Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 20 comments on the Dec 23, 2007, Scoop story titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Trucker

Australia

#39195 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
I think what answer I gave to your "shorter post" suffice for this one also.
Why post a Long Reply, when the shorter one can do the job.!!
because my education was dumbed down and suffered from classes full of non English speaking immigrants. The price was worth it, I am alive and have no regrets !
Trucker

Australia

#39196 May 7, 2013
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canley_Vale_Hi...

The Fairfield area is the bottom of barrel, so it was best amongst worst and I was there day one when it opened.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39197 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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A HALT would not solve the problem, there are already "enough Muslims" to foul up your entire country.
They have increased crime rate in your country by 1000 % or more. Before these Muslims came, No Australian even knew what is rape, murder, kidnapping, forgery, bank stick up, domestic violence and all similar violent crimes.
These sons and daughters of "ex-criminals had reformed and turned their country into a "virtual heaven" when all of sudden these Muslims swarmed and spoiled their nation.
Why stop at half measures? Chuck out these people and replace them with "Wooly lambs of Jews, fresh from Isreal", a healthy well fed nations that would be a pride of Australia and very soon Australia will become # 1 nation in every thing!!
Starting with Usury and racism of course!!
We are already starting on your suggestion, by Castrating all Male Muslims man living in Australia after 2037 and spay every Muslim woman living in Australia, these laws are already in the books of the Political parties who govern Australia.
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The Jews are doing a good job keeping you Muslims under control.
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We will leave the Jews there to keep you Muslims under control.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39199 May 7, 2013
Trucker wrote:
<quoted text> bad post MUQ ! You mean Sharia Law which has failed in every Islamic country on he planet.! How does that discourage crime ? You mean all Muslims are criminals unless threat of sword or death ? All Muslims are Muslims for same reason as criminals ? You have not thought it through, every way you look at your solution is says muslims are criminals everywhere in the world but with Islam and sharia we can control them with death! That makes them worse and when we take them out of the gates of hell, they return to crime ? Their natural state of being Muslim without brutal murderous evil laws and punishments, inhuman conduct for a simple crime, mostly nuisances, is criminal society.
Then how can you compare these low iq Muslims to Jews who are 50 iq points higher , law abiding good citizens we not only support in our country, but any place on earth they may chose to go !
There is no comparison between these groups ! One is primitive 3rd world breaking laws in 1st world. The other first world , in first world, shining like stars.
Jews have always owned Israel . How old are huge Dead Sea scrolls ? Written in Hebrew ? 4,000 years ago ? In your book, copied from my book , it says same thing ! God gives Israel to Jews and even more land that they share at the moment. Like the foundations of temple Mount shared for time being. Maybe Hindus will take back Kaaba as well !
They are all Ali Babas are they MUQ? What other race invents a God, steals Religion from others and has criminals as their role models for a society ?
Try it, it MIGHT work in Australia!!

Why you discard it without trying it?

Democracy works so well in Western countries but is a total failure in every Muslim country.

So do not be biased and implement it. It will surely solve the Muslim crime problem!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39200 May 7, 2013
Adhamh Shane wrote:
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Why don't you shut up about Israel and the Jews, I've never mentioned them so why do you continue with the Jew hate? It has no relevance to anything, least of all to Muslim criminality in Western countries - or did the big bad Jews force Muslims into 'honour' killings, acid throwing and rape? Is it the fault of the bad Jews that Muslims commit about 80% of the rapes in Oslo? Do Jews force Muslims to riot and burn property in France?
Yes Australia had criminals before Muslim immigration. So what? Does that justify importing more criminals? One thing we didn't have is violent brainwashed morons parading with signs threatening to behead anyone who 'disrespects' Islam.
Why are you stricken?

Why should I care you mentioned Isreal and Jews or not, I am giving you a "practical solution" and you should take it with both hands if you are sincere to solve your problems.

