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immigrant

Australia

#38881 Apr 26, 2013
Imperialism vs. Islamism: A Vicious Circle

Any number of military and civilian intelligence studies have shown that the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have generated more, not fewer, terrorists and more, not less “anti-Americanism”(meaning: outrage at all the lies, the torture, the Abu Ghraibs and Guantanamos, the “extraordinary renditions,” the insults to Islam ranging from Qur’an burnings to urinating on militants’ dead bodies, the incessant drone strikes, the support from the most oppressive regimes in the Middle East, the baseless threats against Iran, the slavish support for Israel as it continues to occupy Palestinian land and abuse Palestinians at will, etc.). There is really no question about it. One has to be as deeply in denial as the Tsarnaev boys’ mom to think otherwise.

But you see, the media morons who reject such clear analysis as (weird, puzzling) self-hatred—a desire to “blame America first”—have to posit instead the “us versus them” theme and a narrative in which the Muslims attack us not for any wrongdoing on the part of the U.S. but because “they hate our freedoms.” They have to demand that we all shut down our minds, agree that Islam, not imperialism, is the fundamental problem—and then use more violence to contain the ongoing threat.

The war on terror, Dick Cheney predicted, would last beyond his lifetime. The neocons-led wars in the so-called “Greater Middle East” since 2001 indeed seem to constitute a new Crusade. Recall that the medieval Crusades lasted two hundred years, producing scars and resentment that remain to this day. Those wars focused specifically on religion, while these are waged by U.S. governments that deny any religious prejudices at all, even while relying on racism and religious bigotry to win support.

The Tsarnaev brothers deserve little sympathy. Their acts were vicious and unforgiveable. They were probably designed to inflict random pain, in retaliation for random pain.“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” say both the Old Testament (Exodus 21:24) and the Qur’an (5:45). Those combining simplistic, bigoted thinking with a fundamental disregard for life targeted whole peoples for retribution after the 9/11 attacks, launching incomparably more destructive, more hate-producing assaults in its wake. It is hardly surprising that those assaulted respond, as best they can, with their “weapons of the weak” in kind.

It is not only radical Salafists who find it useful and justifiable to inflict terror on random civilians. What were the Tokyo bombings of World War II (that in the words of Gen. Curtis LeMay were designed to “scorch and boil and bake to death” 100,000 Japanese civilians); or the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing over 200,000 civilians; or the No Gun Ri Massacre in the Korean War; or the My Lai Massacre in the Vietnam War, but terrorist acts? Acts of calculated craziness, designed to horrify, to persuade the targeted that the U.S.A. can do whatever the hell it wants, following its own rules?

And what is the supposition that such actions will have no consequences, other than a dangerous illusion—one as baseless as the Tsarnaev brothers’ supposition that they could walk away from the crime scene smiling and go on with their lives as usual?

GARY LEUPP is Professor of History at Tufts University, and holds a secondary appointment in the Department of Religion. He is the author of Servants, Shophands and Laborers in in the Cities of Tokugawa Japan; Male Colors: The Construction of Homosexuality in Tokugawa Japan; and Interracial Intimacy in Japan: Western Men and Japanese Women, 1543-1900. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion,(AK Press). He can be reached at: gleupp@granite.tufts.edu

Did you understand anything criminal convicts? LLOL,LLOL,LLOL
immigrant

Australia

#38882 Apr 26, 2013
Immigrantsoncrack wrote:
<quoted text>
Take 2.Blah, Blah, Blah, Bark Bark
LLOL,LLOL,LLOL, Hahahahahahahahah

