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Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46763 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42330 Sep 10, 2013
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

The Real State Of The Union Is Bleak

By James Kunstler

February 13, 2013 "Information Clearing House" - The fog of chatter about Federal Reserve money-printing shenanigans, currency wars, fiscal intransigence, exchange rates, and alphabetized rescue operations conceals the central reality of the historical moment: that all industrial economies now face epic contraction, even rip-roaring China in its absurd and spectacular bid to become the latest drive-in utopia.

The so-called advanced nations of the world are all sliding toward something less than they wish to be, and the so-called developing nations will backslide further into poverty and anarchy where development will never happen. The implacable contraction underway is the simple result of growing scarcity of cheap oil, the master resource.

Thus, in a world where fantasy has replaced analysis, the propaganda channels brim with false news of America's coming "energy independence" and the rebirth of domestic manufacturing, the coming electric car fleet, and space tourism.

There is also chatter among the paranoid that an imagined elite has deliberately engineered American collapse for fun and profit, with sideshows about the Department of Homeland Security promoting social upheaval in order to make a show of putting it down. This is all b.s. concealing the futile machinations of people so unfortunate as to hold political office in an unraveling they can't control. Where control is no longer possible, paranoid fantasies fill the vacuum of wishing for control.

One thing you can be sure of: the current sociopolitical weather will change. A front will blow through and sweep the fog away. So many circles of hazard are spinning around events that some fast-turning object will come off its axis and start smashing all the fantasies.

When that happens, it will be every community for itself, and where there are no real communities -- for instance, the vast matrix of suburban noplaces that America emergently composed itself out of in a tragic quest to become its own televised fantasy -- we'll discover the dark side of the "liberty" that so-called conservatives endlessly invoke, in all its screaming eagle iconography.

Not since the Civil War (1861 - 65) has anything bad of this scale happened within the United States itself and the public is unprepared despite our total immersion in the on-screen ersatz heroics of avatars such as Dwayne Johnson. The terrible convulsion of the 1860s was preceded by a political time much like ours is now, with figures (calling them leaders is inaccurate) of no conviction backpedaling furiously toward strife.

Remember these things if you tune in to watch President Obama move his lips on Tuesday amid the incessant applause in the House chamber. He'll speak the words "climate change" and the hall will rock with thunderous handclapping -- but it won't mean anything because both the president and the people have no intention of changing the way we live. Mr. Obama will cheerlead for economic growth and he will be talking out of his ass. It's the nature of this contraction that economic growth is absent.

MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42331 Sep 10, 2013
Contd.

You can have plenty of economic activity -- especially if you re-form (literally) the systems we depend on, such as farming, commerce, medicine, and transportation -- but it won't be expressed favorably in the GDP stats or the balance sheets of CitiGroup and Morgan Stanley. At the core of this contraction is the disappearing act of real capital -- that is, accumulated wealth -- for the excellent reason that we are squandering what remains of it in the futile effort to keep living the way we do.

But it will be vanishing fast, contrary to the view of such fantasists as David Leonhardt, Washington bureau chief of The New York Times -- catch him on the current Slate Political Gabfest -- who thinks that the Growth Fairy is about to land on the south lawn of the White House.

The State of the Union Address is happening in a peculiar quiet moment when all the financial brushfires of the time have been reduced temporarily to a smolder that conceals the full involvement of the roots under the surface. Our economic system is burning down. Nobody wants to talk about the system that will have to replace it, which I call a world made by hand.

The fortunate few will be those who have already established themselves in an authentic community of helping hands, who have some tools -- and I don't mean Adobe Photoshop or the latest iPhone app -- and laid in some bits of silver and gold.

James Kunstler is the editor of www.Kunstler.com
JBH

Vancouver, Canada

#42332 Sep 10, 2013
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Obama Says Diplomatic Solution On Syria Is Possible
Presidents makes his case directly to the American people
by David Mark