Why should you worry how dumb is Islam, right now you should concentrate on your increasing crime rate and how to bring it down.

We will discuss about Islam later on!!
Godless Goodness

Delhi, India

#39201 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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01. Intellect and love are not the "Source of Morality" but to choose what to do.
"Choose what to do" is what morality is, the choice being between right and wrong. You say intellect and love are not sources of morality and then you go and disprove yourself by ascribing the sources to morality, just expressed in other words! Your sentence is like saying "light does not exist but there is that thing that is bright to our eyes and lets us see other things"!

Definitions of Morality-
1. Concern with the distinction between good and evil or right and wrong; right or good conduct FOR AN INDIVIDUAL IN SOCIETY
2. Motivation for actions and behavior for an individual in society based on ideas of right and wrong

Morality is the ability to discern between right and wrong, good and bad (for individual and society), and then one has to choose to do the right thing, else what is the point of it all?

(The words for "individual and society" is most essential. If individual and society do not exist, morality right and wrong, good or bad, such concepts will have no meaning).

So yes morality is the ability to distinguish AND choose between right and wrong. The reason we must make that choice is OUR OWN WELL BEING (maximize PEACE, thoughtfulness cooperation ie PROGRESS, and HAPPINESS). Its SOURCES are 1. LOVE (that makes us want the well being of others), 2. INTELLECT (ability to rationalize, think). We use this ability to understand the simple logical follow through how good behavior eventually results in our own well being in the long run much more than what short term bad behavior might gain us (like robbing a neighbor).

Also please note- knowledge of god has to be drilled into an individual, NOBODY is born with knowledge of god. But EVERYBODY IS BORN WITH ABILITY TO LOVE AND THINK (INTELLECT). Theists have them just as well as non theists. How much you use these abilities is another thing.
02. If Intellect and Love are the "source of morality" why so many "master Criminals" are so clever and so much knowledgeable?
Intellect is the ability to reason, think, understand.

If one did not turn their intellect on the subject of morality and rational civics (Dharma) and why they are good for us ie. in our interest, then they will have neither understanding nor motivation to choose right over wrong.

Intellect allows us to think and understand a lot of things. Intellect can be used to understand Physics, but understanding of Physics will not help much for one to be a doctor and understanding Biology will not help one be an Engineer. Knowledge of Physics is needed to be a Physicist. To eat healthy you need to know about food -proteins carbs fats vitamins etc.

TO be a RATIONAL CIVILIZED person (good person) you need to understand the subject of CIVICS or the principles and logics behind GOODNESS, why it is required, and how it is good for us in the long run , using your intellect.
Godless Goodness

Delhi, India

#39202 May 7, 2013
@MUQ

Also note-

1. When you say that morality has only one source which is fear of god, then your morality does not survive in a godless society. A theist that loses his faith, or simply comes across new knowledge that convinces him that there is no god, he then ALSO LOSES HIS MORALITY. Which is why crime is rising in the west as many people are becoming atheists out of disillusionment from christianity and not because they have rationalized it based on sound logic or evidence. Realizing there is no god does not help in understanding the reasons and logic behind morality and that being good is linked to well being and better life. They are not logically related at all. Like realizing there are no tooth fairies doesn't make you a doctor.

2. In a system where morals are linked to the idea that good behavior will be rewarded after death (as entry to heaven, 72 virgins whatever), and NOT LINKED TO PERSONAL AND SOCIETAL WELL BEING IN LIFE:- then such people continue to follow the rigid religious code told to them even when they can see all around them that the codes are failing, and resulting in a violent regressive society with much unhappiness. Cause the after death reward is more important to them than well being in life.

Lots of LOVE and GOOD LOGIC be upon you and all others too.
Trucker

Australia

#39204 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Try it, it MIGHT work in Australia!!
Why you discard it without trying it?
Democracy works so well in Western countries but is a total failure in every Muslim country.
So do not be biased and implement it. It will surely solve the Muslim crime problem!!
it is a primitive and backward law from a primitive and backward people, we have moved on since dark ages ! we don't even burn witches these days! why set our society back 1500 years ? You really don't have a clue !

