Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46812 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39149 May 6, 2013
Bad seed wrote:
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Muhammad's seed bore no fruit.
He was diseased and with weak seed.
Nothing of #1 Khadijah, his aunt, Fatimah was not of Muhammad according to Abu Bakr or Aisha. Muhhammad was cuckolded.
The attempt to adopt a slave 'son' blocked.
Nothing of #2 Sowda, she was old & barren.
NothIng of #3 Aisha, the child sold to him that he demanded congjual visits of from the age of 6 years old - yes 6 years old. The fruit or offspring via her was weak & died young. Bad seed
Nothing of the others.
So no fruit from the false prophet.
You are talking about the 'Wrong fruits". Was Jesus talking about those fruits?

Apparently you have problem understanding what Prophets of God mean. And that is ONE of your problem.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39150 May 6, 2013
sid wrote:
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I see rotten fruit day by day, you work out what is causing the rot.
Di you try to smell yourself? Did you not see people passing you by with hands on their noses?

That is what happens to people who find rot in others. They forget that they are the worst rot!!

Did not Jesus told you, do not judge others?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#39151 May 6, 2013
Adhamh Shane wrote:
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The pot calling the kettle black
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/348780...
"Child protection specialists said the fact that there were no fixed statistics on abuse in the Arab world was shocking, particularly because they know it is widespread.
The number of reported cases is very low, they argued, and that belies the truth about what is really going on.
Gert Kapelari, a delegate for the United Nations children's agency Unicef, said a survey among school children in eight Arab countries showed that the numbers were staggering.
"Where we asked children to what extent they have been victims of abuse or other forms of violence, what comes out of the preliminary findings are really shocking," he said.
"We have to conclude that more than half of the children are, in one way or another, victims of violence and even sometimes of severe abuse," Mr Kapelari added."
This is the "standard" excuse by our western people. Every one in Muslim world hides their crimes.

What is the way to cure their sickness?

I think that is why they "feel contended and justify" their own increasing crimes and criminals. Start blaming others that they have more crimes than ours. So every thing is OK with us.

Even if Crime rates in Muslim country is higher than yours, will it justify your increasing crime rates and criminals?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39152 May 6, 2013
Bad seed wrote:
<quoted text>
Muhammad's seed bore no fruit.
He was diseased and with weak seed.
Nothing of #1 Khadijah, his aunt, Fatimah was not of Muhammad according to Abu Bakr or Aisha. Muhhammad was cuckolded.
So no fruit from the false prophet.
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Of course Muhammad was cuckolded, it is all in the Hadith, when Aisha was supposed to be lost in the desert fcking her lover Safwan.
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Read this article and you will soon understand why Aisha was fcked by Safwan.

Spare me
"Aisha was traveling with her husband Mohammed and some of his followers. She left camp in the morning to search for her lost necklace; when she returned, she found that the company had broken camp and left without her. She waited patiently for half a day, until she was rescued by a man named Safwan and taken to rejoin the caravan.

Some observers said that she must have been having an affair with Safwan (because she had been alone with him), and urged Mohammed to divorce his wife. Mohammed then stated he had received a revelation from God directing that adultery be proven by four eyewitnesses, rather than simply inferred from opportunity."

I'm sorry, but reading that just made me gag on my own vomit. Is there, anywhere among the six billion people on the face of this planet, a single individual stupid enough to accept this shit as acceptable?

Before I even start on the many despicable points of interest in this excerpt from Islamic scripture, I better remind you that Aisha is the girl who Mohammed married when she was 6 (and he was 52) and then raped when she was 9. Hey, Big M, you're a nonce!

Anyway. Where to start? It's difficult, even for someone of my toxic eloquence, to analyse this particular tub of excrement. However, just for laughs, let's begin with issues of spousal neglect.

My wife is a less than perfect spouse. Whatever her failings, though, she's my wife and I love her. Call me an old softie, but if we were on a trip through the desert with my "followers" and she wandered off to look for her lost necklace I wouldn't just break camp and abandon her. No, call me sentimental if you like, but I'd hang about until she came back. I mean you never know, one day she might even figure out what her marriage vows meant; optimism is wonderful. And even if she doesn't, well, there's ways to deal with that - but I would never leave her to die in the desert. That just isn't on. I might be bitter, but I'm not actually twisted.