President Barack Obama addresses the nation in a live televised speech from the East Room of the White House in Washington, Tuesday, Sept. 10, 2013.
Obama argued it is in U.S. national security interests for Syria to face consequences for chemical weapons use.
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From the above report , Obama seems to be backing down by calling diplomatic solution because he is under International pressure, and in US TOO, that Obama was merely bluffing by saying to strike Syria. BY limited scope and duration, that means US would not use 80,000 troops (scope), but if ever would strike, that would BE for one or a few days only (duration), and would just use some cruise missiles or some bombers to bomb sarin gas facilities (however, if hit sarin storage WAREHOUSING, would explode poisoned gas AS THAT IS also CONTRADICTION.)
That is also ridiculous by Obama calling everything AS consequences for chemical weapons use, because that is the way to do aggression around the world, related to transgression to Iran, North Korea too. However, by Obama saying of that, the whole world people are being endangered instead, by US military, including the Russians.
It is embarrassing and a big laughter that PUTIN IS ANOTHER robot of "SIMON SAYS". When US says --Simon says, "Put your hands on your head", then Putin would really put his hands on the head. When US says North Korea must not have nuke weapons--Putin, you do as Simon says that Putin is to tell and work to NK so as having no nuclear weapons. As is the same thing to Syria, Putin--do as Simon says.
But US is a big country with a lot of weapons and military--seen as doing the atrocities of people worldwide. If People see some person (like US) with lots of rifles pointing to the others by raping them, abusing them by randomly firing to them, to do its violence, or would say to point big weapons to shoot them if they don't turn in poisoned alcohol (or chemicals) to that person (US<e.g.), how would people feel? But Putin would say--you people might as not fight against US abuses, with you people having no weapons to defend , so that you people might as well turn in anything to the crazy person (US).
If Putin does US says all the time, the whole world people are in total danger, under US doing violence. As US by doing all the time to demonstrate it has too many weapons to do against people,Putin would say others should not have weapons, so that US is the only one has all weapons,to shoot the whole world, that is no challenge.
But that is a very dangerous world with US having weapons as shown doing all the slaughtering, while such others as North Korea, Iran and others have shown not doing that,as thee are facts which do count for basis to look at.
US is just one country, as it uses Russia,and China too from their stupidity, that US thinks that is the way to crush and run the world,by just a few countries doing all the say to the rest of the world.
Putin never understands US owes the world lots of trillions of dollars, and of penalties as US is the richest that must pay to majority of world people who are suffering and are poor, by US doing lots of and tings to them and also a lot of massacre.
Russia has bad views , bad calls, and bad ASSESSMENT OF THE SITUATIONS OF THE WORLD,ONCE US SAYS AND does SOMETHING BADLY,FOR THE EXAMPLE OF SYRIA.
Why would Russia makes any calls, as some person (US) points riffles to people to say to shoot them if they don't do as US says, Russia needs not be around and watch (as it is already too afraid and freaks out), let the world people watch,if that person (US) dares to shoot people (BY doing blackmailing and abuses) as it says, and see how the world people would react and by calling and doing what to that insane person (if US) instead?
RUSSIA IS SIMPLY FAKE AND BAD WITH PUTIN.

Since: Jun 12

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#42333 Sep 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
What I wrote is a very "practical" test to separate chaff from grain.
No one will give you such a simple and foll proof test!!
And if you wonder from where I got it, It is from Quran!!
The statement you are using was plagiarized from the old testament which was written hundreds of years before the koran was ever invented, itself in part, being a plagiarism of the OT. LMAO

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#42334 Sep 11, 2013
MUQ ,which lineage did Islam originate from ,Shem or Ham ?
Sean

Australia

#42335 Sep 11, 2013
Pigmuncherbuster wrote:
You can flip your lips back as much as you want

your culture is a failure
your religion is a failure
You are a failure
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#42336 Sep 11, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
The statement you are using was plagiarized from the old testament which was written hundreds of years before the koran was ever invented, itself in part, being a plagiarism of the OT. LMAO
Thanks for your reply, why did you not answer it, when the question was posed?

Prove from Bible that angels of God did not eat and drink?

I can prove that according to Bible angles of God DID eat and drink!!

You should be sure about your facts before you make fool of yourself on these threads!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42337 Sep 11, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
MUQ ,which lineage did Islam originate from ,Shem or Ham ?
Islam was the religion of Adam and all prophets of God, sent to every nation of the world.

So your question is meaningless.

Our Prophet genealogically was from Prophet Abraham, thru his son Ishmael. And his religion was very similar to that of prophet Abraham.

I hope this answers your question.
Steven

Point Cook, Australia

#42338 Sep 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Islam was the religion of Adam and all prophets of God, sent to every nation of the world.
So your question is meaningless.
Our Prophet genealogically was from Prophet Abraham, thru his son Ishmael. And his religion was very similar to that of prophet Abraham.
I hope this answers your question.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/ so what went wrong ?
Leviathan

Sydney, Australia

#42339 Sep 11, 2013
The Pesky Jews again Steve, Worldwide, there are about 14.0 million Jews with an enlarged Jewish population of approximately 15.2 million or about 0.2% of the world population.

