Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46752 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Trucker

Australia

#39205 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Try it, it MIGHT work in Australia!!
Why you discard it without trying it?
Democracy works so well in Western countries but is a total failure in every Muslim country.
So do not be biased and implement it. It will surely solve the Muslim crime problem!!
this sounds like angry child syndrome , when they can't play fair or play with others nicely, child throws tantrum . Others not guilty ! They play well with everyone and all embrace them ! Angry child gets do frustrated they harm themselves and whole family first, because those people live with them and others stay safe in their own he.

Don't worry about what goes on in someone else's house , you just torture your mind ! Worry about your own house first and the love appears to be gone ! Like angry child ! It is a waist for others to offer love to angry child, angry child must learn to love self first. Muslims hate Muslims , more Muslims kill Muslims than any other people in history of planet . Don't worry about Jews , you are beneath them, don't think about their house , worry about your own. Eventually "others intervene" angry child gets kicked out in cold, punished, even thrown into the desert to die. We only put up with so much ! Enough is enough ! Do Muslims feel like they are being picked on ! First thing others do is intervene for education purposes ! sound familiar ? Second they enter bad house breeding angry child . Authorities remove angry child or house ruler ! sound familiar ? Later they give angry child label so no one makes mistake of playing with angry child ! Feeling that ? Then don't let angry child keep harming others ! sound familiar ! Last resort is adopt angry child to good home and good people ! hhmmm ! Then tear down house of angry children everywhere . We re educate them enough to at least understand consequences of their own actions, otherwise they just feel persecuted because they are low iq monkeys . Behavior modifications by the only language they understand "violence", there own religion and law has brainwashed them with causing their plight and keeping them dumb and down. We just keep on helping and liberating till they all been healed or saved ! That's what we do ! All you do is blow stuff up and kill, not playing well with others who will have to rule you to modify your satanic ways. The good always prevail in the informed society. This is the era of the information highway and informed society, your dark ages are coming to an end. Look forward to a bright new future like Iraq and the Arab spring is well under way ! Peace brothers !
MUQ taqiyya

East Maitland, Australia

#39206 May 7, 2013
Are Shia and related Alawites = Muslim ?
The Sunni's say they are not.
They say the Shia and Alawites are heretics.
Today in Sryia the civil war within Islam flares.
The Shia & the Alawites fight the Sunni.
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Are Rohingya (Burmese) Muslim ?

The Sunni and Shia say they are not.
Today both the Buddhist & Sunni conspire to kill the Rohingya. The Rohingya flee to the safe haven of non Islamic countries.
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Are Hazara (Mongol) Muslim ?
Today the Sunni conspire to kill the Hazara.
The Hazara flee to the safe haven of non Islamic countries.
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Are Indian Sunni = Muslim ?
The Arab Sunni say they are not really. They rule that non Arab Sunni 'do not go' to the same heaven as Arab Sunni. Muslim heaven has segregated quarters it seems.

This is the real face of Islam.
Riven with heresy, intolerance, and godless.
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=> What say you MUQ as response to the facts?
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#39207 May 7, 2013
Trucker wrote:
<quoted text>this sounds like angry child syndrome , when they can't play fair or play with others nicely, child throws tantrum . Others not guilty ! They play well with everyone and all embrace them ! Angry child gets do frustrated they harm themselves and whole family first, because those people live with them and others stay safe in their own he.
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Why should you care if it is a primitive law or not. Are you interested in solving your problem or not?

I gave you the prescription and you do not want to take it, how you will be cured, how your society will be cured?

You want to simmer in your own juices, continue to do so!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39208 May 7, 2013
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

The Method to the Post 9/11 Madness

By David Swanson

September 11, 2012 "Information Clearing House" -- To your average educated careful consumer of U.S. news media, our militarism looks like ad hoc reactionary responses. A crisis flairs up here. We “intervene” there. An irrational foreign dictator threatens the peace over yonder. We get into wars because we have no choice, and then continue them because ending them would be somehow even worse than continuing them.

