Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46812 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#40712 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
No let us first hear and see the "proofs" of those who say Makkah existed in 150 CE.
Then you will see how fragile is their proofs and how childish are their claims and how they "decide" on matters connected with other people.
Don't you make enough comment connected with other people ?
I suppose the old saying that attack is the best form of defence is clearly seen on these threads .
Can you provide a link as to when Makkah was established otherwise this conversation will never see an end ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#40713 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ, where did Muslims men get the idea of growing facial hair ?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#40714 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
MUQ, where did Muslims men get the idea of growing facial hair ?
They didn't have any say in the matter it just grew on them. LOL
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#40715 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you make enough comment connected with other people ?
I suppose the old saying that attack is the best form of defence is clearly seen on these threads .
Can you provide a link as to when Makkah was established otherwise this conversation will never see an end ?
1. No I first want to see the proof of those who insist Makkah only existed at 150 CE.

Let us see the ground on which they stand.

2. I leave most of comments addressed to me!! It is very rarely that I would comment on some one else' message.

If I see some thing very illogical in their posts, I intervene, otherwise I let go most posts.

Did you see me answering any of that Baron Guy's posts addressed to me?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#40716 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
MUQ, where did Muslims men get the idea of growing facial hair ?
Check Jesus' statues hanging in every Church. I have not yet seen any one without beard. Have you?

May be another "crazy idea" to imitate Moses, Jesus and Mohammad, Peace of Allah be on all of them!!

“Turn left at pub Number 42”

Since: Dec 08

Homehill,QLD

#40717 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
MUQ, where did Muslims men get the idea of growing facial hair ?
Monkey see monkey do

Mohammed had a beard
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#40718 Jun 22, 2013
PS:

See the difference in my answer versus our Shielaa the Great.

The depth of her Hatred shows no bottom.

What a perfect Florence Nightingale she would have made in Crimean War!!

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#40719 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
1. No I first want to see the proof of those who insist Makkah only existed at 150 CE.
Let us see the ground on which they stand.
2. I leave most of comments addressed to me!! It is very rarely that I would comment on some one else' message.
If I see some thing very illogical in their posts, I intervene, otherwise I let go most posts.
Did you see me answering any of that Baron Guy's posts addressed to me?
There are many of your comments I skip over as well .

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#40720 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
PS:
See the difference in my answer versus our Shielaa the Great.
The depth of her Hatred shows no bottom.
What a perfect Florence Nightingale she would have made in Crimean War!!
See how MUG shows us all what a liar he is? Here is what he posted

"I leave most of comments addressed to me!! It is very rarely that I would comment on some one else' message"

...and yet he feels compelled to respond to mine even though I am such a "hater". I have his number and he knows it and that is why he responds.

I show Islam for the violent ideology that it is and he comes onto other forums to count how many posts I make to others elsewhere. That is how much he doesn't care what I post. LMAO

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#40721 Jun 22, 2013
AussieBobby wrote:
<quoted text>
Monkey see monkey do
Mohammed had a beard
Why is it compulsory ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#40722 Jun 22, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
See how MUG shows us all what a liar he is? Here is what he posted
"I leave most of comments addressed to me!! It is very rarely that I would comment on some one else' message"
...and yet he feels compelled to respond to mine even though I am such a "hater". I have his number and he knows it and that is why he responds.
I show Islam for the violent ideology that it is and he comes onto other forums to count how many posts I make to others elsewhere. That is how much he doesn't care what I post. LMAO
Maybe MUQ is guilty of jealousness of you.
Peter Hall

Sydney, Australia

#40723 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say you had sense I said at last you posted something sensible,don't get too carried away (lol)
Chuck a pig on a spit,you'll feel much better.
HEY I would rather be a pig muncher, especially roast pork with crackling MMMMM. Think Crispy Canadian bacon with poached eggs, yum. Or BBq American spare ribs with hickory smoked BBQ Sauce.

As opposed to a Camel Urine drinking child raping Muslim losers. Do Muslims wash down the human organs they seem to like eating with a nice glass of camel urine?
Peter Hall

Sydney, Australia

#40724 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
No let us first hear and see the "proofs" of those who say Makkah existed in 150 CE.
Then you will see how fragile is their proofs and how childish are their claims and how they "decide" on matters connected with other people.
Its called Evidence.

