Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 20 comments on the Dec 23, 2007, Scoop story titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#41332 Jul 24, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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You just don't get it do you MUG? You don't have the truth so your point is moot.
You can rant and rave all you like but the fact is that Islam and democracy are like oil and water. We are the water and you are the oil. You may light some fires but you will never survive without water. LOL
You are right, Islam and "Western Materialistic democracy" is like Oil and Water.

You cannot mix truth with falsehood. Western Democracy can be manipulated to elect and reelect such crooks of the first water as GWB the great and Tony Blair the Poodle.

Islam provides democracy in its true spirit.
Onix

Jacksonville, FL

#41333 Jul 24, 2013
http://www.skwirk.com.au/p-c_s-14_u-116_t-312...

Try to replace Communist with ISLAMIC .
Quote:
"No members of the CPA (ARABIC origin change } were to be given a job by the government and they could no longer work as a trade union official in an industrial company"
"....needed to make the CPA (ISLAM ) sound as dangerous as possible to Australian society and its constitution."
"...( ISLAMIC )to be declared an unlawful organisation and that the party's property could be seized and disposed of. Any other organisations that were suspected of being affiliated with the CPA ISLAMIC ) were also to be dissolved. Anyone who carried on the work of the party after it was declared illegal was to be jailed for five years. In addition, as soon as someone was declared to be a communist (muslim ), they were to be suspended from their job if it were in the federal government, the defence forces, or in the unions...
a communist (muslim ) was 'a person who supports or advocates the objectives, policies, teachings, principles or practices of communism ( ISLAMIC )"

Since: Jun 12

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#41334 Jul 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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You are right, Islam and "Western Materialistic democracy" is like Oil and Water.
You cannot mix truth with falsehood. Western Democracy can be manipulated to elect and reelect such crooks of the first water as GWB the great and Tony Blair the Poodle.
Islam provides democracy in its true spirit.
Islam.

Of course I am right!!!!!!!!!!
Islam is a 1400 year old supreimsit ideology based on lies and arrogance

Islam's idea of democracy is a falsehood based on the lies of a false prophet.

People can contact me if they want to hear the real truth

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#41336 Jul 24, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Allah put men and women on this Earth to be equal .
So ask MUG what happened in his version of events?????

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#41338 Jul 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
A. Hajj And Muslim
Hajj is a specific ritual enjoined on Muslims who can afford to make a trip to Makkah.
It is performed on fixed dates,(08-13 of the Twelfth Month of Islamic Calendar, called DUL HIJJA). And there are fixed dates for specific rituals in other religions also, it is not a "strange thing" which was ordered to Muslims.
Muslims from all over the world , who can afford the costs and are able to bear the hardship, come to Makkah to take part in this Universal gathering, they perform rituals on specific dates and specific times, all these have strong links and remembrance of acts done by Prophet Abraham, who built the Kaaba and is Patriarch of all three major religions of world, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
It is the biggest Universal gathering of muslims from every country and region.
But Kaaba is open round the clock for Muslims to pray and go round it and perform UMRAH, a minor pilgrimage at any time.
B. Makkah and Muslims, round the clock
Who says Makkah does not mean any thing to Muslims rest of year.
There is not a "Single moment" in entire 24 Hours period, when millions are not praying facing Kaaba!!
Without any doubt, it is the most celebrated and honored place in the entire world.
Other religious places only serve the need of local country, no one has this "Universal appeal" as Kaaba.
Only Allah would have visualized the Grand Honor for Kaaba, when He ordered His Messenger to change his direction from Jerusalem to Kaaba.
Oh , how much Jews lost at that moment, and Quran says "Well they know, it is from their Lord"….they had been given sufficient warnings about it, form so many of their prophets.
And last but not the least from Jesus Christ, who warned them in no uncertain terms… "This cup will be taken from your hand and given to others who bring the fruit"!!
O Allah, bless your House with ever increasing Glory and Bounties and Blessings, and enable us to visit Thy Holy site again and again
Amen
PS:
I love and welcome such questions!!
Why are there specific dates to visit Mecca ?
MUQ shame of the Haj

