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MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#39103 May 3, 2013
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What Does It Mean To Be a Slave?

A Few Questions to Ask….

By Eric Peters

September 10, 2012 "Information Clearing House" -- Debating the merits of a particular government policy or proposal with authoritarian-minded political opponents is pointless – if you’re hoping to persuade, at any rate. Far better to ask them a few apparently simple questions – and force them to confront the disquieting answers about the authoritarian nature of the political and social system they support.

For instance, you might ask what their view of slavery is. Is it morally wrong to own another human being? Probably, they will say it is wrong. Now ask: What does it mean to be a slave? Usually, they will tell you it means being the property of another. Now ask the killer follow-up: What does it mean to be the property of another?

Point out that it means having control over another person’s life – control of his actual person, his body. His mind, even.

To be in a position – to be entitled – to use violence to enforce compliance.
A slave is not at liberty to act as he wishes to act. He must do as he is told – and if he does not, he can expect physical punishment and that punishment will not be considered assault. The slave must accept his punishment.

There is no appeal, no recourse. He must bow low and submit – or risk the repercussions, which ultimately include death.

His only hope is escape.

The slave, most obviously, owns nothing – because he controls nothing. He may be allowed to use things. But the owner of these things – himself included – is someone else. Someone else gets to say yes – or no. When – and where. How – and how much. The slave has no real say – in that he is never in a position to say no. Not without consequences raining down upon him.
He merely obeys. Because he must obey.

The fact that his hands may hold the scythe does not mean the scythe is his. The fact that the effort of his body cuts the wheat does not mean the wheat is his. He is permitted to keep a portion. In principle, because in fact, the slave owns nothing that may not be taken away from him. At any time, for any reason. And he is powerless to do anything about it.

The slave’s dwelling, the clothes he wears – even his very body – are subject to arbitrary control against his will by another person or persons. This is the essence of what it means to be a slave.

Be sure your opponent accepts these points – which he must accept, because to not accept them is not unlike refusing to accept that 2 + 2 = four.

Now ask him whether he (or anyone else he knows) is free to determine the course of his own life. Or do others set down terms and conditions which he must obey?

Is he free to do business with whomever he chooses to do business? Or is he told exactly with whom he must do business – and under what conditions?
May he travel freely? Or is he required to travel with permission – and only under certain conditions? Must he carry ownership papers with him wherever he goes? And is it not true that if he is caught without these papers, he is subject to arrest and imprisonment for that reason alone?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#39104 May 3, 2013
sid wrote:
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Best thing to do when you've dug a hole you can't get out of is to stop digging.
Translation.
Stop talking shit.
You should practice first what you say to others. Do you know what talking sh**t is?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#39105 May 3, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Hello MUQ ,seeing as you say morals are of man ,what sayeth that towards god's way ?
Does god have morals ?
God has every quality in perfection. He is the source of Morals, so the question is itself not justified to ask if God has morals.

Whatever morality we see in the world is remnants of what prophets taught to their followers.

Without scriptures there is no other source of morality in the world and no one can prove or justify any moral principle.

All their arguments are flawed and not defendable.

Fear of God and fear of personal accountability on the last day are the "Only" true forces for people to use Moral principles.
Godless Goodness

Trivandrum, India

#39106 May 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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God has every quality in perfection. He is the source of Morals, so the question is itself not justified to ask if God has morals.
Whatever morality we see in the world is remnants of what prophets taught to their followers.
Without scriptures there is no other source of morality in the world and no one can prove or justify any moral principle.
All their arguments are flawed and not defendable.
Fear of God and fear of personal accountability on the last day are the "Only" true forces for people to use Moral principles.
I never believed in a god. Thirteen recorded generations of my Hindu family did not believe in a god or gods. Always rejected the idea of a creator of all things, a planner of all things, simply because of the lack of evidence or supporting logic. And without that god is just make belief.
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But all my ancestors were good stand up people, mostly very learned, very civilized and law (dharma) abiding. The focus on being good is of the highest priority to me. We follow man made laws (Dharma) that are designed (continuously rationalized) to make society good, peaceful, happy and progressive. We have learned to be good for a reason, that reason is simply our own well being is always tied to my brothers' and neighbors' well being in the long run. Individual well being is tied to societies well being. What goes around comes around. If I rob I'll get robbed too, If I hate crime on others, others will hate crime on me back. Will result in a lack of peace, progress and happiness for everybody including for me. That is the logic of being good, god or no god.
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Our Karma (action) must be according to Dharma (laws thought out that ensure goodness)||
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There is another source of our goodness: and that is LOVE, that causes us to sacrifice our well being for another's well being ||
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The very human qualities of LOGIC (rational thought) and LOVE are the source of goodness for many of us of the goodless kind.
Godless Goodness

