophets of God knew what they needed to do but God gives us all free will and when we stand before him on the last day we will all be made accountable for our actions

Genesis 6:12
And God looked upon the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted its way on the earth.

God is giving mankind an undetermined amount of time to make it right with Him and his son Jesus. As he destroyed the whole world except for one family so it will be when Christ returns there will be a new heaven and a new Earth and only certain people will gain entry to that new everlasting life

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42648 Sep 17, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You posted a different reply some hours back, not it seems you have changed your answer.
But the main question remains the same.
Do not compare it to the acts which are already included as "mistakes" and both Adam and Eve repented of what they did.
So Jesus is "married" to the "Church"? Do you know there was no so called "Church" during the life time of Jesus?
What weird "jesus' marriage to the Church is"? And who comes out of that marriage? Popes!!
The people are the church, it does not refer to a building such as a synagogue.

The bride is the believers in Jesus and Jesus is the bridegroom

People today have the ability to repent so what is your point.David murdered someone and stole his wife but he repented and God forgave him

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42649 Sep 17, 2013
Rauf lala wrote:
To Sheilaa idiot
[Quran 2:221] Do not marry idolatresses unless they believe; a believing woman is better than an idolatress, even if you like her. Nor shall you give your daughters in marriage to idolatrous men, unless they believe. A believing man is better than an idolater, even if you like him. These invite to Hell, while God invites to Paradise and forgiveness, as He wills. He clarifies His revelations for the people, that they may take heed.
[Quran 4:21] How could you take it back, after you have been intimate with each other, and they had taken from you a solemn pledge?
Respect for the Father
[Quran 4:22] Do not marry the women who were previously married to your fathers - existing marriages are exempted and shall not be broken - for it is a gross offense, and an abominable act.
Incest Forbidden
[Quran 4:23] Prohibited for you (in marriage) are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, the sisters of your fathers, the sisters of your mothers, the daughters of your brother, the daughters of your sister, your nursing mothers, the girls who nursed from the same woman as you, the mothers of your wives, the daughters of your wives with whom you have consummated the marriage - if the marriage has not been consummated, you may marry the daughter. Also prohibited for you are the women who were married to your genetic sons. Also, you shall not be married to two sisters at the same time - but do not break up existing marriages. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
Mutual Attraction And Dowry Required
[Quran 4:24] Also prohibited are the women who are already married, unless they flee their disbelieving husbands who are at war with you.* These are God's commandments to you. All other categories are permitted for you in marriage, so long as you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain your morality, by not committing adultery. Thus, whoever you like among them, you shall pay them the dowry decreed for them. You commit no error by mutually agreeing to any adjustments to the dowry. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.
*4:24 If believing women flee their disbelieving husbands who are at war with the believers, they do not have to obtain a divorce before remarriage. See 60:10.

Put the proverbial sock in it. No no one is going to take the time to read your boring post. It is almost but not quite as long winded as MUG's
European Aussie

Flinders, Australia

#42650 Sep 17, 2013
Laughable a Muzzie in America. You must be feeling as welcome as a fly on a BBQ!

NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR JEW RIDDEN BOOK of the DEVIL.

BTW, I heard there was a famous transvestite named Raffa La La what evere the F kc ever... LMFAO!
Mamooka

Point Cook, Australia

#42652 Sep 17, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you really count?
I have serious doubt about it!!
Otherwise you will never say 1+1=1 = 1 !!
MUQ, please point out any Islamic success stories, as I can't find any ?

http://dawn.com/news/1043733/wave-of-car-bomb...

Unless this is the success you talk of , successful killing.
European Aussie

Flinders, Australia

#42653 Sep 17, 2013
Mamooka wrote:
<quoted text>
MUQ, please point out any Islamic success stories, as I can't find any ?
http://dawn.com/news/1043733/wave-of-car-bomb...
Unless this is the success you talk of , successful killing.
You know how certain words remind you of things...?

Ever since I heard the weird word 'Islam', I thing of a tasty Pig being cooked on an Aussie spit rotissarie barby.
European Aussie

Flinders, Australia

#42654 Sep 17, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Put the proverbial sock in it. No no one is going to take the time to read your boring post. It is almost but not quite as long winded as MUG's
He is 'praying, hoping' we will. Like somehow he is going to convert an ideological factual, advanced, civilised Western society to following some bizzar religious sect?!

The day that happens our honourable ancestors will turn over in their graves, LMFAO...!!!
European Aussie

Flinders, Australia

#42655 Sep 17, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Mankind ever since Adam and Eve evil have been born sinful. If God supported polygamy then why did he only provide Adam one wife instead of 2,3 or 4. God gave mankind freedom of choice.Mankind is responsible for his own decisions and actions be they right or wrong. It is not just one verse of the bible I am referring to there are others:
Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh.
Deut: 17:
Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold"
Matthew 19:5
...'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh'?
Mark 10:7
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife NOT WIVES
Mark 10:8
and the TWO will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one flesh.(not two or three or more fleshes)
Just because the Bible mentions a trait or act of an individual , even a godly person, does not necessarily mean that God endorses their action.The bible describes Noah drunkeness but it does not condone it and yet God still saved his life and blessed him and that of his family
The prophets of God knew what they needed to do but God gives us all free will and when we stand before him on the last day we will all be made accountable for our actions
Genesis 6:12
And God looked upon the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted its way on the earth.
God is giving mankind an undetermined amount of time to make it right with Him and his son Jesus. As he destroyed the whole world except for one family so it will be when Christ returns there will be a new heaven and a new Earth and only certain people will gain entry to that new everlasting life
Our eligion worked out 2000+ years ago that man was subject to sin ...Period. That is why it makes allowances and exceptions and affords forgivness for those who really want to change.

