Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46820 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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oinkoinkbuster

Australia

#40683 Jun 20, 2013
WELL CONVICTS, LETS HAVE YOUR RANTS.....LLOL,LLOL,

Russian President Vladimir Putin can take credit for standing up to the G8 warmongers on Syria. Thanks to the feisty Russian leader’s political courage, an all-out war in Syria may have been averted - at least for now.

Only days ago, Western media were touting that Putin would be given a political drubbing at the G8 summit in Northern Ireland this week by the US, Britain and France - the three main NATO powers pushing for regime change in Syria.

The arrogance and spite awaiting Putin was summed up by Washington’s Canadian puppet prime minister, Stephen Harper, when he accused, through media channels, the Russian president of supporting “thugs in Syria”.

Harper said:“I don't think we should fool ourselves. This is G7 plus one. We in the West have a very different perspective on this situation. Mr Putin and his government are supporting the thugs of the Assad regime.”

When the conference opened, Putin didn’t waste time on a minion like Harper. He had bigger fish to fry. During the summit, Putin told Obama, Cameron and Hollande face-to-face that Russia was standing firm in its support for the government of President Bashar al Assad in Damascus. He warned that any plans by the Western powers to openly supply weapons to anti-government militants in Syria was against international law and would destabilize the region; and Putin refused to revoke a deal by Russia to deliver anti-aircraft defence missiles to Syria, pointing out that the transaction was a legal bilateral agreement between sovereign countries.

In one fell swoop, Putin used the auspices of the annual G8 forum to debunk Western lies and propaganda on Syria and to reiterate the facts of international relations, namely, that Syria is a sovereign country with a sovereign government.

Earlier, British Prime Minister David Cameron, who hosted the two-day summit in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh, was betting along with US President Barack Obama and French President Francois Hollande that the G8 meeting would cause Putin to wilt under their combined pressure.

Far from wilting, the Russian leader stood his ground and ended up tying his pusillanimous adversaries up in knots. Putin showed the courage of conviction; the others had the courage of conmen.

Last week, the Americans, British and French tried to pile the pressure on Putin with lurid claims that the Syrian government had used chemical weapons of mass destruction. Those claims were of course bogus, but they were aimed at creating a red line pretext for the NATO powers to openly begin sending weapons to their proxy mercenaries fighting in Syria to bring down Assad.

Washington duly followed last week with official approval for supplying weapons, at least in principle, just as the British and French had done in preceding weeks. The gang of three also mulled the setting up of “no-fly zones” on Syria’s southern flank over the border from Jordan. News that the Americans were leaving F-16 fighter jets, Osprey troop-carrying planes and Patriot missiles inside Jordan following recent war exercises may also be seen as a calculated threat of NATO intervention in Syria.

So, as the leaders of the G8 countries gathered in Northern Ireland at the start of this week, the pressure was on Putin to give ground on policy towards Russia’s ally, Syria. In particular, the objective of the US, Britain and France was to get the Russian leader to throw Syria’s Assad to the wolves.

The ousting of Assad has been the top foreign political priority of the Western regimes for more than two years. Under the cynical guise of supporting a “pro-democracy uprising”, Washington and the two former colonial powers have plunged Syria into a maelstrom of violence that has resulted in more than 90,000 deaths. The NATO brigands have in effect been holding a gun to the Syrian people’s head in a bid to enforce their criminal scheme of regime change.
oinkoinkbuster

Australia

#40684 Jun 20, 2013
Last weekend, former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas confirmed this criminal conspiracy. Dumas told French media how British officials had briefed him on a secret plan for sabotaging Syria - more than two years before conflict in that country flared up in March 2011.

We also know from the American neocon Project for a New American Century and separate disclosures by former US NATO General Wesley Clark that Washington was working on a similar pernicious plot against Syria more than 10 years ago.

The Russians fell for the NATO charade on Libya, with the much-vaunted “no-fly zone” and “responsibility to protect” turning into a murderous blitzkrieg to topple Muammar Gaddafi.

