Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Maybe the reason is: There is no God.
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Religions made God, the next best thing is to get you so called Morals from religions.
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Islam is no better, you should make the effort of going to a few Middle eastern Countries, and you will see wealth beyond your comprehension and you will see Muslims begging for food, in the same country (Egypt is a very good example) or the neighbouring country.
I have been to the Middle East and have seen as you say
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Oh rubbish. YOu obviously have not studied history throughout the ages if you are saying that white races have killed more than all other religions combined.NIce highlight on your Muslim fantaticism and racism.

Just for starters:
* 40,000,000 Red China, 1949-76 (outright killing, manmade famine, Gulag)

* 4,000,000 Ethiopia, 1962-92: Communists, artificial hunger, genocides

* 3,900,000 Zaire (Congo-Kinshasa): 1967-68; 1977-78; 1992-95; 1998-present

* 2,800,000 Korean war, 1950-53

* 1,900,000 Sudan, 1955-72; 1983-2006 (civil wars, genocides)

* 1,970,000 Cambodia: Khmer Rouge 1975-79; civil war 1978-91

* 1,800,000 Vietnam War, 1954-75

* 1,800,000 Afghanistan: Soviet and internecine killings, Taliban 1980-2001

1* 1,450,000 West Pakistan massacres in East Pakistan (Bangladesh 1971)

1* 1,400,000 Nigeria, 1966-79 (Biafra); 1993-present

1* 1,100,000 Mozambique, 1964-70 (30,000)+ after retreat of Portugal 1976-92

*1,500,000 Iran-Iraq-War, 1980-88

*900,000 Rwanda genocide, 1994

15 875,000 Algeria: against France 1954-62 (675,000); between Islamists and the government 1991-2006 (200,000)

* 850,000 Uganda, 1971-79; 1981-85; 1994-present

* 650,000 Indonesia: Marxists 1965-66 (450,000); East Timor, Papua, Aceh etc, 1969-present (200,000)

* 580,000 Angola: war against Portugal 1961-72 (80,000); after Portugal’s retreat (1972-2002)

* 500,000 Brazil against its Indians, up to 1999

* 430,000 Vietnam, after the war ended in 1975 (own people; boat refugees)

* 400,000 Indochina: against France, 1945-54

* 400,000 Burundi, 1959-present (Tutsi/Hutu)

* 700,000 Somalia, 1991-present

* 700,000 North Korea up to present (own people)

* 350,000 Kurds in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, 1980s-1900,000 Iraq, 1970-2003 (Saddam against minorities)

* 190,000 Lebanon civil war, 1975-90

*90,000 Iran, 1978-79 (revolution)

*29,000 Jordan government vs. Palestinians, 1970-71 (Black September)

*20,000 Syria, 1982 (against Islamists in Hama)

* 70,000 Syrians dead and counting, present internal conflict.

---more lists, but I've run out of space and energy!

You don't even value your own blood though, so how can any sane person expect you to value anybody elses. Take westerners out of the equasion, you will still kill each other with regular montony, you have been responsible for more of your own deaths in this modern era than any western influence.
The usual muslim banging on about Drones killing (and yes, unfortunatley they sometimes kill innocent civilians) when your own murder rate makes the drones look tame.

NINETY PERCENT OF THE ELEVEN MILLION MUSLIMS WHO HAVE DIED SINCE 1948 HAS BEEN BY EACH OTHER'S MUSLIM HANDS!! Maybe you should CONVINCE OTHER MUSLIMS OF YOUR PEACEFUL RELIGION NOT US WESTERNERS! "

Again, this is merely an inconvenient truth to a rabid brainwashed type muslim.
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MUQ if you think that then why are you Muslim?
Islam worships a false god, Allah is the moon god of the qareesh. Only Islam worships a black stone 'fallen from heaven, pieces of allahs face'.
Only Islam worships the lord of the Kaaba, the ghost or jinn devil spirit of Hubal, the idol who Allah was worshipped thru, until Hubal was replaced by Muhammad as a human idol and
Allah's messenger.
Net : Islam is godless, Allah is an Arab tribe pagan moon god that has no ears or mouth.
Deaf and mute ever since Muhammad was poisoned off by Aisha, that was the end of any
communication. Uthman then wrote the Quran and burnt all the other versions including muhammads.. So the Quran is false also.