Imperialism vs. Islamism: A Vicious Circle
Any number of military and civilian intelligence studies have shown that the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have generated more, not fewer, terrorists and more, not less “anti-Americanism”(meaning: outrage at all the lies, the torture, the Abu Ghraibs and Guantanamos, the “extraordinary renditions,” the insults to Islam ranging from Qur’an burnings to urinating on militants’ dead bodies, the incessant drone strikes, the support from the most oppressive regimes in the Middle East, the baseless threats against Iran, the slavish support for Israel as it continues to occupy Palestinian land and abuse Palestinians at will, etc.). There is really no question about it. One has to be as deeply in denial as the Tsarnaev boys’ mom to think otherwise.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah, LLOL
But you see, the media morons who reject such clear analysis as (weird, puzzling) self-hatred—a desire to “blame America first”—have to posit instead the “us versus them” theme and a narrative in which the Muslims attack us not for any wrongdoing on the part of the U.S. but because “they hate our freedoms.” They have to demand that we all shut down our minds, agree that Islam, not imperialism, is the fundamental problem—and then use more violence to contain the ongoing threat.
The war on terror, Dick Cheney predicted, would last beyond his lifetime. The neocons-led wars in the so-called “Greater Middle East” since 2001 indeed seem to constitute a new Crusade. Recall that the medieval Crusades lasted two hundred years, producing scars and resentment that remain to this day. Those wars focused specifically on religion, while these are waged by U.S. governments that deny any religious prejudices at all, even while relying on racism and religious bigotry to win support.
The Tsarnaev brothers deserve little sympathy. Their acts were vicious and unforgiveable. They were probably designed to inflict random pain, in retaliation for random pain.“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” say both the Old Testament (Exodus 21:24) and the Qur’an (5:45). Those combining simplistic, bigoted thinking with a fundamental disregard for life targeted whole peoples for retribution after the 9/11 attacks, launching incomparably more destructive, more hate-producing assaults in its wake. It is hardly surprising that those assaulted respond, as best they can, with their “weapons of the weak” in kind.
It is not only radical Salafists who find it useful and justifiable to inflict terror on random civilians. What were the Tokyo bombings of World War II (that in the words of Gen. Curtis LeMay were designed to “scorch and boil and bake to death” 100,000 Japanese civilians); or the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing over 200,000 civilians; or the No Gun Ri Massacre in the Korean War; or the My Lai Massacre in the Vietnam War, but terrorist acts? Acts of calculated craziness, designed to horrify, to persuade the targeted that the U.S.A. can do whatever the hell it wants, following its own rules?
And what is the supposition that such actions will have no consequences, other than a dangerous illusion—one as baseless as the Tsarnaev brothers’ supposition that they could walk away from the crime scene smiling and go on with their lives as usual?
GARY LEUPP is Professor of History at Tufts University, and holds a secondary appointment in the Department of Religion. He is the author of Servants, Shophands and Laborers in in the Cities of Tokugawa Japan; Male Colors: The Construction of Homosexuality in Tokugawa Japan; and Interracial Intimacy in Japan: Western Men and Japanese Women, 1543-1900. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion,(AK Press). He can be reached at: gleupp@granite.tufts.edu

Did you understand anything criminal convicts? LLOL,LLOL,LLOL
Jackass Whisperer

Brisbane, Australia

#38883 Apr 26, 2013
When you people cut the rhetoric and start acting like civilised human beings you will be treated as such, your actions speak louder than a thousand words, while you act like aggressive barbaric animals you will be treated like animals. Don't tell us you are peaceful people and then go and blow up a market, you only look like fools when your actions are diametrically opposite to your words, don't you get it, you have lost all credibility with your vacuous rhetoric.
Highlighting the crimes of others does not lessen the crimes of yourselves nor give you an excuse to commit more crimes, as jesus said,“ don't be concerned with the splinter in your brothers eye when you have a beam in your own eye.”
Convict of the west

