Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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#39029 Apr 30, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>There is only two Muslim majority countries that are becoming great power and that is Indonesia and Turkey .
For what reason if only to be made a target for their own actions.
Islamic tales

Australia

#39030 Apr 30, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
How did the Army arrive at Ethiopia ?
By land or by sea ?
Or by air ?
The Quran and Hadeeth script tell of many flying carpet trips to see the Syrian Hori's and other islamic pursuits. And of course Mo's night journeys on a winged camel & his final flyover ascension as a Jew over the Jewish rock of Abraham - showed Islam had invented and routinely used air travel.
The Ethiopians of course will claim they were never invaded or conquered by Islam.
Their post at the church of the holy sepelchure in jerusalem has the claim they kept the Christian flame alive in Africa, where it now re-conquers Islam.
Nubia maybe as part of egypt then.
But Islam never took Ethiopia.
Islam never conquered anything in reality.
Islam shifter to syria. The syria governor was the ruler of the ex roman colonies in the region from turkey to libya. With the collapse of the south and
east roman empires, Islam was imposed in lieu
as a primitive tax & tribute mechanism.
No Egyptian or Nubian or Libyan ever fought a
battle against Islamic warriors... It became a backup local taxation alternative, like say emergency lighting during a power cut.
Islam enslaved these people top down thru the remnant control structures of the imploded roman empire. Similar with the Gauls, Nornans, franks, Huns to the north. The pagan tribes filled the vacuum of civilization until it could return.
Islam then collapsed itself with 3 major civil wars.
But the Mongols who invaded and had an empire thar stretched from china to Malaysia, across to austria and down to Syria, the mongols also needed a taxation & tribute system. Khan II forced every subject, two thirds of all humans, and all of india as a slave colony to be Islamic.
Not because they believed in it. But because the Mongols liked the violence, tryanny & money (jizya) that Islam collected.

So as you see: the Islamic virus filled a roman empire collapse (via the ex roman Syrian governor who controlled that entire region), then via the Mongols for the rest.
All top down.
Imposed relgion, tax, tribute & slavery.
No Indian, Egyptian, Libyan, Tunisian, Albanian, Malaysian, Indonesian, or any other 'slave' of Islam ever had any choice in it.
Unbelievers paid jizya or unbeliever tax.
People converted to avoid the tax. If they converted they got the job to collect the tax.
All Indian muslims were in fact quisling scum of the mughals that oppressed the Hindu and collected tax off them.
That is how Islam works and spreads.
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No battles were fought to spread Islam.
It was imposed long after the battles were
fought and the empires won. No Arab with desert sand in his sandals & a Quran in his hand strode along a beach in Malaysia or Libya 'converting' the pagans to Allah.
The governer Syria or later the Khanate decided what they would believe in as part of already established empires.
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MUQ has no idea about facts or recorded history.
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#39031 Apr 30, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
01. Islamic armies during the "First century" went to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, Libya, Algeria, Tunis, Ethiopia, Spain, Afghanistan, Sindh.
And except Spain, most of these Countries are still majority Muslim countries!
Yes, Muslim countries!!
These were sh^thole countries then and they are still sh^thole countries today !!

The only improvement to these countries since then has been because they have adopted western technologies and some western ways. Muslims themselves have contributed next to nothing to improve the lifestyles of people living in these countries.

Because these are such sh^thole countries, most Muslims who live in these countries want to immigrate to western Christian countries because today they are beginning to realize what sh^thole counties these Muslim countries are!!
Truth

UK

#39032 Apr 30, 2013
Serpent wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, Muslim countries!!
These were sh^thole countries then and they are still sh^thole countries today !!
The only improvement to these countries since then has been because they have adopted western technologies and some western ways. Muslims themselves have contributed next to nothing to improve the lifestyles of people living in these countries.
Because these are such sh^thole countries, most Muslims who live in these countries want to immigrate to western Christian countries because today they are beginning to realize what sh^thole counties these Muslim countries are!!
The balance of power is shifting from west back to the East , so I wouldn't be boasting if I were you .
Trucker