So anyway, let's just say that I follow the example of the True Prophet and abandon my wife in the desert (out of carelessness, not spite, as can be clearly seen by what follows.) Luckily, some bloke called Safwan rescues her and brings her back to civilisation, at some risk to his own life (deserts are NOT safe places!) So what do my faithful "followers" say? "Hey look! She walked here alone with a man! OK, the only alternative was an excruciatingly painful death from dehydration but hey, what the fuck, that must mean he's nailing her!"

Right, now let's assume that I am Mohammed. The reasonable thing to do is to conclude that my "followers" are a bunch of arseholes, because obviously they think that any decent woman would choose to scorch to death under the blazing Arabian sun rather than go anywhere alone with a man. At this point anyone with an IQ reaching double digits would have abandoned the whole Islam nonsense, told the "followers" to fuck off and die, and opened a falafel shop in downtown Medina ("Mohammed says, come on in and try Aisha's Kebab!")

Forgive me; but (Safwan aside) every character in this sorry tale is a sanctimonious, hypocritical, spiteful or stupid piece of shit. Any religion which can accept this wad of filth as part of its "holy" text is contemptible, and its practitioners are seriously misguided.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39153 May 6, 2013
It also behooves us to remember the internecine hatreds within Islam.

Everyone should know the back story for the schism between Sunni and Shia’, which arose from a suspected love affair between Muhammad’s youngest wife,‘Aisha, and a young soldier named Safwan. The consequences of this scandal are enshrined in the Qur’an itself, and resulted in ‘Aisha becoming an important historical figure in her own right, commanding troops in battle.

The violent Sunni-Shiite schism began with a sequence of events called “The Affair of the Lie.”

Here’s the story:‘Aisha’s wedding gift, a prized necklace, had a defective clasp, and she is said to have lost it in the wilderness during one of the Prophet’s campaigns. Without telling anyone, she went back to find it, successfully, but when she returned to the campsite the caravan had left without knowledge of her absence.‘Aisha was abandoned and lost in the desert. A dashing and very handsome young soldier named Safwan rescued her and they returned together to the caravan. This led to charges and gossip about ‘Aisha’s infidelity, and the Prophet ultimately had to depend upon God’s revelation via the archangel Gabriel to defend his wife’s honor, which is enshrined in the Qu’ran in the Sura An-Noor (Book of Light), verses 11–18:

Those who brought forward the lie are a body among yourselves …
Why did not the believers—men and women—when ye heard of the affair,—
put the best construction on it in their own minds and say,“This (charge) is an obvious lie”?

This incident also led to the Qur’anic injunction to flog people who make unprovable allegation against “chaste women” with eighty lashes (Sura 24:4):

And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),—
flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors

Muhammad’s cousin, brother-in-law, and standard bearer ‘Ali refused to accept ‘Aisha’s flimsy explanation for her alleged dalliance in the desert with the handsome young soldier Safwan, and counseled the Prophet to denounce and divorce ‘Aisha, advice the Prophet obviously rejected.

When ‘Ali was later elected leader of the believers and successor to Muhammad after the Prophet’s death,‘Aisha, who had to defend her marital honor against ‘Ali, rejected ‘Ali’s leadership and led a civil war against ‘Ali in the Battle of the Camel in Basra in 656. The ill will between ‘Ali’s faction of believers and ‘Aisha’s led directly to the Sunni-Shiite schism of Islam: the followers of ‘Aisha became the Sunnis and the followers of ‘Ali became the Shia’, meaning literally the “followers of ‘Ali”. All for the want of clasp. And a younger husband.

