Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.
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Understood in these terms, it becomes apparent that far from a “failure”, the government’s disinformation campaign designed to manufacture consent for war was a resounding success. The narrative of an “intelligence failure” attempts to pin responsibility on analysts within the intelligence community rather than on senior administration officials such as President George W. Bush, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and Secretary of State Colin Powell. It attempts to shift the blame for the lies of senior policymakers onto analysts who supposedly didn’t do their jobs correctly. But the truth of the matter is that analysts who did do their job were sidelined and silenced, while assessments from analysts like “Joe” who dishonestly touted the official line were stovepiped to policymakers in “intelligence” products containing judgments completely unsupported by the available evidence.
The narrative of “intelligence failure” attempts to obfuscate the truth of the matter, which is that senior government officials repeatedly lied and willfully deceived the public by making claims unsupported by evidence and by deliberately withholding any information that contradicted their allegations. Seen in this light, it becomes evident that the recently released CIA document is anything but a “mea culpa”. It is, on the contrary, just more of the same.
Jeremy R. Hammond is an independent political analyst and editor of Foreign Policy Journal, an online source for news, critical analysis, and opinion commentary on U.S. foreign policy. He was among the recipients of the 2010 Project Censored Awards for outstanding investigative journalism. foreignpolicyjournal.com
you really can't separate state and religion can you ? You really can't separate governments from churches ? Western governments are not all Christians or white people! Our Governments represent over 150 races of people from hundreds of countries, and all different Religions, more than you can think of in your tiny Muslim retarded school books. In Australia the white people you despise are mixed with a hundred other cultures, mind boggling to Muslims whose countries have just one religion and one race of people. There is no evil white culture, there is no Christian monopoly like Islam in retarded Islamic countries.

There are only people with all couloirs and all religions who have reached a consensus, Muslims don't know how to live amongst other races in any country anywhere in the world . There is not one race in Australia for a Muslim to hold a knife to their throat to convert to Islam , there are hundreds of different races ! Then these have mixed, so all Australians unite to form a government which fairly represents all the citizens and no have preference over another ! which only Islam strives to have preference, we the people resoundingly deny your request. We see you as dull, of low iq, do not mix well with others because you are bound by ignorance and bad inbred blood which ensures retardation like Darwin's family . We even have atheists well represented in government to ensure religions can not be given preferential treatment above another, atheists are aligned with none and have no time or alliance with any!

Just , sigh ! Poor mussies got no advantage from no where in " other countries ", only the retarded shit holes they fled from like sewer rats deserting sinking ship.
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Many Muslims today are not happy!

They're not happy in Gaza .
They're not happy in Egypt .
They're not happy in Libya .
They're not happy in Morocco .
They're not happy in Iran .
They're not happy in Iraq .
They're not happy in Yemen .
They're not happy in Afghanistan .
They're not happy in Pakistan .
They're not happy in Syria .
They're not happy in Lebanon .

So, where are they happy?

They're happy in Australia .
They're happy in the UK .
They're happy in Canada.
They're happy in the US .
They're happy in France .
They're happy in Germany .
They're happy in Italy .
They're happy in Sweden .
They're happy in Denmark .
They're happy in Norway .
So……They're happy in every country that is not Muslim.

And who do they blame?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!
AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THEM TO BE LIKE THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY.

