Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46752 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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passing through

Australia

#38340 Apr 2, 2013
Barber quotes the authors, Professors Temin and Vines:“Like Britain roughly a century earlier, America has become part of the problem, not the solution.” It is unclear what exactly is being referenced here. The folly related to England’s participation in the Great War of August 1914, the disgraceful Treaty of Versailles in 1919 and its reparations regime, the inability of England to cope with the Great Depression of the 1930s, or British insolvency at the end of the Second World War? Let’s say all three. For my money, the key to everything right down to the present moment remains the Great War.
Does the average American realize that he and she are being bled dry by their own “elites” who suffer from a similar myopia and arrogance as the blockheads in Whitehall who gratuitously catapulted England into two world wars? Of course not. How could they? It is being kept under wraps. Those whose interests are being advanced directly and indirectly by current circumstances do not want the music to stop. Why should they blow the whistle on themselves? Instead, they go with the flow. Everyone in Washington follows the line of least resistance.
Remember the “Peace Dividend”? That was supposed to be America’s reward for winning the Cold War in 1990/1991. Resources would be freed up to use on the home front. But something happened to derail the dividend. What was it? Oh, yes. Saddam Hussein invaded the city-state of Kuwait on August 2nd, 1990. Saddam had misinterpreted the mixed signals sent from his then-ally, America. Washington had abetted Iraq’s war on Iran for nearly a decade. With Iraq’s annexation of Kuwait, Washington was off to the races again. A full-blown crusade was the result.
In the process, half a million Iraqi children were left dead due to the economic embargo imposed by Bush I and Bill Clinton. In the process, America got hit with the atrocity of 9/11. In the process, a disarmed Iraq was targeted for “shock and awe” and overrun as part of the Global War on Terror. GWOT was the private agenda war masterminded by the Neocons for Dick Cheney & Bush II. That private agenda war continues unabated under Barack Obama, who is considered to be some sort of “progressive”.
Concurrently, Afghanistan/Pakistan became a battleground and a hotbed of terrorism. It remains a quagmire for American and NATO troops. Meanwhile, as if more problems were needed, Washington policymakers loudly and shamelessly repeat the false accusation that Iran is running a nuclear weapons program.
G.W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Barack Obama knew that accusation was false. Their own intelligence community told them so in writing. Ditto Seymour Hersh in the pages of The New Yorker. No matter. The establishment media does not bark. The campaign against Iran is a rerun of Iraq.
Finally, just the other day somewhere in Palestine, Obama fulsomely embraced Theodor Herzl and his acolytes, thereby rationalizing and condoning the wholesale dispossession of Palestinians forever. Who noticed? It was the line of least resistance as well as Obama’s ticket to the greatest personal reward. No surprise.
America is at war, all right. Yet another unnecessary war of choice. We are being bled dry like England before us. Chalk up a second global Anglo-Saxon ascendancy thrown away and destroyed thanks to the chicanery of foolish men.
PATRICK FOY is an essayist and short story writer as well as a former altar boy. He graduated from Canterbury School in New Milford, Connecticut and from Columbia University in New York City, where he studied English literature, European history and American diplomatic history. His work can be found at www.PatrickFoyDossier.com .
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#38341 Apr 2, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Amateurish you say,you missed out a few that have been boiling over from Muhammad's death but then again you aren't all that professional in your memory of your history are you ?
Also, you are a big fibber !
I was referring to wars in the past 100 years and you are unable to prove that any major war was fought on religious ground.

You could go back to any period in time and verify that "Very few" wars were fought on purely religious basis.

There are many factors, which rulers / kings / Popes camouflage by taking the name of religions.

But on propaganda level, they cry that it is religions which are source of fighting and wars.

Some of the biggest massacres were committed in those so called Communist countries....which religion was responsible for those massacres.

That is why I called your comments as amateurish, I should have called them Childish to be more exact.