If you believe in a higher god, then Islam isn't fir you. Your an Indian slave born as a prisoner into it. If your not Arab, you can't even go to heaven under Islam.
So it's a bit odd for you to be waffling on about god and righteousness, when you are a prisoner
in a belief system that has no god, worships objects & false idols, has a corrupted book of falsehood copied from others, and has a heaven reserved only for tribal Arabs...
Yes, it's quite odd for an 'indian to be defending
Islam, they were given Pakistan & Bangladesh for that nonsense. You know the Indian Muslims also have the caste system as well, so they believe there are superior and inferior sub species of humans. The ones at the bottom of Indian Islam (Dalit ?) are treated like they are non human dogs by other Muslims.
So no common god or equality in Indian Muslim, if anything it's worse than the Hindu for racism and inequality.
And the Indian Muslims also worship Indian gods & objects which is a big sin in Islam, so every Arab Muslim is taught that an Indian Muslim is unclean and spreads sin & disease.
Every Arab Muslim HAS TO WASH themselves if they come on contact with an Indian Muslim.
Obviously Allah's heaven is for Arabs only.
They tell you that.
Funny how any Indian would bother with Islam, let alone spruik the nonsense / when it rejects them entirely.
On a similiar note. One of the key Pakastani political parties is going to the polls on the platform that all non Sunni Muslims (ie Shia) in Pakistan are to be declared 'non Muslim's.
Yes, you heard that right.
The sunni's believe the Shia are their real enemy and by declaring them 'non Muslim's - like the Mongol based Hazara people, are declaring war on them.
There is no Allah. The allah moon is not a god. The borrowed gods & prophets of islam never supported islam. In fact, Jesus warned there would be such impostors, and devil worshippers such as Muhammad with false writings such as the Quran.
Islam fails everywhere. Godless.
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Why then do people's have to get their morals from religion instead of directly from god when they are born ?
Then "every one" become the "source of Moral" and there will be "perfect chaos" in the world.

But there are something which are "inherently present" in most of humans.

Like stealing is bad, like killing innocent people is bad, like fornication and adultery is bad, telling lies is bad. These are basic things which are present in subconscious of every humans and they have been planted there by God their Creator.

But finer points and regulations are sent thru prophets and messengers, to maintain peace and order in the society.

Allah Knows Best.
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01. I never believed in a god. Thirteen recorded generations of my Hindu family did not believe in a god or gods...
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02. But all my ancestors were good stand up people, mostly very learned, very civilized and law (dharma) abiding...

03. We have learned to be good for a reason, that reason is simply our own well being is always tied to my ..

04. If I rob I'll get robbed too, If I hate crime on others, others will hate crime on me back...
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Our Karma (action) must be according to Dharma (laws thought out that ensure goodness)||
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05. There is another source of our goodness: and that is LOVE,..

06. The problem is when the people in a society are very savage and violent, you can't go and reason with them abut the logics of being good- for to reason with humans you need a finite amount of time.

07. So God and fear of God is required initially, as FEAR takes hold instantly...

08. And you still need fear of punishments to counter greed, another very human attribute. And to tackle the deviant few.
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01. I am glad to know that you are your thirteen preceding generations did not believe in any god or any creator or any revelation. But still you fill your religion as "Hindu" in all your official records. Is this True?

How you rate that action on Morality Scale of 1 to 10?

