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MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#40708 Jun 21, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Enlighten the world by providing your proof that Makkah existed before 150 then just maybe you may wear the "expert" tag yourself.
No let us first hear and see the "proofs" of those who say Makkah existed in 150 CE.

Then you will see how fragile is their proofs and how childish are their claims and how they "decide" on matters connected with other people.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#40709 Jun 21, 2013
MUQ struggles wrote:
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MUQ you only know how to lie. Badly. To yourself. There are no secrets here & you arent dealing with it very well at all.
Firstly there were a number of questions.
One was regarding the factual history of mecca & the false claim of Islam.
Now you make the claim that Mecca & the Quran are eternal.
So on your own twisted logic, where the onus is on you to prove your above claim - prove it.
Show or cite any Pre Islamic history or evidence (and not stale & clearly corrupted Islamic
citations or inventions, but actual factual recorded history & records).
Anything that shows Mecca existed before 150ad and back to 2,700 bc will be helpful, so that you can validate the claim you are making.
Who made the claim that Makkah was "eternal"?

And what proofs you have that Makkah existed only in 150 CE.

Bring out the proofs, why are you hiding them?

Just makings claims is not going to help you, will it?
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#40710 Jun 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Who made the claim that Makkah was "eternal"?
And what proofs you have that Makkah existed only in 150 CE.
Bring out the proofs, why are you hiding them?
Just makings claims is not going to help you, will it?
Bring out the proofs there is an allah or that he exists or that there ever was one!!

Just making claims doesn't help you at all !!
Show us he loves Muslims or does he want them all killed because they are sure killing each other!!
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#40711 Jun 21, 2013
Serpent wrote:
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Bring out the proofs there is an allah or that he exists or that there ever was one!!
Just making claims doesn't help you at all !!
Show us he loves Muslims or does he want them all killed because they are sure killing each other!!
The proofs that Allah Exists are in billions!! Every thing, living or Non Living in this whole Universe is a Proof that their Creator Exists.

Allah loves every one who follows on His guidelines, he does not love any one simply because he or she has a name like Muslim. Unless their beliefs and actions are like true Muslims, Allah does not love them.

Any one killing any innocent human, Muslim or Non Muslim, is a criminal in the eyes of Allah. He will not just pardon that the person killing has a name like a Muslim.

Islam and Muslims are state of beliefs, not a label that one puts on his or her forehead.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#40712 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
No let us first hear and see the "proofs" of those who say Makkah existed in 150 CE.
Then you will see how fragile is their proofs and how childish are their claims and how they "decide" on matters connected with other people.
Don't you make enough comment connected with other people ?
I suppose the old saying that attack is the best form of defence is clearly seen on these threads .
Can you provide a link as to when Makkah was established otherwise this conversation will never see an end ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#40713 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ, where did Muslims men get the idea of growing facial hair ?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#40714 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
MUQ, where did Muslims men get the idea of growing facial hair ?
They didn't have any say in the matter it just grew on them. LOL
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#40715 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Don't you make enough comment connected with other people ?
I suppose the old saying that attack is the best form of defence is clearly seen on these threads .
Can you provide a link as to when Makkah was established otherwise this conversation will never see an end ?
1. No I first want to see the proof of those who insist Makkah only existed at 150 CE.

Let us see the ground on which they stand.

2. I leave most of comments addressed to me!! It is very rarely that I would comment on some one else' message.

If I see some thing very illogical in their posts, I intervene, otherwise I let go most posts.

Did you see me answering any of that Baron Guy's posts addressed to me?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#40716 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
MUQ, where did Muslims men get the idea of growing facial hair ?
Check Jesus' statues hanging in every Church. I have not yet seen any one without beard. Have you?

May be another "crazy idea" to imitate Moses, Jesus and Mohammad, Peace of Allah be on all of them!!

“Turn left at pub Number 42”

Since: Dec 08

Homehill,QLD

#40717 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
MUQ, where did Muslims men get the idea of growing facial hair ?
Monkey see monkey do

Mohammed had a beard
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#40718 Jun 22, 2013
PS:

See the difference in my answer versus our Shielaa the Great.

The depth of her Hatred shows no bottom.

What a perfect Florence Nightingale she would have made in Crimean War!!

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#40719 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
1. No I first want to see the proof of those who insist Makkah only existed at 150 CE.
Let us see the ground on which they stand.
2. I leave most of comments addressed to me!! It is very rarely that I would comment on some one else' message.
If I see some thing very illogical in their posts, I intervene, otherwise I let go most posts.
Did you see me answering any of that Baron Guy's posts addressed to me?
There are many of your comments I skip over as well .

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#40720 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
PS:
See the difference in my answer versus our Shielaa the Great.
The depth of her Hatred shows no bottom.
What a perfect Florence Nightingale she would have made in Crimean War!!
See how MUG shows us all what a liar he is? Here is what he posted

"I leave most of comments addressed to me!! It is very rarely that I would comment on some one else' message"

...and yet he feels compelled to respond to mine even though I am such a "hater". I have his number and he knows it and that is why he responds.