And now you went back to the time of our prophet directly. Do not start in the reverse order.

Start with our present times....and then check and verify wars in 100 years period..

If you do proper research, the conclusion would be "very few wars" in the world have been fought on purely religious issues.

It is not the religions which are responsible for wars and killings of humans.....it is the desire of nations to exploit material , agriculture and natural resources of other nations / people , this is Real Cause of Most wars in the world.

Since the dawn of human civilization till our time.

Very few wars which were fought on purely religious issues, involved Prophets of God and their Righteous Followers..... but these wars could be counted on finger tips.
Kaka The Street Pig

Woodside, Australia

#38342 Apr 2, 2013
Take you back passing wind ?

I miss those Cesspools, I loved them when playing as a kid. Sometimes if we were lucky, we could stab a floating swollen Dead Dog and get the gas out of it for a laugh, O those were the days.....
When I was just a little Monkey.....

and you forgot your LOL LOL LOL lol lol's
GFC

Villawood, Australia

#38343 Apr 2, 2013
Could anyone shed a bit of light on what this actually means in layman's terms ?

http://www.al-islam.org/laws/marriage1.html

2414.* If a baligh person commits sodomy with a boy , the mother, sister and daughter of the boy become haraam for him. And the same law applies when the person on whom sodomy is committed is an adult male, or when the person committing sodomy is na-baligh. But if one suspects or doubts whether penetration occurred or not, then the said woman would not become haraam.

2415.* If a person marries the mother or sister of a boy, and commits sodomy with the boy after the marriage, as a precaution, they will become haraam for him.
wesley

Southwest Brevard Cnty, FL

#38344 Apr 2, 2013
MalbarCACA Controllers wrote:
<quoted text>
Who cares?
^^^^Sorry about that, that nic was used to annoy a Mauritian troll attacking our Australian forum which includes the one attacking me and as well as to get the troll away from the Australian forum while using as many illogical fallacies as possibles to degrade him out.
More can be learnt via The Adelaidan and Aggrolite.
Come on MalbarCACA Roger - learn us.
yes,religion is at the core of a lot of things.they all say,MY TRUTH IS THE REAL TRUTH AND THE ONLY TRUTH,if you look back in the times of the bible,wow,they were even more violent then today if that is possible,in fact the human race is very violent,and it is hard to be peaceful when a religious country tries to shovel allah or any religion down your throat and then if you do not stand up and fight as a nation these mentally insane people will use it as a weakness and call jihad against the peaceful to,CONVERT,them to the so called true and only religion of god.most religion is mostly primitive dogma put here to control us.a lot of religious people like muslims are spiritualy corrupt and empty.now tell me,WHAT GOD,if any tells the people go forth and kill in my name,and commit unspeakable attrosities in my name,none unless this so called god is insane and/or evil.

Since: Apr 13

Brisbane, Australia

#38345 Apr 2, 2013
Is Allah the same god as the Christians? well lets compare there prophets shall we.

Mohammed Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)
Jesus Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)

mohummed said"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)
Jesus said "He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

mohummed Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)
Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)

mohummed Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus said "Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)

mohummed Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)

mohummed Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus Neither owned nor traded slaves.

mohummed Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)
Jesus Beheaded no one.

mohummedMurdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)

mohummed said"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Qur'an 2:194)
Jesus said "If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)

mohummed said Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)
Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)

mohummed Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)
Jesus Was celibate.

mohummed Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)
Jesus Did not have sex with children.

mohummed Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus Never harmed a woman.

mohummed said"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 9:123)
Jesus said"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)

mohummed Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )
Jesus Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.

mohummed Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus Never took captives.Never killed anyone.

mohummed Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)
Jesus Never encouraged rape.Never enslaved women.

mohummed Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Qur'an 8:41)
Jesus"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)

mohummed Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.

mohummed said"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Qur'an 8:39)
Jesus said "Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)

mohummed Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)
Jesus Healed a blind man (Mark 8:28)

mohummed Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)
Jesus Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)

mohummed said What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)
Jesus said What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)

mohummed Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or demanded from others in tribute.
Jesus Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.

mohummed Advocated crucifying others.
(Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)
Jesus Was crucified himself.

mohummed According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)
Jesus According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#38346 Apr 2, 2013
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

We Are at War (Contd.)
The War on Terror exploits the tragedy of September 11 for the benefit of a very few.

