Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46752 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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MUQ lies more taqiyya

Sydney, Australia

#42249 Sep 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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There was no Sunni and there was no Shia during life time of prophet and during life time of his companion Caliphs.
So you have a very wrong history of Islam and its teachings.
What would you say about the wars between different European nations for many centuries? Is Christianity or Jesus to share the blame for that?
Why can't you people be fair and unbiased in
your analysis, why you always use double standards?
MUQ, you knowingly lie again.
During the last part of the life of Muhammad the Bakri & Muhammad/Ali etc were at war.
The Bakri them assassinated Muhammad via Aisha in their fourth attempt.
The Shia formed from the dispute over succession & inheritance of Islam.
Uthman & Ali were then murdered by the Bakri.
At this time Shia & Bakri (Sunni) formed into distinct rival warring groups.
Abu Bakr became caliphate after murderring Muhammad, Uthman & Ali.
Abu Bakr was a 'companion' of Muhammad.
In fact Abu Bakr was the father, author and instigator of Islam - he was the person who confected the arab jewish recidivist apostasy,
put his idols of Mecca into it, dictated or wrote most of the Quran mish mash (why he killed Uthman who compromised it..) and was the inheritor of Islam. The Shia alternative had formed by then, and he was unable to control it or put it down.
So the sentence that the Shia and Sunni (Bakri) have been at war since the death of Muhammad is absolutely correct.
Your a liar MUQ and a bad one as these facts are commonly known and easily checked.
You have become so accustomed to lying about everything you don't know what you believe or why.
Jesus god & the holy spirit in trinity will judge you most severely as your soul is black with sin.
Even Allah will punish you for lying about this. Allah your heretical moon god "cast you into hell,
broil you in brimstone & fire and make you to eat what cows eat (?)(the Quran states this).
Taquir

Sydney, Australia

#42250 Sep 6, 2013
Yes.... MUQ is a liar.... he brings disgrace on all Islam and his family. We should outcast him.
He does not represent us.

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Since: May 10

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#42251 Sep 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
There was no Sunni and there was no Shia during life time of prophet and during life time of his companion Caliphs.
So you have a very wrong history of Islam and its teachings.
What would you say about the wars between different European nations for many centuries? Is Christianity or Jesus to share the blame for that?
Why can't you people be fair and unbiased in your analysis, why you always use double standards?
I said since.

Yes everyone else is guilty of cruelty like the Japanese on Singapore during 1942 who bayonet 50,000 Chinese Malay as well as their atrocities in China and Malay .
Many wars conquered many countries out of greed and absolute stupidity like Hitler who destroyed Europe and Stalin who killed off his fellow Russians and Mao who starved his peoples to death but Islam will not explain why it has been in civil war since Muhammad died and that is it's downfall much like what we see in Syria .
Kieth

Australia

#42253 Sep 6, 2013
MUQ, to become a Muslim Cleric, is their any formal qualifications like in other religions or can anyone start to say they are a teacher of the faith ?
MUQ role for us