We know Rome existed, there are written contemporary accounts by other countries, written accounts by occupants and ruins that date to that period.

We know Bethlehem existed at the time of Jesus? Why?

Rome kept records, we have the records, we have ruins that date to the time.

Mecca? Romans never mentioned it, neither did anybody else. There are No records by anybody that date Mecca before 250AD, NONE.

There are no ruins that date to that time, there are no local stories, only the word of Mohammed, and we do not even know if he existed either.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#40725 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
MUQ, where did Muslims men get the idea of growing facial hair ?
-
Saves on razor blades.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#40726 Jun 22, 2013
Peter Hall wrote:
<quoted text>
Its called Evidence.
We know Rome existed, there are written contemporary accounts by other countries, written accounts by occupants and ruins that date to that period.
We know Bethlehem existed at the time of Jesus? Why?
Rome kept records, we have the records, we have ruins that date to the time.
Mecca? Romans never mentioned it, neither did anybody else. There are No records by anybody that date Mecca before 250AD, NONE.
There are no ruins that date to that time, there are no local stories, only the word of Mohammed, and we do not even know if he existed either.
The Romans were maticulous record keepers so that means there had to be maps showing water,roads and cultivation and anything else of value .
MUQ struggles 2

Australia

#40727 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
1. No I first want to see the proof of those who insist Makkah only existed at 150 CE.
Let us see the ground on which they stand.
2. I leave most of comments addressed to me!! It is very rarely that I would comment on some one else' message.
If I see some thing very illogical in their posts, I intervene, otherwise I let go most posts.
Did you see me answering any of that Baron
Guy's posts addressed to me?
MUQ - it's very simple.
I gave you 7 questions about claims that Islam makes.
You said you would answer one question at a time.
The first question was the claim by Islam that Mecca existed at the time of abraham & that he
visited hagar & Ishmael there at the time.
This claim is a fundamental tenet of Islam to claim lineage from Abrahamic lineage.
It's not a metaphor but a literal place and time claim.
That means Mecca existed from around 1,600 bc or even 2,600 bc depending on views on this.
But no Egyptian, Jewish, Greek, Spartan, Yemenite, Nateabean, Roman, Nubian,
Assryrian, or any other records exist of Mecca until 150ad. Then a lot of records do exist.
Records do exist of the first establishment of
Mecca - as a trading post, at around 150ad, after well documented geological changes (a massive series of earthquakes that destroyed the
Yemenite dams further south)- created a
watershed and thus surface water for the first time.
-
Mecca was then settled by the bedouin in the area, and Hubal the idol used to pray to Allah
was brought in from Syria in 180ad. Again detailed records exist including adaptations made to the idol (it was second hand) and it's purpose.
-
This dates the timeframe the 'Allah' cult was first established in Mecca - being a variant of the summerian Sin or moon god cult.
-
The Kaaba or open religious groundground that
every settlement had, was a place every family tribe established their idols for passing trade.
Hubal was one of many brought in - but notable as 'the lord of the kabba' in the religious fairground of the Meccan qureeshi.
-
The Kaaba structure did not exist until 360ad, originally as a platform on which Hubal was
placed on top, and finally an enclosed structure around 360ad.
-
Ishmaelites (of Ishmael & the book of T'ubah, the
dominant jewish/Yemenite faith in the region) did not worship Allah or Hubal.
Allah was a pagan tribe moon god with Hubal as his earthly messenger, and the black stone as an object worshipped as 'pieces of Allah'.
So allahism or later Islam and ishmaelism were
quite different faith, rituals and beliefs.
The ishmaelites & pagan tribes were in fact at war with each other over these beliefs.
-
The Quran as you know did not exist until Uthman wrote his version - sans any input from Muhammad as his final declarations to Ali
rescinding his claims and outlining that Islam had been corrupted by the Bakri (sunni) and he would be murdered by them. Which he was.
-
So now you have the context as to why the islamic claim of a Mecca, Kaaba & Quran 'that
existed back to Abraham' appears to have no basis in factual history or events.
-
But MUQ, you claim Mecca, and the Kaaba, and the Quran did exist back to 1,600bc or earlier.
-
As you make this claim - the simple question again is can you provide proof of that?
Please provide proof of any record in history or scientific evidence that Mecca existed before 150 ad as you claim.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#40728 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ struggles 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
MUQ - it's very simple.
I gave you 7 questions about claims that Islam makes.
You said you would answer one question at a time.
The first question was the claim by Islam that Mecca existed at the time of abraham & that he
visited hagar & Ishmael there at the time.
This claim is a fundamental tenet of Islam to claim lineage from Abrahamic lineage.
It's not a metaphor but a literal place and time claim.
That means Mecca existed from around 1,600 bc or even 2,600 bc depending on views on this.
But no Egyptian, Jewish, Greek, Spartan, Yemenite, Nateabean, Roman, Nubian,
Assryrian, or any other records exist of Mecca until 150ad. Then a lot of records do exist.
Records do exist of the first establishment of
Mecca - as a trading post, at around 150ad, after well documented geological changes (a massive series of earthquakes that destroyed the
Yemenite dams further south)- created a
watershed and thus surface water for the first time.
-