In fact, there is a method to the madness. I don’t mean just the pressure that President Eisenhower warned us would be created by massive military spending. I mean that the war planners have planned far ahead. They have lists of upcoming wars.(In 2001, according toWesley Clark the Pentagon sought wars in the coming years with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. Tony Blair independently confirmed a similar list.) They invent the public excuses for those wars as the need arises. The actual motivations are not humanitarian, but driven by a crazed desire to dominate the world’s economies, waterways, and fossil fuels.

The papers of the 1990s pro-war think tank, the Project for the New American Century, fit with and explain what the United States and NATO and their allies have done for the past 11 years far better than President Bush’s speech given on the wreckage of the World Trade Center or anything announced by the White House right up through President Obama’s latest campaign speeches this week.

A new book called “The Globalization of NATO” by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya traces the development of NATO, from a supposedly defensive and North Atlantic organization, into an aggressive and global one, albeit one with some deep internal rivalries and tensions.


World War II never ended. The Nazi scientists were brought to the United States to continue developing weapons. Secret forces were left behind, within European governments (“Gladio” is the well-known name of the force in Italy), where they killed and lied in support of right-leaning governments for decades, and in support of NATO’s strength and unity.

“The Globalization of NATO” looks not only at NATO’s 1990s wars in Yugoslavia, but at the U.S. machinations during the 1980s that led to conflict there. As Nazemroaya notes, in 2009, the U.S. eagerly pointed out that the language of Moldova is essentially Romanian, but had when useful in the 1990s tried to claim that the Serbo-Croatian of Bosnia was a different language from the Serbo-Croatian of Serbia. Such claims, like outrage at human rights abuses in Syria and Iran but not in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia, are opportunistic.

When U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright learned of a massacre in a Kosovan village, Racak, she delightedly exclaimed,“Spring has come early!” NATO was able to begin its campaign of “humanitarian wars” with massive bombing of civilians. But the enemy wasn’t the people of Yugoslavia. The enemies were Russia and China and Iran. They are the enemies today. In 1999, NATO bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, and that same Wesley Clark ordered British and French troops to attack the Russian military. Luckily, those troops refused that order, not wanting to be pawns in a game that risky.
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#39209 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I gave you the prescription and you do not want to take it, how you will be cured, how your society will be cured?
You want to simmer in your own juices, continue to do so!!
MUQ, your so stupid.
Your prescriptions are not worth sh^t, you know nothing, one only has to look at the countries and societies you and your forefathers built to realize your completely useless, a total failure!!

Don't bother giving other people advise, your advise only makes things worse!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39210 May 7, 2013
GG wrote:
01. "Choose what to do" is what morality is, the choice being between right and wrong.
Definitions of Morality-

1. Concern with the distinction between good and evil or right and wrong; right or good conduct FOR AN INDIVIDUAL IN SOCIETY

2. Motivation for actions and behavior for an individual in society based on ideas of right and wrong


( 02. So yes morality is the ability to distinguish AND choose between right and wrong.

03. Also please note- knowledge of god has to be drilled into an individual,

04. If one did not turn their intellect on the subject of morality and rational civics .

05. Intellect allows us to think and understand a lot of things. Intellect can be used to understand Physics,

06. TO be a RATIONAL CIVILIZED person (

@MUQ

Also note-

1. When you say that morality has only one source which is fear of god, then your morality does not survive in a godless society.
2. In a system where morals are linked to the idea that good behavior will be rewarded after death (..

Lots of LOVE and GOOD LOGIC be upon you and all others too.
Ans.

Thank you for you long inputs and no discussions on t=such issues end with complete agreements.

What I said about "Fear of God and Fear of Individual accountable" being the Source of All Morals, was from "Angle of implementation".

That does not deny that there are not other sources.

But none of these will "force" any individual to "accept and implement" these rules in their lives.

While Fear of God and Fear of Personal Accountability will "force" him to act accordingly to moral rules, even when there is no one seeing him or able to stop him from doing immoral acts.

Your inputs are only philosophical and only for the sake of discussions.

