Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46739 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Trucker

Australia

#39186 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Why do you not "Islamic solution" to "exponentially bring down the Crime rate" amongst Muslims living in your country.\
May be only Criminal Minded Muslims go to your country, thinking that it would a heaven for criminals, because its founding fathers were "all criminals"
You HAVE to accept all criminals and prisoners in your country. That is your basic ideology.
I do accept that each new group to arrive, will fall fowl of laws the have not grown up with. Many then learn from mistakes of others . I agree other groups including Vietnamese were over represented, forcing Police to have an Asian Crime Squad, much smaller than Muslims however. Asians are 40 iq points higher than Muslims . You don't really understand this from your armchair . You see, my neighbor was a sergeant on Asian crime squad and his brother inspector. Our children grew up together, all six same ages by pairs. I worked in probation and parole same time. Previously with La Familia or mini Mafiosa , my dad worked with them while attended school with their children. Every new group falls foul of law, but dumb as dogshit , just over represented for same crimes continually ! Slow learners by far, second only to Aboriginals who lived here all their lives but just give a fuk ! I hope you understand more now, but Australians fall fowl of overseas countries laws while on holidays as well , doing drugs, don't learn, also dumb as dogshit ! My front line to your armchair ! At least you are trying to reconcile complaints sensibly .
Trucker

Australia

#39187 May 7, 2013
Adhamh Shane wrote:
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It's hard to believe that anyone could be so ignorant but we have this stupid post as proof.
The success of Australia proves that people are limited only by their circumstances in life. The reason so many Muslims are desperate to live here is that Australians have created a better way of life, a more stable, free and wealthy society than any Islamic country has ever achieved.
You also should know that most Australians are descended from free settlers but that fact is obviously beyond your limited intellectual capacity.
maybe the brave and criminals have the balls to run the gauntlet and get in illegally ? That's not such bad attributes. Most Australian migrants are pioneers of their own race and country. My young friends mix as well with Asians as my generation did Italians, Greeks and others ! We embraced them, as each generation does, somehow ? I finished up having an Afghan family helping me with rehabilitation, I could not afford, four days a week, like I would expect from Christians more than atheists ! I am overwhelmed and have utmost respect for a very dark skinned Arab from Afganistan ! Never in my life, after Cronulla, would I have expected to even get this close to an Arab. I was seething after those filthy Muslims raided the streets of Sydney breaking shop fronts and assaulting people on a pilgrimage to the beach for a fight they could never win , unless media and politicians saved them from serious consequences. I very old, not very friendly and accept everyone till they lose my respect . No one has to earn my respect. It is given, they have to fuk up bad to lose it ! Like Lebs in Sydney.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#39188 May 7, 2013
Adhamh Shane wrote:
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Correction, there is a third solution to the problem. It's simple.
A halt to Muslim immigration would solve this particular problem.
A HALT would not solve the problem, there are already "enough Muslims" to foul up your entire country.

They have increased crime rate in your country by 1000 % or more. Before these Muslims came, No Australian even knew what is rape, murder, kidnapping, forgery, bank stick up, domestic violence and all similar violent crimes.

These sons and daughters of "ex-criminals had reformed and turned their country into a "virtual heaven" when all of sudden these Muslims swarmed and spoiled their nation.

Why stop at half measures? Chuck out these people and replace them with "Wooly lambs of Jews, fresh from Isreal", a healthy well fed nations that would be a pride of Australia and very soon Australia will become # 1 nation in every thing!!

Starting with Usury and racism of course!!
Trucker

Australia

#39189 May 7, 2013
Adhamh Shane wrote:
<quoted text>
Correction, there is a third solution to the problem. It's simple.
A halt to Muslim immigration would solve this particular problem.
27,000 entered illegally last 12 months, add that to immigration numbers and it is like Mexicans and the USA. More like Cubans coming by boat and anything they can float including motor vehicles. Gillard is determined to get the Muslim vote .
Trucker