Australia

#38884 Apr 26, 2013
immigrant wrote:
<quoted text>
LLOL,LLOL,LLOL, Hahahahahahahahah
Imperialism vs. Islamism: A Vicious Circle
A whole lot of socialist cut & paste nonsense.
Did you understand anything criminal convicts? LLOL,LLOL,LLOL
Yes. We understand. Capitalist imperialism is only as good as it's ability to project massive violence on others when needed. The miltary/industrial complex is about 8% of our combined western GDP. When we run out of enemies and wars, we manufacture them.
You are a manufacture of something we define and makes us strong & you weak.
You are very naive & unwordly so I will keep it very simple.
Wahhabi & Salafi are creations of the west, not
of Islam.
You will find this hard to believe at first, but once
you do understand that then you will realize you wear the uniform WE make for you.
You think thoughts we design for you.
You are a product of the enemies we wish for and control or destroy at whim.
Btw; There is probably less than 4,000 people in Australia that could claim some form of convict heritage in Australia. It's actually something these people are proud of. Many if not most were guilty of minor crimes of society that then used these people to successfully colonize an entire
continent. Sort of like the sons of the slaves of the Egyptians founding their own nation..
If I recall the ishmaelites had a similar claim as the 13th lost tribe.. An arab semite tribe that was spawned of a heretic slave wife that had rejected the god of abraham and was cast out into the wilderness. That was before Muhammad
came along, corrupted their faith, stole their book (the book of T'ubah), imposed Allah the moon
god of the qureesh and himself as a false idol to replace Hubal 'the lord of the kaaba'... and then of course Uthman wrote his own version of
events, resulting in the synthetic aposasty of mumbo then rewritten dozens of times again,..
(That is the Quran today)
Your tribe lost it's way. It has no purpose now except to be an enemy or a supplicant to our needs, and of our choosing.
You perhaps are the 'convict'.
A convict of Islam, a corrupted apostasy.
A convict of the uniform we make you wear.
You dance in our shackles to our tunes.
Islam fails eg

Australia

#38885 Apr 26, 2013
'Convicts of the West' is a very confused fellow.
He clearly doesn't understand that Islam & marxism or even socialism are diametrically opposed.
In western society, degrees of marxism (collective ownership) and socialism, can and do exist.
It's a bit like how the west is also secular, allowing freedom and diversity in relgious & political expression, something Islam also does not allow.
This is why the west is a safe haven for tens of millions of muslims, who flee to the west to escape the illogical, repressive & corrupt Islamic nations.
The traffic is one way..
Convicts of Islam fleeing to the west or overthrowing their corrupt inept Islamic dictatorships is evident all across the world now.
*
The best example of the failure of Marxist or socialist principles, or a multicultural society to exist within Islam is Indonesia.
*
During WW2, Indonesia & Malaysia sided with and supported the japanese occupation, thinking they would be liberated from western imperialism.
They quickly learnt the Japanese were no liberators and became a slave race to japan.
At the end of WW2, Indonesia eventually gained independence , and tried a form of marxist socialist Islam. It was the largest experiment of it's type and was to be the 'model' for progressive multicultural tolerant Islam.
Indonesia went backward riven by factions and sects within Islam. Nationalist facist islamic and communist/socialist Islamic groups coalesced.
*
The treachery of Muslims to each other..
*
With little warning and no outside influence (the USA was barely aware if events until they happened...) an absolute bloodbath of Muslim
killing Muslim then emerged.
Islamic youth factions plus the nationalist party attacked the Islamic socialist factions, armed with lists, guns and machetes, and over 3 million Muslims were murdered by fellow Muslims.
Chinese and other races were targeted as well.
The 'true islam' was revealed.
There was no Muslim brotherhood or unity, no tolerance, no one faith before Allah. No convenant was honored. For weeks the mass murder of Muslims by Muslims to kill out any socialist, communist, educated or collective minded person went on and on.
*
That was the end of the pretense that islam could ever tolerate a belief that people were equal, had a common god, or that under Islam there could be an integration of more modern ideas and behaviors as part of world society.
*
Indonesia took 2 decades to recover, under a long spell of military dictatorships.(sound familiar, what Islamic country is not under the control of it's miltary you may ask..)
In indinesia - only the army could maintain control as islam was too unstable and had
proved genocidal to it's people & neighbours.
The army still hovers in the background. Islam is
seen as too dangerous a path, and now Indonesia moves slowly to becoming a democratic secular capitalist economy.
Islam failed. Islamic socialism massively failed.