Australia

#42254 Sep 7, 2013
Kieth wrote:
MUQ, to become a Muslim Cleric, is their any formal qualifications like in other religions or can anyone start to say they are a teacher of the faith ?
To be a liar. That is the main qualification of a muslim Inman or Cleric.
The Muslim has to demonstrate their skills in
• Taqiyya - lies and deception - like how MUQ practices in this forum.
• Shirk - omission or obliqueness or refusal to provide an honest & direct answer.
• Kitman - the main 'trait' of MUQ - outright lies and false claims and boasting.
MUQ is an amateur level in all these as his taqiyya, shirk & kirman is poorly constructed and thought thru. He would not be a good cleric as he is lazy and lacks intellect.
For example, he has not read the Quran
properly, and what he has read he doesn't undertand. Like most Indian slaves of Islam he suffers from literalism and mysticism so he gets lost in the detail or in spirits and rituals, rather than the actiak goal of islam which is collectivism by ignorance & fear. So not a leader, an obvious and hopelessly inept liar & not smart enough to understand what Islam really is about.
The usual steps for a 'holy man or religious authority' in Islam is that they start to lecture or sermonize and then publish their own hadeeth...
These hadeeth are like interpretations or mini gospels, what Allah (;via Muhammad) really meant in how to use a toothpick or how to smell nice for Allah by using woman's perfumes (eg Capt Idigo in his many famous books)
then they go on tour around madrasses (indoctrination camps the Muslims sent their boys to) and they corrupt and pervet the young.
Then they get or move into an area and charge for 'tuition' or 'findings' or live off charity as Islam is not meant to have a paid clergy. Or they work for a bank or govt dept doing 'rulings' so that sharia law can charge interest (usury) or other such mumbo interpretations. The clerics hold back Islam in ignorance and fear. They are despised and hated by all Muslims.
The vision of an Islam that overrides democracy and individual freedoms is way out of date.
The creepy bearded Salafist/Wahhabi religious fanatics of Islam are product of the west - designed to split and fragment Islam & stop it from modernizing.
From the 19th century the west has invested heavily in creating fanatic Islamic states like Saudi or Pakistan to break up and continue the war of Shia v Sunni/Bakri within Islam.
So laugh and take pleasure when you see MUQ's idiotic spiel - as it means the west has one more
idiot inside islam pulling it all apart.
Muq is our agent, helping destroy Islam from within.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#42255 Sep 7, 2013
Kieth wrote:
MUQ, to become a Muslim Cleric, is their any formal qualifications like in other religions or can anyone start to say they are a teacher of the faith ?
There is no "ordained or hierarchical priesthood" in Islam as we see in Christianity and other religion.

It is one's religious knowledge and personal character and sincerity and devotion as observed by people at large and endorsed by Islamic Scholars of time, which place any person as Islamic Scholar.

Of course there are Islamic universities and their pass outs get "Official degree"...but they have little value in the eyes of people.

They might enable get for Govt. Jobs as judges and official interpreters. but they are not real sign of a Great Islamic Scholars.

It is usually books written by them, which raise their status in public.

PS:

I thank you for asking a very good question!!
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#42256 Sep 7, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
I said since.
Yes everyone else is guilty of cruelty like the Japanese on Singapore during 1942 who bayonet 50,000 Chinese Malay as well as their atrocities in China and Malay .
Many wars conquered many countries out of greed and absolute stupidity like Hitler who destroyed Europe and Stalin who killed off his fellow Russians and Mao who starved his peoples to death but Islam will not explain why it has been in civil war since Muhammad died and that is it's downfall much like what we see in Syria .
In Civil wars, no one really knows who is on which side...it leads to total anarchy in the state and it is nation and people who suffer at large.

The problem in Syria has to be solved by their own people, outside help attacking one group would lead to further blood shed and no one will be gainer.

Unless there is a full scale invasion as we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan....and every one knows what was real benefit of it.

Western people and army is not going there really to help Syrian or Iraq or Afghan people.

They have their own agenda and that is to weaken "all potential enemies of Zionist Jewish state of Isreal"

That is why none of their attacks help local nation or local people.

They are going to attack Syria, not because it is good for Syrian people, but only because Jews and Zionists and Isreal and their local media is "egging them"!!

That is MY analysis and Allah knows Best.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#42257 Sep 7, 2013
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Propaganda and Barf Alert
Shame on Jewish Democrats

Op-ed: Republican senators were the only ones who passionately grilled Hagel on his lack of support for Israel

By Shoula Romano Horing (Contd.)

Despite the fact that 69% of the Jews voted for Obama and donated heavily to the Democratic Party, the Republican senators were the only ones who passionately grilled and interrogated Hagel on his lack of support for Israel, while all the Democratic senators tried to cover up this fact.

Hagel was confronted by several Republicans for refusing to sign congressional letters seeking a terrorist designation for the militant Islamist group Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. The ranking Republican senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma reminded the committee that in 2000 an overwhelming majority of senators sent a letter he sponsored to President Clinton reaffirming their solidarity with Israel during Arafat's terror campaign and Hagel was one of just four who refused to sign the letter. Senator Graham, referring to the letter, told Hagel "the lack of signature by you run chills down my spine."

A month before his death, Ed Koch, the former mayor of NY, told the Algemeiner Journal that he hoped that Democrats in Congress will oppose Hagel's appointment, saying "if Hagel is not confirmed it'll be because the Republicans take him on and a few good Democrats."

But in reality not even one Democrat was good enough to join the Republicans, including the eleven Jewish Senators.

