Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 20 comments on the Dec 23, 2007, Scoop story titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Michael B

Melbourne, Australia

#42461 Sep 15, 2013
Well look at england, where only 2% of the poopulation are muslim but over 85% of reported rapes are committed by muslims against native white girls.

In every instance, muslims have caused trouble, they breed 8-12 kids per family and teach them to hate the country they're born in, that white girls are nothing but fuck-toys and white men should be attacked and driven out on sight.
They think they have a birthright to Australia as if they are somehow indigenous to Australia, this mindset has caused many conflicts with native aborigines and many aboriginal leaders have stated that if they much chose between the christian/white man, or the muslim/pakistani/arab/other man, they will side with the christian/white man.

in Sweden, muslim immigration has caused Sweden's women to dye their hair black and brown specifically so they dont get kidnapped and raped by muslim immigrants.

in every single case, every islamic school in the world has been teaching nothing but hate to the children there, they are never taught "ok you are a part of a wider community, respect other people's religions and culture" no, 100% of them teach "islam is the only religion and everyone else deserves death"
and this is especially true in the west.

Australia has everything to fear from muslims, our way of life, our culture, our identity, even our own racial and gender equality and diversity.
Michael B

Melbourne, Australia

#42462 Sep 15, 2013
Pigmuncherbuster wrote:
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Another ignorant Bogan pig munchers showing his fear, Mslims are on their way pig munchers, better hone your Arabic skills if you won't to climb out of the pig sty you live in....LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,
Sincerely Muslim ruler.
you see this is why the whole world hates you muslims.

you claim to rule the world, that you are the best and that everyone must kiss your feet.

but in every single time that someone criticizes you, stands up to you, calls you out on your bullshit, you throw a tantrum and have a big cry.

you cry "racism" when someoen says you shouldnt go around hunting down and raping white girls.

you wave the "victim flag" when anyone does so much as criticize you.

you cannot even take a fucking cartoon without having a global tantrum and cry-fest, you have got to be the thinnest skinned, most oversensitive crybabies in the history of humankind and everyhting you do reeks of hipocracy!

oh and BTW, pork is our culture in the west, you can avoid having it yourselves, but you will never remove it from the mouths and stomachs of us.

oh and also, just to show how intellectually bankrupt you are, i bet you can't even respond to this without threatening to kill me.
Syria turning point

Sydney, Australia

#42463 Sep 15, 2013
Go look at a map,, and study how Saudi could ever export their Gas thru a pipeline to Europe.
It has go go thru Iraq or Syria.(Jordan & turkey being Saudi or Sunni aligned) & Iraq & Sryia being Shia or anti Saudi aligned.
Now you can understand the civil war in Iraq (won by the Shia) and why Saudi has been so desperate to destablise & colonize Syria.
Now Saudi has been defeated in Syria.

Prince Bandar's attempt to drag the USA into the war backfired. Everyone now know it was Saudi behind the poison gas attack.

Syria can now distribute it's chemical weapons to it's allies in Iraq & Lebanon & then hand over a
token sample to the UN. And Syria has won international acclaim in appearing to be moderate and of the people.
How the Saudi princes & wahabbists in Jordan & Turkey must be gnashing their teeth. They have collectively wasted tens of billions in trying to
colonize Iraq then Syria as domains of control.
What did they expect ?
Syria was being fought over re the gas pipeline Saudi wanted to the European market.
The Russians dont want that, they have their own pipeline thru the Ukraine and it was competition. Iran can link into the Russian pipeline but not Saudi.
The USA & Europe did want it (backing Saudi in
its plans) but the TURNING POINT is they have gone cold on the idea as the USA will become a gas exporter - due to CSG/fracking - unthinkable
11 years ago. And the UK has just 'found' 190 years of gas & will export to western Europe.
That's what's just happened.
Saudi is not strategic to the west anymore.
The middle east trans-gas pipeline will NEVER be built. Russia & the West colluding to 'help' the Shia or 'help' the Wahhabi so they remain at war and stalemated.
Turkey, Jordan, Qatar & Saudi will now all be undermined and destabilized as the USA realigns to a new strategy of energy self dependence.
*Wahhabi was invented by the west as an Islamic version of Zionism (direct copy) to split Islam. Politicians & Jewish scholars took Salifism
(recidivision) and 'created' wahabbi as a antidote to the Islam contagion. Read Randolph churchill. The western strategy was to break down the turkish empire & old caliphate by introducing radical recidivism. The west created the wahaabist state of Saudi deliberately to break Islam (jack phibly a MI6 agent = king Abdullah) to prevent a unified Islam controlling energy.
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It worked - all of Islam from Mali to Malaysia is in forment and civil war. All the middle east are now vassals of Christians. Now nothing but an 'energy reserve' for us, at some future point.. long after the last Quran is in landfill, and the last mosque lies empty, shattered & rubble.
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The West's studious ignoring of Saudi's desperate tactics in Sryia is deliberate.
No one is backing Saudi anymore.
Ratmuncherbuster