Just like how Islam has failed everywhere else.

Tariq Ali has written in this (clash of fundamentalisms)- and it's a good book. He was a committed Islamic Marxist/socialist. On his authority the conclusion he comes to is that Islam has failed it's people and does not offer an option or alternative. It's a dead belief system, it will fail in any reformation or adaption. His words.
*
So for any budding Islamic anti imperialist Marxist socialist out there,(MUQ for one)- please read his book or others.
Then understand how naive you are when you bleat about the west.. but can offer no credible
alternative.
immigrantsoncrac k

Botany, Australia

#38886 Apr 26, 2013
Earlier this week in a television interview the mother suggested the Boston Marathon was staged.

"I saw very, very interesting video last night, that the marathon was something like a really big play," she told CNN in English.

"There is, like, paint instead of blood, like it is made up."

Speaking to reporters on Thursday, Zubeidat reaffirmed her belief that her sons were innocent of the Boston bombings.

Zubeidat is also being accused as the radicalising influence on her sons, teaching the extremist Muslim beliefs.

And that folks, just like 'immgrant' is they type you are dealing with.
Yet they CHOOSE not TO RETURN TO THE BOSOM OF THEIR MUSLIM LANDS.
immigrantsoncrac k

Botany, Australia

#38887 Apr 26, 2013
"Oh rubbish. YOu obviously have not studied history throughout the ages if you are saying that white races have killed more than all other religions combined.NIce highlight on your Muslim fantaticism and racism.

Just for starters:
* 40,000,000 Red China, 1949-76 (outright killing, manmade famine, Gulag)


* 4,000,000 Ethiopia, 1962-92: Communists, artificial hunger, genocides

* 3,900,000 Zaire (Congo-Kinshasa): 1967-68; 1977-78; 1992-95; 1998-present

* 2,800,000 Korean war, 1950-53

* 1,900,000 Sudan, 1955-72; 1983-2006 (civil wars, genocides)

* 1,970,000 Cambodia: Khmer Rouge 1975-79; civil war 1978-91

* 1,800,000 Vietnam War, 1954-75

* 1,800,000 Afghanistan: Soviet and internecine killings, Taliban 1980-2001

1* 1,450,000 West Pakistan massacres in East Pakistan (Bangladesh 1971)

1* 1,400,000 Nigeria, 1966-79 (Biafra); 1993-present

1* 1,100,000 Mozambique, 1964-70 (30,000)+ after retreat of Portugal 1976-92

*1,500,000 Iran-Iraq-War, 1980-88

*900,000 Rwanda genocide, 1994

15 875,000 Algeria: against France 1954-62 (675,000); between Islamists and the government 1991-2006 (200,000)

* 850,000 Uganda, 1971-79; 1981-85; 1994-present


* 650,000 Indonesia: Marxists 1965-66 (450,000); East Timor, Papua, Aceh etc, 1969-present (200,000)

* 580,000 Angola: war against Portugal 1961-72 (80,000); after Portugal’s retreat (1972-2002)

* 500,000 Brazil against its Indians, up to 1999

* 430,000 Vietnam, after the war ended in 1975 (own people; boat refugees)

* 400,000 Indochina: against France, 1945-54

* 400,000 Burundi, 1959-present (Tutsi/Hutu)

* 700,000 Somalia, 1991-present

* 700,000 North Korea up to present (own people)

* 350,000 Kurds in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, 1980s-1900,000 Iraq, 1970-2003 (Saddam against minorities)

* 190,000 Lebanon civil war, 1975-90

*90,000 Iran, 1978-79 (revolution)

*29,000 Jordan government vs. Palestinians, 1970-71 (Black September)

*20,000 Syria, 1982 (against Islamists in Hama)

* 70,000 Syrians dead and counting, present internal conflict.

