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I brilliant or what LLOL

Camperdown, Australia

#42435 Sep 15, 2013
In the United States, these concerns of the Israel lobby are given ideological and institutional expression by such influential advisors as Samantha Power, Madeleine Albright and the two Abramowitz’s (Morton the father and Michael the son, in charge of “genocide prevention efforts” at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum). The argument is used repeatedly that because “we” did not intervene quickly enough against Auschwitz, we have an obligation to intervene militarily to prevent other possible slaughters.

On September 6, the Cleveland Jewish News published a letter from “leading rabbis” urging Congress to support President Obama’s plans to strike Syria.“We write you as descendants of Holocaust survivors and refugees, whose ancestors were gassed to death in concentration camps,” the letter said. By authorizing bombing raids, the rabbis said,“Congress has the capacity to save thousands of lives”…

Without such dramatization, obscuring the reality of each new crisis with images of the Holocaust, the whole notion that the best way to promote human rights and protect populations is to wage unilateral wars, destroy what is left of the international legal order and spread chaos would be seen for the absurdity it is. Only the fervor of the champions of Israel enables such emotional arguments to swamp reasonable discussion.

But one may reasonably ask what are the interests of Israel itself in inciting the United States to fight in Syria? Israelis seem to have frightened themselves into believing that the very existence of another power in the region, namely Iran, amounts to an existential threat. But the mere fact that a policy is pursued does not mean that it is necessarily in the interests of those who pursue it. That is again ignoring the “ocean of human folly”. Napoleon and Hitler had no interest or desire in bringing Russian troops to Paris or Berlin, but their policies led to precisely that. The emperors of Germany, Austria and Russia had no interest in launching the First World War, since, in the end, they all lost their thrones as a result of the war. But launch it they did. The future is unpredictable, and that is why it is difficult to deduce intentions from consequences. Israel’s hostile policy toward its neighbors can reasonably be seen as self-defeating in the long run.

Oddly enough, some observers deny the obvious, arguing that Bashar al Assad has allowed Israel to occupy Syrian territory on the Golan Heights and has kept the border quiet (without explaining what else he could have done, given the relationship of forces) and concluding that Israel has no interest in toppling him. But what matters is that Assad is allied with Hezbollah and with Iran. Israel hates Hezbollah for its successful resistance to Israeli occupation of Lebanon, and sees Iran as the only potential challenge to Israeli military supremacy in the region.

Even so, it is not certain that Israel’s war aim would be to overthrow Assad. A clue to Israel’s strategy is provided by a September 5 article in the New York Times[10]:“Israeli officials have consistently made the case that enforcing Mr. Obama’s narrow ‘red line’ on Syria is essential to halting the nuclear ambitions of Israel’s archenemy, Iran. More quietly, Israelis have increasingly argued that the best outcome for Syria’s two-and-a-half-year-old civil war, at least for the moment, is no outcome. For Jerusalem, the status quo, horrific as it may be from a humanitarian perspective, seems preferable to either a victory by Mr. Assad’s government and his Iranian backers or a strengthening of rebel groups, increasingly dominated by Sunni jihadis.”

“This is a playoff situation in which you need both teams to lose, but at least you don’t want one to win — we’ll settle for a tie,” said Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli consul general in New York.“Let them both bleed, hemorrhage to death: that’s the strategic thinking here. As long as this lingers, there’s no real threat from Syria.”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42436 Sep 15, 2013
I brilliant or what LLOL wrote:
You're about as brilliant as a pig in shit. You obviously don't understand, or choose to ignore prophecy. What is happening now has already been predicted in the bible and you are just a baby wailing and trying to suck your dummy at the same time.Wait till you see the final conclusion. If you are still alive you will be on your knees crying like the baby that you are. LOL
I brilliant or what LLOL

Camperdown, Australia

#42437 Sep 15, 2013
So, the real goal of the limited strikes (and the reason why they ought to be limited) would be to send a message to Iran, about its nonexistent nuclear arms program and, in Syria, let both sides “bleed to death”. How nice! Waging a war based on the flimsiest of evidence only to prolong a bloody conflict may not be a very moral endeavor for all those who claim to act out of passion for “our values” and for deep concern over the “suffering of the Syrian people”.