Australia

#39190 May 7, 2013
Baron44 wrote:
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MUQ it shows you lack of education of the 23 million Australian less than .75% are from convict descendants.
Are you suggestion that the Imams, and the Arabs Muslims in Australia all ex criminals?
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MUQ you are such a big fool, and shows you lack of education, not to realise that Australia was build by Migrants from all over the world who had nothing to do with being a convict.
Nothing to do with the original 160,151 total convicts who were sent to Australia although they help build this nation.
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MUQ There is only One religion in the world which was started by a criminal!!
A child molester a Murderer, a rapist.
Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and thigh with Baby Aisha taking his penis and rubbing it up and down her thighs. Being a man of mercy he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.
Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine (texts can have been altered to change the age. Koranic texts claim he married her when she was six and he may have consummated the marriage then as well. Reason for this being that other indications in the Hadith shows that Mohammed was a pedophile). Advocated sex with baby girls.
Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman. Had sex with his dead aunt.
Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped. There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man. There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave. There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror. All such sexual acts are rape. RAPE IS RAPE.
Had eleven wives at one time. Sexually abused his wives. Raped his wives. Forced sex during their menstruation including Baby Aisha. Mentally abused his wives. Can you imagine taking a child (or any aged woman) and molesting with your hand/fist her menstruating vagina?
Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at one massacre. Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair.
Ordered the murder, torture, of non Muslim.
Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.
Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.
Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children.
Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.
Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.
No befriending Christians and Jews.
Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.
Married his daughter – in – law.
Approved prostitution.
Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.
Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.
Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror.
Advocated suicide attacks.
Executed apostates and homosexuals.
Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.
Honor killings of Muslim women and children.
Beat alcoholics. Lied.
Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.
Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.
Tortured a man out of greed.
Looted and plundered.
Preached hate for people of other religions.
Extorted money from other religions
Forced conversions to Islam
Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.
MUQ read all the crimes the Prophet Muhammad now do we have to believe that all Muslims are criminals?
Muslims grew up with this however and don't know any different, like horses and saddles, pigs and shit , dogs and fleas returning to their vomit .

Since: Dec 12

Sydney

#39191 May 7, 2013
Trucker wrote:
<quoted text>maybe the brave and criminals have the balls to run the gauntlet and get in illegally ? That's not such bad attributes. Most Australian migrants are pioneers of their own race and country. My young friends mix as well with Asians as my generation did Italians, Greeks and others ! We embraced them, as each generation does, somehow ? I finished up having an Afghan family helping me with rehabilitation, I could not afford, four days a week, like I would expect from Christians more than atheists ! I am overwhelmed and have utmost respect for a very dark skinned Arab from Afganistan ! Never in my life, after Cronulla, would I have expected to even get this close to an Arab. I was seething after those filthy Muslims raided the streets of Sydney breaking shop fronts and assaulting people on a pilgrimage to the beach for a fight they could never win , unless media and politicians saved them from serious consequences. I very old, not very friendly and accept everyone till they lose my respect . No one has to earn my respect. It is given, they have to fuk up bad to lose it ! Like Lebs in Sydney.
I also tend to judge people as individuals so we agree on most of the points you make but Muslims as a group cause trouble wherever they go - immigrant groups are judged by their troublemakers and Islam has far too many troublemakers who wish to import their ideology to western countries.

re boat people. I'm sure some are genuine refugees among them but most throw away their documentation before they arrive. IMO, any country who allows people into the community who haven't been thoroughly checked out is asking for trouble.
Trucker

Australia

#39192 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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There are two solution to your problems, choose the one which you "least like"!!
1. Punish any Muslim committing any crime in your country with "Islamic criminal justice system". That will bring the crime rate to near zero!!
2. Return all Muslims back to their countries, and take back all the Jews from Isreal to your country. That WILL make the criminal rate in both regions to zero.
There is no third solution which I can see.
Now the ball is in your court.
PS:
I like the second solution much better, because it will solve two problems with one stroke.
And Australia will jump to first position in world with so many High IQ Jews coming to their country and turning in into a "green country" from one end to another. As they did it in Israel.
bad post MUQ ! You mean Sharia Law which has failed in every Islamic country on he planet.! How does that discourage crime ? You mean all Muslims are criminals unless threat of sword or death ? All Muslims are Muslims for same reason as criminals ? You have not thought it through, every way you look at your solution is says muslims are criminals everywhere in the world but with Islam and sharia we can control them with death! That makes them worse and when we take them out of the gates of hell, they return to crime ? Their natural state of being Muslim without brutal murderous evil laws and punishments, inhuman conduct for a simple crime, mostly nuisances, is criminal society.

Then how can you compare these low iq Muslims to Jews who are 50 iq points higher , law abiding good citizens we not only support in our country, but any place on earth they may chose to go !

There is no comparison between these groups ! One is primitive 3rd world breaking laws in 1st world. The other first world , in first world, shining like stars.

Jews have always owned Israel . How old are huge Dead Sea scrolls ? Written in Hebrew ? 4,000 years ago ? In your book, copied from my book , it says same thing ! God gives Israel to Jews and even more land that they share at the moment. Like the foundations of temple Mount shared for time being. Maybe Hindus will take back Kaaba as well !