A good place to read about this episode is Chapter 3 of Bruce Lawrence’s The Qur’an: A Biography.(Hitchens has an excellent book in this series.) Reza Aslan also discusses ‘Aisha sympathetically on the recent and worthwhile PRI broadcast “Reclaiming Islam“, reading from his book.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#39154 May 6, 2013
Baron44 wrote:
It also behooves us to remember the internecine hatreds within Islam.
Everyone should know the back story for the schism between Sunni and Shia’, which arose from a suspected love affair between Muhammad’s youngest wife,‘Aisha, and a young soldier named Safwan. The consequences of this scandal are enshrined in the Qur’an itself, and resulted in ‘Aisha becoming an important historical figure in her own right, commanding troops in battle.
The violent Sunni-Shiite schism began with a sequence of events called “The Affair of the Lie.”
Here’s the story:‘Aisha’s wedding gift, a prized necklace, had a defective clasp, and she is said to have lost it in the wilderness during one of the Prophet’s campaigns. Without telling anyone, she went back to find it, successfully, but when she returned to the campsite the caravan had left without knowledge of her absence.‘Aisha was abandoned and lost in the desert. A dashing and very handsome young soldier named Safwan rescued her and they returned together to the caravan. This led to charges and gossip about ‘Aisha’s infidelity, and the Prophet ultimately had to depend upon God’s revelation via the archangel Gabriel to defend his wife’s honor, which is enshrined in the Qu’ran in the Sura An-Noor (Book of Light), verses 11–18:
Those who brought forward the lie are a body among yourselves …
Why did not the believers—men and women—when ye heard of the affair,—
put the best construction on it in their own minds and say,“This (charge) is an obvious lie”?
This incident also led to the Qur’anic injunction to flog people who make unprovable allegation against “chaste women” with eighty lashes (Sura 24:4):
And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),—
flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors
Muhammad’s cousin, brother-in-law, and standard bearer ‘Ali refused to accept ‘Aisha’s flimsy explanation for her alleged dalliance in the desert with the handsome young soldier Safwan, and counseled the Prophet to denounce and divorce ‘Aisha, advice the Prophet obviously rejected.
When ‘Ali was later elected leader of the believers and successor to Muhammad after the Prophet’s death,‘Aisha, who had to defend her marital honor against ‘Ali, rejected ‘Ali’s leadership and led a civil war against ‘Ali in the Battle of the Camel in Basra in 656. The ill will between ‘Ali’s faction of believers and ‘Aisha’s led directly to the Sunni-Shiite schism of Islam: the followers of ‘Aisha became the Sunnis and the followers of ‘Ali became the Shia’, meaning literally the “followers of ‘Ali”. All for the want of clasp. And a younger husband.
A good place to read about this episode is Chapter 3 of Bruce Lawrence’s The Qur’an: A Biography.(Hitchens has an excellent book in this series.) Reza Aslan also discusses ‘Aisha sympathetically on the recent and worthwhile PRI broadcast “Reclaiming Islam“, reading from his book.
Good stuff Baron, keep it coming, if the madness of islam wasn't so tragic it would be funny.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#39155 May 6, 2013
Baron44 wrote:
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All Indian, Bangladesh and Pakistani Indians with a little bit of education do realise that they are Hindus and as you pointed out that No Arabic Muslim want anything to do with a Hindu Muslim.
It is said by Muhammad no person shall enter heaven if the person does not have a white face.
Would this not mean that Muhammad's followers could only be of the boundary of that of his imagination of his geographic horizon from Mecca that white faced peoples like him existed ?
With the fact that in his time the world was presumed flat his geographical knowledge could only be passed on to him by either camel trains or the peoples he battled with so his world may be that only of the Middle East .
I am curious that the majority of Islam is not white faced .

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39156 May 6, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Would this not mean that Muhammad's followers could only be of the boundary of that of his imagination of his geographic horizon from Mecca that white faced peoples like him existed ?
With the fact that in his time the world was presumed flat his geographical knowledge could only be passed on to him by either camel trains or the peoples he battled with so his world may be that only of the Middle East .
I am curious that the majority of Islam is not white faced .
All that means is that the majority of Muslims will never enter into the Islamic heaven, maybe if the Jews have space, they may let the into the Israel heaven a few none white Muslims in
To act as servants.

Since: Dec 12

Sydney

#39157 May 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the "standard" excuse by our western people. Every one in Muslim world hides their crimes.
What is the way to cure their sickness?
I think that is why they "feel contended and justify" their own increasing crimes and criminals. Start blaming others that they have more crimes than ours. So every thing is OK with us.
Even if Crime rates in Muslim country is higher than yours, will it justify your increasing crime rates and criminals?
The main thing western people feel 'concerned' about is the invasion of their countries by primitive Muslims, aided and abetted by traitor western governments.'Honour' killings, acid throwing, forced marriage, female genital mutiliation, cousin marriage - but wait, maybe we just invented these things to annoy Muslims.

Maybe you need to feel 'concerned' about the high levels of rape and violence committed by 'peace loving' Muslim immigrants eg, Oslo, France, the UK, in fact, every country where Muslims have been allowed to live. Go ahead, check out the rape stats for Norway, check out the Muslim ghettos in France and Belgium where its dangerous for police and ambulance workers to enter.