Australia

#42464 Sep 15, 2013
Pigmuncherbuster wrote:
And this from a Jew whose dike you pig munchers love to suk....LLOL,LLOL,LLOL, read you ignorant uneducated bogan peasants...LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,
WEEKEND EDITION SEPTEMBER 13-15, 2013
Why Israel is Furious
by URI AVNERY
Here is another Jewish joke: A hungry young Jew sees an announcement outside a local circus: anyone who climbs to the top of a 50 meter pole and jumps onto a tarpaulin below will win a prize of a thousand rubles.
Out of desperation he goes in, climbs the pole and shudders looking down.
“Jump! Jump!” the ringmaster shouts.
“Jumping is out of the question!” the Jew shouts back.“But how do I get down again?”
That’s how Barack Obama was feeling, a moment before the Russians provided the means.
The trouble with war is that it has two sides.
You prepare a war meticulously. You have a perfect plan. Future generals will study it in their academies. But once you make the first move, everything goes awry. Because the other side has a mind of its own and does not behave the way you expect.
A good example was provided exactly 40 years ago today (by the Hebrew calendar) with the Egyptian and Syrian attack on Israel. According to our planning, they shouldn’t and they couldn’t have done so. No way. They knew that our forces were superior and their defeat inevitable.
The chief of army intelligence, the man responsible for the overall evaluation of all intelligence gathered, coined the famous phrase:“low probability”. So, while hundreds of items indicated that an attack was imminent, the government of Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan still managed to be surprised when the Egyptians crossed the Suez Canal and the Syrians advanced down to the Sea of Galilee.
Some time before, I had warned the Knesset that the Egyptians were going to start a war. No one took any notice. I was no prophet. I had just returned from a peace conference with Arab delegates, and a very highly-placed Egyptian former colonel told me that Anwar al-Sadat would attack, if Israel did not accept his secret peace proposals and withdraw from Sinai.“But you can’t win!” I protested,“He won’t attack in order to win, but in order to get the frozen situation moving again,” he responded.
Since then, the phrase “low probability” has had an ominous ring in Israeli ears. No one ever used it. But during the last two weeks, it has made a sudden comeback.
Incredible as it sounds, it was given new life by our army command. Eager to have the Americans attack Syria, and faced with a run on gas masks in Israel, they announced that there was a very low probability that Bashar al-Assad would retaliate by attacking Israel.
He wouldn’t dare, of course. How could he? His army is bogged down in fighting with the rebels. It is inferior to our army anyhow, and after two years of civil war it is even weaker than usual. So it would be madness on his part to provoke us. Absolutely. Very, very low probability.
Or is it?
It certainly would be, if Assad’s mind worked like that of an Israeli general. But Assad is not an Israeli general. He is the Syrian dictator, and his mind might work quite differently.
What about the
Mamoud

Australia

#42465 Sep 15, 2013
hal

Adelaide, Australia

#42466 Sep 15, 2013
Mamoud wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =x_z6auqVO9AXX
Blame Blame Blame http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News... Ha ha ha, wash your body's with soap and water would be a good start !