They are all Ali Babas are they MUQ? What other race invents a God, steals Religion from others and has criminals as their role models for a society ?

Since: Dec 12

Sydney

#39193 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
A HALT would not solve the problem, there are already "enough Muslims" to foul up your entire country.
They have increased crime rate in your country by 1000 % or more. Before these Muslims came, No Australian even knew what is rape, murder, kidnapping, forgery, bank stick up, domestic violence and all similar violent crimes.
These sons and daughters of "ex-criminals had reformed and turned their country into a "virtual heaven" when all of sudden these Muslims swarmed and spoiled their nation.
Why stop at half measures? Chuck out these people and replace them with "Wooly lambs of Jews, fresh from Isreal", a healthy well fed nations that would be a pride of Australia and very soon Australia will become # 1 nation in every thing!!
Starting with Usury and racism of course!!
Why don't you shut up about Israel and the Jews, I've never mentioned them so why do you continue with the Jew hate? It has no relevance to anything, least of all to Muslim criminality in Western countries - or did the big bad Jews force Muslims into 'honour' killings, acid throwing and rape? Is it the fault of the bad Jews that Muslims commit about 80% of the rapes in Oslo? Do Jews force Muslims to riot and burn property in France?

Yes Australia had criminals before Muslim immigration. So what? Does that justify importing more criminals? One thing we didn't have is violent brainwashed morons parading with signs threatening to behead anyone who 'disrespects' Islam.
Trucker

Australia

#39194 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
There are crimes and criminal minded people in every nation and amongst every groups.....
...But....
There is only One Country in the world which was started by ex-criminals!!
only one Religion in World started by criminal as well !
Trucker

Australia

#39195 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
I think what answer I gave to your "shorter post" suffice for this one also.
Why post a Long Reply, when the shorter one can do the job.!!
because my education was dumbed down and suffered from classes full of non English speaking immigrants. The price was worth it, I am alive and have no regrets !
Trucker

Australia

#39196 May 7, 2013
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canley_Vale_Hi...

The Fairfield area is the bottom of barrel, so it was best amongst worst and I was there day one when it opened.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#39197 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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A HALT would not solve the problem, there are already "enough Muslims" to foul up your entire country.
They have increased crime rate in your country by 1000 % or more. Before these Muslims came, No Australian even knew what is rape, murder, kidnapping, forgery, bank stick up, domestic violence and all similar violent crimes.
These sons and daughters of "ex-criminals had reformed and turned their country into a "virtual heaven" when all of sudden these Muslims swarmed and spoiled their nation.
Why stop at half measures? Chuck out these people and replace them with "Wooly lambs of Jews, fresh from Isreal", a healthy well fed nations that would be a pride of Australia and very soon Australia will become # 1 nation in every thing!!
Starting with Usury and racism of course!!
We are already starting on your suggestion, by Castrating all Male Muslims man living in Australia after 2037 and spay every Muslim woman living in Australia, these laws are already in the books of the Political parties who govern Australia.
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The Jews are doing a good job keeping you Muslims under control.
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We will leave the Jews there to keep you Muslims under control.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#39199 May 7, 2013
Trucker wrote:
<quoted text> bad post MUQ ! You mean Sharia Law which has failed in every Islamic country on he planet.! How does that discourage crime ? You mean all Muslims are criminals unless threat of sword or death ? All Muslims are Muslims for same reason as criminals ? You have not thought it through, every way you look at your solution is says muslims are criminals everywhere in the world but with Islam and sharia we can control them with death! That makes them worse and when we take them out of the gates of hell, they return to crime ? Their natural state of being Muslim without brutal murderous evil laws and punishments, inhuman conduct for a simple crime, mostly nuisances, is criminal society.
Then how can you compare these low iq Muslims to Jews who are 50 iq points higher , law abiding good citizens we not only support in our country, but any place on earth they may chose to go !
There is no comparison between these groups ! One is primitive 3rd world breaking laws in 1st world. The other first world , in first world, shining like stars.
Jews have always owned Israel . How old are huge Dead Sea scrolls ? Written in Hebrew ? 4,000 years ago ? In your book, copied from my book , it says same thing ! God gives Israel to Jews and even more land that they share at the moment. Like the foundations of temple Mount shared for time being. Maybe Hindus will take back Kaaba as well !
They are all Ali Babas are they MUQ? What other race invents a God, steals Religion from others and has criminals as their role models for a society ?
Try it, it MIGHT work in Australia!!