In its zeal to serve what it considers Israel’s interests, AIPAC and its affiliates practice deception concerning the issues at stake. The lobby misrepresents the interests of the United States, and even ignores the long term interests of the Jewish people whom it often claims to represent. It is pure folly for a minority, however powerful and respected, to try to impose an unpopular war on the majority. Since Israel often claims to represent the Jewish people as a whole, if the majority of Americans are forced to pay an unacceptable price for “defending Israel”, sooner or later voices will be raised blaming “the Jews”. Indeed, this can be seen by a brief look at what already gets written, anonymously of course, on social media, ranging from various conspiracy theories to outright Jew-bashing.

We, who are totally opposed to the notion of collective guilt, wish to avoid such an outcome. Far from being anti-Semitic, we deplore all forms of “identity politics” that ignore the diversity within every human group. We simply want to be able to say “no” openly to the pro-Israel lobby without being subjected to moral intimidation. This has nothing to do with Jewish religion or identity or culture: it is entirely political. We claim our right to refuse to be drawn into somebody else’s war. We believe that these endless wars are not “good for the Jews”– or for anyone else. We want to contribute to efforts at mutual understanding, diplomacy, compromise and disarmament. In short, to strengthen “the fragile barque of human reason” adrift on the ocean of human folly. Otherwise, that folly may drown us all.

For now, the threat of war has been avoided, or at least “postponed”. Let us not forget that Iraq and Libya also gave up their weapons of mass destruction, only to be attacked later. Syria is likely to abandon its chemical weapons, but without any guarantee that the rebels, much less Israel, won’t retain such weapons. The popular mobilization against the war, probably the first one in history to stop a war before it starts, has been intense but may be short-lived. Those whose war plans have been interrupted can be expected to come up with new maneuvers to regain the initiative. These past days have given a glimpse of what can be accomplished when people wake up and say no to war. This must be an inspiration for continued efforts to make diplomacy prevail over bullying, and mutual disarmament over endless war. If people really want peace, it can be possible.

JEAN BRICMONT teaches physics at the University of Louvain in Belgium. He is author of Humanitarian Imperialism. He can be reached at Jean.Bricmont@uclouvain.be

DIANA JOHNSTONE is author of Fools Crusade: Yugoslavia, NATO and Western Delusions. She lives in Paris and can be reached at diana.josto@yahoo.fr

Notes.

[1] http://www.uruknet.de/...

[2] http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-intellig...

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-intellig...

[3] For a discussion of the “evidence,” see, for example, Gareth Porter: How Intelligence Was to Support an Attack on Syria, http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/18559-how-... .

[4] http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense...

[5] http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/09/0...
Good Aussies

Walnut, CA

#42438 Sep 15, 2013
You and MUQ are still uncivilized anti-White barbarians, and you're time is coming.

Whether we have to have a civil war for your cube God of Saturn (search nasa image hexagon on Saturn, Kaaba is cube in Arabic, Jews put a cube on their head while praying), doesn't matter.

White Europeans are the highest pinnacle of civilisation on this earth and the punishment for your recalcitrance will be forthright and exacting.