Australia

#41339 Jul 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Hajj (08-13 of the Twelfth Month of Islamic Calendar, called DUL HIJJA ( October), same time as the goats perform similar seasonal ritual. Prophet Abraham, who built the Kaaba
millions praying facing Kaaba!! Object and place worship written in by Abu Bakr as he owned the place - was Jerusalem. Jews lost (ha! Islamic rationalism of the failure in that area...)
Jesus Christ,(sura 4 153/158 - failed false prophet) then misquoted.
I love and welcome such questions!!
MUQ - back to the taqiyya I see. Pathetic.
Are the mutaween on your case ?
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• Abraham didn't build the kaaba - neither Mecca nor the kaaba (area or structure) at Mecca existed in his time and he never went there.
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Every town had a kaaba & the basis of the Haj ritual - predates islam. As the goats gather in a place with the females in estrus - so did the nomadic Arabs in the moon/Venus autumn conjunction (mid oct) to mix, mingle, sniff and smell then perform the sex ritual.
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The Muslims prayed to Jerusalem, then to Mecca. Why is that. We both know the real answer but you are too ashamed to admit it..
Muhammad ascended over.. Jerusalem. Several caliphates insisted on being buried in Jerusalem..
Because Abu Bakr changed the holy place - the Mecca Kaaba was just the Haj sex ritual and after Abu Bakr & Aisha murdered Muhammad the Quran was rewritten to redirect it to Mecca.
Who owned Allah as his families tribal god creation, replaced Hubal with Muhammad, overlaid the book of T'ubah with Allah, black stone, Mecca, Sabean & vedic cult rituals and fake idols,,, Abu Bakr.
Muhammad said of the Haj & the Mecca kabaa "let the idle and ignorant pass thru it's doors and prostrate before it, it is of no consequence'.
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Clearly MUQ you are a follower of the evil & corrupted Abu Bakr who Muhammad warned about before he was murdered by Abu Bakr & his daughter Aisha - he said "it (islam) will be corrupted by the Bakri and I will be killed by them in their pursuit of those things which are true, so you will have a choice to follow a path of which I have rescinded, turn on your heel and walk away" - muhammad being murdered by the Meccan qureeshi Bakr because he stated just before he was murdered that it was all fake.
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muhammad would be shocked and ashamed at you MUQ - he really would. You should die in shame as you have all the information on his recession and final days as well as his murder.
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And yet you still trot out your taqiyya re the Haj, the falsehoods of mecca, the false pagan & object cult worship and you follow the corrupt and evil path of the Meccan Bakri that Muhammad warned against.

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#41340 Jul 24, 2013
I am very proud Indian Airforce officer and proud to be homosexual and a muslim

In my village there were too few little girls so my father put me in a dress and call me dark pearl faced boy.

my bottom hurt very much but i bring much please to my muslim brothers.

i now think i love MUQ he very sexy man in arab homeland.
Haj shame

Australia

#41341 Jul 24, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are there specific dates to visit Mecca ?
Goats and Arabs in the Arabian peninsula share the same needs in inbreeding and the climate & seasonality. They have to mix & mingle the limited gene pool and have to mate around mid October (estrus) to have birthing in april (goats), July (arabs) That's why the date : no other
reason. The moon & Venus ritual predates Islam and was widespread in every place of Arabs gathering around a local place, and then a stone or object to smear their body fluids on a object then select a sex mate.
There is no other date - too early or later on, the offspring would have reduced chances of survival in the desert seasons.
It's a simple as that.
All the Islamic Haj and the consolidation to Mecca and destroying all the other hundreds of kaaba's across the arabian peninsular was done by the Bakri tribe to force trade & pilgrimage to Mecca which Abu Bakr owned.
Muhammad prayed to Jerusalem as did all Muslims before Abu Bakr forced the change.
The Haj fertility ritual was quite separate to praying to Allah in jerusalem - until Abu Bakr combined them.
Another plot hole in islam ... as extensive historical & archeological evidence that the Haj gathering & fertility ritual in october long predates Islam and is entirely of pagan and multiple place origin and practice.
Pure biological adaption to the type of humans that could survive in a desert climate in practice and timing. Totally pagan in origin and as
practiced even to this day - the objects, ritual and purpose of gathering all illustrate that.
Of Sabean origin with Vedic ceremony. Allah via Hubal was not worshipped in the Haj ritual at all until Abu Bakr synthesized the two into his place, his god and his objects. Muhammad didnt agree, he believed Allah and the heavenly 'portal' was in jerusalem, & the kaaba did not represent a place Allah could be worshipped thru, just the Haj or Sabean ritual only.
This is why the Bakr murdered muhammad.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#41342 Jul 24, 2013
Haj shame wrote:
<quoted text>
Goats and Arabs in the Arabian peninsula share the same needs in inbreeding and the climate & seasonality. They have to mix & mingle the limited gene pool and have to mate around mid October (estrus) to have birthing in april (goats), July (arabs) That's why the date : no other
reason. The moon & Venus ritual predates Islam and was widespread in every place of Arabs gathering around a local place, and then a stone or object to smear their body fluids on a object then select a sex mate.
There is no other date - too early or later on, the offspring would have reduced chances of survival in the desert seasons.
It's a simple as that.
All the Islamic Haj and the consolidation to Mecca and destroying all the other hundreds of kaaba's across the arabian peninsular was done by the Bakri tribe to force trade & pilgrimage to Mecca which Abu Bakr owned.
Muhammad prayed to Jerusalem as did all Muslims before Abu Bakr forced the change.
The Haj fertility ritual was quite separate to praying to Allah in jerusalem - until Abu Bakr combined them.
Another plot hole in islam ... as extensive historical & archeological evidence that the Haj gathering & fertility ritual in october long predates Islam and is entirely of pagan and multiple place origin and practice.
Pure biological adaption to the type of humans that could survive in a desert climate in practice and timing. Totally pagan in origin and as
practiced even to this day - the objects, ritual and purpose of gathering all illustrate that.
Of Sabean origin with Vedic ceremony. Allah via Hubal was not worshipped in the Haj ritual at all until Abu Bakr synthesized the two into his place, his god and his objects. Muhammad didnt agree, he believed Allah and the heavenly 'portal' was in jerusalem, & the kaaba did not represent a place Allah could be worshipped thru, just the Haj or Sabean ritual only.
This is why the Bakr murdered muhammad.
Thankyou godly one.
straa