Maybe you don't consider entrenched customs like the sale of young boys in Afghanistan to be child abuse. I'm not surprised.
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#39158 May 6, 2013
Adhamh Shane wrote:
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Maybe you don't consider entrenched customs like the sale of young boys in Afghanistan to be child abuse. I'm not surprised.
MUQ is a pedophile, he likes the idea of older men diddling/marrying nine yr old girls just like they do in Afghan.
He does not want the laws to change either in these countries because the way it is right now is very good for these Muslim scum bag pedophiles!!

So of course MUQ does not consider sexually abusing young boys as abuse,,, he's a fkn pedophile, what would you expect from a rotten scum bag pedophile!!

Since: May 13

Maroubra, Australia

#39159 May 6, 2013
crazy thing is going on here.. dont let them plant a effin bomb in your butt
Trucker

Australia

#39160 May 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the "standard" excuse by our western people. Every one in Muslim world hides their crimes.
What is the way to cure their sickness?
I think that is why they "feel contended and justify" their own increasing crimes and criminals. Start blaming others that they have more crimes than ours. So every thing is OK with us.
Even if Crime rates in Muslim country is higher than yours, will it justify your increasing crime rates and criminals?
well, at least you are not in denial.Muslims simply come from societies " less complicated" , despots take all the money and don't care how they behave. The West has streamlined society with ( I agree too many ) rules and laws to completely get rid of violence. In 23 million people, if we have one death or one assault 6,000 kilometers away, it is on our news channel and we shake our heads. Muslims like aboriginal communities have so much assault, rape, deaths usually this is accepted and even murders go unreported.

Not being mean about this but the culture shock is on the citizens whose nations hosts Muslims. We are shocked by Muslim behavior they have not grasped the concept of a more evolved society, and imagine we are like them or society same people different .

I can't disagree criminals hide their crimes,Muslims just have a monopoly on crime, in their new countries . Even taking over entire areas like kings cross in nsw, because previous crime ethnicities mellowed and lost the propensity to commit violent crimes.( ref: underbelly golden mile ).

Has to do with iq and education as well, poorer countries, less education. We have plenty dumbarse whites, but 3rd world dumbarses still lack a society based support which keeps them down, and their countries down, also because they make poor choices with government who steal the countries money.

"Among white Americans, the average IQ, as of a decade or so ago, was 103. Among Asian-Americans, it was 106. Among Jewish Americans, it was 113. Among Latino Americans, it was 89. Among African-Americans, it was 85. Around the world, studies find the same general pattern: whites 100, East Asians 106, sub-Sarahan Africans 70. One IQ table shows 113 in Hong Kong, 110 in Japan, and 100 in Britain. White populations in Australia, Canada, Europe, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United States score closer to one another than to the worldwide black average. It's been that way for at least a century."

You see ME is same as sub Saharan Africans ! IQ of 70 to 80 ! which is just above African Blacks and Australian aboriginals they always and historically seek to enslave. Not working for them in west, we think their fairy tales are bullshit and our laws stop Muslims cutting off our heads when we tell them this!