Yours sincerely, nature.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42439 Sep 15, 2013
I brilliant or what LLOL wrote:
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You are such a boring poster, like anyone is going to read your long winded posts!! How has anything you have posted had any relevance to the topic of this thread??????????LMAO
MUQ more taqiyya

Sydney, Australia

#42440 Sep 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not at any place, Quran says that Heavens is reserved for Arabs, It never addresses believer as O Arab or O people of Arabia.... it always addresses them as "O you who believe!".
Our prophet , peace be on him said "There is no superiority of an Arab over a non Arab, or a Non Arab over and Arab, nor a red man over black or a black one over read. You all are from Adam and Adam was created from dust".
Can you remember any one saying this 1400 years back? Search the history book!!
PS:
I like you idea, "Indian Muslims are leftover of Jizya"..
That was a "Nice" line.
Leftovers of Jizya, defending Islam!!
MUQ - you lie once again. Your a sad little liar.
There are many phrases in the Quran that proclaim Islam is only for Arab (on fact for followers in Mecca only...) and we all know the quran is a confected mish mash of lies.
There is Sura after Sura and them many hadeeth
about how only Arabs only can go go heaven.
This is why the Rohinga & Hagaria are persecuted and killed by other muslims.
Every Arab 'has to wash themselves' if they come into contact with an Indian Muslim.
And within indian Muslim is a caste system - with the jizya tax collectors (for the mughals or mongols who enslaved Indians in Islam) and then the slaves or lower castes.
The British freed the Hindu from the enslavement of Islam and put them in their own reservations (pak & banglo) to contain the virus. However some indian remnants of jizya stayed on and breed like rats - Indian Muslims are the most
inbred society on earth with generic defect rates approaching 32% child mortality, why they overbreed with their sisters & cousins.
Then we have Sunni & Wahhabi claims that all Shia are 'unbelievers' as well (Pak parliament moves to declare all Shia as unbelievers - this is also racially motivated).
So face facts - there is no unifying Islam and all of Islam is at war with itself. Within Islam is massive racial & belief segregation - Arabs and then all other muslims are subjugated 'slaves' or else non believers that pay jizya.
Indian Muslims were either jizya collectors or else weak Hindu that became Muslim rather than showing strength and devoutness to their own religion. So all Indian Muslims are corrupt and/or weak people - that is their ancestry.
-
As an indian wannabe wahhibist you are wasting
your time as no Arab is ever going to accept you as a brother or share a houri in Allah heaven with you.
If the Arabs have to wash themselves after you are in the same room as them.... then do you really think they accept you as the same as them or going to the same heaven ?
Muq -
Go read the Quran & hadeeth and better understand the sickness of Islam and your false & naive beliefs.
MUQ Quran errors

Sydney, Australia

#42441 Sep 15, 2013
MUQ there are thousands of errors in the Quran (lost in the translation from the Jewish book of T'ubah then ishmaelism into Islam).
Here is just a small sample.

Muslims claim that the Quran is perfect because God preserves 'his word', yet then they say the Bible is corrupt. If the Quran is based on the Bible and the Bible is corrupt, why would God
preserve the Quran? It's a another plot hole in Islam & it's fake confected heretical origin.