But Moscow seems now to have rumbled NATO’s rolling plan across the Middle East. Russia knows that this regime change is predicated on permanent war that won’t stop at Syria. It is an agenda for total domination across the oil- and gas-rich region that is also targeting Moscow’s other ally, Iran, and will eventually target Russia itself.

At the G8 meeting, British Prime Minister David Cameron did his best to sound consensual.“We have overcome our fundamental differences,” he said with fake tones of fraternity. Cameron was probably still wincing from the rhetorical slap in the face he received from Putin before the G8 summit began, when the Russian leader effectively accused Britain at a press conference in Downing Street of wanting to support organ-eaters and cannibals in Syria.

The G8 summit ended this week with a vaguely stated commitment to end the violence in Syria. That commitment is not worth the paper that it is written on given the underlying criminal intent of Washington, London and Paris. But, importantly, the final G8 communiqué had the glaring omission of calling for President Assad’s ouster. Officially, at least, that American, British and French demand has been given short shrift under G8 terms.

The Western regime-change plan in Syria - already suffering major military defeats on the ground - just received another blow from President Putin who defiantly resisted NATO pressure for betrayal.

Putin stood up to the NATO bullies, showed them to be non-entities, and he drew his own red line on Syria. His courage on display in Northern Ireland this week may just be enough to avert the all-out war that the Western imperialist states have been recklessly driving towards.

FC/NN


Finian Cunningham, originally from Belfast, Ireland, was born in 1963. He is a prominent expert in international affairs. The author and media commentator was expelled from Bahrain in June 2011 for his critical journalism in which he highlighted human rights violations by the Western-backed regime. He is a Master’s graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a scientific editor for the Royal Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a career in journalism. He is also a musician and songwriter. For many years, he worked as an editor and writer in the mainstream news media, including The Mirror, Irish Times and Independent. He is now based in East Africa where he is writing a book on Bahrain and the Arab Spring.He co-hosts a weekly current affairs programme, Sunday at 3pm GMT on Bandung Radio. More articles by Finian Cunningham

How come you smart. intelligent, educated, savvy dikheads never respond to educated and serious journalists from the west, they are not Muslims so how come they have the capacity for truth but you don't? is it because your origins are criminal...???????
SydneySider