By Johnny Barber
“We are at War. Somebody is Going to Pay.” George W. Bush, Sept 11th, 2001.

The growth in the heroin trade coupled with the despair of daily living has contributed to an eruption of drug addiction. Addicts can be found huddled under bridges throughout Kabul. As these men succumb to addiction, their families are left to fend for themselves. Heroin floods the streets of Europe and Russia. Which banks benefit from the enormous cash flows generated by the heroin trade? Who in the Afghan government benefits?

The corruption is mind-boggling. We support terrorist elements, most recently in Syria and Libya, but before that in Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Afghanistan, and then find ourselves fighting them down the road. In a reversal of our usual modus operandi, it has come to light that during the Bush years the CIA tortured numerous members of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), an armed Islamist Group that had worked to overthrow Gaddafi for 20 years, before transferring them to Gaddafi’s regime for further torture. Some of these same fighters rendered and tortured by America and Libya now hold key leadership posts in the “liberated” Libya.

Private interests in Saudi Arabia continue to fund Sunni extremists around the world. Wikileaks released a Dec. 2009 cable from the State Department that complained that Saudi donors remain the primary financiers of militant groups like Al-Qaeda. In May 2010, the Sunday Times of London revealed that the Afghan Financial Intelligence Unit, FinTRACA, reported that since 2006 at least 1.5 billion dollars from Saudi Arabia was funneled to the Taliban in Afghanistan, with Al-Qaeda withholding a cut for their delivery services. Why is there no outcry from the U.S.?

In 2011 overseas weapons sales by the United States totaled $66.3 billion, or more than three-quarters of the global arms market. Russia was second, with $4.8 billion in deals. Who benefits from the War on Terror and who benefits when America threatens war?

Over half of the sales, or $33.4 billion, consisted of arms sales to Saudi Arabia. These sales included F-15 fighter jets, dozens of Apache and Black Hawk helicopters, as well as an array of missiles, bombs and delivery systems, as well as accessories such as night-vision goggles and radar warning systems. These sales offset the flow of US dollars to pay for Saudi oil, and this explains why there is no outrage directed toward the Saudi regime.

The War on Terror exploits the tragedy of September 11 for the benefit of a very few. Poor people continue to pay an enormous price, while the elites, including our own government and the corporations it answers to, ignore everything but the influx of cash into their coffers. The war business is profitable if you refuse to count the cost of human lives.

MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#38347 Apr 2, 2013
In his acceptance speech for the Democratic nomination for President, Obama said,“Our destinies are bound together. A freedom which only asks what’s in it for me, a freedom without a commitment to others, a freedom without love or charity, is unworthy of our founding ideals.” In closing, he said,“We travel together. We leave no one behind. We pull each other up.” Why is it our Presidents fail to include those they bomb in their lofty sentiments? The simple truth is our destinies are bound together with those who lie beyond the borders of our country as well.

A young, educated Afghan man, an advisor to Parliament, sees the corruption of his government and despairs. He asks me,“What is my share in this world?” He continues,“Absolutely nothing. And for my child, the same.” His voice trails off. We sit drinking tea as night comes on.