Many leading Jewish Democratic senators and congressmen who are known to be pro-Israel were in a rush to publicly endorse Hagel weeks in advance of the hearing. The leading Jewish Senator Schumer from NY needed only 90 minutes of conversation with Hagel to come out in support of him and to encourage his Senate colleagues to also support him. Senators Boxer, Feinstein, and Congresswoman Wasserman, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, stated that even though they were concerned with his comments about the "Jewish lobby" and his voting record, they accepted Hagel's regrets and apologies and his verbal reassurances about supporting Israel and facing Iran.

Purim is coming soon and we will read the Book of Esther. After Queen Esther told Mordechai, her uncle, that she cannot go to the king and plead with him to save the Jewish people because she worried about her own self survival, Mordechai relayed to Esther the following words: "Do not think that you will escape the fate of all the Jews by being in the king's palace. For if you will remain silent at this time, relief and salvation will come to the Jews from another source, and you and the house of your father will be lost. And who knows if it is not for just such a time that you reached this royal position."

I hope the Jewish senators, congressmen and other influential Jews who serve in Obama's administration remember these words before it is too late.

Born and raised in Israel, Shoula is an attorney, university lecturer, radio show host, opinion columnist and national public speaker who has lived in the United states since 1980. Her blog: www.shoularomanohoring.com

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Since: May 10

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#42258 Sep 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
In Civil wars, no one really knows who is on which side...it leads to total anarchy in the state and it is nation and people who suffer at large.
The problem in Syria has to be solved by their own people, outside help attacking one group would lead to further blood shed and no one will be gainer.
Unless there is a full scale invasion as we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan....and every one knows what was real benefit of it.
Western people and army is not going there really to help Syrian or Iraq or Afghan people.
They have their own agenda and that is to weaken "all potential enemies of Zionist Jewish state of Isreal"
That is why none of their attacks help local nation or local people.
They are going to attack Syria, not because it is good for Syrian people, but only because Jews and Zionists and Isreal and their local media is "egging them"!!
That is MY analysis and Allah knows Best.
If Allah had anything to do with it there would be no conflict would there, seeing you have told us many times that Islam stands for peace and tranquillity under Allah over all Muslims ?
MUQ tell the truth

Australia

#42259 Sep 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no "ordained or hierarchical priesthood" in Islam as we see in Christianity and other religion. is one's religious knowledge. It is usually books written by them, which raise their status in public.
Yes - as already outlined in the prior post.
But while we are on this topic - MUQ why don't you reveal the full truth of how Islam cultivates it's religious leadership..
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As previously stated.
The usual steps for a 'holy man or religious authority' in Islam is that they start to lecture or
sermonize and then publish their own hadeeth...
These hadeeth are like interpretations or mini gospels, what Allah (;via Muhammad) really meant in how to use a toothpick or how to smell
nice for Allah by using woman's perfumes (eg
Capt Idigo in his many idiot books).
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They then go on tour around madrasses (indoctrination camps the Muslims sent their boys
to) and they corrupt and pervet the young.
Then they get or move into an area and charge
for 'tuition' or 'findings' or live off charity -** as Islam is not meant to have a paid clergy**
Or they work for a bank or govt dept doing 'rulings' so that sharia law can charge interest
(usury) or other such mumbo interpretations. The
clerics hold back Islam in ignorance and fear.
They are despised and hated by all Muslims.
****
Why are they so despised and hated ?
Almost all Muslims have experience of these
'clerics' Interfering with and corrupting young children. In many societies such as India or
pakistan or afghanistan or even arab countries, the cleric and young boy relationships in 'tuition'
and madrasses - are highly sexualised and every young muslim boy is exposed to Islam old men preying on them and them as 'companions'. Arabs and associated Muslims (turks, afghans,
Paks & Indians) have an absolute obsession with young boys in sex and as a trophy status.
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In most Muslim cultures the clerics are viewed as
evil and pedophiles (read Tariq Ali on his
experienced with his 'tutor' in India/Pakistan..)
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Which brings me to the point.
Everyone knows that if a muslim goes on about
Islam, Muhammad & the Quran and so on - then that is a symptom he was preyed on as a child, corrupted & perverted by some old muslim cleric.
Forget the christian priest scandals - the rampant homosexuality and old man / young boy 'relationships' as standard practice within Muslim society are truely unbelievably sick.
These Muslim boys grow up with guilt & shame to become devout & aggressive muslims later.
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You know the Salafi / Wahhabi bearded & gowned Indian quoting the Quran and banging on about Islam - this was an abused child, preyed on by his older brothers and then 'given
away' to Islam as a 'companion' at an early age to some perverted old cleric.
This is the scandal of Islam.
Indian muslims are the worst as they have some
weird practices anyway (ie Indian mothers, ESP muslim, masturbate their boy children from an early age to 'relieve them' as a standard cultural practice - go check it as a fact).
Boys having sex with their mothers or sisters is
routine, and in a family with no sisters (common due to indian gender infantcide), the youngest boy becomes the 'girl' for everyone else.
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So muslims, ESP Indian Muslims grow up with very deviant sexual behaviors and insecurities. They are preyed on by other Muslims and the
Clerics as outlined. The grow up to be anxious and highly dependent on 'religion' and rituals to explain their grubby & grim little lives. They do this by promoting and pushing the curse of Islam
onto others. This is how Islam recruits it's spiritual leadership.
When you see these people later in life carrying on about Islam and making excuses for the
apostasy / feel pity for them, but be wary. They are compelled to do to the next generation of young Muslims in what was done to them.
This is the ugly truth about how Islam cultivates its deviate & corrupted religious order.
MUQ the Indian Jew hater