Mecca was then settled by the bedouin in the area, and Hubal the idol used to pray to Allah
was brought in from Syria in 180ad. Again detailed records exist including adaptations made to the idol (it was second hand) and it's purpose.
-
This dates the timeframe the 'Allah' cult was first established in Mecca - being a variant of the summerian Sin or moon god cult.
-
The Kaaba or open religious groundground that
every settlement had, was a place every family tribe established their idols for passing trade.
Hubal was one of many brought in - but notable as 'the lord of the kabba' in the religious fairground of the Meccan qureeshi.
-
The Kaaba structure did not exist until 360ad, originally as a platform on which Hubal was
placed on top, and finally an enclosed structure around 360ad.
-
Ishmaelites (of Ishmael & the book of T'ubah, the
dominant jewish/Yemenite faith in the region) did not worship Allah or Hubal.
Allah was a pagan tribe moon god with Hubal as his earthly messenger, and the black stone as an object worshipped as 'pieces of Allah'.
So allahism or later Islam and ishmaelism were
quite different faith, rituals and beliefs.
The ishmaelites & pagan tribes were in fact at war with each other over these beliefs.
-
The Quran as you know did not exist until Uthman wrote his version - sans any input from Muhammad as his final declarations to Ali
rescinding his claims and outlining that Islam had been corrupted by the Bakri (sunni) and he would be murdered by them. Which he was.
-
So now you have the context as to why the islamic claim of a Mecca, Kaaba & Quran 'that
existed back to Abraham' appears to have no basis in factual history or events.
-
But MUQ, you claim Mecca, and the Kaaba, and the Quran did exist back to 1,600bc or earlier.
-
As you make this claim - the simple question again is can you provide proof of that?
Please provide proof of any record in history or scientific evidence that Mecca existed before 150 ad as you claim.
Where were the black stones housed before Muhhumud took possession ?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#40729 Jun 22, 2013
MUQ struggles 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
MUQ - it's very simple.
I gave you 7 questions about claims that Islam makes.
You said you would answer one question at a time.
The first question was the claim by Islam that Mecca existed at the time of abraham & that he
visited hagar & Ishmael there at the time.
This claim is a fundamental tenet of Islam to claim lineage from Abrahamic lineage.
It's not a metaphor but a literal place and time claim.
That means Mecca existed from around 1,600 bc or even 2,600 bc depending on views on this.
But no Egyptian, Jewish, Greek, Spartan, Yemenite, Nateabean, Roman, Nubian,
Assryrian, or any other records exist of Mecca until 150ad. Then a lot of records do exist.
Records do exist of the first establishment of
Mecca - as a trading post, at around 150ad, after well documented geological changes (a massive series of earthquakes that destroyed the
Yemenite dams further south)- created a
watershed and thus surface water for the first time.
-
Mecca was then settled by the bedouin in the area, and Hubal the idol used to pray to Allah
was brought in from Syria in 180ad. Again detailed records exist including adaptations made to the idol (it was second hand) and it's purpose.
-
This dates the timeframe the 'Allah' cult was first established in Mecca - being a variant of the summerian Sin or moon god cult.
-
The Kaaba or open religious groundground that
every settlement had, was a place every family tribe established their idols for passing trade.
Hubal was one of many brought in - but notable as 'the lord of the kabba' in the religious fairground of the Meccan qureeshi.
-
The Kaaba structure did not exist until 360ad, originally as a platform on which Hubal was
placed on top, and finally an enclosed structure around 360ad.
-
Ishmaelites (of Ishmael & the book of T'ubah, the
dominant jewish/Yemenite faith in the region) did not worship Allah or Hubal.
Allah was a pagan tribe moon god with Hubal as his earthly messenger, and the black stone as an object worshipped as 'pieces of Allah'.
So allahism or later Islam and ishmaelism were
quite different faith, rituals and beliefs.
The ishmaelites & pagan tribes were in fact at war with each other over these beliefs.
-
The Quran as you know did not exist until Uthman wrote his version - sans any input from Muhammad as his final declarations to Ali
rescinding his claims and outlining that Islam had been corrupted by the Bakri (sunni) and he would be murdered by them. Which he was.
-
So now you have the context as to why the islamic claim of a Mecca, Kaaba & Quran 'that
existed back to Abraham' appears to have no basis in factual history or events.
-
But MUQ, you claim Mecca, and the Kaaba, and the Quran did exist back to 1,600bc or earlier.
-
As you make this claim - the simple question again is can you provide proof of that?
Please provide proof of any record in history or scientific evidence that Mecca existed before 150 ad as you claim.
-
MUQ will only answer simple questions, once you ask questions that are to involved, he will ignore your questions or give you answer on subjects you never asked.
-
MUQ and almost all educated Muslims are aware that Islam and the Qur'an are full of lies and errors.
-
In the same breath they will quote you articles out of the Qur'an and when you answer back, you will get a comment of did you read the Qur'an in Arabic or some will even ask did you read the Qur'an in classical Arabic as if all Muslims world wide can read and write.
-
Reading the Qur'an in any other language you will never be able to understand the Qur'an, for up to to-day no could re write a book similar to the Qur'an for it is a Miracle from God.
=
My answer is Yes I have read the Qur'an in Arabic and so are the works of Shakespeare a Miracle from God for up to today no one can rewrite Shakesspear's work, and Shakespeare work is also full of errors, lies and fantasy, same as what the Qur'an is, full errors lies and fantasy.
Black stone quick history