Democracy did not work in the monkey cage at the zoo either , the most determined and willing to inflict most harm and pain always quietens down group, they even suffer atrocities like Muslims do also to survive . Then those monkeys and Muslims do atrocities to each other down the line of most sick to smartest at bottom of tree.
Trucker

Australia

#39205 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Try it, it MIGHT work in Australia!!
Why you discard it without trying it?
Democracy works so well in Western countries but is a total failure in every Muslim country.
So do not be biased and implement it. It will surely solve the Muslim crime problem!!
this sounds like angry child syndrome , when they can't play fair or play with others nicely, child throws tantrum . Others not guilty ! They play well with everyone and all embrace them ! Angry child gets do frustrated they harm themselves and whole family first, because those people live with them and others stay safe in their own he.

Don't worry about what goes on in someone else's house , you just torture your mind ! Worry about your own house first and the love appears to be gone ! Like angry child ! It is a waist for others to offer love to angry child, angry child must learn to love self first. Muslims hate Muslims , more Muslims kill Muslims than any other people in history of planet . Don't worry about Jews , you are beneath them, don't think about their house , worry about your own. Eventually "others intervene" angry child gets kicked out in cold, punished, even thrown into the desert to die. We only put up with so much ! Enough is enough ! Do Muslims feel like they are being picked on ! First thing others do is intervene for education purposes ! sound familiar ? Second they enter bad house breeding angry child . Authorities remove angry child or house ruler ! sound familiar ? Later they give angry child label so no one makes mistake of playing with angry child ! Feeling that ? Then don't let angry child keep harming others ! sound familiar ! Last resort is adopt angry child to good home and good people ! hhmmm ! Then tear down house of angry children everywhere . We re educate them enough to at least understand consequences of their own actions, otherwise they just feel persecuted because they are low iq monkeys . Behavior modifications by the only language they understand "violence", there own religion and law has brainwashed them with causing their plight and keeping them dumb and down. We just keep on helping and liberating till they all been healed or saved ! That's what we do ! All you do is blow stuff up and kill, not playing well with others who will have to rule you to modify your satanic ways. The good always prevail in the informed society. This is the era of the information highway and informed society, your dark ages are coming to an end. Look forward to a bright new future like Iraq and the Arab spring is well under way ! Peace brothers !
MUQ taqiyya

Australia

#39206 May 7, 2013
Are Shia and related Alawites = Muslim ?
The Sunni's say they are not.
They say the Shia and Alawites are heretics.
Today in Sryia the civil war within Islam flares.
The Shia & the Alawites fight the Sunni.
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Are Rohingya (Burmese) Muslim ?

The Sunni and Shia say they are not.
Today both the Buddhist & Sunni conspire to kill the Rohingya. The Rohingya flee to the safe haven of non Islamic countries.
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Are Hazara (Mongol) Muslim ?
Today the Sunni conspire to kill the Hazara.
The Hazara flee to the safe haven of non Islamic countries.
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Are Indian Sunni = Muslim ?
The Arab Sunni say they are not really. They rule that non Arab Sunni 'do not go' to the same heaven as Arab Sunni. Muslim heaven has segregated quarters it seems.

This is the real face of Islam.
Riven with heresy, intolerance, and godless.
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=> What say you MUQ as response to the facts?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39207 May 7, 2013
Trucker wrote:
<quoted text>this sounds like angry child syndrome , when they can't play fair or play with others nicely, child throws tantrum . Others not guilty ! They play well with everyone and all embrace them ! Angry child gets do frustrated they harm themselves and whole family first, because those people live with them and others stay safe in their own he.
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Why should you care if it is a primitive law or not. Are you interested in solving your problem or not?

I gave you the prescription and you do not want to take it, how you will be cured, how your society will be cured?