Most of the Quran is copied via the Jewish Talmud, the Midrash, and other Pre Islamic 'books' written by the Red Sea Jews and copied or written to evolve into the Quran.
But the Arabs were ignorant and relied on others to write the Quran so they got many things wrong. For example ;
Christians worship three gods: the Father, the
Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus)(Sura 5:73-75, 116) Yusuf Ali's translation deliberately mistranslates Sura 5:73 by saying "They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity". The words "in a Trinity" are not in the Arabic text. The Aramaic says, "Allah is the third of three".
Christians bow in prayer towards Jerusalem (Sura 2:144, 145)
Wine and sex in heaven (Sura 2:25; 4:57; 11:23; 47:15). Was this not Muhammad's desire?
It took eight days to create the earth.(Sura 41:9,
10, 12 -- 4+4+2=8 days). The Bible says six days. Other Suras say six days (7:51, 10:3)
One of the sons of Noah refused to go into the ark and was drowned in the flood (Sura 11:32-48). The Bible says all three went in.
The ark came to rest on Mount Judi (Sura 11:44). The Bible says it came to rest on Mount
Ararat. Abraham father's name was Azar (Sura 6:74). The Bible says it was Terah.
Abraham lived in the valley of Mecca which did nor even exist in any form until 150 AD (Sura
14:37). The Bible says he lived in Hebron.
Abraham went to sacrifice Ishmael (Sura 37:100-112). The Bible says it was Isaac.
Abraham built the Kabah (Sura 2:125-127). The Bible never mentions any Mecca or any kaaba and in fact the kaaba was not completed with a roof until 460AD - a well documented fact.
Abraham was thrown into a fire [by Nimrod]. The tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod's fire came from the Jewish Midrash Rabbah and was incorporated into the Quran (see Suras 21:51-71; 37:97,98). Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time.
In the Quran--Nimrod and Abraham, Haman and Moses, Mary and Aaron living together. Thousands of years seperate them in fact.
Moses and the flood are found together, the tower of Babel and Pharaoh, also wrong.
Man who bought Joseph was named Aziz (Sura 12:21ff). The Bible says it was Potiphar.
Quran messes up Biblical roles: Goliath becomes Jalut, Saul becomes Talut, Enoch, Idris, John the Baptist, Yahya, Jonah, Yunus, etc. A Pharaoh's wife adopted Moses (Sura 28:8, 9). Bible says it was Pharaoh's daughter. Noah's flood took place in Moses day (Sura 7:136, 7:59).
Crucifixion was used in Pharaoh's time (Sura 7:124) Mary gave birth to Jesus under a palm tree (Sura 19:22) Mary mother of Jesus is Moses' sister Miriam (Sura19:28). Made up miracles of Mary (Sura 19:23-26). Zachariah could not speak for only three days (Sura 19:10). The test of how soldiers drank water in the days of David and Saul (Sura 2:249, 250 was earlier with Gideon.
Abrah's army defeated by birds dropping stones on them. History says Abrah's army withdrew
after smallpox broke out. Sura 20:87, 95, the Jews made the golden calf in the wilderness at the suggestion of Samaritans- no Samaritans at that time. Alexander the Great was a Muslim and worshipped Allah and lived to an old age (Sura 18:89-98)!!(Yusuf Ali and the Concise Dictionary of Islam confirm that Zul-qarinain in the Quran is Alexander the Great..).
The Quran is a confected heretical and incorrect mish mash of bad plagiarism with a moon god Allah thrown in.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#42442 Sep 15, 2013
its actually as simple as islam is evil

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#42443 Sep 15, 2013
Rauf lala wrote:
<quoted text>ask Shielaa
I am asking you