Excuse me, but have I missed something here..........
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CIA Lies About Lies
The Iraq War and the Persistent Myth of ‘Intelligence Failure’
By Jeremy R. Hammond (Contd.)
Returning to Powell’s claims that Iraq had “mobile production facilities used to make biological agents”, this allegation came from a single source, code-named “Curveball”, whom the CIA had never actually interviewed. The CIA had rather relied on German reporting, which had come complete with warnings that he was a drunk and that his claims couldn’t be corroborated. On May 30, 2003, several months after the invasion of Iraq, Bush declared that U.S. forces had “found the weapons of mass destruction”. They had “found biological laboratories”, he lied.“Remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons?”
He answered his own question,“[W]e’ve so far discovered two”, adding that “we’ll find more weapons as time goes on”. He then made a vain attempt to belittle his critics by saying,“But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong. We found them.” Inconveniently for the administration, a British team investigated the trailers and concluded that nothing of the sort had been found. One biological weapons expert told The Observer,“They are not mobile germ warfare laboratories. You could not use them for making biological weapons. They do not even look like them. They are exactly what the Iraqis said they were—facilities for the production of hydrogen gas to fill balloons.” As it turned out, it was the U.K. that had sold the system, known as an Artillery Meteorological System, or “Amets”, to Iraq in 1987.
The nature of the U.S. case for war was aptly summarized in ”, which observed:“Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.”
Conclusion
The narrative that there was an “intelligence failure” leading up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq on March 19, 2003 cannot withstand the slightest scrutiny. The simple fact of the matter is that there was no evidence that Iraq still possessed WMD. The fact of the matter is that top experts in their respective fields within the U.S. intelligence community had correctly assessed that Iraq did not have WMD or ongoing WMD programs. The CIA’s judgments to the contrary were not the result of a “failure” within the intelligence community to correctly analyze and assess the evidence, but of a systematic effort to control information in order to limit “dissent” and stovepipe products to administration officials that would support the government’s official policy of regime change. In other words, the policy was not based on the intelligence, but the CIA’s intelligence products were rather based on the policy.
whats your point . It was western taqiyya , which the west mailed back to you ! It is over, no one cares ! The end justified the means ! Everybody is happy now ! Don't you get it ? Get an education , this is just bread and butter for people under our governments which have no favorites , as I told you have concensus amongst all the races they represent. White Christians did not do this ! Jews did not do this ! It was representatives , in fact citizens of all those countries represented in western society ! Hundreds of races got together and agreed on hhis action for many different reasons, many objected but it took a majority opinion for this plan to have succeeded ! What your records show is just gobboly gook ! A job which had to be done for public record which is far removed from actual events.

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Trucker wrote:
Many Muslims today are not happy!
They're not happy in Gaza .
They're not happy in Egypt .
They're not happy in Libya .
They're not happy in Morocco .
They're not happy in Iran .
They're not happy in Iraq .
They're not happy in Yemen .
They're not happy in Afghanistan .
They're not happy in Pakistan .
They're not happy in Syria .
They're not happy in Lebanon .
So, where are they happy?
They're happy in Australia .
They're happy in the UK .
They're happy in Canada.
They're happy in the US .
They're happy in France .
They're happy in Germany .
They're happy in Italy .
They're happy in Sweden .
They're happy in Denmark .
They're happy in Norway .
So……They're happy in every country that is not Muslim.
And who do they blame?
Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!
AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THEM TO BE LIKE THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY.
Excuse me, but have I missed something here..........
Nailed it.
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<quoted text>smell your fingers ! Wait you are used to smell of shit. Ask someone to carefully stand back and smell the air around your fingers ! That smell is faeces, human waste, bacteria that kills millions in the third world every year but many are immune, like you. When you learn to put a barrier between your anus and your food and utensils you share with others, talk to me. Try paper, a leaf or bark from a paper bark tree found around wet lands. Tea tree has paper bark, maybe a Honda full of dirt or sand. Until you can get control over your spreading of human waste around public areas, nurseries , children, cafeterias, public transport, work places, kitchens, shop counters and everywhere 1 st world keep " faeces free zones" you can eat off our floors and no shit, we can't even eat in the same suburbs as you and not get infected. Before you try to run countries try simple things like "hygiene" simple hygiene! Then first world can save billions shipping medical supplies to your filthy cess pit countries. You should just fall at the feet of a westerner and kiss their shoes, without their charity, you would not even be here, maybe not even alive without their aid to your ancestors and their benevolence to your ancestors. Get your shit together and put it in a hole or sewer, don't push it down the shower hole, with your foot, that is not going to be treated and will polute creeks and rivers as well as local waterways ! You know like rivers of sewer that flow down third world streets, gutters and footpaths. When you learn to shit hygienically, dispose of that waste hygienically , and not spread it to every man, woman, baby and person infecting th with disease , 1st world have to treat you for to save millions http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterborne_dis... typhoid, the plague, everything your shithole countries have and live with which we treat to prevent you traveling here and spreading it all over plane seats to taxis to hotel rooms to shops and eating places. This is why " white flight" and plumbers closed down and moved out of 3rd world suburbs, 50mm water waste pipes trying to deal with shit supposed to be transported by 100mm sewer pipes to treatment plants. Plumbers sound found immigrants shitting in bath tubs ( nice guys bath in shit) shower plug holes and sinks! These guys life work was their business and everything invested there! To pack up and walk away through fear of bringing disease home from these people from these misuses of drains, is a mighty statement ! Give up their life's work and life's business because of vermin from ME shitholes.
When you learn these things, come back and I'll explain the other things you did not understand in the adults posts.
A useless long Bark for a very short question, LLOL,LLOL, so you are a slum-dog after all, I'd touched a raw nerve I knew it,
From Bombay I presume since you have such intimate knowledge about shit abd smell, LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,LLOL,LLOL, cant forget the smell of home huh, gotchya slum-dog