0.2 percent of the worlds people ruin the lives of As of 2013, 1.3 billion or about 23.4% of the world Muslim population

Right MUQ ?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42340 Sep 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for your reply, why did you not answer it, when the question was posed?
Prove from Bible that angels of God did not eat and drink?
I can prove that according to Bible angles of God DID eat and drink!!
You should be sure about your facts before you make fool of yourself on these threads!!
Yes you should check your facts before making a fool of yourself. Then again that has never stopped you from proving to us all that you are a fool. I pick and choose what I answer and as far as angels eating, of course they can eat, but the FACT is they don't NEED to. Nevertheless that still doesn't address the issue of the koran plagiarizing the bible

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#42341 Sep 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Islam was the religion of Adam and all prophets of God, sent to every nation of the world.
So your question is meaningless.
Our Prophet genealogically was from Prophet Abraham, thru his son Ishmael. And his religion was very similar to that of prophet Abraham.
I hope this answers your question.
No it wasn't you liar. How you can post such bare faced lies is beyond me. Your "prophet" was not from the line of prophets. Ishmael was not of the promised seed it and God made this quite clear in the bible. Ishmael was given his marching orders as was his mother Hagar who was a bond servant of Sarah. Your religion is a counterfeit religion/ideology whose father is Satan the father of lies

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

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#42342 Sep 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Islam was the religion of Adam and all prophets of God, sent to every nation of the world.
So your question is meaningless.
Our Prophet genealogically was from Prophet Abraham, thru his son Ishmael. And his religion was very similar to that of prophet Abraham.
I hope this answers your question.
Is Ishmael the son of an Egyptian Pharaoh ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

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#42343 Sep 11, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes you should check your facts before making a fool of yourself. Then again that has never stopped you from proving to us all that you are a fool. I pick and choose what I answer and as far as angels eating, of course they can eat, but the FACT is they don't NEED to. Nevertheless that still doesn't address the issue of the koran plagiarizing the bible
They can't consume anything orally because they don't have mouths their face resembles that of a plain store mannequin in a shop window
MUQ recidivist taqiyya

Baulkham Hills, Australia

#42344 Sep 11, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text> Is Ishmael the son of an Egyptian Pharaoh ?
Oh dear, another dead end loop.
To save time.
Ishmaelism predates Islam, and is a jewish fetishism (13th tribe etc) but as Hagar & Ishmael were neither blood line or of approved lineage (unlike say jesus via David etc) it's heretical.
Hagar & Ishmael were outcast in paran / Sinai .
And Mecca didnt exist (until 150 ad) some 2,500 years afterwards - a key point where islam completely falls apart in its lies.
Allah only existed as an invented god along with
hubal as the earth idol & messenger from 180
ad in Mecca. No records of 'Allah' before that.
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The origin of islam is of the Hamyarites / a
corrupted red sea Jewish sect inbred with the Arabs / Christian & jesus haters.(see Yusuf).
Smashed by the Byzantines in 530-560ad.
And No ishmaelite or hamyarite ever worshipped
Allah tho - completely separate competing beliefs at war with each other.
In the post Hamyarite vacumn - Abu Bakr & muhammad then 'reinvented' the same hertical
apostasy of arab judaistic recidivism, but Bakr threw in his pagan ;allah, hubal, black stone etc over the ishmaelite & hamyarite script.
So Judaism. Ishmaelism as a pagan fetish.
Then the mad arabised Jewish kingdom of Yusuf
that was destroyed, then the virus of Islam concocted by Abu Bakr using muhammad as his peon and inserting his clans idol (destroying all his rivals idols too btw).
The Quran.. A direct lift from the book of T'ubah (Yemenite ishmaelism) then corrupted by Yusuf then corrupted by Abu Bakr then Uthman.
The book of T'ubah means 'the jewish book of rules for the pagan Arabs', the Quran copies almost all of it in the initial and code Sura's.
Word for word, chapter for sura.
/
Islam follows Abraham? That's laughable.
Abraham and every successive Jewish prophet denies Islam. No abrahamite ever worshipped a
moon god, or a black stone that was 'pieces of his face fallen from heaven'.
No Jew or ishmaelite or hamyarite ever stood before hubal (Allah's stone idol messenger that Muhammad replaced as a human idol) and paid tribute to have dials spun on the 'lord of the kaaba' stone chest to receive divinity messages from a moon god.
Allah is a pagan adaption of the moon god Sin
and only existed as a qareeshi tribute god from 180ad / when hubal was purchased.
Records exist of all this.
Muhammad has zero legitimacy in any link to
older beliefs including ishmaelism, as he had no bloodline, was a pagan (sabian) worshipper and of doubtful parentage in any case.
It's all pathetically & hopelessly inept as a tale.
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The funny thing is how the Muslims want to rewrite the facts of history & the long standing
beliefs they copy from.
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So tell us again MUQ - what proof do you have
in your claim that Muhammad is of Ishmael etc, ie ishmael went to Mecca, thus Mecca existed in
2,600 bc ?
-
Prove to us with any historical or recorded fact
that is Pre Islam - that Mecca existed and was inhabited before 150 AD ?