02. What is the purpose of Dharma and good conduct if there is no god? How your Dharma following is going to help you?

03. If you have any knowledge of the world, the good does not always come back to you as good.

You see the people who are wealthiest and hold the post of Ministers, MP s , MLA s and High Posts in Police and Administration to be most corrupt, but they are still thriving?

04. It is not ALWAYS that you get paid in this life for your actions. So why should one be good to others?

What is the COMPELLING reason for one to be good? That is not explained/

How can Karma be according to Dharma, when you do not believe in god, is that not a contradiction in itself.

05. Love is a very good quality, but every thing in the world does not go by that.

06. You are wrong that only Primitive People need fear of God to rectify their conduct.

Fear of God is needed in every age. The basic thing which is the root cause of all problems in our present times is total absence or lack of fear of God.

And that is why, when on materialistic ground, present generation is at the peak, on scale of violence, crime and cruelty, we are at the bottom.

07. As I told, fear of God is always needed.

08. The FEAR of punishment for breaking the laws, is mostly for poor and common people. The mighty and high people of the society are above the FEAR of Law, because they are law unto themselves.

Fear of God and Fear of Personal accountability on the Last day are the ONLY way to correct all sections of society equally.

Because in the eyes of God we all are equal and no one has any kind of superiority over any one else.
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What Does It Mean To Be a Slave?

A Few Questions to Ask….

By Eric Peters (Contd.)

Is he free to raise his children as he considers best? To teach them as he sees fit? Or must he teach them things others decree he must teach them?
Is he even free to choose whom to marry? Or must he submit to the authority of others in even this most personal of life’s choices?
Is he free to defend himself when accosted by strangers? Or must he submit to these strangers, if they wear a certain type of outfit?(Did not the overseer also wear a certain type of outfit?)

May he own things?

More precisely, is he permitted other than conditional use of things? For instance, that which he may think of as “his” home. If it is in fact “his,” then surely that means no one else has legal claim to it and cannot take it away from him once he has paid the original seller in full. Ask him about the large payments he must make to others every year, forever, in order to be allowed to remain on “his” property. Remind him that plantation slaves also had homes – in the sense that they were allowed conditional use of dwellings. Dwellings ultimately owned by someone else. The slaves were permitted to use these dwellings so long as their labor provided enough return to the true owners of the dwelling. A slave who refused to work – who declined to make payments in the form of his labor then (and tax payments now) would soon discover who the true owner of “his” dwelling really was.
Just as today.

Ask whether he is compelled to give up whatever portion of the fruits of his labors others decide they are entitled to – and how this differs from the slave in the field being forced to pick cotton for the benefit of others .... Ask him what he thinks will happen if he declines to hand over the fruits of his labor….

Ask whether he is at liberty to do as he wills even with his own poor body. May he freely choose to treat his body’s ailments as he sees fit? Or will he be chained and jailed if he treats himself in other than the “lawful” manner?Ask whether he knows that he may be forcibly taken from his home if he declines to be “treated” in the manner prescribed by others.

Who, then, owns his body? His very person? If I have the power to compel you to do – or not do – then is it not a fact that to some degree at least, I am your owner?And in that case, are you not a slave?

The control need not be vicious or even mean. The owner of a beloved dog is no less the owner of the animal by dint of the fact that he treats it kindly and tends to its needs. The dog is not at liberty to come and go as it pleases. It is allowed to use certain items – an old sofa, for example – and not other things. It does not own anything.

It is owned.

Neither did the plantation slave own anything. And many had benevolent masters – for example, Thomas Jefferson – who tried to treat them with kindness, as they saw it. Who saw themselves as parents of subnormal adult children in need of guidance – and restraint. This benevolent treatment, however, in no way made the slaves other than slaves.

Behind the gentle guiding hand, always the whip.
As it is today – with the exception that today’s slaves are unaware of their condition and imagine themselves to be free. Its subtlety is its genius. Instead of individual plantations, there is one consolidated plantation called “our country.” But we are owned nonetheless.
It is immaterial that we are not normally chained… if the chains may be put on at the first hint of disobedience....