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAh-Ahhhhhhh hh-HAhahahahahahahahahahahahah
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<quoted text> all 3rd world cess pits today that Muslims flee like rats from a burning ship. Arab Spring , sweeping them clean ?
Not much changed since 1899 either !
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
Here slumdog your 1st worlds future, tooooo many slumdogs dumping turd.... Ahhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahah

We Wish

By James Howard Kunstler
on April 29, 2013 9:07 AM

Wishful thinking now runs so thick and deep across the USA that our hopes for a credible future are being drowned in a tidal wave of yellow smiley-face stories recklessly issued by institutions that ought to know better. A case in point is the Charles C. Mann's tragically dumb cover story in the current Atlantic magazine -- "WE WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF OIL" *-- setting out in great detail the entire panoply of techno-narcissistic "solutions" to our energy predicament. Another case in point was senior financial writer Joe Nocera's moronic op-ed in last week's New York Times beating the drum for American "energy independence."

You could call these two examples mendacious if it weren't so predictable that a desperate society would do everything possible to defend its sunk costs, including the making up of fairy tales to justify its wishes. Instead, they're merely tragic because the zeitgeist now requires once-honorable forums of a free press to indulge in self-esteem building rather than truth-telling. It also represents a culmination of the political correctness disease that has terminally disabled the professional thinking class for the last three decades, since this feel-good propaganda comes from the supposedly progressive organs of the media -- and, of course, the cornucopian view has been a staple of the idiot right wing media forever. We have become a nation incapable of thinking, or at least of constructing a consensus that jibes with reality.

In not a very few years, the American public will be so disappointed and demoralized by broken promises like these that they will turn the nation upside down and inside out, probably with violence and bloodshed.
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Did you understand anything slum-dogs and convicts....LLOL
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Here slumdog your 1st worlds future, tooooo many slumdogs dumping turd.... Ahhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahah
We Wish
By James Howard Kunstler
on April 29, 2013 9:07 AM
Wishful thinking now runs so thick and deep across the USA that our hopes for a credible future are being drowned in a tidal wave of yellow smiley-face stories recklessly issued by institutions that ought to know better. A case in point is the Charles C. Mann's tragically dumb cover story in the current Atlantic magazine -- "WE WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF OIL" *-- setting out in great detail the entire panoply of techno-narcissistic "solutions" to our energy predicament. Another case in point was senior financial writer Joe Nocera's moronic op-ed in last week's New York Times beating the drum for American "energy independence."
You could call these two examples mendacious if it weren't so predictable that a desperate society would do everything possible to defend its sunk costs, including the making up of fairy tales to justify its wishes. Instead, they're merely tragic because the zeitgeist now requires once-honorable forums of a free press to indulge in self-esteem building rather than truth-telling. It also represents a culmination of the political correctness disease that has terminally disabled the professional thinking class for the last three decades, since this feel-good propaganda comes from the supposedly progressive organs of the media -- and, of course, the cornucopian view has been a staple of the idiot right wing media forever. We have become a nation incapable of thinking, or at least of constructing a consensus that jibes with reality.
In not a very few years, the American public will be so disappointed and demoralized by broken promises like these that they will turn the nation upside down and inside out, probably with violence and bloodshed.
oh you are another low iq retard whose mum and dad were brother and sister , probably from Bombay . Only someone with a sewer through the middle of his one room family home could identify with the post and only an idiot quotes the likes of Kunstler. Maybe you are also a David Ike's fan ? You got your education from a white man who built a school or university in your retarded country so that you could produce something for your country and we could trade with you so you can feed yourself and not rely on charity from the west.
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My poor boys, my poor boys, all they did was kill a few children in Boston.

Big deal, what about my poor boys.

America take my poor boys.

I am the mother of the Boston bombers, my poor boys.

ISLUM SLUM Islam Please save my Last poor boy.

He did what he did in the name of Islam.

My poor boys never did no wrong.