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#42467 Sep 15, 2013
Pigmuncherbuster wrote:
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Another ignorant Bogan pig munchers showing his fear, Mslims are on their way pig munchers, better hone your Arabic skills if you won't to climb out of the pig sty you live in....LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,
Sincerely Muslim ruler.
Why would a Muslim come to our shores knowing that much of our way of life is an offence to them ?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42468 Sep 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
1. How you say that God says it differently? Where is your proof?
2. As for as I know and how much Bible gives the genealogical tables, Prophet Ishmael's father was prophet Abraham and his mother was Hagar , a princess of Egypt, whom king of Egypt had given to serve Sarah the first wife of prophet Abraham.
Later Sarah, seeing that she was childless, gave Hagar as a wife to Abraham.
I do not know, what your objection about Ishmael is. Considering that in no less than 11 places in Bible, God calls Ishmael as a Son and Seed of Abraham.
What you have failed to mention is that God, in that same bible that you are referring to stated that Isaac was the promised seed not Ishmael and that it was Issac who God asked Abraham to sacrifice not Ishmael.Kind of shows the misrepresentation of the bible that Muslims are well known for. They will pick and choose what fits in with their own false ideology and teachings. Keep reading MUG and the truth will set you free

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42469 Sep 15, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would Muslims come to our shores knowing that much of our way of life is an offence to them ?
They are part of a global stealth jihad plan by Muslims to install a worldwide caliphate. They will use the democracy of their host countries to implement their plan. If you look around the world it is quite obvious to anyone who understands their aims to see what is happening

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42470 Sep 15, 2013
Pigmuncherbuster wrote:
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Better than being satan worshipping pig munching fat piece of pig-shite...LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,LLO L, one of the prophecies is that there will come a time when Christians will eat pigs and behave like them as well....lool,llol,llol. I think it was for you, llol,llol,llol, also some say women will become fat and start using names like shitlaaaas because they will smell like shite and they will be frustrated and always utter crap from their pig infested tongues, llol,llol,llllol,llol,lloll, fat shitlaas will not be able to walk because of accumulated pig lard on their behinds and people will be able to recognise them easily because they will be like waddling sows......LLOL,LLOL,LLOL
Keep wailing crybaby, no one is listening to you or paying attention to your infantile tantrums. LMAO

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42471 Sep 15, 2013
Sign the petition below if you are interested in limiting Muslim immigration to Australia:

Australia must change its immigration policies to exclude Muslims.

Islam is both a religion and a political ideology, and its politics are supremacist. That is, the doctrines of mainstream Islam command Muslims to work toward the dominance of their religion over all other religions, and the subjugation of all people to the Islamic political system (Sharia).

This does not refer to some "extreme" or "radical" form of Islam. Sharia is a fundamental part of mainstream Islam. It is the duty of every Muslim to strive to establish the holy law of Allah (Sharia) wherever possible.

Furthermore, one of the basic tenets of the faith is that loyalty to Islam takes precedence over loyalty to any government or country.

When Muslims move into any country, a certain percentage of them start agitating for special considerations. They start to organize and influence the nation politically in a way that is good for Islam and bad for freedom and equality. When the percentage of the Muslims in a nation's population becomes high enough, they gain so much political power that freedoms and rights begin to disappear.

Source: http://dttj.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-stop-mus...

There may be plenty of Muslims who reject these basic principles of Islamic doctrine, but we have no way to determine who does and who does not. We could ask them on their immigration application, but another Islamic principle (known as "taqiyya") allows Muslims to deceive non-Muslims if it helps the spread or dominance of Islam.

Until we find some way to determine who genuinely rejects the political goals of Islam and who does not, we should stop all immigration into Australia by Muslims.

The first criticism of this proposal will probably be, "It is racist." But Islam is not a race; it's an ideology. This proposed policy is nothing more than informed, reasonable self-preservation. If there is a group of any kind (religious or not) with an established intent to undermine our laws or sabotage our government, it would be self-destructive to grant entry to their members.