Johnny Barber is writing from Kabul where he is a guest of the Afghan Peace Volunteers in Kabul. To learn more, visit www.oneBrightpearl-jb.blogspot.com and www.oneBrightpearl.com
Conner

Winston Hills, Australia

#38348 Apr 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
In his acceptance speech for the Democratic nomination for President, Obama said,“Our destinies are bound together. A freedom which only asks what’s in it for me, a freedom without a commitment to others, a freedom without love or charity, is unworthy of our founding ideals.” In closing, he said,“We travel together. We leave no one behind. We pull each other up.” Why is it our Presidents fail to include those they bomb in their lofty sentiments? The simple truth is our destinies are bound together with those who lie beyond the borders of our country as well.
A young, educated Afghan man, an advisor to Parliament, sees the corruption of his government and despairs. He asks me,“What is my share in this world?” He continues,“Absolutely nothing. And for my child, the same.” His voice trails off. We sit drinking tea as night comes on.
Johnny Barber is writing from Kabul where he is a guest of the Afghan Peace Volunteers in Kabul. To learn more, visit www.oneBrightpearl-jb.blogspot.com and www.oneBrightpearl.com
We don't care what you say, but the fact remains Muslim country's are dysfunctional.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/02/p...

The rest is Hot Air.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#38349 Apr 2, 2013
Conner wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't care what you say, but the fact remains Muslim country's are dysfunctional.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/02/p...
The rest is Hot Air.
You only CARE about what you think of Muslims.

It does not matter, what are the realities.

This in indeed Hot air and nothing else.
Lucky Larry Silverstein

Toowoomba, Australia

#38350 Apr 3, 2013
Muslims are the dirt under my shoes.

Israel will take Gaza.
Conner

Naracoorte, Australia

#38351 Apr 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You only CARE about what you think of Muslims.
It does not matter, what are the realities.
This in indeed Hot air and nothing else.
"You only CARE about what you think of Muslims."

A. I don't care about Muslims, I care about how Muslims try to change our Australian laid back way of life.

"It does not matter, what are the realities."

A. Realities do matter, where you get that idea is beyond belief.

"This in indeed Hot air and nothing else."

A. The HOT AIR is what we want to avoid. We don't want our city's to become like yours. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013...
Kafir

Malmö, Sweden

#38352 Apr 3, 2013
Thanks Jake Bradock for exposing Mr. Mo as one who comes to steal, kill and destroy.

Even for the unlearned it’s clear who it is that just got exposed.
Jake Bradock wrote:
Is Allah the same god as the Christians? well lets compare there prophets shall we...
Serpent

Calgary, Canada

#38353 Apr 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You only CARE about what you think of Muslims.
It does not matter, what are the realities.
This in indeed Hot air and nothing else.
MUQ, after over 38,000 Posts, don't you understand nobody likes Muslims.

The West does not like Muslims, they do not want Muslims in their countries and they wish Muslims would just stay in the sh^thole countries that they built for themselves!!

And don't come to Western Forums to tell us how great you muslims are!! You Muslims have shown us westerners that your just a bunch of useless barbarians that like to have western people to look after you..

Since: Apr 13

Australia

#38354 Apr 3, 2013
MUQ, your time would be better spent preching to your fellow muslims around the world perverting the intention of your religion rather than trying to justify to us why we should concider islam given all the destruction, rapeing and killing done in its name.

You try to convince us of our evils whilst holding a far greater evil up to us to lure us in.....for shame.
Gerrard

Darwin, Australia

#38355 Apr 3, 2013
MUQ As usual, what can we expect from the the children of Bad upbringing,

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/09
/16/1226475/221579-sydney-riot .jpg

Detective Inspector Paul Arnold said the thieves, believed to be of Mediterranean or Middle Eastern appearance, targeted Ms Timson because she was pregnant.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/ba...

We don't want Criminal Racists here.
Gerrard

Darwin, Australia

#38356 Apr 3, 2013
Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

The court heard Elomar was among a group of 20 men - including an armed man - who assaulted Juicylicious juice bar owner Ali Issawi on June 28. He also threatened to burn down the juice bar

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ahmed-e...

Jail the Criminal.
penguin poop

Kansas City, MO

#38357 Apr 3, 2013
Most crimes are commited by ethnics and yet they make up a small amount of the total population.