Why you discard it without trying it?

Democracy works so well in Western countries but is a total failure in every Muslim country.

So do not be biased and implement it. It will surely solve the Muslim crime problem!!
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#39200 May 7, 2013
Adhamh Shane wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you shut up about Israel and the Jews, I've never mentioned them so why do you continue with the Jew hate? It has no relevance to anything, least of all to Muslim criminality in Western countries - or did the big bad Jews force Muslims into 'honour' killings, acid throwing and rape? Is it the fault of the bad Jews that Muslims commit about 80% of the rapes in Oslo? Do Jews force Muslims to riot and burn property in France?
Yes Australia had criminals before Muslim immigration. So what? Does that justify importing more criminals? One thing we didn't have is violent brainwashed morons parading with signs threatening to behead anyone who 'disrespects' Islam.
Why are you stricken?

Why should I care you mentioned Isreal and Jews or not, I am giving you a "practical solution" and you should take it with both hands if you are sincere to solve your problems.

Why should you worry how dumb is Islam, right now you should concentrate on your increasing crime rate and how to bring it down.

We will discuss about Islam later on!!
Godless Goodness

Delhi, India

#39201 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Intellect and love are not the "Source of Morality" but to choose what to do.
"Choose what to do" is what morality is, the choice being between right and wrong. You say intellect and love are not sources of morality and then you go and disprove yourself by ascribing the sources to morality, just expressed in other words! Your sentence is like saying "light does not exist but there is that thing that is bright to our eyes and lets us see other things"!

Definitions of Morality-
1. Concern with the distinction between good and evil or right and wrong; right or good conduct FOR AN INDIVIDUAL IN SOCIETY
2. Motivation for actions and behavior for an individual in society based on ideas of right and wrong

Morality is the ability to discern between right and wrong, good and bad (for individual and society), and then one has to choose to do the right thing, else what is the point of it all?

(The words for "individual and society" is most essential. If individual and society do not exist, morality right and wrong, good or bad, such concepts will have no meaning).

So yes morality is the ability to distinguish AND choose between right and wrong. The reason we must make that choice is OUR OWN WELL BEING (maximize PEACE, thoughtfulness cooperation ie PROGRESS, and HAPPINESS). Its SOURCES are 1. LOVE (that makes us want the well being of others), 2. INTELLECT (ability to rationalize, think). We use this ability to understand the simple logical follow through how good behavior eventually results in our own well being in the long run much more than what short term bad behavior might gain us (like robbing a neighbor).

Also please note- knowledge of god has to be drilled into an individual, NOBODY is born with knowledge of god. But EVERYBODY IS BORN WITH ABILITY TO LOVE AND THINK (INTELLECT). Theists have them just as well as non theists. How much you use these abilities is another thing.
02. If Intellect and Love are the "source of morality" why so many "master Criminals" are so clever and so much knowledgeable?
Intellect is the ability to reason, think, understand.

If one did not turn their intellect on the subject of morality and rational civics (Dharma) and why they are good for us ie. in our interest, then they will have neither understanding nor motivation to choose right over wrong.

Intellect allows us to think and understand a lot of things. Intellect can be used to understand Physics, but understanding of Physics will not help much for one to be a doctor and understanding Biology will not help one be an Engineer. Knowledge of Physics is needed to be a Physicist. To eat healthy you need to know about food -proteins carbs fats vitamins etc.

TO be a RATIONAL CIVILIZED person (good person) you need to understand the subject of CIVICS or the principles and logics behind GOODNESS, why it is required, and how it is good for us in the long run , using your intellect.
Godless Goodness

Delhi, India

#39202 May 7, 2013
@MUQ

Also note-

1. When you say that morality has only one source which is fear of god, then your morality does not survive in a godless society. A theist that loses his faith, or simply comes across new knowledge that convinces him that there is no god, he then ALSO LOSES HIS MORALITY. Which is why crime is rising in the west as many people are becoming atheists out of disillusionment from christianity and not because they have rationalized it based on sound logic or evidence. Realizing there is no god does not help in understanding the reasons and logic behind morality and that being good is linked to well being and better life. They are not logically related at all. Like realizing there are no tooth fairies doesn't make you a doctor.

2. In a system where morals are linked to the idea that good behavior will be rewarded after death (as entry to heaven, 72 virgins whatever), and NOT LINKED TO PERSONAL AND SOCIETAL WELL BEING IN LIFE:- then such people continue to follow the rigid religious code told to them even when they can see all around them that the codes are failing, and resulting in a violent regressive society with much unhappiness. Cause the after death reward is more important to them than well being in life.