Australia

#40685 Jun 20, 2013
oinkoinkbuster wrote:
<quoted text>
No NO pig muncher we will not let you die, First we will convert you to islam and teach you proper manners and teach you that men shouldn't be screwing men, women shouldn't be trying to screw women (the tool is missing anyway)...LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,
We will clean up that stupid heap of toilet paper you call bible because nothing of its original form remains, we will save your children from being screwed in their churches by your holy men, err holee men,LLOL,LLOL,LLOL, there is a whole err hole lot of work to done to fix you convicts... LLOL,LLOL, do not despair Muslims are at hand, it wont be long now.
Finally, we will start a program to incubate your fat arsed females who are dying to get laid since you diksuks are busy playing with each other...LLOL,LLOL,LLOL, our intention is to improve your pig meat infested bloodline and then perhaps you oink oinks will learn how to carry out a civilised conversation.....kapeesh....
There is a good reason I never take anything seriously on this forum, after 20,000 odd posts not one pig muncher has been able to make a valid or even a pertinent point with regards to Islamic faith except uneducated rants, Errr Barking and Barking and Barking, shame on you peasants, is there not one intelligent man errr pig muncher amongst you? LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,
Go and do something good for your own people. Go to countries like Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia, Mali those are places where you can prove that you are hero, not here in Australia hiding behind the monitor and acting like a such dedicated religious Muslim.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#40686 Jun 20, 2013
oinkoinkbuster wrote:
Last weekend, former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas confirmed this criminal conspiracy. Dumas told French media how British officials had briefed him on a secret plan for sabotaging Syria - more than two years before conflict in that country flared up in March 2011.
We also know from the American neocon Project for a New American Century and separate disclosures by former US NATO General Wesley Clark that Washington was working on a similar pernicious plot against Syria more than 10 years ago.
The Russians fell for the NATO charade on Libya, with the much-vaunted “no-fly zone” and “responsibility to protect” turning into a murderous blitzkrieg to topple Muammar Gaddafi.
But Moscow seems now to have rumbled NATO’s rolling plan across the Middle East. Russia knows that this regime change is predicated on permanent war that won’t stop at Syria. It is an agenda for total domination across the oil- and gas-rich region that is also targeting Moscow’s other ally, Iran, and will eventually target Russia itself.
At the G8 meeting, British Prime Minister David Cameron did his best to sound consensual.“We have overcome our fundamental differences,” he said with fake tones of fraternity. Cameron was probably still wincing from the rhetorical slap in the face he received from Putin before the G8 summit began, when the Russian leader effectively accused Britain at a press conference in Downing Street of wanting to support organ-eaters and cannibals in Syria.
The G8 summit ended this week with a vaguely stated commitment to end the violence in Syria. That commitment is not worth the paper that it is written on given the underlying criminal intent of Washington, London and Paris. But, importantly, the final G8 communiqué had the glaring omission of calling for President Assad’s ouster. Officially, at least, that American, British and French demand has been given short shrift under G8 terms.
The Western regime-change plan in Syria - already suffering major military defeats on the ground - just received another blow from President Putin who defiantly resisted NATO pressure for betrayal.
Putin stood up to the NATO bullies, showed them to be non-entities, and he drew his own red line on Syria. His courage on display in Northern Ireland this week may just be enough to avert the all-out war that the Western imperialist states have been recklessly driving towards.
FC/NN
Finian Cunningham, originally from Belfast, Ireland, was born in 1963. He is a prominent expert in international affairs. The author and media commentator was expelled from Bahrain in June 2011 for his critical journalism in which he highlighted human rights violations by the Western-backed regime. He is a Master’s graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a scientific editor for the Royal Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a career in journalism. He is also a musician and songwriter. For many years, he worked as an editor and writer in the mainstream news media, including The Mirror, Irish Times and Independent. He is now based in East Africa where he is writing a book on Bahrain and the Arab Spring.He co-hosts a weekly current affairs programme, Sunday at 3pm GMT on Bandung Radio. More articles by Finian Cunningham
How come you smart. intelligent, educated, savvy dikheads never respond to educated and serious journalists from the west, they are not Muslims so how come they have the capacity for truth but you don't? is it because your origins are criminal...???????
What's your point, so the war goes on Assad gets to continue slaughtering syrian people, makes you happy does it, what are you doing in australia, get to syria you coward and help your brothers, do us a favour see if you can get yourself killed while you are there.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#40688 Jun 20, 2013
What's your point, so the war goes on Assad gets to continue slaughtering syrian people, makes you happy does it, what are you doing in australia, get to syria you coward and help your brothers, do us a favour see if you can get yourself killed while you are there.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#40689 Jun 20, 2013
oinkoinkbuster wrote:
<quoted text>
No NO pig muncher we will not let you die, First we will convert you to islam and teach you proper manners and teach you that men shouldn't be screwing men, women shouldn't be trying to screw women (the tool is missing anyway)...LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,
We will clean up that stupid heap of toilet paper you call bible because nothing of its original form remains, we will save your children from being screwed in their churches by your holy men, err holee men,LLOL,LLOL,LLOL, there is a whole err hole lot of work to done to fix you convicts... LLOL,LLOL, do not despair Muslims are at hand, it wont be long now.
Finally, we will start a program to incubate your fat arsed females who are dying to get laid since you diksuks are busy playing with each other...LLOL,LLOL,LLOL, our intention is to improve your pig meat infested bloodline and then perhaps you oink oinks will learn how to carry out a civilised conversation.....kapeesh....
There is a good reason I never take anything seriously on this forum, after 20,000 odd posts not one pig muncher has been able to make a valid or even a pertinent point with regards to Islamic faith except uneducated rants, Errr Barking and Barking and Barking, shame on you peasants, is there not one intelligent man errr pig muncher amongst you? LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,
You are speaking to an intelligent informer that is currently devouring a succulent roasted pork sandwich .
I am not a Christian I prefer to take my direction directly from god not some middleman who's story is much like science fiction.
It has been suggested on these threads that people like you are bi sexual so I am wondering if you like sinking your sav into others much like your own sexual identity whilst wearing out the pages of the Kama Sutra ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#40690 Jun 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
How are you "Sure" that Makkah existed after 150 CE?
Did you people put a guard there that it should not disappear?
Not a very good answer MUQ, may I suggest that you prove what was said being wrong instead of replying in a childish manner.
brendon