UK

#41343 Jul 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
A. Hajj And Muslim
Hajj is a specific ritual enjoined on Muslims who can afford to make a trip to Makkah.
It is performed on fixed dates,(08-13 of the Twelfth Month of Islamic Calendar, called DUL HIJJA). And there are fixed dates for specific rituals in other religions also, it is not a "strange thing" which was ordered to Muslims.
Muslims from all over the world , who can afford the costs and are able to bear the hardship, come to Makkah to take part in this Universal gathering, they perform rituals on specific dates and specific times, all these have strong links and remembrance of acts done by Prophet Abraham, who built the Kaaba and is Patriarch of all three major religions of world, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
It is the biggest Universal gathering of muslims from every country and region.
But Kaaba is open round the clock for Muslims to pray and go round it and perform UMRAH, a minor pilgrimage at any time.
B. Makkah and Muslims, round the clock
Who says Makkah does not mean any thing to Muslims rest of year.
There is not a "Single moment" in entire 24 Hours period, when millions are not praying facing Kaaba!!
Without any doubt, it is the most celebrated and honored place in the entire world.
Other religious places only serve the need of local country, no one has this "Universal appeal" as Kaaba.
Only Allah would have visualized the Grand Honor for Kaaba, when He ordered His Messenger to change his direction from Jerusalem to Kaaba.
Oh , how much Jews lost at that moment, and Quran says "Well they know, it is from their Lord"….they had been given sufficient warnings about it, form so many of their prophets.
And last but not the least from Jesus Christ, who warned them in no uncertain terms… "This cup will be taken from your hand and given to others who bring the fruit"!!
O Allah, bless your House with ever increasing Glory and Bounties and Blessings, and enable us to visit Thy Holy site again and again
Amen
PS:
I love and welcome such questions!!
What's the difference between Sunni and shia, and why did island suddenly change from a liberal accepting tolerant religeon, to a hardliner, extremest jihadists of today, do you think it is a self defence mechanism against western imperialism, a way of uniting Muslims in a common cause, that is why Indonesia became Muslim, to unite the people to keep the Europeans out
straa

UK

#41344 Jul 24, 2013
Edit, Islam not island

Since: Jun 12

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#41345 Jul 24, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Allah put men and women on this Earth to be equal

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There is no God called allah, unless of course you are speaking of a false god
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#41346 Jul 24, 2013
More broadly, both sides agree, as they have for decades, that Washington’s overriding foreign policy goal must be to shape history, control the world, and make it mirror American values and serve American interests. This mythic vision of American foreign policy is a rare example of long-term bipartisan consensus.

When I call it myth, I don’t mean it’s a lie. I mean it’s a foundational narrative of American power that expresses our most basic assumptions about the world, a story in which every nation on the planet is, theoretically, ours to lose.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#41347 Jul 24, 2013
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Who Lost the World?

The Curious Case of How Libya Became an Election Issue

By Ira Chernus

Contd.

In his first major foreign policy speech, Romney absolved his opponent of any direct responsibility for the four American deaths, but he pilloried Obama for a far more grievous sin. By a wild leap of imagination, he turned this one incident into the spearhead of a vast assault on America:“Our embassies have been attacked. Our flag has been burned… Our nation was attacked.”

The president’s job is to protect us by dominating our enemies, the challenger proclaimed. It’s our consistent record of victory as well as our values that make America “exceptional”-- and on Obama’s watch, as the incident in Benghazi proved, America and its exceptionalism had gone down for the count.

This was not simply an exaggerated indictment of presidential “weakness.” As he had on that first day, Romney was again raising a question even more crucial to any popular narrative of American foreign policy: Who’s in charge here?

After all, what’s the point of being the global superpower if not to keep control of events around the world? As Romney put it succinctly:“It is the responsibility of our President to use America’s great power to shape history.” And on that most crucial count, he insisted, Obama had failed dismally and a U.S. ambassador had paid for that failing with his life.