Well, we all know the answer to that one.

Throw it in the Woods?

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Allah Knows Best.
Allah knows fk all.
Your allah has done nothing but inspire terrorists and kept women in slavery.
Your allah can't even inspire you idiots to build a decent country and a decent society.

All Muslims want to come to Christian countries because your allah is such an idiot he can't do anything right.
Your allah is a real loser along with your pedophile Mo...md

You know MUQ, your just such an idiot, your stupid allah does not even exist!! He only exists in the minds of you ignorant stupid Muslims !!!

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Then "every one" become the "source of Moral" and there will be "perfect chaos" in the world.
But there are something which are "inherently present" in most of humans.
Like stealing is bad, like killing innocent people is bad, like fornication and adultery is bad, telling lies is bad. These are basic things which are present in subconscious of every humans and they have been planted there by God their Creator.
But finer points and regulations are sent thru prophets and messengers, to maintain peace and order in the society.
Allah Knows Best.
If Allah knows best then why do we need religion ?
God has not implanted bad things into our minds ;Society has done so seeing we are born in the likeness of god and as we grow ,our minds become susceptible to other corrupt thoughts much like religion.
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http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/01/30122...

MUQ, you muslims should have a good look at how us Christians live.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/01/30122...

We don't try to spatter other Christians children down the street like muslims try too do with other muslims children.
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I ASK DO YOU CONVICTS AND SLUMDOGS UNDERSTAND ANYTHING??????????
The New Testament reveals that when his disciples asked the “young and fearless prophet,”“Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?,” Jesus put a child in their midst, and said,“Truly I tell you, unless you change (italics added) and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.”(Matthew 18: 1-5)
It is eight-year-old Martin Richard who spoke truth to power. His words lead the way to real security—if America’s political and corporate leaders take his words to heart, and our nation’s religious leaders demand it:“No more hurting people. Peace.” May Martin Richard’s words forever remain in our midst, revealing the power of love.
Power of love
Love of power
In the middle of
Each we owe
In the love of power
We worship idols
In the power of love
We worship humanity
Love of power
For self interest
Power of Love
For other interest
Love of power
Builds fences
Power of love
Opens doors
Love of power
Is ideology based
Requires institutions
And the power of love
Is Holistic
And builds community
The love of power sees limits
The power of love is infinite (mhk)
Vomit up your filth you dirty stinking gutless immigrant Coward.

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You should practice first what you say to others. Do you know what talking sh**t is?
Yes, it is what you been doing for the past 3 years.