Australia

#40691 Jun 20, 2013
oinkoinkbuster wrote:
Oh sorrow for convicts, cry your pig munching hearts out.....LLOL
In 2003 US corporations were ordered by Evangelical bosses to donate computers to Evangelical Church groups. Then AOL began offering free internet service via 3 month trails handed out at Churches. The Pastors at the Evangelical Churches were told to tell people who took a computer to online and harras insult humilate Moslems and Arabs and promote the war on Iraq. The war didn't go according to plan and more people have ended up converting to Islam, and defeat in Afghanistan is forcing pig munchers to hide behind their fat arsed women,,,,,,,LLOL,LLOL,LLOL
haha sooo frigging funny loser.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#40692 Jun 20, 2013
Serpent wrote:
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The world produced 45 million refugees last year MUQ!!
Almost all of them came from Muslim countries!!

A lot of these Muslims are being taken in by Christian western countries..
Tell me MUQ, do Muslim countries do the same for Christian Western refugees ??
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You Christians are so stupid not to realise, that is the only way we know how to infiltrate your country, and take it over once we reach 20% of the population one at time we will take over the West, and all you people with a big mouth will one day be a Muslims. and pray to Allah.
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No more Bikinis on the beaches, no more half naked beauty contest no more beer no more wines all women who are virgins on dxay of take over will remain virgins on their marriage day, all girls who have not had their clits removed will have to visit a Muslim doctor and have it done immediately, all Pigs will be slaughtered and buried all Christan churches will now be Mosque, all sport for women will banned.
All women will be dressed modestly with a veil and a Bur'qah
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The only sex for males is the local donkey sheep or goat or if you are lucky and have a sister you are allowed to only fck her little arsehole to make sure her husband gets a virgin.
You will have to pray to Allah 5 times a day and visit the Mosque every Friday.
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The only problem we will have who is going to work to pay the taxes to make sure we all can collect the dole.
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The solution is not to have the Jew pigs rats convert to Islam.
Make them work twice as much.
How are 13 million Jews going to support 7 Billion Muslims.
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Now everyone who read the above must realise we have to get rid of Islam in Australia before they reach the 5% mark
The danger point of no return is the 5%

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Ignore what the do gooders tell you, that there are good Muslims, and yes I agree the do gooders there are good Muslims.
Rook Wood Cemetery is full of them.
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This is what you can get if you allow Islam into Australia, this is a copy and paste from an other website.
Here you can see how peaceful Islam is:
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Please understand MUQ is in many other threads, most likely MUQ is paid to spread Islam.
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MUQ also pays visits to the thread
Islam Will Conquer Italy and the Entire West
Message 222225 page 10634
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T1M...

Algerianooo wrote:
<quoted text>
If i wanted to murder you no one can stop me , believe me
i know French family live in Algeria they are Christian
i have no problem with them
but i will fak any Shia in Algeria , my country never accept
the sucumbag , so all Shia must stay away from Algeria
my words are clear ,

Maybe we should stop being so passive and learn how to scream and dance and yell allahu akbar, allahu akbar, allahu akbar when we get the legal approval to cut their testicles off, spay the women for those who want to Call Australia home.
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If they choose not to want to offer their Testicles or ovaries to one of our Gods with other words.
No cutting of testicles, no spaying of womnen we send them back to any of the Islamic countries that will take them or where they want to be send to, with tattoos on their foreheads never to be returned.
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Are we aware that Australia is spending on allowing the ungrateful Refugees Muslims into Australia.