Trivandrum, India

#39107 May 3, 2013
The problem is when the people in a society are very savage and violent, you can't go and reason with them abut the logics of being good- for to reason with humans you need a finite amount of time. And you will get killed long before the reasons or logic takes hold (percolates) in sufficient numbers of people to make it safe for you.

So God and fear of God is required initially, as FEAR takes hold instantly. Then in time said society will be peaceful and mature and gentle enough to see the benefits of being good (and understand reason to follow laws that enforce goodness). LOGIC and LOVE flow more freely in humans in certain environments!

And you still need fear of punishments to counter greed, another very human attribute. And to tackle the deviant few.
alfie

Rhodes, Australia

#39108 May 3, 2013
Australian cattle exports to Egypt halted because of cruelty. Just how dumb are our officials anyway? All Muslim countries we export livestock to are going to do this, they are barbarians & will kill them slowly & cruelly under Halal slaughter rules. All the officials allowing live export to Islamic countries should be charged with animal cruelty.
Godless Goodness

Trivandrum, India

#39109 May 3, 2013
Godless Goodness wrote:
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...We have learned to be good for a reason, that reason is simply our own well being is always tied to my brothers' and neighbors' well being in the long run. Individual well being is tied to societies well being. What goes around comes around. If I rob I'll get robbed too, If I hate crime on others, others will hate crime on me back. Will result in a lack of peace, progress and happiness for everybody including for me. That is the logic of being good, god or no god.
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Our Karma (action) must be according to Dharma (laws thought out that ensure goodness)||
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There is another source of our goodness: and that is LOVE, that causes us to sacrifice our well being for another's well being ||
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The very human qualities of LOGIC (rational thought) and LOVE are the source of goodness for many of us of the goodless kind.
OOPS! Sorry. Typo in the second last word

I meant godless kind (not goodless kind).

“Free Screeech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#39110 May 4, 2013
immigrant wrote:
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Does that include western nations, their criminal Zionist owners and stooge nations who willingly and consciously indulge in combined murder of innocent women and children, or is your UN vision limited to enmity towards Muslims only?
In fact Israel has broken more UN resolutions that any other in UN history This country also has the benefit that their biggest ally, the USA, will veto any serious resolution against them preventing any action from being carried out. Does this seem right or fair?
Was the UN designed only to be a tool to be used by the powerful to legitimize it’s actions?
let me assure you the west is completely powerless to defeat Muslims, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan is sufficient proof.
1.5 billion Muslims are not going to vanish anywhere and they are far stronger in faith and numbers than post-Christianity nations who are rapidly declining economically, morally and militarily.
Unlike other people who were overwhelmed by western intrigue (read divide and rule policy) treachery and firepower, Muslims will continue to fight back UN or no UN, as time goes by they will continue to develop indigenous weaponry like Iran and Pakistan, this frightens the west because they know they have committed crimes against humanity.
The current UN is a joke and will not last long, going by examples of human history I see great violence up ahead because the west will not give up its "sheriff of the world" status without a fight, but so far all their military misadventures have ended in humiliation and defeat and that doesn't bode well for world peace.
To answer your question,the UN needs sharper teeth to keep all member states in line so they don't do as you say.
The state of Islam is it's own worst enemy going on it's own history no doubt you personally know about.