Since: Apr 13

Brisbane, Australia

#38359 Apr 3, 2013
Yet another Islamic cleric recently made it permissible for the Islamic fighters waging a jihad in Syria—politely known as “the opposition”—to rape the nation’s women.


‘Ajlawni: Justifying rape in Islam’s name

Salafi Sheikh Yasir al-‘Ajlawni, a Jordanian of origin who earlier lived in Damascus, Syria for 17 years, posted a YouTube video last week where he said he was preparing to issue a “legitimate fatwa” making it legal (in the eyes of Islam) for those Muslims fighting to topple secular president Bashar Assad and install Sharia law to “capture and have sex with” all non-Sunni women, specifically naming Assad’s own sect, the Alawites, as well as the Druze and several others, in short, all non-Sunnis and non-Muslims.

The sheikh used Islam’s legitimate Arabic term for these hapless, non-Muslim women, melk al-yamin, a phrase that appears in Islam’s sacred book, the Koran, and which is simply a reference to non-Muslim sex-slaves. For example, Koran 4:3 commands Muslim men to “Marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four… or what your right hands possess.” Islam’s ulema, or “scholars,” are unanimously agreed that “what your right hands possess” is, according to Islamic law, simply a sex-slave. Linguistic evidence further suggests that she is seen more as an animal or a possession than a human—hence this inhuman fatwa.

Jordanian Sheih Yasir al-‘Ajlawni is certainly not the first cleric to legitimize the rape of infidel women in recent times. Calls to capture and rape non-Muslim women are appearing with increasing frequency from all corners of the Islamic world.

A few months earlier, Saudi preacher Muhammad al-Arifi also issued a fatwa allowing jihadi fighters to engage in “intercourse marriage” with captive Syrian women that lasts for a few hours “in order to give each fighter a turn”—also known as gang-rape.

Then there is Egyptian Sheikh Ishaq Huwaini, who once lectured on how infidel captives, or to use another term from the Koran, ghanima, the “spoils of war,” are to be distributed among the jihadis and taken to “the slave market, where slave-girls and concubines are sold.” He, too, referred to such women as “what your right hands possess,” saying:“You go to the market and buy her, and she becomes like your legal mate—though without a contract, a guardian, or any of that stuff—and this is agreed upon by the ulema…. In other words, when I want a sex-slave, I go to the market and pick whichever female I desire and buy her.”

Indeed, even some Muslim women advocate the enslavement and rape of fellow (non-Muslim) women. Kuwaiti political activist, Salwa al-Mutairi, for instance, is working to see the institution of sex-slavery return. In a video she posted online, she explained how she once asked Islam’s greatest authorities living in the city of Mecca, the city of Islam, about the legality of sex-slavery and how they all confirmed it to be perfectly legitimate. According to Mutairi:


A Muslim state must [first] attack a Christian state—sorry, I mean any non-Muslim state—and they [the women, the future sex-slaves] must be captives of the raid. Is this forbidden? Not at all; according to Islam, sex slaves are not at all forbidden. Quite the contrary, the rules regulating sex-slaves differ from those for free women [i.e., Muslim women]: the latter’s body must be covered entirely, except for her face and hands, whereas the sex-slave is kept naked from the bellybutton on up—she is different from the free woman; the free woman has to be married properly to her husband, but the sex-slave—he just buys her and that’s that.

Since: Apr 13

Brisbane, Australia

#38360 Apr 3, 2013
Theres another difference between Christianity and islam.

A preacher cant call a fatwa to all Christians allowing them to rape innocent women because even the stupidest Christian knows its agains the laws of Christianity.

Yet muslim clerics all around the world are calling there followers to do the vilest things in the name of there religion.

Now....some muslims will try to tell us that rapeing women is not allowed , so where there out rage ? wheres there threats of retribution to the clerics who are perverting the image of there religion???

The answer is...there not perverting there religion, there practising it as muhummed commands

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