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Oh rubbish. YOu obviously have not studied history throughout the ages if you are saying that white races have killed more than all other religions combined.NIce highlight on your Muslim fantaticism and racism.
Just for starters:
* 40,000,000 Red China, 1949-76 (outright killing, manmade famine, Gulag)
* 4,000,000 Ethiopia, 1962-92: Communists, artificial hunger, genocides
* 3,900,000 Zaire (Congo-Kinshasa): 1967-68; 1977-78; 1992-95; 1998-present
* 2,800,000 Korean war, 1950-53
* 1,900,000 Sudan, 1955-72; 1983-2006 (civil wars, genocides)
* 1,970,000 Cambodia: Khmer Rouge 1975-79; civil war 1978-91
* 1,800,000 Vietnam War, 1954-75
* 1,800,000 Afghanistan: Soviet and internecine killings, Taliban 1980-2001
1* 1,450,000 West Pakistan massacres in East Pakistan (Bangladesh 1971)
1* 1,400,000 Nigeria, 1966-79 (Biafra); 1993-present
1* 1,100,000 Mozambique, 1964-70 (30,000)+ after retreat of Portugal 1976-92
*1,500,000 Iran-Iraq-War, 1980-88
*900,000 Rwanda genocide, 1994
15 875,000 Algeria: against France 1954-62 (675,000); between Islamists and the government 1991-2006 (200,000)
* 850,000 Uganda, 1971-79; 1981-85; 1994-present
* 650,000 Indonesia: Marxists 1965-66 (450,000); East Timor, Papua, Aceh etc, 1969-present (200,000)
* 580,000 Angola: war against Portugal 1961-72 (80,000); after Portugal’s retreat (1972-2002)
* 500,000 Brazil against its Indians, up to 1999
* 430,000 Vietnam, after the war ended in 1975 (own people; boat refugees)
* 400,000 Indochina: against France, 1945-54
* 400,000 Burundi, 1959-present (Tutsi/Hutu)
* 700,000 Somalia, 1991-present
* 700,000 North Korea up to present (own people)
* 350,000 Kurds in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, 1980s-1900,000 Iraq, 1970-2003 (Saddam against minorities)
* 190,000 Lebanon civil war, 1975-90
*90,000 Iran, 1978-79 (revolution)
*29,000 Jordan government vs. Palestinians, 1970-71 (Black September)
*20,000 Syria, 1982 (against Islamists in Hama)
* 70,000 Syrians dead and counting, present internal conflict.
---more lists, but I've run out of space and energy!
You don't even value your own blood though, so how can any sane person expect you to value anybody elses. Take westerners out of the equasion, you will still kill each other with regular montony, you have been responsible for more of your own deaths in this modern era than any western influence.
The usual muslim banging on about Drones killing (and yes, unfortunatley they sometimes kill innocent civilians) when your own murder rate makes the drones look tame.
NINETY PERCENT OF THE ELEVEN MILLION MUSLIMS WHO HAVE DIED SINCE 1948 HAS BEEN BY EACH OTHER'S MUSLIM HANDS!! Maybe you should CONVINCE OTHER MUSLIMS OF YOUR PEACEFUL RELIGION NOT US WESTERNERS! "
Again, this is merely an inconvenient truth to a rabid brainwashed type muslim.
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You forgot the biggest Muslim racist genocides committed against a race.
80 Million Hindu Indians were killed by Islam, the funny part is that MUQ's own family was killed out by Islam and he still worships
his Arabic Muslim leaders.
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I never believed in a god. Thirteen recorded generations of my Hindu family did not believe in a god or gods. Always rejected the idea of a creator of all things, a planner of all things, simply because of the lack of evidence or supporting logic. And without that god is just make belief.
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But all my ancestors were good stand up people, mostly very learned, very civilized and law (dharma) abiding. The focus on being good is of the highest priority to me. We follow man made laws (Dharma) that are designed (continuously rationalized) to make society good, peaceful, happy and progressive.
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We have learned to be good for a reason, that reason is simply our own well being is always tied to my brothers' and neighbors' well being in the long run. Individual well being is tied to societies well being. What goes around comes around. If I rob I'll get robbed too, If I hate crime on others, others will hate crime on me back. Will result in a lack of peace, progress and happiness for everybody including for me. That is the logic of being good, god or no god.
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Therefore Our Karma (ACTION) must be according to Dharma (laws thought out that ensure goodness)||
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There is another source of our goodness: and that is LOVE, that causes us to sacrifice our well being for another's well being ||
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The very human qualities of LOGIC (rational thought) and LOVE are the source of goodness for many of us of the godless kind.
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01. I am glad to know ...kind of superiority over any one else.
You asked for other sources of Morality (Wanting to be good)(other than fear of god) and I gave you TWO. All else is irrelevant to the argument. Your reply to so many points and I will humor you in a later post. But the question has been adequately answered.

Other 'sources' of morality (wanting to be good, or simply: goodness) other than human fear (of god) are INTELLECT and LOVE.

1)From Human INTELLECT - we can Understand the logic that that certain actions by individuals are bad for society and thus in time results in hurting the individual too who did the bad action initially.