You want to simmer in your own juices, continue to do so!!
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#39208 May 7, 2013
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

The Method to the Post 9/11 Madness

By David Swanson

September 11, 2012 "Information Clearing House" -- To your average educated careful consumer of U.S. news media, our militarism looks like ad hoc reactionary responses. A crisis flairs up here. We “intervene” there. An irrational foreign dictator threatens the peace over yonder. We get into wars because we have no choice, and then continue them because ending them would be somehow even worse than continuing them.

In fact, there is a method to the madness. I don’t mean just the pressure that President Eisenhower warned us would be created by massive military spending. I mean that the war planners have planned far ahead. They have lists of upcoming wars.(In 2001, according toWesley Clark the Pentagon sought wars in the coming years with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. Tony Blair independently confirmed a similar list.) They invent the public excuses for those wars as the need arises. The actual motivations are not humanitarian, but driven by a crazed desire to dominate the world’s economies, waterways, and fossil fuels.

The papers of the 1990s pro-war think tank, the Project for the New American Century, fit with and explain what the United States and NATO and their allies have done for the past 11 years far better than President Bush’s speech given on the wreckage of the World Trade Center or anything announced by the White House right up through President Obama’s latest campaign speeches this week.

A new book called “The Globalization of NATO” by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya traces the development of NATO, from a supposedly defensive and North Atlantic organization, into an aggressive and global one, albeit one with some deep internal rivalries and tensions.


World War II never ended. The Nazi scientists were brought to the United States to continue developing weapons. Secret forces were left behind, within European governments (“Gladio” is the well-known name of the force in Italy), where they killed and lied in support of right-leaning governments for decades, and in support of NATO’s strength and unity.

“The Globalization of NATO” looks not only at NATO’s 1990s wars in Yugoslavia, but at the U.S. machinations during the 1980s that led to conflict there. As Nazemroaya notes, in 2009, the U.S. eagerly pointed out that the language of Moldova is essentially Romanian, but had when useful in the 1990s tried to claim that the Serbo-Croatian of Bosnia was a different language from the Serbo-Croatian of Serbia. Such claims, like outrage at human rights abuses in Syria and Iran but not in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia, are opportunistic.

When U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright learned of a massacre in a Kosovan village, Racak, she delightedly exclaimed,“Spring has come early!” NATO was able to begin its campaign of “humanitarian wars” with massive bombing of civilians. But the enemy wasn’t the people of Yugoslavia. The enemies were Russia and China and Iran. They are the enemies today. In 1999, NATO bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, and that same Wesley Clark ordered British and French troops to attack the Russian military. Luckily, those troops refused that order, not wanting to be pawns in a game that risky.
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#39209 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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I gave you the prescription and you do not want to take it, how you will be cured, how your society will be cured?
You want to simmer in your own juices, continue to do so!!
MUQ, your so stupid.
Your prescriptions are not worth sh^t, you know nothing, one only has to look at the countries and societies you and your forefathers built to realize your completely useless, a total failure!!

Don't bother giving other people advise, your advise only makes things worse!!
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#39210 May 7, 2013
GG wrote:
01. "Choose what to do" is what morality is, the choice being between right and wrong.
Definitions of Morality-

1. Concern with the distinction between good and evil or right and wrong; right or good conduct FOR AN INDIVIDUAL IN SOCIETY

2. Motivation for actions and behavior for an individual in society based on ideas of right and wrong


( 02. So yes morality is the ability to distinguish AND choose between right and wrong.

03. Also please note- knowledge of god has to be drilled into an individual,

04. If one did not turn their intellect on the subject of morality and rational civics .

05. Intellect allows us to think and understand a lot of things. Intellect can be used to understand Physics,

06. TO be a RATIONAL CIVILIZED person (

@MUQ

Also note-

1. When you say that morality has only one source which is fear of god, then your morality does not survive in a godless society.
2. In a system where morals are linked to the idea that good behavior will be rewarded after death (..