Australia

#42260 Sep 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
In Civil wars, no one really knows who is on which side...it leads to total anarchy in the state and it is nation and people who suffer at large.
The problem in Syria has to be solved by their own people, outside help attacking one group would lead to further blood shed and no one will be gainer.
Unless there is a full scale invasion as we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan....and every one knows
what was real benefit of it.
Western people and army is not going there really to help Syrian or Iraq or Afghan people.
They have their own agenda and that is to
weaken "all potential enemies of Zionist Jewish state of Isreal"
That is why none of their attacks help local nation or local people.
They are going to attack Syria, not because it is good for Syrian people, but only because Jews and Zionists and Isreal and their local media is "egging them"!!
That is MY analysis and Allah knows Best.
MUQ how odd you are.. A little Indian Muslim slave jew hater. But Islam & zionism is the same thing. Everytime you do the salat, you worhship via a Jewish ritual. Islam is but a synthetic jewish " arabised " & " paganised " heretical apostasy of judaism. You clearly don't understand where Islam came from do you.
Anyway - Syria.
The war is Shia/allawite v Sunni Bakri Wahhabi.
Between Saudi, Jordan, Turkey & Iran, Iraq & Shia Lebanon.
The Wahhabists hate & envy the Jews.
The Shia/allawite hate & envy the Jews.
The Jews have not engaged or been involved.
So nothing to do with the Jews.
They have no advantage in a Al Qaida run Sryia at all. For example Saudi Wahhabi supplied the poison gas (now well known) and are terrorists.
So Sryia is a war within Islam. With Islam begging the west to save them from each other.
Your analysis is wrong.
You are pathetic to blame the Jews or the west for the failures & conflicts within Islam as it collapses around the world.
Btw : Do you realise Arabs hate you as an indian far more than they hate each other ?
And you do realize you can't go to their Allah heaven as well. The Quran states this.
You also know every Arab has to wash themselves if they come into contact with you (Quran & hadeeth say this).
They really hate and discriminate against you.
But as a servile Indian skate to Islam you fetish some issue against the Jews (who's worship you follow..).
Your hate & envy is very misplaced.



I brilliant or what LLOL

Ryde, Australia

#42261 Sep 7, 2013
Hear this o Biggly Bogan BOOooooo's time is not on the side of evil, LLOL mend your ways otherwise your jew masters are out to vaporise you fools..........

So far, not one real 911 perpetrator has even been charged with a crime. Israel has yet to be bombed for doing 911, America has yet to militarily defend itself against Israel aggression. How did they pull this off? America is a nation of brain dead Christian cultists and completely under the mind control of the Bible, most Americans still have no idea that their nation has been ruined by belief in the Bible and its glorification of the Jews. Christians are taught to support the Jews no matter what. So even if a Christian learns that Israeli Jews did 911, they don’t care. You can’t make this stuff up, Christians are supporting their own destroyers. Rejoice in the ‘power of the Lord’ meme.