That our long term well being is tied to my neighbor's well being. I hurt my neighbor and he'll hurt me back if he can. Or he will hurt others. In time, everybody ends up hurting each other. So a lot of people hurt. No one has peace of mind- alert all the time they could be attacked. With little peace, people can't think about other things, cooperation between people is not there and so progress is hindered. With out peace and progress, happiness is not possible.

Above concept can be understood by any independently conscious beings who have and will use- sufficient intellect ||

2) From Love - the emotion that makes one sacrifice own comfort and well being for another's. Why a mother will give her life for her child, or why a total stranger will push you out of harms way of a moving bus while jumping in herself. This you and many others already know well.

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You said- no other sources of morality (reason to be good) other than fear of god, and I gave you two. You can choose to address them, counter even. Or accept them as other sources for morality. Saying they are not enough (like saying 'Love is not enough') is not refuting them, they are still there, they don't disappear, enough or not.

In fact the only REASON (not source) that morality is needed is:- it is necessary for the well being of society (increases peace, progress and happiness for all). Sources are different from reason,- which are Intellect and Love.

And fear (of god) is neither SOURCE nor REASON but a MEANS of enforcing morality on society. Necessary if other means do not work.

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Yes, it's quite odd for an 'indian to be defending
Islam, they were given Pakistan & Bangladesh for that nonsense. You know the Indian Muslims also have the caste system as well, so they believe there are superior and inferior sub species of humans. The ones at the bottom of Indian Islam (Dalit ?) are treated like they are non human dogs by other Muslims.
So no common god or equality in Indian Muslim, if anything it's worse than the Hindu for racism and inequality.
And the Indian Muslims also worship Indian gods & objects which is a big sin in Islam, so every Arab Muslim is taught that an Indian Muslim is unclean and spreads sin & disease.
Every Arab Muslim HAS TO WASH themselves if they come on contact with an Indian Muslim.
Obviously Allah's heaven is for Arabs only.
They tell you that.
Funny how any Indian would bother with Islam, let alone spruik the nonsense / when it rejects them entirely.
On a similiar note. One of the key Pakastani political parties is going to the polls on the platform that all non Sunni Muslims (ie Shia) in Pakistan are to be declared 'non Muslim's.
Yes, you heard that right.
The sunni's believe the Shia are their real enemy and by declaring them 'non Muslim's - like the Mongol based Hazara people, are declaring war on them.
There is no Allah. The allah moon is not a god. The borrowed gods & prophets of islam never supported islam. In fact, Jesus warned there would be such impostors, and devil worshippers such as Muhammad with false writings such as the Quran.
Islam fails everywhere. Godless.
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All Indian, Bangladesh and Pakistani Indians with a little bit of education do realise that they are Hindus and as you pointed out that No Arabic Muslim want anything to do with a Hindu Muslim.
It is said by Muhammad no person shall enter heaven if the person does not have a white face.
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01. I am glad to know that you are your thirteen preceding generations did not believe in any god or any creator or any revelation. But still you fill your religion as "Hindu" in all your official records. Is this True?
How you rate that action on Morality Scale of 1 to 10?
While not directly relevant to the argument I mentioned this not due to pride, but to show that it is possible for people to want to be good even as they are not believers of god. Such people do exist.

Hindu is just a term that has a specific definition as to one who follows the main principles of hinduism (ahimsa, dharma, veda). Nowhere is god belief mandatory. Lots of people consider themselves as hindu but non-theist too.
Some are mono theists while others are polytheists.
Refer:- Hindu Philosophy wiki page.