Lots of LOVE and GOOD LOGIC be upon you and all others too.
Ans.

Thank you for you long inputs and no discussions on t=such issues end with complete agreements.

What I said about "Fear of God and Fear of Individual accountable" being the Source of All Morals, was from "Angle of implementation".

That does not deny that there are not other sources.

But none of these will "force" any individual to "accept and implement" these rules in their lives.

While Fear of God and Fear of Personal Accountability will "force" him to act accordingly to moral rules, even when there is no one seeing him or able to stop him from doing immoral acts.

Your inputs are only philosophical and only for the sake of discussions.

That does not mean they are wrong, thanks for your big efforts.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#39211 May 7, 2013
Serpent wrote:
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MUQ, your so stupid.
Your prescriptions are not worth sh^t, you know nothing, one only has to look at the countries and societies you and your forefathers built to realize your completely useless, a total failure!!
Don't bother giving other people advise, your advise only makes things worse!!
May be it is you who is stupid?

Did you look at the mirror lately?

Why every one of you is do damn sure about other people?

is that what they teach you at schools to ex-convicts children?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39212 May 8, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Try it, it MIGHT work in Australia!!
Why you discard it without trying it?
Democracy works so well in Western countries but is a total failure in every Muslim country.
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MUQ I do not know how old you are.
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It appears you never read international printed Newspapers or google outside of Saudi.
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For Turkey and Indonesia both are Islamic countries and both has had a successful democratic government since 1950.
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Democracy in its Western form, that is, constitutional and representative government, is becoming popular again after a long period of relative unpopularity, and many people in nondemocratic Islamic countries are beginning to see in the Western form of democracy the best if not the only solution to their problems.
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Most Muslims Want Democracy, Personal Freedoms, and Islam in Political Life
Few Believe U.S. Backs Democracy
Overview
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More than a year after the first stirrings of the Arab Spring, there continues to be a strong desire for democracy in Arab and other predominantly Muslim nations.
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Solid majorities in Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, Tunisia and Jordan believe democracy is the best form of government, as do a plurality of Pakistanis.
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Indeed, these publics do not just support the general notion of democracy – they also embrace specific features of a democratic system, such as competitive elections and free speech.

The figures are as follows for those Islamic countries seeking the Democratic way of running their country.
http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2012/07/2012-A...

MUQ running countries the Islamic way is on the way out.
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MUQ only MUgs,fools, Idiots, backward people, and Muslim like you do not want democracy.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39213 May 8, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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May be it is you who is stupid?
Did you look at the mirror lately?
Why every one of you is do damn sure about other people?
is that what they teach you at schools to ex-convicts children?
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MUQ you seem to be obsessed with Australian being ex-convicts and we are still able to be one of the most successful country sits in the world.
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If any one the countries that practice Islam was half as good as what it is in Australia, we would not have all the criminal Muslim flocking to Australia.
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Every Islamic country I paid a visit to are backwards and these countries are controlled by cruel,stupid, backward, antiquated, Islamic rules.
9572

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#39214 May 8, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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There are crimes and criminal minded people in every nation and amongst every groups.....
...But....
There is only One Country in the world which was started by ex-criminals!!
Ex criminals ?
Name it ?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39215 May 8, 2013
MUQ and Aliroger1 both realise that they are not able to debate sensible their intellectual knowledge and IQ is much less, that is why both avoid me like the plague.
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MUQ has very limited education although claims to be an engineer educated in a Hindu University in India and work on a nominal wages in Saudi.
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On the other hand Aliroger1 is well versed with world matters and knows how to use google to his advantage.
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What Aliroger1 does is keep searching in google until he finds the answer he is looking for.
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If you keep on searching in Google you will find a link telling you that black is white and white is black.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#39216 May 9, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Ex criminals ?
Name it ?
Look at history of Australia and the founder members of that country.

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