East Maitland, Australia

#39033 Apr 30, 2013
Slumdog buster wrote:
<quoted text>
You sound like a Slumdog pretending to be a brogan, am i correct in my presumption?
smell your fingers ! Wait you are used to smell of shit. Ask someone to carefully stand back and smell the air around your fingers ! That smell is faeces, human waste, bacteria that kills millions in the third world every year but many are immune, like you. When you learn to put a barrier between your anus and your food and utensils you share with others, talk to me. Try paper, a leaf or bark from a paper bark tree found around wet lands. Tea tree has paper bark, maybe a Honda full of dirt or sand. Until you can get control over your spreading of human waste around public areas, nurseries , children, cafeterias, public transport, work places, kitchens, shop counters and everywhere 1 st world keep " faeces free zones" you can eat off our floors and no shit, we can't even eat in the same suburbs as you and not get infected. Before you try to run countries try simple things like "hygiene" simple hygiene! Then first world can save billions shipping medical supplies to your filthy cess pit countries. You should just fall at the feet of a westerner and kiss their shoes, without their charity, you would not even be here, maybe not even alive without their aid to your ancestors and their benevolence to your ancestors. Get your shit together and put it in a hole or sewer, don't push it down the shower hole, with your foot, that is not going to be treated and will polute creeks and rivers as well as local waterways ! You know like rivers of sewer that flow down third world streets, gutters and footpaths. When you learn to shit hygienically, dispose of that waste hygienically , and not spread it to every man, woman, baby and person infecting th with disease , 1st world have to treat you for to save millions http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterborne_dis... typhoid, the plague, everything your shithole countries have and live with which we treat to prevent you traveling here and spreading it all over plane seats to taxis to hotel rooms to shops and eating places. This is why " white flight" and plumbers closed down and moved out of 3rd world suburbs, 50mm water waste pipes trying to deal with shit supposed to be transported by 100mm sewer pipes to treatment plants. Plumbers sound found immigrants shitting in bath tubs ( nice guys bath in shit) shower plug holes and sinks! These guys life work was their business and everything invested there! To pack up and walk away through fear of bringing disease home from these people from these misuses of drains, is a mighty statement ! Give up their life's work and life's business because of vermin from ME shitholes.

When you learn these things, come back and I'll explain the other things you did not understand in the adults posts.
Trucker

East Maitland, Australia

#39034 Apr 30, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>The balance of power is shifting from west back to the East , so I wouldn't be boasting if I were you .
odiot! Do you believe the shit you peddle? Maybe you have read the bad copy of bible and Torah , so I guess you do believe the shit you peddle. Maybe just a game of taqiyya .
true blue

Australia

#39035 Apr 30, 2013
In today's paper, the English Government are warning the Australian Government about the return of war veterans, those Australian muslims returning from fighting the war in Syria, of the dangers of them calling a Jihad on the west.. Are these people Australian or Lebanese, if they call themselves Lebanese first, then clearly they are not Australian, and should have their citizenship cancelled and be deported, or if born here jailed.. Australia is not at war with Syria, our Government has learnt the stupidity of involving ourselves and our soldiers in ANY middle eastern conflict, and in Afghanistan we have paid the price in lives, given for a corrupt country, whose supposed Allies shoot you in the back.. Once again the families and the Imans who know these young men are fighting in Syria, say nothing or do nothing to stop this, while they enjoy the benefits of living here... Traitors all of them..
Truth

UK

#39036 Apr 30, 2013
Trucker wrote:
<quoted text>odiot! Do you believe the shit you peddle? Maybe you have read the bad copy of bible and Torah , so I guess you do believe the shit you peddle. Maybe just a game of taqiyya .
Have been drinking Christs blood again, you smelly vampire!
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#39037 Apr 30, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>The balance of power is shifting from west back to the East , so I wouldn't be boasting if I were you .
Haha the East will never ever have Power.
If the East got Power, they would wind up destroying themselves. hahaha!! They are such barbarians!!

The West will always make sure the east is adaquately looked after but the west will NEVER give them power!!
Truth

UK

#39038 Apr 30, 2013
Serpent wrote:
<quoted text>
Haha the East will never ever have Power.
If the East got Power, they would wind up destroying themselves. hahaha!! They are such barbarians!!
The West will always make sure the east is adaquately looked after but the west will NEVER give them power!!
I'm afraid the West as know choice in the matter freak!
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#39039 Apr 30, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>I'm afraid the West as know choice in the matter freak!
Haha your an idiot,,, the West makes its own choices,,,,haha it doesn't pray to some fkn allah to get choices...goof ball !!
Trucker