So you are right MUQ !!
Trucker

Australia

#39161 May 6, 2013
Baron44 wrote:
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Of course Muhammad was cuckolded, it is all in the Hadith, when Aisha was supposed to be lost in the desert fcking her lover Safwan.
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Read this article and you will soon understand why Aisha was fcked by Safwan.
Spare me
"Aisha was traveling with her husband Mohammed and some of his followers. She left camp in the morning to search for her lost necklace; when she returned, she found that the company had broken camp and left without her. She waited patiently for half a day, until she was rescued by a man named Safwan and taken to rejoin the caravan.
Some observers said that she must have been having an affair with Safwan (because she had been alone with him), and urged Mohammed to divorce his wife. Mohammed then stated he had received a revelation from God directing that adultery be proven by four eyewitnesses, rather than simply inferred from opportunity."
I'm sorry, but reading that just made me gag on my own vomit. Is there, anywhere among the six billion people on the face of this planet, a single individual stupid enough to accept this shit as acceptable?
Before I even start on the many despicable points of interest in this excerpt from Islamic scripture, I better remind you that Aisha is the girl who Mohammed married when she was 6 (and he was 52) and then raped when she was 9. Hey, Big M, you're a nonce!
Anyway. Where to start? It's difficult, even for someone of my toxic eloquence, to analyse this particular tub of excrement. However, just for laughs, let's begin with issues of spousal neglect.
My wife is a less than perfect spouse. Whatever her failings, though, she's my wife and I love her. Call me an old softie, but if we were on a trip through the desert with my "followers" and she wandered off to look for her lost necklace I wouldn't just break camp and abandon her. No, call me sentimental if you like, but I'd hang about until she came back. I mean you never know, one day she might even figure out what her marriage vows meant; optimism is wonderful. And even if she doesn't, well, there's ways to deal with that - but I would never leave her to die in the desert. That just isn't on. I might be bitter, but I'm not actually twisted.
So anyway, let's just say that I follow the example of the True Prophet and abandon my wife in the desert (out of carelessness, not spite, as can be clearly seen by what follows.) Luckily, some bloke called Safwan rescues her and brings her back to civilisation, at some risk to his own life (deserts are NOT safe places!) So what do my faithful "followers" say? "Hey look! She walked here alone with a man! OK, the only alternative was an excruciatingly painful death from dehydration but hey, what the fuck, that must mean he's nailing her!"
Right, now let's assume that I am Mohammed. The reasonable thing to do is to conclude that my "followers" are a bunch of arseholes, because obviously they think that any decent woman would choose to scorch to death under the blazing Arabian sun rather than go anywhere alone with a man. At this point anyone with an IQ reaching double digits would have abandoned the whole Islam nonsense, told the "followers" to fuck off and die, and opened a falafel shop in downtown Medina ("Mohammed says, come on in and try Aisha's Kebab!")
Forgive me; but (Safwan aside) every character in this sorry tale is a sanctimonious, hypocritical, spiteful or stupid piece of shit. Any religion which can accept this wad of filth as part of its "holy" text is contemptible, and its practitioners are seriously misguided.
the west knows and understands this ! We have moved on ! Muslims just don't understand we know and keep peddling their crap. We are way past the pedophilia and plagerism however, just continue to try to get past it, as abhorrent as it is !
Trucker

Australia

#39162 May 6, 2013
Serpent wrote:
<quoted text>
MUQ is a pedophile, he likes the idea of older men diddling/marrying nine yr old girls just like they do in Afghan.
He does not want the laws to change either in these countries because the way it is right now is very good for these Muslim scum bag pedophiles!!
So of course MUQ does not consider sexually abusing young boys as abuse,,, he's a fkn pedophile, what would you expect from a rotten scum bag pedophile!!
my Afghan friends , have the best morals of people I know in Australia . They are not Muslim ! So don't say a race, narrow it to the religion responsible . After leaving Afghanistan, they checked the Islam baggage at the exit lounge, arriving fresh and unshackled embracing their new country and our people. They left because of unsatisfactory circumstances of law, politics and religion combined unfairly for citizens , they were smart enough to realize that, I am sure most of our immigrants are same, but still to afraid to unchain their own family. Fear is a powerful restraint, just like chains.
Trucker

Australia

#39163 May 6, 2013
Lile wrote:
<quoted text>
Vomit up your filth you dirty stinking gutless immigrant Coward.
immigrant falls into the sub Saharan iq category. Barely smart enough to write a post, but too dumb to realize @ 70 to 80 iq points, we accept him as a retarded idiot blabbering on about stuff we discard , but to him is profound lol an epiphany for an idiot is just a bad idea in the west !
Trucker

Australia

#39164 May 6, 2013
Baron44 wrote:
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You forgot the biggest Muslim racist genocides committed against a race.
80 Million Hindu Indians were killed by Islam, the funny part is that MUQ's own family was killed out by Islam and he still worships
his Arabic Muslim leaders.
like the rest, he has to live there and work there ! Survival ! Too afraid to cut the chains which he is a slave to, and literally " get a life "!
Trucker