Australia

#40730 Jun 22, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Where were the black stones housed before Muhhumud took possession ?
The black stone (singular) was taken from an area to the east of Mecca where pagan Arabs would often visit to collect meteorites or other unusual stones to worship. Many kaaba's existed at this time, any Arab settlement had a 'Kaaba' area, and the stone objects were worshipped as elements 'sent from the heavens'.
The Mecca black stone was estimated to be around 60kg and about 300cm in diameter / so heavy & also 'contiguous' ie of one origin and melted or fused. After 180ad it was dragged to Mecca and used as a 'proof' of Allah / being 'pieces of Allah' etc. It was placed next to Hubal the Moabite red stone idol imported from syria in 180ad who became 'lord of the Kaaba' and the 'messenger of Allah' via divinity arrows on a dial on the idols chest that were spun by the tribal family after tribute was paid.
When the Mecca kaaba building was completed from it's original platform in 360 ad it was placed inside with Hubal (who previously was in the
roof).
In that area Vedic (Indian) & Sabean cults existed and were fused into a Venus star (planet) and moon god (Allah) fertility ritual. The pagan Arabs paraded naked around the black stone and the women daubed their menses or body fluids on the black stone, the men then sniffed, fingered and licked the stone and selected a woman for sex.
-
It had a basis in practically - the Arabs were extremely inbred, and these ritualistic gatherings much like goats or camels did help diversify and randomize the gene pool when a sense of smell or immunity was used by the male to select a mating partner.
-
The 7 circumlocutions of the black stone is
Vedic, the moon and star (venus) is Sabean.
-
Thus the origin of Islam was already a polytheistic pagan adaptation of wider beliefs in the area.
Muhammad was sent to Mecca to pacify & convert the pagan quresshi to a form of Judaism - the book of T'ubah which forms most of the basis of Islam. He went heretic and was outcast by the jews (624ad). He then invented the apostasy of Islam fusing the Jewish (ishmaelite) and pagan Arab beliefs & rituals into what then became Islam. He formed secret treaties with the pagan Arab tribes of Medina, and then attacked the Jews and ishmaelite aligned tribes.
Muhammad replaced Hubal as the 'messenger of Allah' and cemeted the black stone into the kaaba, he liked the fertility ritual, was a keen participant and that has now become the Haj.
-
In 924 the quarmations attacked Mecca, destroyed most of it and took away the black stone to stop object and pagan worship. The black stone was deconsecrated, defiled and later smashed into thousands of fragments into the desert at Hajar. 18 years later the meccans paid a huge ransom for a handful of fragments and these were glued to a resin base and placed inside the silver vuvla on the Syrian or western corner of the Kaaba.
In 1922, king abduallah (jack phibly) the father of Saudi arabia and a keen wahabbist asked british scientists to test the black stone as being authentic.
They found that the various fragments (no more than 400 grams or so) were" common feldspar" or desert gravel and NOT of common origin.
The results are on record in the british museum.
The black stone is as fake as the rest of Islam.
Beats the Anglicans