Lots of LOVE and GOOD LOGIC be upon you and all others too.
Trucker

Australia

#39204 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Try it, it MIGHT work in Australia!!
Why you discard it without trying it?
Democracy works so well in Western countries but is a total failure in every Muslim country.
So do not be biased and implement it. It will surely solve the Muslim crime problem!!
it is a primitive and backward law from a primitive and backward people, we have moved on since dark ages ! we don't even burn witches these days! why set our society back 1500 years ? You really don't have a clue !

Democracy did not work in the monkey cage at the zoo either , the most determined and willing to inflict most harm and pain always quietens down group, they even suffer atrocities like Muslims do also to survive . Then those monkeys and Muslims do atrocities to each other down the line of most sick to smartest at bottom of tree.
Trucker

Australia

#39205 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Try it, it MIGHT work in Australia!!
Why you discard it without trying it?
Democracy works so well in Western countries but is a total failure in every Muslim country.
So do not be biased and implement it. It will surely solve the Muslim crime problem!!
this sounds like angry child syndrome , when they can't play fair or play with others nicely, child throws tantrum . Others not guilty ! They play well with everyone and all embrace them ! Angry child gets do frustrated they harm themselves and whole family first, because those people live with them and others stay safe in their own he.

Don't worry about what goes on in someone else's house , you just torture your mind ! Worry about your own house first and the love appears to be gone ! Like angry child ! It is a waist for others to offer love to angry child, angry child must learn to love self first. Muslims hate Muslims , more Muslims kill Muslims than any other people in history of planet . Don't worry about Jews , you are beneath them, don't think about their house , worry about your own. Eventually "others intervene" angry child gets kicked out in cold, punished, even thrown into the desert to die. We only put up with so much ! Enough is enough ! Do Muslims feel like they are being picked on ! First thing others do is intervene for education purposes ! sound familiar ? Second they enter bad house breeding angry child . Authorities remove angry child or house ruler ! sound familiar ? Later they give angry child label so no one makes mistake of playing with angry child ! Feeling that ? Then don't let angry child keep harming others ! sound familiar ! Last resort is adopt angry child to good home and good people ! hhmmm ! Then tear down house of angry children everywhere . We re educate them enough to at least understand consequences of their own actions, otherwise they just feel persecuted because they are low iq monkeys . Behavior modifications by the only language they understand "violence", there own religion and law has brainwashed them with causing their plight and keeping them dumb and down. We just keep on helping and liberating till they all been healed or saved ! That's what we do ! All you do is blow stuff up and kill, not playing well with others who will have to rule you to modify your satanic ways. The good always prevail in the informed society. This is the era of the information highway and informed society, your dark ages are coming to an end. Look forward to a bright new future like Iraq and the Arab spring is well under way ! Peace brothers !
MUQ taqiyya

East Maitland, Australia

#39206 May 7, 2013
Are Shia and related Alawites = Muslim ?
The Sunni's say they are not.
They say the Shia and Alawites are heretics.
Today in Sryia the civil war within Islam flares.
The Shia & the Alawites fight the Sunni.
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Are Rohingya (Burmese) Muslim ?

The Sunni and Shia say they are not.
Today both the Buddhist & Sunni conspire to kill the Rohingya. The Rohingya flee to the safe haven of non Islamic countries.
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Are Hazara (Mongol) Muslim ?
Today the Sunni conspire to kill the Hazara.
The Hazara flee to the safe haven of non Islamic countries.
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Are Indian Sunni = Muslim ?
The Arab Sunni say they are not really. They rule that non Arab Sunni 'do not go' to the same heaven as Arab Sunni. Muslim heaven has segregated quarters it seems.

This is the real face of Islam.
Riven with heresy, intolerance, and godless.
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=> What say you MUQ as response to the facts?
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#39207 May 7, 2013
Trucker wrote:
<quoted text>this sounds like angry child syndrome , when they can't play fair or play with others nicely, child throws tantrum . Others not guilty ! They play well with everyone and all embrace them ! Angry child gets do frustrated they harm themselves and whole family first, because those people live with them and others stay safe in their own he.
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Why should you care if it is a primitive law or not. Are you interested in solving your problem or not?

I gave you the prescription and you do not want to take it, how you will be cured, how your society will be cured?

You want to simmer in your own juices, continue to do so!!

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