Correct me if am wrong but it is costing us, the way I read it figures 1.4 Billion up to $6 Billion dollars a year.
Let us take the smaller sum of 1.4 Billion.
That is at least 1 fully equipped Hospital every year we could of build.

If these Muslims only worked and paid taxes it would be no problem.
But guess what they go on the dole and receive lets say they get the lowest amount of social security payments
The normal Centrelink welfare payment is $456 per fortnight,
http://www.kochie.com.au/the-real-benefits-fo...

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#40693 Jun 20, 2013
oinkoinkbuster wrote:
Last weekend, former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas confirmed this criminal conspiracy.???????
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This oinkoinkbuster is on full social security.
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Here we have one those Muslims on social security living in a subsidised house, that you and I are paying for.
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Back in their own country they live in homes that we would be shamed to house our pigs in and they come here and complain how bad the Hostels are.
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Why does Bob Carr not take a trip to there, so he can see how these Feral pigs live.
This Guy oinkoinkbuster has that many different names, one never know what his next nick name will be, So far I have counted 10 different nick names that has used so far.
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His daddy killed his mother and she is in RookWood and Daddy is in Grafton.
Daddy is claiming honour killing he saying he should not be jailed.
Daddy caught Mommy doing sex with an Emigration officer to make her process into Australia streamlined.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#40694 Jun 20, 2013
oinkoinkbuster wrote:
<quoted text>
oinkoinkbuster wrote:
Oh sorrow for convicts, cry your pig munching hearts out.....LLOL
In 2003 US corporations were ordered by Evangelical bosses to donate computers to Evangelical Church groups. Then AOL began offering free internet service via 3 month trails handed out at Churches. The Pastors at the Evangelical Churches were told to tell people who took a computer to online and harras insult humilate Moslems and Arabs and promote the war on Iraq. The war didn't go according to plan and more people have ended up converting to Islam, and defeat in Afghanistan is forcing pig munchers to hide behind their fat arsed women,,,,,,,LLOL,LLOL,LLOL
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One thing Muslims have is that they read fabricated stories that are made up in the Middle east and Muslims world over believe those stories.
As each and every Muslim will tell you that it was the Jews who flew those place into the twin towers on 9/11
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The Muslims will tell you how they won the wars with Israel zand had the Jews running.
The Muslims will tell you there was no Holocaust.
Muslims will tell you they invented soap.
When soap was already used 2800 years before Christ was born.
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An excavation of ancient Babylon revealed evidence that Babylonians were making soap around 2800 B.C. Babylonians were the first one to master the art of soap making. They made soap from fats boiled with ashes. Soap was used in cleaning wool and cotton used in textile manufacture and was used medicinally for at least 5000 years.

The Ebers papyrus (Egypt, 1550 BC) reveals that the ancient Egyptians mixed animal and vegetable oils with alkaline salts to produce a soap-like substance.

According the Pliny the Elder, the Phoenicians used goat's tallow and wood ashes to create soap in 600BC. Early Romans made soaps in the first century A.D. from urine and soap was widely known in the Roman Empire
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Muslims have this silly notion that is it was originally from the Middle east it has to be Muslim.
2800 BC Muhammad was not even a twinkle in his great grandfather's testicles.
Muhammad was born in the year 570 Anno Domini <<< medans the year of our Lord Jesus or they also use 570CE
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Of all the Nobel prizes the Middle Eastern Arabs could only produce 4 men out of 700 million Middle east Arab Muslims

The Jews with 13 million people 187 Nobel prize winners.
There is nothing that these Feral pigs Muslim use that was not invented or created by a JEW and they want to kill the Jews.
Jake

Brisbane, Australia

#40695 Jun 20, 2013
oinkoinkbuster wrote:
Oh sorrow for convicts, cry your pig munching hearts out.....LLOL
In 2003 US corporations were ordered by Evangelical bosses to donate computers to Evangelical Church groups. Then AOL began offering free internet service via 3 month trails handed out at Churches. The Pastors at the Evangelical Churches were told to tell people who took a computer to online and harras insult humilate Moslems and Arabs and promote the war on Iraq. The war didn't go according to plan and more people have ended up converting to Islam, and defeat in Afghanistan is forcing pig munchers to hide behind their fat arsed women,,,,,,,LLOL,LLOL,LLOL
So what are you saying ? you`d like to finger mohummeds ass ? really ?? do you love the taste of his cock ?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#40696 Jun 21, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a very good answer MUQ, may I suggest that you prove what was said being wrong instead of replying in a childish manner.
Thanks for your "expert" comment.