“Free Screeech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#39111 May 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
God has every quality in perfection. He is the source of Morals, so the question is itself not justified to ask if God has morals.
Whatever morality we see in the world is remnants of what prophets taught to their followers.
Without scriptures there is no other source of morality in the world and no one can prove or justify any moral principle.
All their arguments are flawed and not defendable.
Fear of God and fear of personal accountability on the last day are the "Only" true forces for people to use Moral principles.
Why then do people's have to get their morals from religion instead of directly from god when they are born ?
MUQ lost

Australia

#39112 May 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
God has every quality in perfection. He is the source of Morals, so the question is itself not justified to ask if God has morals.
Whatever morality we see in the world is remnants of what prophets taught to their followers.
Without scriptures there is no other source of morality in the world and no one can prove or justify any moral principle.
All their arguments are flawed and not defendable.
Fear of God and fear of personal accountability
on the last day are the "Only" true forces for people to use Moral principles.
MUQ if you think that then why are you Muslim?
Islam worships a false god, Allah is the moon god of the qareesh. Only Islam worships a black stone 'fallen from heaven, pieces of allahs face'.
Only Islam worships the lord of the Kaaba, the ghost or jinn devil spirit of Hubal, the idol who Allah was worshipped thru, until Hubal was replaced by Muhammad as a human idol and
Allah's messenger.
Net : Islam is godless, Allah is an Arab tribe pagan moon god that has no ears or mouth.
Deaf and mute ever since Muhammad was poisoned off by Aisha, that was the end of any communication. Uthman then wrote the Quran and burnt all the other versions including muhammads.. So the Quran is false also.
If you believe in a higher god, then Islam isn't fir you. Your an Indian slave born as a prisoner into it. If your not Arab, you can't even go to heaven under Islam.

So it's a bit odd for you to be waffling on about god and righteousness, when you are a prisoner in a belief system that has no god, worships objects & false idols, has a corrupted book of falsehood copied from others, and has a heaven reserved only for tribal Arabs...
MalbarCACA Controllers

UK

#39113 May 4, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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101010101010
Who cares?

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#39114 May 4, 2013
alfie wrote:
Australian cattle exports to Egypt halted because of cruelty. Just how dumb are our officials anyway? All Muslim countries we export livestock to are going to do this, they are barbarians & will kill them slowly & cruelly under Halal slaughter rules. All the officials allowing live export to Islamic countries should be charged with animal cruelty.
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Do you really think the cow ask itself if he had a choice what way would he/she like to be killed?
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Killed the Christian way or the Halal way?
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Hamburgers made the Christian way of killing or the Muslim way of killing both are cruel.
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Become a Tibetan Buddhist they kill nothing, not even a gnat.
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What make anyone think they have the rights to kill something their God created.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39115 May 4, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Why then do people's have to get their morals from religion instead of directly from god when they are born ?
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Maybe the reason is: There is no God.
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Religions made God, the next best thing is to get you so called Morals from religions.
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Just read in the attached link how powerful God is.
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http://nakedlaw.avvo.com/celebrities/6-outrag...
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Islam is no better, you should make the effort of going to a few Middle eastern Countries, and you will see wealth beyond your comprehension and you will see Muslims begging for food, in the same country (Egypt is a very good example) or the neighbouring country.

“Free Screeech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#39116 May 4, 2013
MalbarCACA Controllers wrote:
<quoted text>
Who cares?
No MalbarCACA IMPOSTOR, IDENTITY & Post THIEVES, Ades Bender sock puppet jimdians Sindian, Schleimscheißers, syphilitic malbar,
gobbledegook Muzzie monkey chharchhobi ladygirl chickyladyrentboys Gallahs post or oink oink oink discussion will be tolerated.
GO AWAY.
You WILL !
MalbarCACA Controllers

UK

#39117 May 4, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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10101010101010!
No MalbarCACA IMPOSTOR, IDENTITY & Post THIEVES, Ades Rogered Bender sock puppet jimdians Sindian, Schleimscheißers, syphilitic malbar,
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DISAPPEAR.