That does not mean they are wrong, thanks for your big efforts.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39211 May 7, 2013
Serpent wrote:
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MUQ, your so stupid.
Your prescriptions are not worth sh^t, you know nothing, one only has to look at the countries and societies you and your forefathers built to realize your completely useless, a total failure!!
Don't bother giving other people advise, your advise only makes things worse!!
May be it is you who is stupid?

Did you look at the mirror lately?

Why every one of you is do damn sure about other people?

is that what they teach you at schools to ex-convicts children?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39212 May 8, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Try it, it MIGHT work in Australia!!
Why you discard it without trying it?
Democracy works so well in Western countries but is a total failure in every Muslim country.
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MUQ I do not know how old you are.
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It appears you never read international printed Newspapers or google outside of Saudi.
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For Turkey and Indonesia both are Islamic countries and both has had a successful democratic government since 1950.
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Democracy in its Western form, that is, constitutional and representative government, is becoming popular again after a long period of relative unpopularity, and many people in nondemocratic Islamic countries are beginning to see in the Western form of democracy the best if not the only solution to their problems.
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Most Muslims Want Democracy, Personal Freedoms, and Islam in Political Life
Few Believe U.S. Backs Democracy
Overview
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More than a year after the first stirrings of the Arab Spring, there continues to be a strong desire for democracy in Arab and other predominantly Muslim nations.
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Solid majorities in Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, Tunisia and Jordan believe democracy is the best form of government, as do a plurality of Pakistanis.
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Indeed, these publics do not just support the general notion of democracy – they also embrace specific features of a democratic system, such as competitive elections and free speech.

The figures are as follows for those Islamic countries seeking the Democratic way of running their country.
http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2012/07/2012-A...

MUQ running countries the Islamic way is on the way out.
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MUQ only MUgs,fools, Idiots, backward people, and Muslim like you do not want democracy.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39213 May 8, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
May be it is you who is stupid?
Did you look at the mirror lately?
Why every one of you is do damn sure about other people?
is that what they teach you at schools to ex-convicts children?
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MUQ you seem to be obsessed with Australian being ex-convicts and we are still able to be one of the most successful country sits in the world.
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If any one the countries that practice Islam was half as good as what it is in Australia, we would not have all the criminal Muslim flocking to Australia.
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Every Islamic country I paid a visit to are backwards and these countries are controlled by cruel,stupid, backward, antiquated, Islamic rules.
9572

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

May the Force be with You .

#39214 May 8, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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There are crimes and criminal minded people in every nation and amongst every groups.....
...But....
There is only One Country in the world which was started by ex-criminals!!
Ex criminals ?
Name it ?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39215 May 8, 2013
MUQ and Aliroger1 both realise that they are not able to debate sensible their intellectual knowledge and IQ is much less, that is why both avoid me like the plague.
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MUQ has very limited education although claims to be an engineer educated in a Hindu University in India and work on a nominal wages in Saudi.
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On the other hand Aliroger1 is well versed with world matters and knows how to use google to his advantage.
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What Aliroger1 does is keep searching in google until he finds the answer he is looking for.
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If you keep on searching in Google you will find a link telling you that black is white and white is black.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39216 May 9, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Ex criminals ?
Name it ?
Look at history of Australia and the founder members of that country.
Sullivan

Brisbane, Australia

#39217 May 9, 2013
Look at this unclean unkempt Hobo,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/violent-...

Rot in Jail you Racist Hate Filled Vagrant, and when your jailers release you, go back to your Hate filled violent country from whence you came scum.
Trevor

Brisbane, Australia

#39218 May 9, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Look at history of Australia and the founder members of that country.
Look at the history of the middle east, and founding members of those country's.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/...

And the proof is in the pudding, what a horrible place in the world its no wonder they are fleeing like rats to come to peaceful Australia.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39219 May 9, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Look at history of Australia and the founder members of that country.
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Look at the founder and the history of Islam.
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http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/01/1...
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One of the first thing Islam did was kill 80 Million Indian Hindus.