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#42444 Sep 15, 2013
MUQ Quran errors wrote:
MUQ there are thousands of errors in the Quran (lost in the translation from the Jewish book of T'ubah then ishmaelism into Islam).
Here is just a small sample.
Muslims claim that the Quran is perfect because God preserves 'his word', yet then they say the Bible is corrupt. If the Quran is based on the Bible and the Bible is corrupt, why would God
preserve the Quran? It's a another plot hole in Islam & it's fake confected heretical origin.
Most of the Quran is copied via the Jewish Talmud, the Midrash, and other Pre Islamic 'books' written by the Red Sea Jews and copied or written to evolve into the Quran.
But the Arabs were ignorant and relied on others to write the Quran so they got many things wrong. For example ;
Christians worship three gods: the Father, the
Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus)(Sura 5:73-75, 116) Yusuf Ali's translation deliberately mistranslates Sura 5:73 by saying "They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity". The words "in a Trinity" are not in the Arabic text. The Aramaic says, "Allah is the third of three".
Christians bow in prayer towards Jerusalem (Sura 2:144, 145)
Wine and sex in heaven (Sura 2:25; 4:57; 11:23; 47:15). Was this not Muhammad's desire?
It took eight days to create the earth.(Sura 41:9,
10, 12 -- 4+4+2=8 days). The Bible says six days. Other Suras say six days (7:51, 10:3)
One of the sons of Noah refused to go into the ark and was drowned in the flood (Sura 11:32-48). The Bible says all three went in.
The ark came to rest on Mount Judi (Sura 11:44). The Bible says it came to rest on Mount
Ararat. Abraham father's name was Azar (Sura 6:74). The Bible says it was Terah.
Abraham lived in the valley of Mecca which did nor even exist in any form until 150 AD (Sura
14:37). The Bible says he lived in Hebron.
Abraham went to sacrifice Ishmael (Sura 37:100-112). The Bible says it was Isaac.
Abraham built the Kabah (Sura 2:125-127). The Bible never mentions any Mecca or any kaaba and in fact the kaaba was not completed with a roof until 460AD - a well documented fact.
Abraham was thrown into a fire [by Nimrod]. The tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod's fire came from the Jewish Midrash Rabbah and was incorporated into the Quran (see Suras 21:51-71; 37:97,98). Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time.
In the Quran--Nimrod and Abraham, Haman and Moses, Mary and Aaron living together. Thousands of years seperate them in fact.
Moses and the flood are found together, the tower of Babel and Pharaoh, also wrong.
Man who bought Joseph was named Aziz (Sura 12:21ff). The Bible says it was Potiphar.
Quran messes up Biblical roles: Goliath becomes Jalut, Saul becomes Talut, Enoch, Idris, John the Baptist, Yahya, Jonah, Yunus, etc. A Pharaoh's wife adopted Moses (Sura 28:8, 9). Bible says it was Pharaoh's daughter. Noah's flood took place in Moses day (Sura 7:136, 7:59).
Crucifixion was used in Pharaoh's time (Sura 7:124) Mary gave birth to Jesus under a palm tree (Sura 19:22) Mary mother of Jesus is Moses' sister Miriam (Sura19:28). Made up miracles of Mary (Sura 19:23-26). Zachariah could not speak for only three days (Sura 19:10). The test of how soldiers drank water in the days of David and Saul (Sura 2:249, 250 was earlier with Gideon.
Abrah's army defeated by birds dropping stones on them. History says Abrah's army withdrew
after smallpox broke out. Sura 20:87, 95, the Jews made the golden calf in the wilderness at the suggestion of Samaritans- no Samaritans at that time. Alexander the Great was a Muslim and worshipped Allah and lived to an old age (Sura 18:89-98)!!(Yusuf Ali and the Concise Dictionary of Islam confirm that Zul-qarinain in the Quran is Alexander the Great..).
The Quran is a confected heretical and incorrect mish mash of bad plagiarism with a moon god Allah thrown in.