East Maitland, Australia

#39040 Apr 30, 2013
Serpent wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, Muslim countries!!
These were sh^thole countries then and they are still sh^thole countries today !!
The only improvement to these countries since then has been because they have adopted western technologies and some western ways. Muslims themselves have contributed next to nothing to improve the lifestyles of people living in these countries.
Because these are such sh^thole countries, most Muslims who live in these countries want to immigrate to western Christian countries because today they are beginning to realize what sh^thole counties these Muslim countries are!!
Arab Spring lol
Trucker

East Maitland, Australia

#39041 Apr 30, 2013
immigrant wrote:
SURAH-( AL-WAKIAH , THE EVENT) THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT
(The Event) The Fifty-Sixth Surah of the Qur'aan
Pickthall Translation
1. When the event befalleth -
2. There is no denying that it will befall -
3. Abasing (some), exalting (others);
4. When the earth is shaken with a shock
5. And the hills are ground to powder
6. So that they become a scattered dust,
7. And ye will be three kinds:
8.(First) those on the right hand; what of those on the right hand ?
9. And (then) those on the left hand; what of those on the left hand ?
10. And the foremost in the race, the foremost in the race:
11. Those are they who will be brought nigh
24. Reward for what they used to do.
25. There hear they no vain speaking nor recrimination
26.(Naught) but the saying: Peace,(and again) Peace.
27. And those on the right hand; what of those on the right hand ?
28. Among thornless lote-trees
29. And clustered plantains,
30. And spreading shade,
31. And water gushing,
32. And fruit in plenty
33. Neither out of reach nor yet forbidden,
34. And raised couches;
35. Lo! We have created them a (new) creation
36. And made them virgins,
37. Lovers, friends,
38. For those on the right hand;
39. A multitude of those of old
40. And a multitude of those of later time.
41. And those on the left hand: What of those on the left hand ?
42. In scorching wind and scalding water
43. And shadow of black smoke,
44. Neither cool nor refreshing.
45. Lo! heretofore they were effete with luxury
46. And used to persist in the awful sin.
47. And they used to say: When we are dead and have become dust and bones, shall we then, forsooth, be raised again,
48. And also our forefathers ?
49. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Lo! those of old and those of later time
50. Will all be brought together to the tryst of an appointed day.
51. Then lo! ye, the erring, the deniers,
52. Ye verily will eat of a tree called Zaqqum
53. And will fill your bellies therewith;
54. And thereon ye will drink of boiling water,
55. Drinking even as the camel drinketh.
56. This will be their welcome on the Day of Judgment.
57. We created you. Will ye then admit the truth ?
58. Have ye seen that which ye emit ?
59. Do ye create it or are We the Creator ?
60. We mete out death among you, and We are not to be outrun,
61. That We may transfigure you and make you what ye know not.
62. And verily ye know the first creation. Why, then, do ye not reflect ?
63. Have ye seen that which ye cultivate ?
64. Is it ye who foster it, or are We the Fosterer ?
65. If We willed, We verily could make it chaff, then would ye cease not to exclaim:
66. Lo! we are laden with debt!
67. Nay, but we are deprived!
68. Have ye observed the water which ye drink ?
69. Is it ye who shed it from the raincloud, or are We the Shedder ?
70. If We willed We verily could make it bitter. Why then, give ye not thanks ?
71. Have ye observed the fire which ye strike out;
72. Was it ye who made the tree thereof to grow, or were We the grower ?
73. We, even We, appointed it a memorial and a comfort for the dwellers in the wilderness.
74. Therefor (O Muhammad), praise the name of thy Lord, the Tremendous.
75. Nay, I swear by the places of the stars -
76. And lo! that verily is a tremendous oath, if ye but knew -
77. That (this) is indeed a noble Qur'an
78. In a Book kept hidden
79. Which none toucheth save the purified,
80. A revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.
what does this mean to you ? Is this a message or rapp poetry ? It has no meaning and makes no sense, only what your own imagination imparts on your twisted inbred brother and sister / your mother father retarded brain !
Trucker

East Maitland, Australia

#39042 Apr 30, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
01. Islamic armies during the "First century" went to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, Libya, Algeria, Tunis, Ethiopia, Spain, Afghanistan.
all 3rd world cess pits today that Muslims flee like rats from a burning ship. Arab Spring , sweeping them clean ?

Not much changed since 1899 either !