Forgiveness is not however an excuse to committ sin.

Muzzies do not understand this fact, beacuse their Quoran is based on Juadism and primitve ideologies.

Our religion does not even consider violenece or hypocrisy as a means of coercing conversion. Neither do the great laws that govern our nation and it allies.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42656 Sep 18, 2013
NT wrote:
Why did Islam need more than one prophet to receive the message of god prior to Muhammad ?
Ans.

Islam did not "need" more than one prophet.

The message of Islam was the same which was preached by each and every prophet of God.

And in essence it was very simple "worship only One True God , do not worship or associate any thing with His worship, and follow your prophet".

Since in earlier days, there were not means to link different nations, that is why prophets were sent to every nation.

Then sometimes when one prophet died and his message was either corrupted or diluted, then God sent another prophet to revive that massage.

That is why we have such a long chain of prophets starting from Adam and ending with Last and Final prophet, Prophet Mohammad, Peace and mercy of Allah be to all His Prophets and Messengers.

Allah Knows Best.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42657 Sep 18, 2013
Mamooka wrote:
<quoted text>
MUQ, please point out any Islamic success stories, as I can't find any ?
http://dawn.com/news/1043733/wave-of-car-bomb...
Unless this is the success you talk of , successful killing.
Is it?

How come a religion coming out of land of Arabia conquered "Two third" of the civlized world within a short span of 50 years?

And how come its followers were leading the world in every field for close to 700 years?

And that its followers are the biggest "teetotaler" society on the face of earth?

And they have highest charity rate, lowest suicide rate amongst all nations?

I think you were looking for CNN and FOX to find some "good points" about Islam, were you?
Mamooka

Australia

#42659 Sep 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it?
How come a religion coming out of land of Arabia conquered "Two third" of the civlized world within a short span of 50 years?
And how come its followers were leading the world in every field for close to 700 years?
And that its followers are the biggest "teetotaler" society on the face of earth?
And they have highest charity rate, lowest suicide rate amongst all nations?
I think you were looking for CNN and FOX to find some "good points" about Islam, were you?
"Is it?"

Answer

Acording to your islamic sisters it is, http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/suicide-bomber-5... A mother of two from Gaza City makes a video statement for Hamas days before blowing herself up, killing four Israelis and wounding seven others.

"How come a religion coming out of land of Arabia conquered "Two third" of the civlized world within a short span of 50 years?"

Answer

Did you make this Up ? and what happened to these civilized people, to make them Murder each others children on a daily basis.?

"And how come its followers were leading the world in every field for close to 700 years?"

Answer

The world is 4.54 billion years old, so what are you saying, sounds like nothing when put in too context.

"And that its followers are the biggest "teetotaler" society on the face of earth

Answer

And what ?

"And they have highest charity rate, lowest suicide rate amongst all nations? "

Answer

What ? Charity ? After the Arab spring 1.5 million in camps http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/09/9-massive-r...

"I think you were looking for CNN and FOX to find some "good points" about Islam, were you? "

Answer

Point me to the right web site then, Google must be lies then,

"MUQ, please point out any Islamic success stories, as I can't find any ? "
Rauf lala

Ashburn, VA

#42660 Sep 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it?
How come a religion coming out of land of Arabia conquered "Two third" of the civlized world within a short span of 50 years?
It's because Mohammad offered his wife Aisha to every man.

Mash Allah.
Rauf lala

Ashburn, VA

#42661 Sep 18, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Put the proverbial sock in it. No no one is going to take the time to read your boring post. It is almost but not quite as long winded as MUG's
Stupid imbecle Sheilaa
I spend all my energy and time to copy it from a website, atleast you should have read it but you easily ignored it.
May Allah fk you.

Amin.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#42662 Sep 18, 2013
Rauf lala wrote:
<quoted text>I am a staunch muslim, I would sacrifice my life for islam, if someone insults my islam I wont kill him or get angry like a typical muslim instead I will lock myself in a room and cry like a small baby.
Weren't you a Christian a little awhile ago ?
Rauf lala

Ashburn, VA

#42663 Sep 18, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Weren't you a Christian a little awhile ago ?
I am a muslim you idiot.
I belong to Dardic goat fcuker race of Poonch district.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#42664 Sep 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Islam did not "need" more than one prophet.
The message of Islam was the same which was preached by each and every prophet of God.
And in essence it was very simple "worship only One True God , do not worship or associate any thing with His worship, and follow your prophet".
Since in earlier days, there were not means to link different nations, that is why prophets were sent to every nation.
Then sometimes when one prophet died and his message was either corrupted or diluted, then God sent another prophet to revive that massage.
That is why we have such a long chain of prophets starting from Adam and ending with Last and Final prophet, Prophet Mohammad, Peace and mercy of Allah be to all His Prophets and Messengers.
Allah Knows Best.
How did Muhammad know all about Adam and Eve, what religion did Muhammad follow prior to Islam that he could learn of such events in history ?

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