Please register on Topix so I can tell you something on the internal message stick ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#42445 Sep 15, 2013
I brilliant or what LLOL wrote:
So, the real goal of the limited strikes (and the reason why they ought to be limited) would be to send a message to Iran, about its nonexistent nuclear arms program and, in Syria, let both sides “bleed to death”. How nice! Waging a war based on the flimsiest of evidence only to prolong a bloody conflict may not be a very moral endeavor for all those who claim to act out of passion for “our values” and for deep concern over the “suffering of the Syrian people”.
In its zeal to serve what it considers Israel’s interests, AIPAC and its affiliates practice deception concerning the issues at stake. The lobby misrepresents the interests of the United States, and even ignores the long term interests of the Jewish people whom it often claims to represent. It is pure folly for a minority, however powerful and respected, to try to impose an unpopular war on the majority. Since Israel often claims to represent the Jewish people as a whole, if the majority of Americans are forced to pay an unacceptable price for “defending Israel”, sooner or later voices will be raised blaming “the Jews”. Indeed, this can be seen by a brief look at what already gets written, anonymously of course, on social media, ranging from various conspiracy theories to outright Jew-bashing.
We, who are totally opposed to the notion of collective guilt, wish to avoid such an outcome. Far from being anti-Semitic, we deplore all forms of “identity politics” that ignore the diversity within every human group. We simply want to be able to say “no” openly to the pro-Israel lobby without being subjected to moral intimidation. This has nothing to do with Jewish religion or identity or culture: it is entirely political. We claim our right to refuse to be drawn into somebody else’s war. We believe that these endless wars are not “good for the Jews”– or for anyone else. We want to contribute to efforts at mutual understanding, diplomacy, compromise and disarmament. In short, to strengthen “the fragile barque of human reason” adrift on the ocean of human folly. Otherwise, that folly may drown us all.
For now, the threat of war has been avoided, or at least “postponed”. Let us not forget that Iraq and Libya also gave up their weapons of mass destruction, only to be attacked later. Syria is likely to abandon its chemical weapons, but without any guarantee that the rebels, much less Israel, won’t retain such weapons. The popular mobilization against the war, probably the first one in history to stop a war before it starts, has been intense but may be short-lived. Those whose war plans have been interrupted can be expected to come up with new maneuvers to regain the initiative. These past days have given a glimpse of what can be accomplished when people wake up and say no to war. This must be an inspiration for continued efforts to make diplomacy prevail over bullying, and mutual disarmament over endless war. If people really want peace, it can be possible.
JEAN BRICMONT teaches physics at the University of Louvain in Belgium. He is author of Humanitarian Imperialism. He can be reached at Jean.Bricmont@uclouvain.be
DIANA JOHNSTONE is author of Fools Crusade: Yugoslavia, NATO and Western Delusions. She lives in Paris and can be reached at diana.josto@yahoo.fr
Notes.
[1] http://www.uruknet.de/...
[2] http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-intellig...
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-intellig...
[3] For a discussion of the “evidence,” see, for example, Gareth Porter: How Intelligence Was to Support an Attack on Syria, http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/18559-how-... .
[4] http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense...
[5] http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/09/0...
In what you have reprinted what is actual fact ?
Rauf lala