Join with us and sign this petition. And then urge everyone you know to sign it.

http://www.petitiononline.com/petitions/noima...
Lords over all Muslims

Sydney, Australia

#42472 Sep 15, 2013
Syria turning point wrote:
Go look at a map,, and study how Saudi could ever export their Gas thru a pipeline to Europe.
It has go go thru Iraq or Syria.(Jordan & turkey being Saudi or Sunni aligned) & Iraq & Sryia being Shia or anti Saudi aligned.
Now you can understand the civil war in Iraq (won by the Shia) and why Saudi has been so desperate to destablise & colonize Syria.
Now Saudi has been defeated in Syria.
Prince Bandar's attempt to drag the USA into the war backfired. Everyone now know it was Saudi behind the poison gas attack.
Syria can now distribute it's chemical weapons to
it's allies in Iraq & Lebanon & then hand over a
token sample to the UN. And Syria has won international acclaim in appearing to be moderate
and of the people.

How the Saudi princes & wahabbists in Jordan & Turkey must be gnashing their teeth. They have
collectively wasted tens of billions in trying to
colonize Iraq then Syria as domains of control.

What did they expect ?
Syria was being fought over re the gas pipeline Saudi wanted to the European market.
The Russians dont want that, they have their own pipeline thru the Ukraine and it was competition. Iran can link into the Russian pipeline but not Saudi.
The USA & Europe did want it (backing Saudi in
its plans) so
the TURNING POINT is they have gone cold on the idea as the USA will become a gas exporter - due to CSG/fracking - unthinkable
11 years ago. And the UK has just 'found' 190 years of gas & will export to western Europe.
That's what's just happened.

Saudi is not strategic to the west anymore.
The middle east trans-gas pipeline will NEVER
be built. Russia & the West colluding to 'help' the Shia or 'help' the Wahhabi* so they remain at war and stalemated.
Turkey, Jordan, Qatar & Saudi will now all be
undermined and destabilized as the USA realigns to a new strategy of energy self dependence.

*Wahhabi was invented by the west as an
Islamic version of Zionism (direct copy) to split Islam. Politicians & Jewish scholars took Salifism
(recidivision) and 'created' wahabbi as a antidote to the Islam contagion. Read Randolph churchill.
The western strategy was to break down the turkish empire & old caliphate by introducing radical recidivism. The west created the
wahaabist state of Saudi deliberately to break Islam (jack phibly a MI6 agent = king Abdullah) to prevent a unified Islam controlling energy.
-
It worked - all of Islam from Mali to Malaysia is in forment and civil war. All the middle east are now vassals of Christians. Now nothing but an
'energy reserve' for us, at some future point.. long after the last Quran is in landfill, and the last mosque lies empty, shattered & rubble.
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The West's studious ignoring of Saudi's desperate tactics in Sryia is deliberate.
No one is backing Saudi anymore.
Exactly. There is no way that Russia or the West would ever be in conflict over some Muslim rabble in Sryia. It's all about the gas pipeline for sure. Russia, Iran & Sryia have snookered Saudi & the middle east gas producers big time, and now Russia & the USA (Iraq) control the energy supply & competition. The Saudis are furious with the USA because the USA has sold them out. And despite all the rantings from the silly Muslims, nothing to do with the Jews.
This was the dogs of Saudi now sold out by their western masters who colluding with Russia against them. The USA is now energy sufficient and soon will be a gas exporter. Iran will join Russia using the Russian pipeline as soon as sanctions are lifted. And Saudi and all the little Arab despots like Qatar will be rooted.
No way at all for them to get across into Europe. What the Saudis just lost in Syria was their economic base for the next 50 years...
It was about time the west who is lord over all muslims slapped down Saudi and put them back in their little sandbox.