Australia

#39165 May 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
Children Who Sell Themselves
By SONIA FALEIRO
September 10, 2012 "New York Times" ---- PATNA, INDIA — While investigating child labor in India last month for a book, I found myself in the northern state of Bihar, an established source of children for trafficking networks.
Here, alongside the expected stories of abduction, I heard of another unexpected and heartbreaking path to servitude. Children as young as 10 had begun to directly offer themselves to traffickers because they could no longer go hungry.
I met 14-year-old Arun Kumar, who told me of his experience.
Kumar lives with his uncle and two younger siblings in Amni village, a day’s journey by bus from Patna, the Bihar state capital.
Two days before we met, Kumar had been returned home by a local nonprofit organization, supported by Save the Children, from a rice mill in the state of Haryana, where he had been working 18-hour days, seven days a week. He had been paid 800 rupees (a bit less than $20) a month.
On a rare day, he said, a machine would break down and the workers would be shooed out for a “holiday.”“I’d walk to the next village about an hour away,” he said,“to buy biscuits.”
The nonprofit organization first entreated, then threatened the factory owner with a noisy protest outside his mill.“I paid for him,” the owner argued, before finally releasing Kumar.
This was not the first time the organization sprang Kumar — he had been brought home from a another rice mill last year. The police were not approached either time, since it’s understood that they’re paid off by traffickers.
When I asked Kumar who had sent him to the mill, he said:“No one. I went because I wanted to.”
Kumar told me that although his uncle worked, there was not enough money for more than one one meal a day.
Better-off families in Amni eat twice a day. The village has never had electricity, running water or land to cultivate. There are no opportunities for education or employment, and the upper-caste families in the neighboring village routinely coopt government provisions meant to alleviate the grim, hard lives of Amni’s lower-caste Dalit families.
Poverty has traditionally fed child labor. India has an estimated 17 million child laborers, many of whom are visible in roadside restaurants, bakeries and car repair shops. Urban Indians assume that these children are either locals sent to work by their parents to earn a little extra cash, or runaways.
Taking on the world now MUQ ? I thought you just hated the west ? The is no end to hatred in Islam .
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#39166 May 6, 2013
Trucker wrote:
<quoted text> my Afghan friends , have the best morals of people I know in Australia . They are not Muslim ! So don't say a race, narrow it to the religion responsible . After leaving Afghanistan, they checked the Islam baggage at the exit lounge, arriving fresh and unshackled embracing their new country and our people. They left because of unsatisfactory circumstances of law, politics and religion combined unfairly for citizens , they were smart enough to realize that, I am sure most of our immigrants are same, but still to afraid to unchain their own family. Fear is a powerful restraint, just like chains.
Ok religion then..

But be careful, a Tiger cannot change its strips!!
Trucker

Australia

#39167 May 6, 2013
Godless Goodness wrote:
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While not directly relevant to the argument I mentioned this not due to pride, but to show that it is possible for people to want to be good even as they are not believers of god. Such people do exist.
Hindu is just a term that has a specific definition as to one who follows the main principles of hinduism (ahimsa, dharma, veda). Nowhere is god belief mandatory. Lots of people consider themselves as hindu but non-theist too.
Some are mono theists while others are polytheists.
Refer:- Hindu Philosophy wiki page.
In India there is no religion column you have to fill anywhere. That was I think was long ago. Even if in some state asks in some form, you can choose not to answer. It is Illegal to ask religion in census survey!
<quoted text>
Purpose is personal well being and societal well being. Well being of society only multiples personal well being as it enables co operation. Well being = Peace + Progress + Happiness.
<quoted text>
Agree. But the larger good of society is still a EVENTUAL and GRADUAL result of morality guided good behavior code.
To deal with the rich and powerful, and the not so rich and powerful, we make openly declared LAWS, rules or Dharma that are applicable to all. Yes the rich can have more influence on framing of the laws and try to corrupt them. A majority can do same against a minority. Transparency is required, and apart from democracy,'logicracy' is needed ie rational thought. Rich powerful can also corrupt 'word of god'. Muslims claim Christianity as corrupted by Constantine. Shia claim Sunni Islam as corrupted by ...you know who.
The threshold for any change should be sound logic. Making laws absolutely rigid makes then unable to reform and remove flaws.
<quoted text>
LOVE for one. One has only to let oneself feel it for fellow man.
Yes that can be. A saint might get lot of misery and heart ache in return for all the goodwork. But few individual exceptions do not discount the reasons for being good which is General well being of society. Odds are, that most members of a society that has rational laws that maximize peace progress and happiness, will benefit over time. All societies are living proof of this, those that follow good laws. Better the laws (more rational), better off their members are on an average.
<quoted text>
Where is the contradiction? Karma = Action, behavior (in Sanskrit). Dharma = Duties, Rules, Laws - formulated and rationalized upon by wise men of society so as to maximize their well being (peace, progress, happiness).
Where does god come in?
Oh, so you are atheists ? Plenty of atheists in West, they will welcome you and agree with your summary.
Trucker

Australia

#39168 May 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Di you try to smell yourself? Did you not see people passing you by with hands on their noses?
That is what happens to people who find rot in others. They forget that they are the worst rot!!
Did not Jesus told you, do not judge others?
thinking of converting MUQ ?

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