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
Trucker

East Maitland, Australia

#39043 Apr 30, 2013
There were no Islamic Armies until 8th century MUQ ! No Muslims till 7th century. God does not send messengers to Muslim ever, not one word ever !
Truth

UK

#39044 Apr 30, 2013
Keep dreaming freak no doubt your great grandchildren will except Islam
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#39045 Apr 30, 2013
Haha dream on you terrorist, only dumbos follow Islam, the proof is in the condition of your sh^thole countries!!
Why are you in the UK terrorist? Can't handle the stench of Islamic countries ??
More and more stinky Muslims are sneaking and crawling into Western Christian countries.. We know how to build good strong countries!!
You know sh^t terrorist!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39046 Apr 30, 2013
Azamat wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you peddle your ancient racist hatreds to a peaceful Christian nation. Can't you see, we don't care your angry nonsense.
With bombs killing your Muslim people with in 1000 klm from where you are, shouldn't you be more concerned with that.
When your people can live in peace like us Australians, Maybe we may look at your society.
You lead by example.
Thank you for appreciating my posts so much. God bless you!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39048 Apr 30, 2013
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

CIA Lies About Lies
The Iraq War and the Persistent Myth of ‘Intelligence Failure’

By Jeremy R. Hammond (Contd.)

Returning to Powell’s claims that Iraq had “mobile production facilities used to make biological agents”, this allegation came from a single source, code-named “Curveball”, whom the CIA had never actually interviewed. The CIA had rather relied on German reporting, which had come complete with warnings that he was a drunk and that his claims couldn’t be corroborated. On May 30, 2003, several months after the invasion of Iraq, Bush declared that U.S. forces had “found the weapons of mass destruction”. They had “found biological laboratories”, he lied.“Remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons?”

He answered his own question,“[W]e’ve so far discovered two”, adding that “we’ll find more weapons as time goes on”. He then made a vain attempt to belittle his critics by saying,“But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong. We found them.” Inconveniently for the administration, a British team investigated the trailers and concluded that nothing of the sort had been found. One biological weapons expert told The Observer,“They are not mobile germ warfare laboratories. You could not use them for making biological weapons. They do not even look like them. They are exactly what the Iraqis said they were—facilities for the production of hydrogen gas to fill balloons.” As it turned out, it was the U.K. that had sold the system, known as an Artillery Meteorological System, or “Amets”, to Iraq in 1987.

The nature of the U.S. case for war was aptly summarized in the minutes of a meeting of senior ministers of the British government on July 23, 2002, the infamous “Downing Street Memo”, which observed:“Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.”

Conclusion

The narrative that there was an “intelligence failure” leading up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq on March 19, 2003 cannot withstand the slightest scrutiny. The simple fact of the matter is that there was no evidence that Iraq still possessed WMD. The fact of the matter is that top experts in their respective fields within the U.S. intelligence community had correctly assessed that Iraq did not have WMD or ongoing WMD programs. The CIA’s judgments to the contrary were not the result of a “failure” within the intelligence community to correctly analyze and assess the evidence, but of a systematic effort to control information in order to limit “dissent” and stovepipe products to administration officials that would support the government’s official policy of regime change. In other words, the policy was not based on the intelligence, but the CIA’s intelligence products were rather based on the policy.

MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#39049 Apr 30, 2013
Contd.

Understood in these terms, it becomes apparent that far from a “failure”, the government’s disinformation campaign designed to manufacture consent for war was a resounding success. The narrative of an “intelligence failure” attempts to pin responsibility on analysts within the intelligence community rather than on senior administration officials such as President George W. Bush, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and Secretary of State Colin Powell. It attempts to shift the blame for the lies of senior policymakers onto analysts who supposedly didn’t do their jobs correctly. But the truth of the matter is that analysts who did do their job were sidelined and silenced, while assessments from analysts like “Joe” who dishonestly touted the official line were stovepiped to policymakers in “intelligence” products containing judgments completely unsupported by the available evidence.

The narrative of “intelligence failure” attempts to obfuscate the truth of the matter, which is that senior government officials repeatedly lied and willfully deceived the public by making claims unsupported by evidence and by deliberately withholding any information that contradicted their allegations. Seen in this light, it becomes evident that the recently released CIA document is anything but a “mea culpa”. It is, on the contrary, just more of the same.

Jeremy R. Hammond is an independent political analyst and editor of Foreign Policy Journal, an online source for news, critical analysis, and opinion commentary on U.S. foreign policy. He was among the recipients of the 2010 Project Censored Awards for outstanding investigative journalism. foreignpolicyjournal.com

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