---more lists, but I've run out of space and energy!

You don't even value your own blood though, so how can any sane person expect you to value anybody elses. Take westerners out of the equasion, you will still kill each other with regular montony, you have been responsible for more of your own deaths in this modern era than any western influence.
The usual muslim banging on about Drones killing (and yes, unfortunatley they sometimes kill innocent civilians) when your own murder rate makes the drones look tame.

NINETY PERCENT OF THE ELEVEN MILLION MUSLIMS WHO HAVE DIED SINCE 1948 HAS BEEN BY EACH OTHER'S MUSLIM HANDS!! Maybe you should CONVINCE OTHER MUSLIMS OF YOUR PEACEFUL RELIGION NOT US WESTERNERS! "

Again, this is merely an inconvenient truth to a rabid brainwashed type muslim.
Truth

UK

#38889 Apr 26, 2013
immigrantsoncrack wrote:
"Oh rubbish. YOu obviously have not studied history throughout the ages if you are saying that white races have killed more than all other religions combined.NIce highlight on your Muslim fantaticism and racism.
Just for starters:
* 40,000,000 Red China, 1949-76 (outright killing, manmade famine, Gulag)
* 4,000,000 Ethiopia, 1962-92: Communists, artificial hunger, genocides
* 3,900,000 Zaire (Congo-Kinshasa): 1967-68; 1977-78; 1992-95; 1998-present
* 2,800,000 Korean war, 1950-53
* 1,900,000 Sudan, 1955-72; 1983-2006 (civil wars, genocides)
* 1,970,000 Cambodia: Khmer Rouge 1975-79; civil war 1978-91
* 1,800,000 Vietnam War, 1954-75
* 1,800,000 Afghanistan: Soviet and internecine killings, Taliban 1980-2001
1* 1,450,000 West Pakistan massacres in East Pakistan (Bangladesh 1971)
1* 1,400,000 Nigeria, 1966-79 (Biafra); 1993-present
1* 1,100,000 Mozambique, 1964-70 (30,000)+ after retreat of Portugal 1976-92
*1,500,000 Iran-Iraq-War, 1980-88
*900,000 Rwanda genocide, 1994
15 875,000 Algeria: against France 1954-62 (675,000); between Islamists and the government 1991-2006 (200,000)
* 850,000 Uganda, 1971-79; 1981-85; 1994-present
* 650,000 Indonesia: Marxists 1965-66 (450,000); East Timor, Papua, Aceh etc, 1969-present (200,000)
* 580,000 Angola: war against Portugal 1961-72 (80,000); after Portugal?s retreat (1972-2002)
* 500,000 Brazil against its Indians, up to 1999
* 430,000 Vietnam, after the war ended in 1975 (own people; boat refugees)
* 400,000 Indochina: against France, 1945-54
* 400,000 Burundi, 1959-present (Tutsi/Hutu)
* 700,000 Somalia, 1991-present
* 700,000 North Korea up to present (own people)
* 350,000 Kurds in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, 1980s-1900,000 Iraq, 1970-2003 (Saddam against minorities)
* 190,000 Lebanon civil war, 1975-90
*90,000 Iran, 1978-79 (revolution)
*29,000 Jordan government vs. Palestinians, 1970-71 (Black September)
*20,000 Syria, 1982 (against Islamists in Hama)
* 70,000 Syrians dead and counting, present internal conflict.
---more lists, but I've run out of space and energy!
You don't even value your own blood though, so how can any sane person expect you to value anybody elses. Take westerners out of the equasion, you will still kill each other with regular montony, you have been responsible for more of your own deaths in this modern era than any western influence.
The usual muslim banging on about Drones killing (and yes, unfortunatley they sometimes kill innocent civilians) when your own murder rate makes the drones look tame.
NINETY PERCENT OF THE ELEVEN MILLION MUSLIMS WHO HAVE DIED SINCE 1948 HAS BEEN BY EACH OTHER'S MUSLIM HANDS!! Maybe you should CONVINCE OTHER MUSLIMS OF YOUR PEACEFUL RELIGION NOT US WESTERNERS! "
Again, this is merely an inconvenient truth to a rabid brainwashed type muslim.
You are forgetting who put those Arab dictators into power in the first place , it was the British Empire . The British Empire turned the Arabs against the Turks which lead to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and now America is responsible for turning Sunni Muslims against Shia Muslims all for the sake of keeping Israel safe .