What I said was very logical, the burden of proof is with the one who makes claim.

He said that there is no "proof" that Makkah existed prior to 150 CE, let him bring the proof.

We have proof that Makkah existed "continuously" from the Time of Prophet Abraham and Ishmael.

And that proof is from Quran, the most truthful and preserved book on the face of earth.

So let us first see and analyze his proof.

I did not made any wrong reply. I know how to deal with people who make such claims (and I will tell you the secret, once we are through)!!

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#40697 Jun 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for your "expert" comment.
What I said was very logical, the burden of proof is with the one who makes claim.
He said that there is no "proof" that Makkah existed prior to 150 CE, let him bring the proof.
We have proof that Makkah existed "continuously" from the Time of Prophet Abraham and Ishmael.
And that proof is from Quran, the most truthful and preserved book on the face of earth.
So let us first see and analyze his proof.
I did not made any wrong reply. I know how to deal with people who make such claims (and I will tell you the secret, once we are through)!!
Enlighten the world by providing your proof that Makkah existed before 150 then just maybe you may wear the "expert" tag yourself.
MUQ struggles

Australia

#40698 Jun 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for your "expert" comment.
What I said was very logical, the burden of proof is with the one who makes claim.
He said that there is no "proof" that Makkah existed prior to 150 CE, let him bring the proof.
We have proof that Makkah existed "continuously" from the Time of Prophet Abraham and Ishmael.
And that proof is from Quran, the most truthful
and preserved book on the face of earth.
So let us first see and analyze his proof.
I did not made any wrong reply. I know how to deal with people who make such claims (and I
will tell you the secret, once we are through)!!
MUQ you only know how to lie. Badly. To yourself. There are no secrets here & you arent dealing with it very well at all.
Firstly there were a number of questions.
One was regarding the factual history of mecca & the false claim of Islam.
Now you make the claim that Mecca & the Quran are eternal.
So on your own twisted logic, where the onus is on you to prove your above claim - prove it.
Show or cite any Pre Islamic history or evidence (and not stale & clearly corrupted Islamic
citations or inventions, but actual factual recorded history & records).
Anything that shows Mecca existed before 150ad and back to 2,700 bc will be helpful, so that you can validate the claim you are making.

oinkoinkbuster

Australia

#40699 Jun 21, 2013
Hey Convicts any idea who Jhon Pilger is ? LLOL, Now Bark Bogans LLOL,LLOL,LLOL

PRISM and the Rise of a New Fascism
by JOHN PILGER

In his book Propaganda, published in 1928, Edward Bernays wrote:“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organised habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society.

“Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.”

The American nephew of Sigmund Freud, Bernays invented the term “public relations” as a euphemism for state propaganda. He warned that an enduring threat to the invisible government was the truth-teller and an enlightened public.

In 1971, the whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg leaked US government files known as the Pentagon Papers, which showed that the invasion of Vietnam was based on systematic lying. Four years later, Frank Church conducted sensational hearings in the Senate: one of the last flickers of American democracy. These laid bare the extent of the invisible government: the domestic spying and subversion and warmongering by intelligence and “security” agencies and the backing they received from big business and the media, both conservative and liberal.

Speaking about the National Security Agency (NSA), Senator Church said:“I know the capacity that there is to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law ... so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”

On 11 June, following the revelations in the Guardian by the NSA contractor Edward Snowden, Ellsberg wrote that the US had now fallen into “that abyss”.

Snowden’s revelation that Washington has used Google, Facebook, Apple and other giants of consumer technology to spy on almost everyone is further evidence of a modern form of fascism. Having nurtured oldfashioned fascists around the world – from Latin America to Africa and Indonesia – the genie has risen at home. Understanding this is as important as understanding the criminal abuse of technology.