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Or by air ?
The Quran and Hadeeth script tell of many flying carpet trips to see the Syrian Hori's and other islamic pursuits. And of course Mo's night journeys on a winged camel & his final flyover ascension as a Jew over the Jewish rock of Abraham - showed Islam had invented and routinely used air travel.
The Ethiopians of course will claim they were never invaded or conquered by Islam.
Their post at the church of the holy sepelchure in jerusalem has the claim they kept the Christian flame alive in Africa, where it now re-conquers Islam.
Nubia maybe as part of egypt then.
But Islam never took Ethiopia.
Islam never conquered anything in reality.
Islam shifter to syria. The syria governor was the ruler of the ex roman colonies in the region from turkey to libya. With the collapse of the south and
east roman empires, Islam was imposed in lieu
as a primitive tax & tribute mechanism.
No Egyptian or Nubian or Libyan ever fought a
battle against Islamic warriors... It became a backup local taxation alternative, like say emergency lighting during a power cut.
Islam enslaved these people top down thru the remnant control structures of the imploded roman empire. Similar with the Gauls, Nornans, franks, Huns to the north. The pagan tribes filled the vacuum of civilization until it could return.
Islam then collapsed itself with 3 major civil wars.
But the Mongols who invaded and had an empire thar stretched from china to Malaysia, across to austria and down to Syria, the mongols also needed a taxation & tribute system. Khan II forced every subject, two thirds of all humans, and all of india as a slave colony to be Islamic.
Not because they believed in it. But because the Mongols liked the violence, tryanny & money (jizya) that Islam collected.
So as you see: the Islamic virus filled a roman empire collapse (via the ex roman Syrian governor who controlled that entire region), then via the Mongols for the rest.
All top down.
Imposed relgion, tax, tribute & slavery.
No Indian, Egyptian, Libyan, Tunisian, Albanian, Malaysian, Indonesian, or any other 'slave' of Islam ever had any choice in it.
Unbelievers paid jizya or unbeliever tax.
People converted to avoid the tax. If they converted they got the job to collect the tax.
All Indian muslims were in fact quisling scum of the mughals that oppressed the Hindu and collected tax off them.
That is how Islam works and spreads.
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No battles were fought to spread Islam.
It was imposed long after the battles were
fought and the empires won. No Arab with desert sand in his sandals & a Quran in his hand strode along a beach in Malaysia or Libya 'converting' the pagans to Allah.
The governer Syria or later the Khanate decided what they would believe in as part of already established empires.
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MUQ has no idea about facts or recorded history.
Gosh, I forgot all about the flying carpets .
Thankyou for enlightening me .
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I think Churchill said it all in 1899 ! Muslims have not changed since then.
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Oh ! Every one else on the planet has changed ! We know all their scumbag tricks and bullshit plus we have the evidence the Quran was copied from books of Jews and Christians ! This information comes from archeological evidence, scientific evidence, and the fact all the characters were in the bible and Torah , 5,000 years and 600 years earlier ! Yet they are so behind the world they fled to, they still think we are as stupid as their cousins and siblings they married.
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Trucker wrote:
I think Churchill said it all in 1899 ! Muslims have not changed since then.
But did you understand anything Mr. Bombay slum dog? LLOL,LLOL,LLOL

is the nerve where I hit hurting? LLOL, I have a habit of exposing weak minded turds like you Hahahahahahahahahahah
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Press TV correspondent in Australia, Edwina Storie, is taking legal action against Australian blogger, Andrew Landeryou for posting private photos of her in his blog Vex News.

Australian law firm Roderick Storie Solicitors said it was “instructing independent solicitors in relation to defamation proceedings against” the blog and its owner.

Press TV’s Public Relations Department said in a statement that Vex News has targeted Edwina Storie for a “change in her lifestyle, intellectual transformation and, above all, making anti-Zionist reports” in a bid to take revenge against Iran’s 24-hour English-language channel.

“The enmity of Western media and countries with Press TV due to its divulgation of actions committed by Western imperialism and global Zionism is not hidden from anyone,” the statement said, adding that satellite providers regularly pull the plug on Press TV in order to keep this channel from delivering its message to its audiences around the globe.

On April 20, Storie reported about extensive student activities in Australia for the boycott of Israel. In her report, she reflected the boycott of the Zionist regime in Australia’s academic circles including the University of Sydney Students’ Representative Council (SRC).

She said her private photos, taken seven years ago when she was active in modeling, have been sold to websites without her consent in order to launch an “attack against Press TV.”

Storie noted that Vex News posted the photos to defame her in retaliation for her anti-Zionist report aired at a time that Australia’s online community is sensitive to negative reports about Israel.

She said she regretted having appeared in those photos, saying she tried in vain for years to have the photos removed.

Storie added that Vex News has used unrealistic and very insulting descriptions about her, adding that Landeryou is implicated in a financial transaction scandal.

Similar actions have already been undertaken by media close to Zionist circles against Press TV contributors.

In recent months, Eutelsat’s Israeli-French CEO Michel de Rosen has stepped up his restrictive campaign by appealing to major satellite providers in Europe and Asia to silence Iranian media.