I show Islam for the violent ideology that it is and he comes onto other forums to count how many posts I make to others elsewhere. That is how much he doesn't care what I post. LMAO

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#40721 Jun 22, 2013
AussieBobby wrote:
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Monkey see monkey do
Mohammed had a beard
Why is it compulsory ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#40722 Jun 22, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
See how MUG shows us all what a liar he is? Here is what he posted
"I leave most of comments addressed to me!! It is very rarely that I would comment on some one else' message"
...and yet he feels compelled to respond to mine even though I am such a "hater". I have his number and he knows it and that is why he responds.
I show Islam for the violent ideology that it is and he comes onto other forums to count how many posts I make to others elsewhere. That is how much he doesn't care what I post. LMAO
Maybe MUQ is guilty of jealousness of you.
Peter Hall

Sydney, Australia

#40723 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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I didn't say you had sense I said at last you posted something sensible,don't get too carried away (lol)
Chuck a pig on a spit,you'll feel much better.
HEY I would rather be a pig muncher, especially roast pork with crackling MMMMM. Think Crispy Canadian bacon with poached eggs, yum. Or BBq American spare ribs with hickory smoked BBQ Sauce.

As opposed to a Camel Urine drinking child raping Muslim losers. Do Muslims wash down the human organs they seem to like eating with a nice glass of camel urine?
Peter Hall

Sydney, Australia

#40724 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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No let us first hear and see the "proofs" of those who say Makkah existed in 150 CE.
Then you will see how fragile is their proofs and how childish are their claims and how they "decide" on matters connected with other people.
Its called Evidence.

We know Rome existed, there are written contemporary accounts by other countries, written accounts by occupants and ruins that date to that period.

We know Bethlehem existed at the time of Jesus? Why?

Rome kept records, we have the records, we have ruins that date to the time.

Mecca? Romans never mentioned it, neither did anybody else. There are No records by anybody that date Mecca before 250AD, NONE.

There are no ruins that date to that time, there are no local stories, only the word of Mohammed, and we do not even know if he existed either.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#40725 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
MUQ, where did Muslims men get the idea of growing facial hair ?
-
Saves on razor blades.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#40726 Jun 22, 2013
Peter Hall wrote:
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Its called Evidence.
We know Rome existed, there are written contemporary accounts by other countries, written accounts by occupants and ruins that date to that period.
We know Bethlehem existed at the time of Jesus? Why?
Rome kept records, we have the records, we have ruins that date to the time.
Mecca? Romans never mentioned it, neither did anybody else. There are No records by anybody that date Mecca before 250AD, NONE.
There are no ruins that date to that time, there are no local stories, only the word of Mohammed, and we do not even know if he existed either.
The Romans were maticulous record keepers so that means there had to be maps showing water,roads and cultivation and anything else of value .
MUQ struggles 2

Australia

#40727 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
1. No I first want to see the proof of those who insist Makkah only existed at 150 CE.
Let us see the ground on which they stand.
2. I leave most of comments addressed to me!! It is very rarely that I would comment on some one else' message.
If I see some thing very illogical in their posts, I intervene, otherwise I let go most posts.
Did you see me answering any of that Baron
Guy's posts addressed to me?
MUQ - it's very simple.
I gave you 7 questions about claims that Islam makes.
You said you would answer one question at a time.
The first question was the claim by Islam that Mecca existed at the time of abraham & that he
visited hagar & Ishmael there at the time.
This claim is a fundamental tenet of Islam to claim lineage from Abrahamic lineage.
It's not a metaphor but a literal place and time claim.
That means Mecca existed from around 1,600 bc or even 2,600 bc depending on views on this.
But no Egyptian, Jewish, Greek, Spartan, Yemenite, Nateabean, Roman, Nubian,
Assryrian, or any other records exist of Mecca until 150ad. Then a lot of records do exist.
Records do exist of the first establishment of
Mecca - as a trading post, at around 150ad, after well documented geological changes (a massive series of earthquakes that destroyed the
Yemenite dams further south)- created a
watershed and thus surface water for the first time.
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Mecca was then settled by the bedouin in the area, and Hubal the idol used to pray to Allah
was brought in from Syria in 180ad. Again detailed records exist including adaptations made to the idol (it was second hand) and it's purpose.
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This dates the timeframe the 'Allah' cult was first established in Mecca - being a variant of the summerian Sin or moon god cult.
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The Kaaba or open religious groundground that
every settlement had, was a place every family tribe established their idols for passing trade.
Hubal was one of many brought in - but notable as 'the lord of the kabba' in the religious fairground of the Meccan qureeshi.
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The Kaaba structure did not exist until 360ad, originally as a platform on which Hubal was
placed on top, and finally an enclosed structure around 360ad.
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Ishmaelites (of Ishmael & the book of T'ubah, the
dominant jewish/Yemenite faith in the region) did not worship Allah or Hubal.
Allah was a pagan tribe moon god with Hubal as his earthly messenger, and the black stone as an object worshipped as 'pieces of Allah'.
So allahism or later Islam and ishmaelism were
quite different faith, rituals and beliefs.
The ishmaelites & pagan tribes were in fact at war with each other over these beliefs.
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The Quran as you know did not exist until Uthman wrote his version - sans any input from Muhammad as his final declarations to Ali
rescinding his claims and outlining that Islam had been corrupted by the Bakri (sunni) and he would be murdered by them. Which he was.
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So now you have the context as to why the islamic claim of a Mecca, Kaaba & Quran 'that
existed back to Abraham' appears to have no basis in factual history or events.
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But MUQ, you claim Mecca, and the Kaaba, and the Quran did exist back to 1,600bc or earlier.
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As you make this claim - the simple question again is can you provide proof of that?
Please provide proof of any record in history or scientific evidence that Mecca existed before 150 ad as you claim.

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