Fred Branfman, who exposed the “secret” destruction of tiny Laos by the US air force in the 1960s and 1970s, provides an answer to those who still wonder how a liberal African-American president, a professor of constitutional law, can command such lawlessness.“Under Mr Obama, America is still far from being a classic police-state ...” he wrote.“But no president has done more to create the infrastructure for a possible future police state.” Why? Because Obama understands that his role is not to indulge those who voted for him but to expand “the most powerful institution in the history of the world, one that has killed, wounded or made homeless well over 20 million human beings, mostly civilians, since 1962”.

In the new American cyberpower, only the revolving doors have changed. The director of Google Ideas, Jared Cohen, was an adviser to Condoleezza Rice, the former secretary of state in the Bush administration who lied that Saddam Hussein could attack the US with nuclear weapons. Cohen and Google’s executive chairman, Eric Schmidt – they met in the ruins of Iraq – have co-authored a book, The New Digital Age, endorsed as visionary by the former CIA director Michael Hayden and the war criminals Henry Kissinger and Tony Blair. The authors make no mention of the Prism spying programme, revealed by Snowden, that provides the NSA with access to all of us who use Google.
oinkoinkbuster

Australia

#40700 Jun 21, 2013
Control and dominance are the two words that make sense of this. These are exercised by political, economic and military design, of which mass surveillance is an essential part, but also by insinuating propaganda into the public consciousness. This was Edward Bernays’s point. His two most successful PR campaigns convinced Americans that they should go to war in 1917 and persuaded women to smoke in public; cigarettes were “torches of freedom” that would hasten women’s liberation.

It is in popular culture that the fraudulent “ideal” of America as morally superior, a “leader of the free world”, has been most effective. Yet even during Hollywood’s most jingoistic periods there were exceptional films, such as those of the exiled Stanley Kubrick, and adventurous European films would find US distributors. These days there is no Kubrick, no Strangelove, and the US market is almost closed to foreign films.

When I showed my own film The War on Democracy to a major, liberal-minded US distributor, I was handed a laundry list of changes, to “ensure the movie is acceptable”. His memorable sop to me was:“OK, maybe we could drop in Sean Penn as narrator. Would that satisfy you?” Kathryn Bigelow’s torture-apologising Zero Dark Thirty and, this year, Alex Gibney’s We Steal Secrets, a cinematic hatchet job on Julian Assange, were made with generous backing by Universal Studios, whose parent company until recently was General Electric. GE manufactures weapons, components for fighter aircraft and advanced surveillance technology. The company also has lucrative interests in “liberated” Iraq.

The power of truth-tellers such as Bradley Manning, Julian Assange and Edward Snowden is that they dispel a whole mythology carefully constructed by the corporate cinema and the corporate media. WikiLeaks is especially dangerous because it provides truthtellers with a means to get the truth out. This was achieved by Collateral Damage, the cockpit video of a US Apache helicopter allegedly leaked by Manning. The impact of this one video marked Manning and Assange for state vengeance. Here were US airmen murdering journalists and maiming children in a Baghdad street, clearly enjoying it, and describing their atrocity as “nice”. Yet, in one vital sense, they did not get away with it; for we are all witnesses now, and the rest is up to us.

John Pilger’s film on Australia, Utopia, will be released in the autumn.
Irish news