The campaign has revealed the true face of the West, which preaches respect for human rights and free speech but practices the opposite.

KA/HGH/SS
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Oh ! Every one else on the planet has changed ! We know all their scumbag tricks and bullshit plus we have the evidence the Quran was copied from books of Jews and Christians ! This information comes from archeological evidence, scientific evidence, and the fact all the characters were in the bible and Torah , 5,000 years and 600 years earlier ! Yet they are so behind the world they fled to, they still think we are as stupid as their cousins and siblings they married.
What has changed since 1899? Have Sun and Moon changed their orbit?

Has earth stopped rotating around the sun? Do not humans are born and die as was then?

Why the criterion for Morality should change with time? Basic rules of right and wrong must not change with time.

Some flexibility should be available to "fine tune" these with the changing conditions.

Islam has that flexibility and can move with time. There is no issue for which Islam does not has a solution.

So why should it change? Change is a sign of "Imperfection", while Islam was made complete 1400 years back!!

People asking Muslims to change have "Inferiority Complex".....they say while we changed, why do you not also change?

They changed because their religion had no answer to the problems, why should we copy them blindly?
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What has changed since 1899? Have Sun and Moon changed their orbit?
Has earth stopped rotating around the sun? Do not humans are born and die as was then?
Why the criterion for Morality should change with time? Basic rules of right and wrong must not change with time.
Some flexibility should be available to "fine tune" these with the changing conditions.
Islam has that flexibility and can move with time. There is no issue for which Islam does not has a solution.
So why should it change? Change is a sign of "Imperfection", while Islam was made complete 1400 years back!!
People asking Muslims to change have "Inferiority Complex".....they say while we changed, why do you not also change?
They changed because their religion had no answer to the problems, why should we copy them blindly?
nice response MUQ, exactly what we would expect from you ! What about oil wells in the Middle East ? Have they changed ?

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<quoted text> nice response MUQ, exactly what we would expect from you ! What about oil wells in the Middle East ? Have they changed ?
Very good point made ,wealth has transformed a tent community into a palace.
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Who cares?

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<quoted text> nice response MUQ, exactly what we would expect from you ! What about oil wells in the Middle East ? Have they changed ?
But did you understand anything Mr. Bombay slum dog? LLOL,LLOL,LLOL

is the nerve where I hit hurting? LLOL, I have a habit of exposing weak minded turds like you Hahahahahahahahahahah
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MUQ wrote:
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What has changed since 1899? Have Sun and Moon changed their orbit?
Has earth stopped rotating around the sun? Do not humans are born and die as was then?
Why the criterion for Morality should change with time? Basic rules of right and wrong must not change with time.
Some flexibility should be available to "fine tune" these with the changing conditions.
Islam has that flexibility and can move with time. There is no issue for which Islam does not has a solution.
So why should it change? Change is a sign of "Imperfection", while Islam was made complete 1400 years back!!
People asking Muslims to change have "Inferiority Complex".....they say while we changed, why do you not also change?
They changed because their religion had no answer to the problems, why should we copy them blindly?
Sun changes position every day, as does the moon, and their inclination changes over the months as the seasons change. And the orbits change too slightly but surely over the centuries. Our position in the galaxy changes, and in the universe. Every thing that is material, has changed, is changing and will change, and that is the nature of nature.

You too have changed, once a fetus, then born, grown into youth, then older, grey hair then death- cant keep change away from even yourself.

Any law that fails to recognize that is flawed, and at best for the short term efficacy only.

Perfection is just only a human IDEA, flawed, and has no meaning in the reality of our universe. What exists simply exists. Seeing any part of existence as perfect or imperfect is thus just an unnecessary decision taken by an observer. The idea of Perfection is just a silly egotist's fancy.

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Any set of Laws (rules) ever made for society must have a goal they set out to achieve. If they do not achieve the goals, then the makers of the laws must realize the laws were inadequate. Reasons need to be analyzed. The goals themselves can be wrong. Or the makers did not understand the nature of the living beings for whom the laws were made.

If a set of laws were supposed to make its followers happy progressive and peaceful, but the people following the laws have had pathetic unhappy violent lives, for what ever reason, then those laws clearly have failed. Those laws did not preemptively take into account one or more reasons for their failure. What ever the goals of those laws, agree with them or not, if the goals were not achieved, the makers of any such laws were lacking,..in foresight, in knowledge of the target beings on whom the laws were applied, their nature, their abilities, and their desires. Or they lacked sufficient intelligence.

Such laws were clearly inadequate, and FAR FROM ANY IDEA OF PERFECTION.

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