“Australia's #1 Paleontologist”

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#38890 Apr 26, 2013
Derp.
immigrantsoncrac k

Botany, Australia

#38891 Apr 26, 2013
Truth, that is a highly debatable and complex statement you've made.
NOvels have been written about that exact thing actually.

From your post, you have presented Muslims as being some sort of dumb puppets being played with by the long gone British Empire and the USA, like Muslims are bereft of an sort of brain which allows intelligent thinking.

The fact is that BEFORE any sort of Western influences, Islamic states were murdering each other at a consistent and alarming rate.

When does a Muslim take responsibility for their own actions without trying to lay blame for murder and violence at somebody else's feet.
Only when Muslims man up and become masters of their own domains will their (largely) self inflicted miserty end.
As long as they continue to say 'this is all somebody else's fault' they will entrap themselves into a "I'm just a poor victim " mentality.
Stinking Immigrant

Perth, Australia

#38892 Apr 26, 2013
immigrant wrote:
“Tell me…have you heard of a lady called Madeleine? No? In 1996, this lady named Albright Madeleine, the US ambassador to the United Nations, was asked on television how she felt about the fact that five hundred thousand Iraqi children had died as a result of US economic sanctions. Do you know what she said? She said it was ‘a very hard choice’ but ‘we think the price is worth it.’ These are her exact words. How do you feel about that?”
Did you understand anything criminal convicts? LLOL,LLOL,LLOL
Shut you dirty filthy unwashed Pig,



Nothing but black crap out of your filthy taxi
immigrantsoncrac k

Botany, Australia

#38893 Apr 26, 2013
*cont,

and Truth, how is that approach in life working for Muslims around the world now?

It's not a series of internal conflicts, poverty, violence, chaos and with boatloads of people TRYING to flee those lands.

1.3 million Syrians have fled to Turkey and that is rising.
150,000 thousand Syrians have fled to Egypt and in Egypt, over 100,000 christians have fled that country, with another 150,000 that are trying to flee.
Another 50,000 frightened Muslims have packed up and fled from Egypt as well.

Then you have from within Syria and sections of Egypt all bitter towards the USA (mostly) UK and other western countries for NOT INTERVENING!!

Christ, damned if we do, damned if we don't.
I say leave the Middle East to sort it's own shit out, because nobody can do that.
Stinking Immigrant

Perth, Australia

#38894 Apr 26, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>You are forgetting who put those Arab dictators into power in the first place , it was the British Empire . The British Empire turned the Arabs against the Turks which lead to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and now America is responsible for turning Sunni Muslims against Shia Muslims all for the sake of keeping Israel safe .
Its our fault

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspa...

Wake up Blackee, stop blaming people for your violent religion.

Stop worshiping SATAN and the muslim world will have peace.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#38898 Apr 26, 2013
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

CIA Lies About Lies
The Iraq War and the Persistent Myth of ‘Intelligence Failure’

By Jeremy R. Hammond (Contd.)

A Counterintelligence Success

One may similarly examine virtually every other aspect of the case for war and see the same repetition of official deception. On February 24, 2001, Colin Powell stated that Saddam Hussein “has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction.” When he went before the Security Council two years later to present the administration’s case for war, he knew he was lying. He knew that the claims he was making were not supported by the available evidence. He knew that his claims were contradicted by the available intelligence assessments of the nation’s top experts in their respective fields.