Since: Jun 12

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#42473 Sep 15, 2013
THERE ARE FOUR STAGES OF ISLAMIZATION AND EACH DAY I WILL POST ONE OF THEM

Stages of Islamization

STAGE ONE: INFILTRATION

First migration wave to target non-Muslim society.
Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the target non-Muslim society.
Characterized by professed tolerance of others and their beliefs.
Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful religion and Muslims as victims of misunderstanding and racism.
Images of women and children used to portray Muslims.
Establishment of mosques as power bases (today globally funded by Gulf countries oil revenue).(Mosques are safe havens for Jihadi recruitment and subversive projects).
Muslim leaders promote large push for increased Muslim births in target non-Muslim society to increase native Muslim population.
Misrepresentation of their intentions or aims as a cover up for clandestine operations.

TO BE CONTINUED

http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Stages-of-I...
Attention MUQ

Sydney, Australia

#42474 Sep 15, 2013
MUQ Quran errors wrote:
MUQ there are thousands of errors in the Quran (lost in the translation from the Jewish book of T'ubah then ishmaelism into Islam).
Here is just a small sample.
Muslims claim that the Quran is perfect because God preserves 'his word', yet then they say the Bible is corrupt. If the Quran is based on the Bible and the Bible is corrupt, why would God
preserve the Quran? It's a another plot hole in
Islam & it's fake confected heretical origin.
Most of the Quran is copied via the Jewish Talmud, the Midrash, and other Pre Islamic 'books' written by the Red Sea Jews and copied or written to evolve into the Quran.
But the Arabs were ignorant and relied on others to write the Quran so they got many things wrong. For example ;
Christians worship three gods: the Father, the
Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus)(Sura 5:73-75, 116) Yusuf Ali's translation deliberately mistranslates Sura 5:73 by saying "They do
blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity". The words "in a Trinity" are not in the Arabic text. The Aramaic says, "Allah is the third of three".
Christians bow in prayer towards Jerusalem
(Sura 2:144, 145)
Wine and sex in heaven (Sura 2:25; 4:57; 11:23;
47:15). Was this not Muhammad's desire?
It took eight days to create the earth.(Sura 41:9,
10, 12 -- 4+4+2=8 days). The Bible says six
days. Other Suras say six days (7:51, 10:3)
One of the sons of Noah refused to go into the ark and was drowned in the flood (Sura 11:32-48). The Bible says all three went in.
The ark came to rest on Mount Judi (Sura
11:44). The Bible says it came to rest on Mount
Ararat. Abraham father's name was Azar (Sura 6:74). The Bible says it was Terah.
Abraham lived in the valley of Mecca which did
nor even exist in any form until 150 AD (Sura
14:37). The Bible says he lived in Hebron.
Abraham went to sacrifice Ishmael (Sura 37:100-112). The Bible says it was Isaac.
Abraham built the Kabah (Sura 2:125-127). The
Bible never mentions any Mecca or any kaaba and in fact the kaaba was not completed with a roof until 460AD - a well documented fact.
Abraham was thrown into a fire [by Nimrod]. The
tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod's fire came from the Jewish Midrash Rabbah and was incorporated into the Quran (see Suras
21:51-71; 37:97,98). Nimrod and Abraham did
not live at the same time.
In the Quran--Nimrod and Abraham, Haman and Moses, Mary and Aaron living together.
Thousands of years seperate them in fact.
Moses and the flood are found together, the tower of Babel and Pharaoh, also wrong.
Man who bought Joseph was named Aziz (Sura 12:21ff). The Bible says it was Potiphar.
Quran messes up Biblical roles: Goliath becomes Jalut, Saul becomes Talut, Enoch, Idris, John the
Baptist, Yahya, Jonah, Yunus, etc. A Pharaoh's wife adopted Moses (Sura 28:8, 9). Bible says it was Pharaoh's daughter. Noah's flood took place
in Moses day (Sura 7:136, 7:59).
Crucifixion was used in Pharaoh's time (Sura 7:124) Mary gave birth to Jesus under a palm
tree (Sura 19:22) Mary mother of Jesus is Moses' sister Miriam (Sura19:28). Made up miracles of
Mary (Sura 19:23-26). Zachariah could not speak for only three days (Sura 19:10). The test of how
soldiers drank water in the days of David and Saul (Sura 2:249, 250 was earlier with Gideon.
Abrah's army defeated by birds dropping stones on them. History says Abrah's army withdrew
after smallpox broke out. Sura 20:87, 95, the
Jews made the golden calf in the wilderness at the suggestion of Samaritans- no Samaritans at that time. Alexander the Great was a Muslim and
worshipped Allah and lived to an old age (Sura 18:89-98)!!(Yusuf Ali and the Concise Dictionary of Islam confirm that Zul-qarinain in the Quran is Alexander the Great..).