Even though America will be turned into smoking rubble, most Americans will never realize that their beliefs were causal or that Christianity is a mind warped death cult. The Jews have completely duped Christians, even to this day, in this late hour most Evangelicals think a mythical Jewish god is going to return and save them. Many believe they will be Raptured, or taken up in the air, before the Tribulation. No matter how much death and destruction America rains down upon the world, the belief is so strong that many Christians are still sending their children into the military death machine and making hell on earth as they wait for the day of purification.

Joy filled Christians at the end of the world.Christians believe to rejoice in the ‘day of the Lord’, this is an example of art found in the Jehovah Witness magazine Watchtower.

We are in the Tribulation, we are in the Apocalypse, no god will save us from our own mythological beliefs. As the Zionists push their war agenda, consider where this is going, they are plunging the United States and the rest of the world into World War 3, which would go nuclear almost instantly, killing millions and leading to the unification of the Muslims. Evangelical Christians are taught to rejoice in the the ‘power of the Lord’ as the civilization is plowed under by the Jewish owned war machine.

One of the best things to happen to the world would be the complete destruction of Israel and especially Jerusalem because that would shock the two billion Christians out of their Bible spell. Many will not be ready for this and could be the greatly anticipated Zombies, people walking around aimlessly with their minds shattered when their long held beliefs are overturned.
The world is mad and the best thing to do might be to load the pickup with your preps and head upwind, out of town and away from the strike zones. Put Armageddon in your rear view mirror and don’t look back.
I brilliant or what LLOL

Ryde, Australia

#42262 Sep 7, 2013
What brilliant piece of journalism. its a shame there is not a single Bogan on this entire planed who is educated enough to understand this..... LLOL, LLOL, LLOL, Bogans will be Bogans.......

THE ROVING EYE
Dogs of war versus the emerging caravan

By Pepe Escobar The dogs of war bark and the emerging-powers caravan ... keeps on trucking. That's the Group of 20 meeting in St Petersburg in a nutshell. Count on the indispensable (bombing) nation - via US President Barack "Red Line" Obama - to disrupt a summit whose original agenda was to tackle the immense problems afflicting the global economy.

Economy is for suckers. Get me to my Tomahawk on time. The Obama doctrine - Yes We Scan, Yes We Drone - reached a new low with its Yes We Bomb "solution" to the chemical weapons

attack in Ghouta, Syria, presenting world public opinion in the run-up towards the G-20 with the illusionist spectacle of a "debate" in the US Senate about the merits of a new bout of humanitarian bombing.

What in fact was served was the appalling spectacle of serial wacko Republicans of the John McCain and Lindsey Graham mould squeezing the desperate Obama administration like little lemons. Their Orwellian gambit - "reverse the battlefield momentum" - pushed by the senile McCain, was duly approved by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. This means bombing the hell out of Damascus during a "window of opportunity" of three months, with a possibility of extension. Red Line Obama is on board, assuring, before leaving to Sweden and the G-20, that his former "slap on the wrist" would "fit in" with regime change.

Not even the ghost of Machiavelli would come up with an adjective to describe the whole planet waiting in disbelief to see whether the almost universally despised House of Representatives (15% approval rating, according to RealClearPolitics) decides, Roman Empire style, to give the thumbs down and authorize the bombing of one of the oldest cities in humanity (well, they have an illustrious precedent of applauding Shock and Awe over Baghdad, which topped the Mongols going medieval in the 13th century).

And all this against the will of the "American people" who, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll support this folly by an overwhelming 9%.

Yes We Bomb. But what for? The following exchange might have come straight from Monty Python. Unfortunately, it's real.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey: "The answer to whether I support additional support for the moderate opposition is yes."

Senator Bob Corker (R, Tennessee): "And this authorization will support those activities in addition to responding to the weapons of mass destruction."

Dempsey: "I don't know how the resolution will evolve, but I support - "

Corker: "What you're seeking. What is it you're seeking?"