Another example of this was the claim that Iraq’s unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) were intended to deliver chemical and biological weapons. On October 7, 2002, President Bush declared,“We’ve also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We’re concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States.” According to Senator Bill Nelson, prior to the Congressional vote on the resolution granting the President the authority to enforce U.N. resolutions through the Security Council—(contrary to popular belief, the invasion of Iraq was a violation of the U.S. Constitution as well as international law)—members of Congress were told that Iraq could deliver anthrax to U.S. cities using UAVs.

He testified,“I was told that not only did he have the weapons of mass destruction and that he had the means to deliver them through unmanned aerial vehicles, but that he had the capability of transporting those UAVs outside of Iraq and threatening the homeland here in America, specifically by putting them on ships off the eastern seaboard of which they would then drop their WMD on eastern seaboard cities. You can see all the more why I thought there was an imminent threat.”

In his February 5 presentation before the Security Council, Colin Powell showed a picture of an Iraqi Mirage jet aircraft that he claimed was spraying “simulated anthrax”. He claimed that spray tanks capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons were “intended to be mounted on a MiG-21 that had been converted into an unmanned aerial vehicle, or a UAV.” He added that “UAVs outfitted with spray tanks constitute an ideal method for launching a terrorist attack using biological weapons.” After making these allegations, he turned his attention to Iraq’s actual known UAVs, which were smaller and lighter than a jet aircraft.

These, he said,“are well suited for dispensing chemical and biological weapons. There is ample evidence that Iraq has dedicated much effort to developing and testing spray devices that could be adapted for UAVs.” He argued that,“According to Iraq’s December 7 declaration, its UAVs have a range of only 80 kilometers. But we detected one of Iraq’s newest UAVs in a test flight that went 500 kilometers nonstop on autopilot” in a “race track pattern”—that is to say, it “was flown around and around and around in a circle.” For this argument, Powell was relying on the ignorance of his audience. He could not have been unaware that Iraq’s UAVs necessarily functioned by use of a guiding signal that had a limited range.

Iimmagrant taxi driver

Perth, Australia

#38899 Apr 26, 2013
immigrant wrote:
<quoted text>
HA HA HA HA haaaa LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL convict LOL LOLLOL LOL LOL
Americans are the most drugged and indebted people on earth, with the highest rates of teen pregnancy and childbirth among developed nations. We don’t think much about the future, nor can we envision what it might bring. With no universal healthcare, many of us don’t even dare to think about our own bodily decline or vulnerabilities.“Kicking the can down the road” has become our mantra. Each speech by the President is a vapid pep talk with no correlation to reality, yet, clouded by virtual or real narcotics, many of us still clap and cheer. Others mumble that it’s time we fight back, but with our enemy ill-defined or out of reach, we’re reduced to shooting innocents or ourselves.
Linh Dinh is the author of two books of stories, five of poems, and a novel, Love Like Hate. He’s tracking our deteriorating socialscape through his frequently updated photo blog, State of the Union.
Old MUQ had a farm,
E-I-E-I-O.

And on his farm he had some Immigrants,
E-I-E-I-O.

With a BO ,Here
and a BO There
Here a BO, there a BO
Everywhere a B O

Old MacDonald had a farm,
E-I-E-I-O.

And on his farm he had some JEWS,
E-I-E-I-O.