The Quran is a confected heretical and incorrect mish mash of bad plagiarism with a moon god Allah thrown in.
Muq, there seems to be at least 47 serious errors in the Koran, or is it 48 ? How many do you count ?

Since: Jun 12

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#42476 Sep 15, 2013
STAGE TWO: CONSOLIDATION OF POWER

Proselytizing efforts increase.
Establishment and recruitment of fundamentalist Jihadi cells.
Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population of target non-Muslim society to Islam.
Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
Efforts to destroy all evidence of incriminating historical evidence and sources that reveal true character of Islamism.
Intellectual Jihad to discredit non-Muslim culture.
Assault on cultural assumptions and icons of the non-Muslim world, such as democracy, law and science.
Increased dissemination of anti-western propaganda and anti-western psychological warfare.
Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (Communists, socialists, anti westerns activists, anti-globalists, anarchists).
Alliances with the enemies of the Western society particularly anti capitalism leftists. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint. Efforts to infiltrate education system to propagate pro-Islamic points of view.
Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslim intellectuals and leaders.
Efforts to introduce blasphemy laws into non-Muslim society in order to silence critics.
Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and migration to target non-Muslim society.
Use of first and second generation Muslim citizens of target non-Muslim society as Jihadist foot soldiers and public fronts.
Use of charities to recruit supporters.
Use of crime and fraud to obtain funds to finance activities.
Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of non-Muslim society from within.
Development of Muslim political base in target non-Muslim society. Efforts to penetrate political and legal structure of country so as to support Islamic growth from within.
Use of bribes and blackmail of non-Muslim authorities to get them to disregard establishment of subversive activities.
Islamic Financial networks strengthened to fund political growth, large acquisition of land and resources by any means.(Today they are funded by Muslim charities; Gulf countries Oil revenue and criminal activities).
Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
Tolerance of non-Muslims diminishes and greater demands are placed upon Muslims to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives stores in hidden locations in target non-Muslim society.
Continuous and covert attacks and challenges against target non-Muslim society leaders and religious symbols.
Overt disregard and rejection of target non-Muslim society's legal system and culture.
Efforts to undermine and destroy power base of non-Muslim religions such as Jews, Christians, Hindus or Buddhists in target non-Muslim society.
Efforts to destroy the social structure of the country and bring the downfall of non-Muslim government.
Use of Islamic gangs in campaign of fear and terror against Jews, Christians, Hindus and non-Muslims to reduce their populations and influence in the target non-Muslim society.

TO BE CONTINUED

http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Stages-of-I...

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#42477 Sep 15, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
They are part of a global stealth jihad plan by Muslims to install a worldwide caliphate. They will use the democracy of their host countries to implement their plan. If you look around the world it is quite obvious to anyone who understands their aims to see what is happening
I see it myself but I wanted the Islamic spin.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42478 Sep 15, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
What you have failed to mention is that God, in that same bible that you are referring to stated that Isaac was the promised seed not Ishmael and that it was Issac who God asked Abraham to sacrifice not Ishmael.Kind of shows the misrepresentation of the bible that Muslims are well known for. They will pick and choose what fits in with their own false ideology and teachings. Keep reading MUG and the truth will set you free
Go and read your Bible and find out "How Come Isaac became ONLY son of Abraham"?