Way back in the days when Muhammad was around he was known to be a Caravan thief.
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From reading the writings about Muhammad's life everyone found out he had committed more crimes.
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For example Murdering people, raping women,
Molestation of Aisha when she was 6 years old by rubbing hos penis between her legs.
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Raped a retarded woman.
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Murdered a woman.
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Had sex with his dead aunt.
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Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped.
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There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man.
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There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave.
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There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror.
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All such sexual acts are rape. RAPE IS RAPE
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Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam.
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Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.
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Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.
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Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children.
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Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.
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Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.
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No befriending Christians and Jews.
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Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.
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Married his daughter – in – law.
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Approved prostitution.
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Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.
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Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.
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Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror.
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Advocated suicide attacks.
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Executed apostates and homosexuals.
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Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.
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Honor killings of Muslim women and children.
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Beat alcoholics. Lied.
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Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.
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Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.
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Tortured a man out of greed.
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Looted and plundered.
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Preached hate for people of other religions.
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Extorted money from other religions
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Forced conversions to Islam
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Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.
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MUQ check your own backyard firs before talking about Australia.
Skippy

Sydney, Australia

#39220 May 9, 2013
Is this a joke question? I thought given the terrorist acts; the aggression; the death threats over stupid things like jokes or movies they disapprove of, the constant fighting, the signs held up demanding BEHEADING in Australia, it's pretty much self explanatory.
immigrant

East Maitland, Australia

#39221 May 9, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Ex criminals ?
Name it ?
OK OK CONVICTS AND EX CRIMINALS YOU CAN BARK AS MUCH AS YOU WANT BUT THIS ONE IS ONE OF YOUR OWN, NO DOUBT YOU WILL BARK AT HIM WITH VENOM AS WELL, LLOL, LLOL,

MAY 09, 2013
Time for a Fifth Estate
Hold the Front Page!
by JOHN PILGER
The other day, I stood outside the strangely silent building where I began life as a journalist. It is no longer the human warren that was Consolidated Press in Sydney, though ghosts still drink at the King’s Head pub nearby. As a cadet reporter, I might have walked on to the set of Lewis Milestone’s The Front Page. Men in red braces did shout,“Hold the front page”, and tilt back their felt hats and talk rapidly with a roll-your-own attached indefinitely to their lower lip. You could feel the presses rumbling beneath and smell the ink.
This was the Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph, where I learned to report crime, courts, sport, killer bees, Rotary meetings and the arrival of almost famous people from that mysterious land,“overseas”. The proprietor was a former boxer, Frank Packer, immortalised in Cyril Pearl’s Wild Men of Sydney, and knighted for his vendettas against anyone to the political left of Pontius Pilate.
“Sir Frank” was seen on the editorial floor on Saturday nights after the races. If his horse had lost, fear and loathing were a presence. Once, he cancelled all the late editions and exiled the production staff to the King’s Head, where their necessary return was negotiated from a phone on the public bar.
My only encounter with Sir Frank was when I foolishly boarded a geriatric lift precariously filled with the corpulent proprietor and his two gargantuan sons, Clyde and Kerry.“Who the fuck are you?” said Kerry, later to find distinction as the money bags behind World Series cricket.
The training was superb. A style developed by a highly literate editor, Brian Penton, who had published poetry in the Telegraph, instilled a respect for English grammar and the value and informed simplicity. Words like “during” were banned; “in” was quite enough. The passive voice was considered lazy and banned, along with most clichés and adjectives — except those in the splenetic editorials demanding all Reds went to hell. When I boarded a rust-streaked Greek ship for Europe, I was sorry to leave; I had begun to learn about the craft of journalism and about those who controlled it and used it and why.
A lesson that endures is that when the rich and powerful and own the means of popular enlightenment and dress it up as a “free press”, bestowing a false respectability called the “mainstream”, the opposite is usually true. Sir Frank turned out to be a minnow compared compared with Rupert Murdoch.
Murdoch bought the Packer newspapers in 1972 and today controls 70 per cent of Australia’s capital city press, along with dozens of local and regional newspapers. In Adelaide and Brisbane he owns almost everything. Two conglomerates dedicated to a doctrinaire, often extreme world view — Murdoch’s News Limited and Fairfax Media — control 86 per cent of the Australian press.
This absence of choice and real dissent, let alone “balance”, extends to the national broadcaster, the ABC, a progeny of the BBC run as a corporate hierarchy. There are honourable exceptions, of course, among them Philip Dorling, Kate McClymont and Quentin Dempstero. Unlike the US and Britain, independent online journalism is rare. The result is a sameness that seems remarkable and demeaning in a first world, educated society.
Murdoch’s augmented obsessions rule. The Labor government of Julia Gillard is loathed by his newspapers. This is inexplicable as Labor’s policies are more or less those of the conservative coalition of Tony “Mad Monk” Abbott. When Communications Minister Stephen Conroy proposed timid post-Leveson regulation, he was depicted as Stalin in the fashion of the Sun in London.
immigrant