With a JEW, JEW here,
And a JEW, JEW there,
Here a JEW, there a JEW,
Everywhere a JEW, JEW,
Peter

Perth, Australia

#38900 Apr 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
-
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
CIA Lies About Lies
The Iraq War and the Persistent Myth of ‘Intelligence Failure’
By Jeremy R. Hammond (Contd.)
A Counterintelligence Success
One may similarly examine virtually every other aspect of the case for war and see the same repetition of official deception. On February 24, 2001, Colin Powell stated that Saddam Hussein “has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction.” When he went before the Security Council two years later to present the administration’s case for war, he knew he was lying. He knew that the claims he was making were not supported by the available evidence. He knew that his claims were contradicted by the available intelligence assessments of the nation’s top experts in their respective fields.
Another example of this was the claim that Iraq’s unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) were intended to deliver chemical and biological weapons. On October 7, 2002, President Bush declared,“We’ve also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We’re concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States.” According to Senator Bill Nelson, prior to the Congressional vote on the resolution granting the President the authority to enforce U.N. resolutions through the Security Council—(contrary to popular belief, the invasion of Iraq was a violation of the U.S. Constitution as well as international law)—members of Congress were told that Iraq could deliver anthrax to U.S. cities using UAVs.
He testified,“I was told that not only did he have the weapons of mass destruction and that he had the means to deliver them through unmanned aerial vehicles, but that he had the capability of transporting those UAVs outside of Iraq and threatening the homeland here in America, specifically by putting them on ships off the eastern seaboard of which they would then drop their WMD on eastern seaboard cities. You can see all the more why I thought there was an imminent threat.”
In his February 5 presentation before the Security Council, Colin Powell showed a picture of an Iraqi Mirage jet aircraft that he claimed was spraying “simulated anthrax”. He claimed that spray tanks capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons were “intended to be mounted on a MiG-21 that had been converted into an unmanned aerial vehicle, or a UAV.” He added that “UAVs outfitted with spray tanks constitute an ideal method for launching a terrorist attack using biological weapons.” After making these allegations, he turned his attention to Iraq’s actual known UAVs, which were smaller and lighter than a jet aircraft.
These, he said,“are well suited for dispensing chemical and biological weapons. There is ample evidence that Iraq has dedicated much effort to developing and testing spray devices that could be adapted for UAVs.” He argued that,“According to Iraq’s December 7 declaration, its UAVs have a range of only 80 kilometers. But we detected one of Iraq’s newest UAVs in a test flight that went 500 kilometers nonstop on autopilot” in a “race track pattern”—that is to say, it “was flown around and around and around in a circle.” For this argument, Powell was relying on the ignorance of his audience. He could not have been unaware that Iraq’s UAVs necessarily functioned by use of a guiding signal that had a limited range.
I would worry yourself about that

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/

Your middle east is a violent and horrible place to be, denounce that Violent religion and live by the teachings of Jesus.

“Piss the Queen off Our coins!”

Since: Nov 11

Adelaide

#38901 Apr 26, 2013
our culture is not cannot exist side by side with a fundamental Islamist organisation. Moderates, perhaps, but not fundamentalists.

Proof of this is the years we have been fighting the Islamist Fundamentalists Taliban in Afgahnistan.

My concern is that we are accepting people just like these as Asylum Seekers into our country.

When do you think we will begin fighting Islamist fundamentalists on our own shores?

The Current Left Wing Socialist soft cock wankers are spending $300k to determine whether we should "tone down" Anzac day so we dont upset these same Fundamentalist Islamic scumbags.

http://www.causes.com/actions/1639410-is-it-r...

Never. Never will I tone down my pride in their sacrifice, in their achievements, in their determination to return home victors in the fight against tyranny, injustice and religious brain washing.

I am Australian. I am Proud, and I wont tone down my Patriotism.

If you dont like Australia the way it is, you can always leave.

“Australia's #1 Paleontologist”

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#38902 Apr 26, 2013
Everybody please shut up, no one really cares.
Bug off

Australia

#38904 Apr 27, 2013
Paleoworld-101 wrote:
Everybody please shut up, no one really cares.
Don't log in then fool.
Mung

Australia

#38905 Apr 27, 2013
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/ta...

What a bunch of fools, can't have a election with out trouble.

How about some Good Old car bomb child killing to top it off ?

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