Dempsey: "I can't answer that, what we're seeking ... "
The Pentagon may be clueless - rather, playing clueless. But Bandar Bush, AIPAC/Israel and vast sectors of the industrial-military complex know exactly what they are seeking. And Secretary of State John Kerry knows not only what they are seeking but also who's footing the bill, as in "if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we've done it previously in other places, they'll carry that cost. That's how dedicated they are to this."

Free bombing. For three months. With inbuilt free upgrading. Operation Tomahawk With Cheese but also bacon, onions, chilies, mayo, guacamole, the works. All courtesy of Saudi Arabia's Prince Bandar bin Sultan - aka Bandar Bush - plus minions Emirates and Qatar. What's not to like? The inestimable Vijay Prashad, author of The Poorer Nations, has been using his calculator:
Exhibit A: Saudis have put ''on the table'' their offer to pay for the entire US
I brilliant or what LLOL

Ryde, Australia

#42263 Sep 7, 2013
assault on Syria. Exhibit B: in case of an attack on Syria, the price of oil is slated to go from $109 to $125 per barrel (base case scenario), with an upside scenario of $150 per barrel. Saudi Arabia will produce 9.8 million barrels of oil a day. Which means if the spike is only the base case scenario, Saudi will gross a super-profit of $156.8 million per day. If it is the upside scenario, then the Saudi super-profits will be $401.8 million per day. Not a bad arbitrage game from Mr Bandar and his gang of Saudi "democrats".

Addendum: each Tomahawk costs only US$1.5 million. With a prospective free flow of Bandar Bush's cash, no wonder there's a compatible free flow of Krug at Raytheon's HQ.

Confronted with the sumptuous marriage of the industrial-military complex and the House of Saud producing lethal cruise offspring duly employed as al-Qaeda's Air Force, a pesky detail like hardcore Chechen jihadis forming their own militia, The Mujahedin of the Caucasus and the Levant, is, well, irrelevant. As irrelevant as the fact that these jihadis are run by none other than Bandar Bush, who bragged to President Vladimir Putin he can turn them on and off at will.

So if these Chechens are Bandar's minions, they are also Friends of Obama/Kerry/Rice/Power. Just like the jihadis who are fighting to take over the "crusader" village of Maloula - where people still speak Aramaic, the language of Jesus - so they can proceed to gleefully behead a few Christian infidels.

What would Zbig say?
Red Line Obama anyway has already telegraphed that he's bombing - whatever congress decides. Obama of course is just a cipher - he couldn't point to Maloula on a map (not to mention his "security advisers" of the Ben Rhodes mould). Syria is a peach - and it has to be devoured. Too independent. Allied with Iran and Russia. Those river sources in the Golan coveted by Israel. The chance to further provoke Russia in the Caucasus. The chance, in the long run, to destabilize China in Xinjiang. The chance to isolate Hezbollah, allow a new Israeli invasion of southern Lebanon, open the (lethal) road to Tehran.

Yet the agendas will keep diverging. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Turkey would bless regime change, but he's terrified of Syrian Kurds becoming totally independent and further giving toxic ideas to Turkish Kurds. The House of Saud wants all-out regime change, so it may be able, in one swoop, to wound Iran, Iraq and Hezbollah. So what if those Allahu Akbar Friends of Kerry and company run amok? They are not on Saudi Arabian soil threatening the petromonarchy; let them fight those "apostate" Shi'ites in assorted latitudes.

Let's see what the man who in theory instilled little nuggets of international relations realities into Red Line Obama's brain think about all this. Zbigniew "Grand Chessboard" Brzezinski is in favor of "some symbolic military action''. Well, a cost-effective version would be to parachute Kerry in Maloula.

Dr Zbig also wants to "involve the oriental powers", as "they have to be very worried as to where this is headed''. Correct; that's what Chinese President Xi Jinping told Putin, he worries about - oil at $150 a barrel. The Russians, according to Dr Zbig, are using "aggressive and insulting language''. Ridiculous - when Putin dubbed Kerry a liar that was the understatement of the year. Dr Zbig is in fact terrified that "the Russians may use this conflict, if it explodes, to undermine overall our position in the Middle East." Memo: your "position" is already undermined all over the planet, not only the Middle East.
I brilliant or what LLOL

Ryde, Australia

#42264 Sep 7, 2013
And when Dr Zbig says that the Russians are "fearful of stability in the Caucusus", and "Putin has a stake in the Winter Olympics", and "there is leverage here that we can use intelligently", he sounds eerily like Bandar Bush threatening Putin to unleash "his" Chechens in Sochi in 2014.