Australia

#40701 Jun 21, 2013
oinkoinkbuster wrote:
Last weekend, former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas confirmed this criminal conspiracy... Blah dribble
Nothing new and literally copied off socialist conspiracy blogs..
And now the writer ;
Finian Cunningham, loser. From Belfast, Ireland.
graduate in Agricultural Chemistry ! and worked as a scientific editor for the Royal Society of
Chemistry, Cambridge, England and a musician
and songwriter. Now in East Africa writing a book! Oh yes this is a person with knowledge...
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How come you smart. intelligent, educated,
savvy dikheads never respond to these educated and serious journalists from the west, they are not Muslims so how come they have the capacity for truth but you don't? is it because your origins are criminal...???????
Mate - we can read the news anytime & what you cut and paste is just crap. The writer is crap.
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Russia supports Israel (Jew) & Syria (Shia) & turkey (Sunni) USA supports Saudi, Pak and
egypt (Sunni) and Iraq (Shia). There is no nexus or conspiracy - what's happened is Iran (Shia) & Saudi (Sunni) are at war and syria is the new
frontier after the sunni lost Iraq.
For the west & India, china, russia it's just positioning by the bonfire of Islam, lit by Islam,
fueled by Islam.
The islamic civil war, thats been going on for 1,400 years is now 'on tour' in syria - thats all*
And the writer of the article is your usual 2nd
rate Irish socialist scribbler of fad conspiracy mumbo to the third world ignorant & heathen.
In fact looks like he is out of work and paid to write crap for Arabs.
You want real news and proper info ?
you couldnt even read it you monkey.
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*And all dat killing and all dem ondreds of mullions of musilims killeng etch udder - n' all
because dat Aisha was a diurty slut, aghhh,
And den she poisoned her old man Muhammad,
to be sure, to be sure! Irish Saudi News.

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Since: May 10

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#40702 Jun 21, 2013
MUQ struggles wrote:
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MUQ you only know how to lie. Badly. To yourself. There are no secrets here & you arent dealing with it very well at all.
Firstly there were a number of questions.
One was regarding the factual history of mecca & the false claim of Islam.
Now you make the claim that Mecca & the Quran are eternal.
So on your own twisted logic, where the onus is on you to prove your above claim - prove it.
Show or cite any Pre Islamic history or evidence (and not stale & clearly corrupted Islamic
citations or inventions, but actual factual recorded history & records).
Anything that shows Mecca existed before 150ad and back to 2,700 bc will be helpful, so that you can validate the claim you are making.
Whenever MUQ is dismissed from his job he can become a spin doctor for a political party.

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Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#40703 Jun 21, 2013
oinkoinkbuster wrote:
Control and dominance are the two words that make sense of this. These are exercised by political, economic and military design, of which mass surveillance is an essential part, but also by insinuating propaganda into the public consciousness. This was Edward Bernays’s point. His two most successful PR campaigns convinced Americans that they should go to war in 1917 and persuaded women to smoke in public; cigarettes were “torches of freedom” that would hasten women’s liberation.
It is in popular culture that the fraudulent “ideal” of America as morally superior, a “leader of the free world”, has been most effective. Yet even during Hollywood’s most jingoistic periods there were exceptional films, such as those of the exiled Stanley Kubrick, and adventurous European films would find US distributors. These days there is no Kubrick, no Strangelove, and the US market is almost closed to foreign films.
When I showed my own film The War on Democracy to a major, liberal-minded US distributor, I was handed a laundry list of changes, to “ensure the movie is acceptable”. His memorable sop to me was:“OK, maybe we could drop in Sean Penn as narrator. Would that satisfy you?” Kathryn Bigelow’s torture-apologising Zero Dark Thirty and, this year, Alex Gibney’s We Steal Secrets, a cinematic hatchet job on Julian Assange, were made with generous backing by Universal Studios, whose parent company until recently was General Electric. GE manufactures weapons, components for fighter aircraft and advanced surveillance technology. The company also has lucrative interests in “liberated” Iraq.
The power of truth-tellers such as Bradley Manning, Julian Assange and Edward Snowden is that they dispel a whole mythology carefully constructed by the corporate cinema and the corporate media. WikiLeaks is especially dangerous because it provides truthtellers with a means to get the truth out. This was achieved by Collateral Damage, the cockpit video of a US Apache helicopter allegedly leaked by Manning. The impact of this one video marked Manning and Assange for state vengeance. Here were US airmen murdering journalists and maiming children in a Baghdad street, clearly enjoying it, and describing their atrocity as “nice”. Yet, in one vital sense, they did not get away with it; for we are all witnesses now, and the rest is up to us.
John Pilger’s film on Australia, Utopia, will be released in the autumn.
At last you make some sense .

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