Australia

#40731 Jun 22, 2013
Black stone quick history wrote:
<quoted text>
The black stone (singular) was taken from an area to the east of Mecca where pagan Arabs would often visit to collect meteorites or other unusual stones to worship. Many kaaba's existed at this time, any Arab settlement had a 'Kaaba' area, and the stone objects were worshipped as elements 'sent from the heavens'.
-
The Mecca black stone was estimated to be around 60kg and about 300cm in diameter / so heavy & also 'contiguous' ie of one origin and
melted or fused.
-
After 180ad it was dragged to Mecca and used as a 'proof' of Allah / being 'pieces of Allah' etc. It was placed next to Hubal the Moabite red stone
idol imported from syria in 180ad who became 'lord of the Kaaba' and the 'messenger of Allah' via divinity arrows on a dial on the idols chest
that were spun by the tribal family after tribute was paid.
-
When the Mecca kaaba building was completed
from it's original platform in 360 ad it was placed inside with Hubal (who previously was in the
roof).
-
In that area Vedic (Indian) & Sabean cults existed and were fused into a Venus star (planet)
and moon god (Allah) fertility ritual.
****
The pagan Arabs paraded naked around the black stone and the women daubed their menses
or body fluids on the black stone, the men then sniffed, fingered and licked the stone and selected a woman for sex.
**^^^^^^^^
-
It had a basis in practically - the Arabs were
extremely inbred, and these ritualistic gatherings much like goats or camels did help diversify and randomize the gene pool when a sense of smell
or immunity was used by the male to select a mating partner.
-
The 7 circumlocutions of the black stone is
Vedic, the moon and star (venus) is Sabean.
-
Thus the origin of Islam was already a polytheistic pagan adaptation of wider beliefs in
the area.
Muhammad was sent to Mecca to pacify & convert the pagan quresshi to a form of Judaism
- the book of T'ubah which forms most of the basis of Islam.
He went heretic and was outcast by the jews (624ad). He then invented the apostasy of Islam
fusing the Jewish (ishmaelite) and pagan Arab beliefs & rituals into what then became Islam.
He formed secret treaties with the pagan Arab tribes of Medina, and then attacked the Jews and
ishmaelite aligned tribes.
-
Muhammad replaced Hubal as the 'messenger of Allah' and cemeted the black stone into the
kaaba, he liked the fertility ritual, was a keen participant and that has now become the Haj.
-
In 924 the quarmations attacked Mecca,
destroyed most of it and took away the black stone to stop object and pagan worship.
The black stone was deconsecrated, defiled and later smashed into thousands of fragments into
the desert at Hajar.
18 years later the meccans paid a huge ransom for a handful of fragments and these were glued to a resin base and placed inside the silver
vulva on the Syrian or western corner of the Kaaba.
-
In 1922, king abduallah (jack phibly) the father of Saudi arabia and a keen wahabbist asked british scientists to test the black stone as being
authentic.
-
They found that the various fragments (no more than 400 grams or so) were" common feldspar"
or desert gravel and NOT of common origin.
The results are on record in the british museum.
-
The black stone is as fake as the rest of Islam.
Be good if our church had such sex rituals !!
Can you imagine the women & girls of the parish parading around dabbing themselves on a holy rock.... and then the men & boys sniffing and licking it and then selecting a female for sex!!'
No wonder the Muslims are so keen to do the Haj !!!

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