In India there is no religion column you have to fill anywhere. That was I think was long ago. Even if in some state asks in some form, you can choose not to answer. It is Illegal to ask religion in census survey!
02. What is the purpose of Dharma and good conduct if there is no god? How your Dharma following is going to help you?
Purpose is personal well being and societal well being. Well being of society only multiples personal well being as it enables co operation. Well being = Peace + Progress + Happiness.
03. If you have any knowledge of the world, the good does not always come back to you as good.
You see the people who are wealthiest and hold the post of Ministers, MP s , MLA s and High Posts in Police and Administration to be most corrupt, but they are still thriving?
Agree. But the larger good of society is still a EVENTUAL and GRADUAL result of morality guided good behavior code.

To deal with the rich and powerful, and the not so rich and powerful, we make openly declared LAWS, rules or Dharma that are applicable to all. Yes the rich can have more influence on framing of the laws and try to corrupt them. A majority can do same against a minority. Transparency is required, and apart from democracy,'logicracy' is needed ie rational thought. Rich powerful can also corrupt 'word of god'. Muslims claim Christianity as corrupted by Constantine. Shia claim Sunni Islam as corrupted by ...you know who.

The threshold for any change should be sound logic. Making laws absolutely rigid makes then unable to reform and remove flaws.
04. It is not ALWAYS that you get paid in this life for your actions. So why should one be good to others?
What is the COMPELLING reason for one to be good? That is not explained/
LOVE for one. One has only to let oneself feel it for fellow man.

Yes that can be. A saint might get lot of misery and heart ache in return for all the goodwork. But few individual exceptions do not discount the reasons for being good which is General well being of society. Odds are, that most members of a society that has rational laws that maximize peace progress and happiness, will benefit over time. All societies are living proof of this, those that follow good laws. Better the laws (more rational), better off their members are on an average.
How can Karma be according to Dharma, when you do not believe in god, is that not a contradiction in itself.
Where is the contradiction? Karma = Action, behavior (in Sanskrit). Dharma = Duties, Rules, Laws - formulated and rationalized upon by wise men of society so as to maximize their well being (peace, progress, happiness).

Where does god come in?
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05. Love is a very good quality, but every thing in the world does not go by that.
No, Intellect is also essential. As are discipline and good habits. Also fear of punishments as last resort for the greedy and deviants (like psychopaths etc)
06. You are wrong that only Primitive People need fear of God to rectify their conduct.
I can not answer that question 100% on logic alone as I do not have knowledge of all societies for all time.
All I can say is their are societies that are doing very well with out god fear to enforce laws and discipline already.
And more and more people are going to turn atheist faster than ever this century. Those non theists need to be given a reason for morality and goodness. I suggest the truth; ie the need to be good is- for their own well being.
Fear of God is needed in every age. The basic thing which is the root cause of all problems in our present times is total absence or lack of fear of God.
And that is why, when on materialistic ground, present generation is at the peak, on scale of violence, crime and cruelty, we are at the bottom.
07. As I told, fear of God is always needed
Just your opinion, you are welcome to hold on to it or discard it.
08. The FEAR of punishment for breaking the laws, is mostly for poor and common people. The mighty and high people of the society are above the FEAR of Law, because they are law unto themselves.
Fear of God and Fear of Personal accountability on the Last day are the ONLY way to correct all sections of society equally.
Because in the eyes of God we all are equal and no one has any kind of superiority over any one else.
You have a point here but as I said so called 'laws of god' are also corruptible and have been. The reason for using a god to back a set of laws is to ensure their incorruptibility as well as making people adhere to them at all.

Writing them down and making them openly known to all- also works:- TRANSPARENCY.

AND to have the Declared requirement for any law to be rational, logical and proven effectiveness; is another great way to lesser corruptibility. The advantage here is the allowance for change in case a flaw is realized later. Any challenger only has to prove logically that a law is not effective or another is more effective. If the logic fails, the challenge is rejected. So improvements are possible while there is high threshold for change.

Yes it is not a hundred percent incorruptible system.

BUT People who keep improving will eventually be better than those who are rigid no matter how great the rigid laws were (if they were). Yes they would have to be Perfect otherwise, LOL so you must so claim all the time!

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