East Maitland, Australia

#39222 May 9, 2013
When Labor’s prime minister in 2010, Kevin Rudd, announced a modest tax on the mega-profits of the mining companies, he was deposed by his own party following a propaganda campaign across the media, largely funded by the mining lobby.
Public perception of non-conformist minorities, especially Australia’s indigenous people, is often taken from the media. These unique first people are seen as “bludgers”– spongers. This inverts a truth that is never news: a parasitical, lucrative white industry is effectively licensed by federal and state governments to exploit indigenous hardship.
Like America, Australia in its early colonial days had a vibrant press, a “medley of competing voices”, wrote Edward Smith Hall, editor of the crusading Sydney Monitor. Journalists were “the voice of the people” and not of the “trade of authority”. In the late 19th century, there were 143 independent newspapers in New South Wales alone. By 1988, the empires of Murdoch, Fairfax, Packer empires and Alan Bond, later imprisoned for the country’s biggest corporate fraud, dominated the “mainstream” as an exclusive Order of Mates.
This is true across much of the democratic world. The medley of voices on the internet has dented monopoly media power, though the same monopolies are now consuming the web.“Social media” are largely introverted, a look-at-me peep show for the digitally besotted. As the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta approaches, hard-won rights such as the presumption of innocence are buried beneath the tentacular might of corporate systems.
Ironically, in the “information age”, censorship by omission is a weapon of this power – the silencing of whistleblowers without whom journalism can never be free, and of a compliant, privileged “left”. Militarised policing, displayed recently in Boston, consumes an America waging “perpetual war” and now threatening China. In Europe, a savage class war rages from Greece to Spain and Britain. It is no surprise that newspapers in thrall to this corrupt power are ailing.
Edmund Burke mythologised the press as a Fourth Estate. Today, we need a “fifth estate” right across the media and in journalism training and on the streets. We need those like Edward Smith Hall, who see themselves as agents of people not power.
John Pilger’s film on Australia, Utopia, will be released in the autumn.

BUT DID YOU CONVICTS UNDERSTAND ANYTHING? LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,
immigrant

East Maitland, Australia

#39223 May 9, 2013
Surah Yunus-(Jonah)- 44

104 Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! If ye are in doubt of my religion, then (know that) I worship not those whom ye worship instead of Allah, but I worship Allah Who causeth you to die, and I have been commanded to be of the believers.
105 And,(O Muhammad) set thy purpose resolutely for religion, as a man by nature upright, and be not of those who ascribe partners (to Allah).
106 And cry not, beside Allah, unto that which cannot profit thee nor hurt thee, for if thou didst so then wert thou of the wrong-doers.
107 If Allah afflicteth thee with some hurt, there is none who can remove it save Him; and if He desireth good for thee, there is none who can repel His bounty. He striketh with it whom He will of his bondmen. He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.
108 Say: O mankind! Now hath the Truth from your Lord come unto you. So whosoever is guided, is guided only for (the good of) his soul, and whosoever erreth erreth only against it. And I am not a warder over you.
109 And (O Muhammad) follow that which is inspired in thee, and forbear until Allah give judgment. And He is the Best of Judges.

AMEN
immigrant

East Maitland, Australia

#39224 May 9, 2013
BUT DID YOU CONVICTS UNDERSTAND ANYTHING? LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,

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