A Bipartisan Mythology

The debates gave Romney a chance to sharpen his attack. In the second of them, Obama deftly deflected the charges about Libya (though he never actually answered them). By the time the third debate rolled around, Romney’s strategists apparently saw no benefit and lots of risk in pressing the Libyan question. But they still saw plenty of benefit in keeping the broader issue alive. So Romney rushed past Libya, saying,“We’ve seen in nation after nation a number of disturbing events.”

He built his case using fearful images:“I see the Middle East with a rising tide of violence, chaos, tumult... You see al-Qaeda rushing in.” Power in Washington needed to be restored to the right hands so that, wearing “the mantle of leadership,” the U.S. could “help the Middle East” turn back “the rising tide of tumult and confusion” and subdue the terrorists.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#41348 Jul 24, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Why are there specific dates to visit Mecca ?
Why are these specific days? I do not know. These are fixed by Prophet Abraham and Allah has approved it.

We hear and we obey, these are traits of True Muslims.

We do not ask unnecessary questions!!

Since: Jun 12

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#41349 Jul 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are these specific days? I do not know. These are fixed by Prophet Abraham and Allah has approved it.
We hear and we obey, these are traits of True Muslims.
We do not ask unnecessary questions!!
All signs of true brain washing. There is no freedom of thought in Islam. They do not allow critical analysis of any type. It's a case of the blind leading the blind. Over 80% of Muslims can't speak Arabic and that is not counting the one who are illiterate and can't read it either so it is easy to see why they are not only fighting for something that they don't understand but they are also fighting each other because they have different beliefs. If the koran can only be understood in Arabic then there are a hell of a lot of them that are being misled by others who can in a way to suit their own purposes

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#41350 Jul 24, 2013
straa wrote:
<quoted text>
What's the difference between Sunni and shia, and why did island suddenly change from a liberal accepting tolerant religeon, to a hardliner, extremest jihadists of today, do you think it is a self defence mechanism against western imperialism, a way of uniting Muslims in a common cause, that is why Indonesia became Muslim, to unite the people to keep the Europeans out
The people are told to hate by paronoid dellusionists .

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#41351 Jul 24, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
All signs of true brain washing. There is no freedom of thought in Islam. They do not allow critical analysis of any type. It's a case of the blind leading the blind. Over 80% of Muslims can't speak Arabic and that is not counting the one who are illiterate and can't read it either so it is easy to see why they are not only fighting for something that they don't understand but they are also fighting each other because they have different beliefs. If the koran can only be understood in Arabic then there are a hell of a lot of them that are being misled by others who can in a way to suit their own purposes
When Islam acquired other countries how long would it take for those inhabitants to be able to understand Muhammuds language and to read and right it before they could understand the Quranic teachings that would rule their lives ?
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#41352 Jul 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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So just because you do not like truth, we should stop telling you about it?
B
And if you hate "normal marriages", and incline for Sodomy and Lesbian types of relation, we should ban the Normal marriages?
Grow up and try to learn to live with a pinch of salt every morning!!
The TRUTH ??? Do you know anything about TRUTH???

NORMAL MARRIAGE ,,,,tell me all about normal marriages you scum bag!!

Is it NORMAL MARRIAGE when a man marries four wives and marries girls who are nine years old ???
Is that what you consider NORMAL MARRIAGE you stinking muslim pedophile scum bag??

Let me tell you something you scum bag, there is NOTHING you stinking Muslims can tell the West about truth or about normal marriages.

Get the message you slimy stinking Muslim pedophile scum bag ?????
Astra

Blacktown, Australia

#41353 Jul 24, 2013
Muslims normally start off as a small percentage. U.K is an example. They wouldn't take too long to spread.

The following is the snap shot of Muslims in some parts of Europe:

MUSLIMS IN EUROPE

1 million or 15%(Bulgaria)

20%-30%(Cyprus)

30%-40%(Macedonia)

40%-50%(Bosnia and Herzegovina)

80%-90%(Albania)

90%-95%(Kosovo)

95%-100%(Turkey, Azerbaijan)

I haven't even touched on other parts of Europe. For example France has a very high percentage Muslim population.

Feminism is the best family planning that has happened to the western world. They'll make sure the west is extinct (while many celebrate, I don't). The young westerners are pleasure centric, however the smart Muslims are population centric, I know who will will win. Some out here get personal at me for pointing some of these things. They can't see things beyond the usual garbage that goes on here. I have never said the Islamists will take over soon, however the west is spiralling downward. So if it continues the way it is now, there is every chance Muslims will dominate. Egypt, Lebanon, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Kosovo would tell us that it is possible.

For more... http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TB... (click previous page for continuity of thought)

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