“Free Screeech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#39118 May 4, 2013
Baron44 wrote:
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Maybe the reason is: There is no God.
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Religions made God, the next best thing is to get you so called Morals from religions.
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Just read in the attached link how powerful God is.
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http://nakedlaw.avvo.com/celebrities/6-outrag...
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Islam is no better, you should make the effort of going to a few Middle eastern Countries, and you will see wealth beyond your comprehension and you will see Muslims begging for food, in the same country (Egypt is a very good example) or the neighbouring country.
I have been to the Middle East and have seen as you say
MalbarCACA Controllers

UK

#39119 May 4, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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1010101010101010
We are not interested in your urinal tours.

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Since: Apr 13

Freiburg, Germany

#39120 May 4, 2013
MalbarCACA Controllers wrote:
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We are not interested in your urinal tours.
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Since: May 10

Australia

#39121 May 4, 2013
Mailbags Controllers wrote:
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You're the one who conducts those guided tours so passionately.
Are you still showing everyone your toilet bowl cleaning technique of immersing your Afro head and spinning around and around .
unbelievable

Baulkham Hills, Australia

#39122 May 4, 2013
Oh rubbish. YOu obviously have not studied history throughout the ages if you are saying that white races have killed more than all other religions combined.NIce highlight on your Muslim fantaticism and racism.

Just for starters:
* 40,000,000 Red China, 1949-76 (outright killing, manmade famine, Gulag)

* 4,000,000 Ethiopia, 1962-92: Communists, artificial hunger, genocides

* 3,900,000 Zaire (Congo-Kinshasa): 1967-68; 1977-78; 1992-95; 1998-present

* 2,800,000 Korean war, 1950-53

* 1,900,000 Sudan, 1955-72; 1983-2006 (civil wars, genocides)

* 1,970,000 Cambodia: Khmer Rouge 1975-79; civil war 1978-91

* 1,800,000 Vietnam War, 1954-75

* 1,800,000 Afghanistan: Soviet and internecine killings, Taliban 1980-2001

1* 1,450,000 West Pakistan massacres in East Pakistan (Bangladesh 1971)

1* 1,400,000 Nigeria, 1966-79 (Biafra); 1993-present

1* 1,100,000 Mozambique, 1964-70 (30,000)+ after retreat of Portugal 1976-92

*1,500,000 Iran-Iraq-War, 1980-88

*900,000 Rwanda genocide, 1994

15 875,000 Algeria: against France 1954-62 (675,000); between Islamists and the government 1991-2006 (200,000)

* 850,000 Uganda, 1971-79; 1981-85; 1994-present

* 650,000 Indonesia: Marxists 1965-66 (450,000); East Timor, Papua, Aceh etc, 1969-present (200,000)

* 580,000 Angola: war against Portugal 1961-72 (80,000); after Portugal’s retreat (1972-2002)

* 500,000 Brazil against its Indians, up to 1999

* 430,000 Vietnam, after the war ended in 1975 (own people; boat refugees)

* 400,000 Indochina: against France, 1945-54

* 400,000 Burundi, 1959-present (Tutsi/Hutu)

* 700,000 Somalia, 1991-present

* 700,000 North Korea up to present (own people)

* 350,000 Kurds in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, 1980s-1900,000 Iraq, 1970-2003 (Saddam against minorities)

* 190,000 Lebanon civil war, 1975-90

*90,000 Iran, 1978-79 (revolution)

*29,000 Jordan government vs. Palestinians, 1970-71 (Black September)

*20,000 Syria, 1982 (against Islamists in Hama)

* 70,000 Syrians dead and counting, present internal conflict.

---more lists, but I've run out of space and energy!

You don't even value your own blood though, so how can any sane person expect you to value anybody elses. Take westerners out of the equasion, you will still kill each other with regular montony, you have been responsible for more of your own deaths in this modern era than any western influence.
The usual muslim banging on about Drones killing (and yes, unfortunatley they sometimes kill innocent civilians) when your own murder rate makes the drones look tame.

NINETY PERCENT OF THE ELEVEN MILLION MUSLIMS WHO HAVE DIED SINCE 1948 HAS BEEN BY EACH OTHER'S MUSLIM HANDS!! Maybe you should CONVINCE OTHER MUSLIMS OF YOUR PEACEFUL RELIGION NOT US WESTERNERS! "

Again, this is merely an inconvenient truth to a rabid brainwashed type muslim.

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