At NO TIME, Isaac was the ONLY SON of Abraham, while Ishmael for 13 years was the ONLY SON of Abraham!!

Go and read your Bible, not as they preach you from pulpit, but try to understand it.

We do not insult Isaac in any way, but you people cannot digest your food, unless you put in some insulting words and reduce the stature of Ishmael, the first born son of Prophet Abraham, whom he prayed for.

It is not the love of Isaac, but the hate of Ishmael, which is driving force behind your arguments.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#42479 Sep 15, 2013
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Obama, The US And The Muslim World: The Animosity Deepens

Another new poll, this one of Pakistan, shows: a central promise of Obama for improving US security is an utter failure

By Glenn Greenwald

February 15, 2013 "The Guardian"--- In his first inaugural address, back in 2009, Barack Obama announced: "To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect." Improving how the US was perceived among the world's 1.6 billion Muslims was not about winning an international popularity contest but was deemed as vital to US national security. Even the Pentagon has long recognized that the primary cause of anti-American Terrorism is the "negative attitude" toward the US: obviously, the reason people in that part of the world want to attack the US - as opposed to Peru or South Africa or China - is because they perceive a reason to do so.

Obama's most devoted supporters have long hailed his supposedly unique ability to improve America's standing in that part of the world. In his first of what would be many paeans to Obama, Andrew Sullivan wrote back in 2007 that among Obama's countless assets, "first and foremost [is] his face", which would provide "the most effective potential re-branding of the United States since Reagan".

Sullivan specifically imagined a "young Pakistani Muslim" seeing Obama as "the new face of America"; instantly, proclaimed Sullivan, "America's soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm". Obama would be "the crudest but most effective weapon against the demonization of America that fuels Islamist ideology" because it "proves them wrong about what America is in ways no words can". Sullivan made clear why this matters so much: "such a re-branding is not trivial - it's central to an effective war strategy."

None of that has happened. In fact, the opposite has taken place: although it seemed impossible to achieve, Obama has presided over an America that, in many respects, is now even more unpopular in the Muslim world than it was under George Bush and Dick Cheney.

That is simply a fact. Poll after poll has proven it. In July, 2011, the Washington Post reported: "The hope that the Arab world had not long ago put in the United States and President Obama has all but evaporated." Citing a poll of numerous Middle East countries that had just been released, the Post explained: "In most countries surveyed, favorable attitudes toward the United States dropped to levels lower than they were during the last year of the Bush administration."

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42480 Sep 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Go and read your Bible and find out "How Come Isaac became ONLY son of Abraham"?
At NO TIME, Isaac was the ONLY SON of Abraham, while Ishmael for 13 years was the ONLY SON of Abraham!!
Go and read your Bible, not as they preach you from pulpit, but try to understand it.
We do not insult Isaac in any way, but you people cannot digest your food, unless you put in some insulting words and reduce the stature of Ishmael, the first born son of Prophet Abraham, whom he prayed for.
It is not the love of Isaac, but the hate of Ishmael, which is driving force behind your arguments.
I don't need to go and read my bible, you are the one who needs revision. Ishmael may have been the first born son of Abraham AND AN EGYPTIAN CONCUBINE BUT HE WAS NOT THE PROMISED SEED. READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF IF YOU DARE.The promised seed came from Abraham and SARAH not some ring in called Hagar WHO BELONGED TO SARAH.If Abraham had control over Hagar which he didn't God still didn't support Ishmael. No I don't hate Ishmael so trying to put your false words into my mouth will not work. The fact is God rejected Ishmael as HIS promised seed and even Abraham acknowledged this. God stated that Ishmael would be blessed but not with the land and not with his promise
Simo

Melbourne, Australia

#42481 Sep 15, 2013
Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

http://rt.com/news/iraq-violence-sectarian-ex...

Because they try to kill each others Muslim Children,

Child Killers and Molesters, a truly distasteful people.

Look at the ones that post here Pathetic Monkeys

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