Otherwise you will have to accept Islam is a poor quality fabrication without this key fact to support your claim.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#42345 Sep 11, 2013
MUQ recidivist taqiyya wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh dear, another dead end loop.
To save time.
Ishmaelism predates Islam, and is a jewish fetishism (13th tribe etc) but as Hagar & Ishmael were neither blood line or of approved lineage (unlike say jesus via David etc) it's heretical.
Hagar & Ishmael were outcast in paran / Sinai .
And Mecca didnt exist (until 150 ad) some 2,500 years afterwards - a key point where islam completely falls apart in its lies.
Allah only existed as an invented god along with
hubal as the earth idol & messenger from 180
ad in Mecca. No records of 'Allah' before that.
-
The origin of islam is of the Hamyarites / a
corrupted red sea Jewish sect inbred with the Arabs / Christian & jesus haters.(see Yusuf).
Smashed by the Byzantines in 530-560ad.
And No ishmaelite or hamyarite ever worshipped
Allah tho - completely separate competing beliefs at war with each other.
In the post Hamyarite vacumn - Abu Bakr & muhammad then 'reinvented' the same hertical
apostasy of arab judaistic recidivism, but Bakr threw in his pagan ;allah, hubal, black stone etc over the ishmaelite & hamyarite script.
So Judaism. Ishmaelism as a pagan fetish.
Then the mad arabised Jewish kingdom of Yusuf
that was destroyed, then the virus of Islam concocted by Abu Bakr using muhammad as his peon and inserting his clans idol (destroying all his rivals idols too btw).
The Quran.. A direct lift from the book of T'ubah (Yemenite ishmaelism) then corrupted by Yusuf then corrupted by Abu Bakr then Uthman.
The book of T'ubah means 'the jewish book of rules for the pagan Arabs', the Quran copies almost all of it in the initial and code Sura's.
Word for word, chapter for sura.
/
Islam follows Abraham? That's laughable.
Abraham and every successive Jewish prophet denies Islam. No abrahamite ever worshipped a
moon god, or a black stone that was 'pieces of his face fallen from heaven'.
No Jew or ishmaelite or hamyarite ever stood before hubal (Allah's stone idol messenger that Muhammad replaced as a human idol) and paid tribute to have dials spun on the 'lord of the kaaba' stone chest to receive divinity messages from a moon god.
Allah is a pagan adaption of the moon god Sin
and only existed as a qareeshi tribute god from 180ad / when hubal was purchased.
Records exist of all this.
Muhammad has zero legitimacy in any link to
older beliefs including ishmaelism, as he had no bloodline, was a pagan (sabian) worshipper and of doubtful parentage in any case.
It's all pathetically & hopelessly inept as a tale.
-
The funny thing is how the Muslims want to rewrite the facts of history & the long standing
beliefs they copy from.
-
So tell us again MUQ - what proof do you have
in your claim that Muhammad is of Ishmael etc, ie ishmael went to Mecca, thus Mecca existed in
2,600 bc ?
-
Prove to us with any historical or recorded fact
that is Pre Islam - that Mecca existed and was inhabited before 150 AD ?
Otherwise you will have to accept Islam is a poor quality fabrication without this key fact to support your claim.
I would like MUQ to provide us with Islamic history please ?
Teaman

Abingdon, VA

#42347 Sep 11, 2013
The next time you stupid arrogant muzzies plan a million Muslim March on 911, think again. You may run into some serious problems.

Muslims granted the permit. Bikers denied. Screw the permit.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/2-million-bikers-r...

http://www.redstate.com/lineholder/2013/09/09...
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#42348 Sep 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You have worded it wrongly, One Western Scholar wrote "Islam is the best religion in the world and Muslims are the worst people on the world".
One more New convert to Islam said "If I had met these Muslims before I accepted Islam, probably I would not have accepted it. I accepted it only after studying Islamic teachings and not from Muslims.
Brother, you should know how to present your case properly.
No, I said it correctly, but it is you who is not taking these quotes to their conclusions.

It is the teachings of Islam that is inspiring or causing Muslims to be the worst people in the world. There is no other explanation of why Muslims are the worst people in the world. This part is very clear.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42349 Sep 11, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
No it wasn't you liar. How you can post such bare faced lies is beyond me. Your "prophet" was not from the line of prophets. Ishmael was not of the promised seed it and God made this quite clear in the bible. Ishmael was given his marching orders as was his mother Hagar who was a bond servant of Sarah. Your religion is a counterfeit religion/ideology whose father is Satan the father of lies
Back to one of your "evil moods"?

No problem, that is your usual style, why you become red faced so often?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42350 Sep 11, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
I would like MUQ to provide us with Islamic history please ?
What is this "cryptic post"?

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