More enlightening, and with no double talk, is what the manipulated "opposition" wants. It's all about Iran - and "terrorist ally" Hezbollah (scroll down to page 6 here.)

The Xi-Putin show
Even immersed in all this hysteria, the BRICS caravan managed to engage in serious business at the G-20. They held a mini-summit to coordinate their common position - which, as far as Syria is concerned, is totally anti-war (you won't see this reported in Western corporate media). They did say, en bloc, that Obama's war will have "an extremely negative effect on the global economy''.

So they discussed, as a group, how to increase their trade using their own currencies; how to develop their markets (that's part of the original Russian agenda for this G-20); and how to improve trade relations. Common strategy: multiple escape routes against US dollar hegemony.

They advanced on negotiations relative to the capital structure, shareholding and governance of the BRICS development bank; initial capital of $50 billion and an emergency fund of $100 billion, a sort of emerging powers International Monetary Fund. The bank should have a head start in the next BRICS summit in 2014 in Brazil.

And as far as Russia and China are concerned, there's the annual meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) next week. Before that, already contemplating the prospect of $200 billion in bilateral trade by 2020, Xi and Putin discussed a rash of mega-projects - not only revolving around Pipelineistan - and the proverbial "further strategic international coordination". The official Chinese version to their strategic partnership is a beauty: "Sowing in spring and harvesting in autumn."

It's like sleeping in one of those fabulous beds at a Four Seasons resort. No hysteria. No "red lines". No Tomahawks. No "credibility on the line."

This is what Obama said in August 2012:
We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation.
Note the "my" and then again another "my" invoking responsibility, not "the world".

So while the Xi and Putin caravan reenacts the spirit of the Silk Road, the dogs of war keep barking; and informed public opinion everywhere starts to consider the possibility that Obama, by not assuming full responsibility for what he said, and blaming "the world", may also be a coward.

Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007) and Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge. He has also written Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009).

He may be reached at [email protected]
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#42265 Sep 7, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
If Allah had anything to do with it there would be no conflict would there, seeing you have told us many times that Islam stands for peace and tranquillity under Allah over all Muslims ?
Allah has given freedom of choice to humans and that include Muslims too.

They also have freedom to act like True Muslim or pay lip service to islam.

They will also be judged as any other nation.

Allah is not partial, that once you say you are Muslim, every thing is forgiven to you.

Allah is Just, He in unbiased, He is Merciful and He is Forgiving for all nations and all people.

Allah knows Best.
Good Aussies

Tampa, FL

#42266 Sep 7, 2013
Why should Australians (Whites) let you into our country?
Gods will

Australia

#42267 Sep 7, 2013
So reading this - it states that all of Islam in some form are now vassals of the west....
The Russian & Chinese tell one faction of Islam to do this and that. The USA & Europe tell the other faction to do that.
They both exploit the schism and hated of the Shia & the Sunni of each other to subjugate Islam
Our willing & corrupted Muslim vassals then slaughter & murder & poison gas each other - praising Allah as they do.
Isn't this Gods will?- muslim killing muslim as we help them and watch..
Btw the USA has never been a coward at anything (prior article). Thats been it's problem as well as it's strength..
The USA has more strikepower ranging from full intercontinental ballistic nuclear holocaust, to a predator drone tap on a household - more power and graduation in the global delivery of death than the next 20 countries combined, 12 of which are then totally USA aligned.
The only question is what cost benefit comes of direct demonstration of force ?- versus letting the Muslims broil a bit longer in their hell of their own making.
As god himself would also conclude.
The Muslims are in a stew of genocidal conflict and chaos. Islam all over the world is failing.
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Is this not gods will, and is not the USA his
voice of command & control ?
Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#42268 Sep 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Allah has given freedom of choice to humans and that include Muslims too.
Incorrect. Muslims are denied the choice to convert. If they convert , they are murdered. Islam is held together by fear , scare tactics , intimidation and indoctrination.
Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#42269 Sep 7, 2013
There needs to be many many new Catholic churches built in Iran and Saudi Arabia , so people can convert , if they wish.

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