Ashburn, VA

#42446 Sep 15, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
It is Sheila, not Sheilaa
hi Sheilaa, do you know Bulgarian sexy bytch Milena?
Rauf lala

Ashburn, VA

#42447 Sep 15, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
In what you have reprinted what is actual fact ?
hey monkey, go back to your cage and eat banana.

Muslims will rule Australia. We will put white aussie men in cages and white aussie women in our beds.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#42449 Sep 15, 2013
Rauf lala wrote:
<quoted text>hey monkey, go back to your cage and eat banana.
Muslims will rule Australia. We will put white aussie men in cages and white aussie women in our beds.
Put a sock in it you devil worshipping fool, servant of satan, every time you write something you make a bigger fool of yourself.
Rauf lala

Ashburn, VA

#42450 Sep 15, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
Put a sock in it you devil worshipping fool, servant of satan, every time you write something you make a bigger fool of yourself.
ya allah ya amin

this sid monkey gone mad, please forgive him, give him Mohammad's holy dik to suck.

Masha Allah, Rasagullah.
Tim

Malvern East, Australia

#42451 Sep 15, 2013
I brilliant or what LLOL wrote:
In the United States, these concerns of the Israel lobby are given ideological and institutional expression by such influential advisors as Samantha Power, Madeleine Albright and the two Abramowitz’s (Morton the father and Michael the son, in charge of “genocide prevention efforts” at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum). The argument is used repeatedly that because “we” did not intervene quickly enough against Auschwitz, we have an obligation to intervene militarily to prevent other possible slaughters.
On September 6, the Cleveland Jewish News published a letter from “leading rabbis” urging Congress to support President Obama’s plans to strike Syria.“We write you as descendants of Holocaust survivors and refugees, whose ancestors were gassed to death in concentration camps,” the letter said. By authorizing bombing raids, the rabbis said,“Congress has the capacity to save thousands of lives”…
Without such dramatization, obscuring the reality of each new crisis with images of the Holocaust, the whole notion that the best way to promote human rights and protect populations is to wage unilateral wars, destroy what is left of the international legal order and spread chaos would be seen for the absurdity it is. Only the fervor of the champions of Israel enables such emotional arguments to swamp reasonable discussion.
But one may reasonably ask what are the interests of Israel itself in inciting the United States to fight in Syria? Israelis seem to have frightened themselves into believing that the very existence of another power in the region, namely Iran, amounts to an existential threat. But the mere fact that a policy is pursued does not mean that it is necessarily in the interests of those who pursue it. That is again ignoring the “ocean of human folly”. Napoleon and Hitler had no interest or desire in bringing Russian troops to Paris or Berlin, but their policies led to precisely that. The emperors of Germany, Austria and Russia had no interest in launching the First World War, since, in the end, they all lost their thrones as a result of the war. But launch it they did. The future is unpredictable, and that is why it is difficult to deduce intentions from consequences. Israel’s hostile policy toward its neighbors can reasonably be seen as self-defeating in the long run.
Oddly enough, some observers deny the obvious, arguing that Bashar al Assad has allowed Israel to occupy Syrian territory on the Golan Heights and has kept the border quiet (without explaining what else he could have done, given the relationship of forces) and concluding that Israel has no interest in toppling him. But what matters is that Assad is allied with Hezbollah and with Iran. Israel hates Hezbollah for its successful resistance to Israeli occupation of Lebanon, and sees Iran as the only potential challenge to Israeli military supremacy in the region.
Even so, it is not certain that Israel’s war aim would be to overthrow Assad. A clue to Israel’s strategy is provided by a September 5 article in the New York Times[10]:“Israeli officials have consistently made the case that enforcing Mr. Obama’s narrow ‘red line’ on Syria is essential to halting the nuclear ambitions of Israel’s archenemy, Iran. More quietly, Israelis have increasingly argued that the best outcome for Syria’s two-and-a-half-year-old civil war, at least for the moment, is no outcome. For Jerusalem, the status quo, horrific as it may be from a humanitarian perspective, seems preferable to either a victor a tie,” said Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli consul general in New York.“Let them both bleed, hemorrhage to death: that’s the strategic thinking here. As long as this lingers, there’s no real threat from Syria.”
Why are you here then ? What load Shiite , you Dumb Monkey Fool !

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#42452 Sep 15, 2013
Rauf lala wrote:
<quoted text>hey monkey, go back to your cage and eat banana.
Muslims will rule Australia. We will put white aussie men in cages and white aussie women in our beds.
Will you celebrate by downing a few cold schooners of camel piss ?
By the way Ralph how is your sex change coming along ?
Have you worked out yet which sex you would want to be ?
Tim

Malvern East, Australia

#42453 Sep 15, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
Put a sock in it you devil worshipping fool, servant of satan, every time you write something you make a bigger fool of yourself.
Right on brother,
Their culture is a failure
Their religion is a failure
They are a failure

In 200 years Anglo Saxons achieved more than the middle east did 42 thousand years .

Losers.... Suck it up ... Bmufcuks
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42454 Sep 15, 2013
NT wrote:
1. God says differently so does that mean you are a liar ?

2. Check out where Ishmael came from and who his parents were ?
Ans.

1. How you say that God says it differently? Where is your proof?

2. As for as I know and how much Bible gives the genealogical tables, Prophet Ishmael's father was prophet Abraham and his mother was Hagar , a princess of Egypt, whom king of Egypt had given to serve Sarah the first wife of prophet Abraham.

Later Sarah, seeing that she was childless, gave Hagar as a wife to Abraham.

I do not know, what your objection about Ishmael is. Considering that in no less than 11 places in Bible, God calls Ishmael as a Son and Seed of Abraham.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#42455 Sep 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
1. How you say that God says it differently? Where is your proof?
2. As for as I know and how much Bible gives the genealogical tables, Prophet Ishmael's father was prophet Abraham and his mother was Hagar , a princess of Egypt, whom king of Egypt had given to serve Sarah the first wife of prophet Abraham.
Later Sarah, seeing that she was childless, gave Hagar as a wife to Abraham.
I do not know, what your objection about Ishmael is. Considering that in no less than 11 places in Bible, God calls Ishmael as a Son and Seed of Abraham.
I am the living proof MUQ .

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