Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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MUQ

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Mar 5, 2013
 
Adeladian wrote:
01. My point is that there are not one, but TWO events that defy everything that rational observation tells us ... the Trinity, and the Ascension. Christianity subscribes to both, but even Islam subscribes to one of these.

02. So Islam can hardly lay claim to a monopoly on sane and rational belief.

03. The ONLY way that solid physical objects (including Human bodies) detach from the ground and ascend without man-made apparatus, is via a spectacular natural event such as a Tornado. And if a Tornado had lifted Jesus aloft then you and I can be sure that THAT would have been enthusiastically reported in Scripture! It was not reported.

04. Sorry MUQ, but no matter how pious any person may be they cannot legitimately expect to dive for refuge behind the claim that "God can do anything". That is an intellectually lazy cop-out. The Laws of Physics are Universal and utterly uncompromising. NO exceptions to them are EVER made.

05. The modern version of Jesus' "Ascension" would be StarTrek's "Beam me up, Scotty". Everyone knows that is Science Fiction and will never be anything else, because Laws of Physics simply cannot be harnessed in such a way without destroying the object being 'transported'.

06. Faith is all very well, but there comes a point where reality comes surging in and cannot be denied.

07. I agree that many man-made "interpretations" may have over-decorated Scriptures of all religions. But even if all of those aberrations were successfully stripped away, what would be left would still be riddled with fundamental errors. Humanity will not mature until we all face up to that fact, unpleasing though it would be for many of us.
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Here are my "short answers" to points mentioned in your post.

A. Trinity and Ascension:

There is no connection between Trinity and ascension. Ascension is mentioned in both Gospels and Quran, so it is true.

Trinity was neither taught by Jesus, and Quran also rejects it, so it is a fallacy. And a fallacy shall not become a truth, irrespective of how many times you repeat it.

B. How Jesus was taken up:

The true answer is, "We do not know"!! You and your Tornado theory is cultivation of your own mind.

What we say is "God took him up"? How? We do not know.

This is most reasonable course of action. Allah Knows best.

C. God can do Anything:

No Muslim says that God can do Anything. Quran says "God has Power over all things".

"All things" here means every Creation.

There are "many things" that God cannot do.

God does what He Wills and what He wishes!!

D. faith and Science:

In fact there is no contradiction between the two. True faith has nothing which goes against Science.

But there are "zealots" amongst both the communities that try to create conflict and pit one against the other.

There is nothing in Quran that contradicts science and there can never be. It is human interpretations which are wrong and some people want to be "dogmatic about their interpretations"

This is the "whole story of fight between science and religion"…..unless of course if the "books itself have human elements in them" like Most books of OT and NT!!

Allah knows best.
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Mar 5, 2013
 
The Holy Quran says God raised him up does not mean Jesus will physically fly on a cloud into heaven, it means God will raise Jesus rank , meaning people will start respecting him like what the Christians are doing , they turned him into a God ! We Ahmadi Muslims believe Jesus died a natural death and his grave is in Kashmir India .
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Mar 5, 2013
 
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CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WHITE PEOPLE BEHAVE LIKE PAUL BERNARDO AND KARLA HOMOLKA?
You sound like a little sissy who talks tought online but who slink around like a hyena at night too afraid to actually say your garbage to anyone's face you little coward. Run along. Beat it! Scram!! The mental hospital know you are awol!!! LOLLLLL


You seem to have all the answers gutter mouth, why don't you answer Geppetto's questions ?. I think your all the names you call people you hate filled nobody.

“Free Speeech in a Free World ”

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Lineage to the Prophet:
I already mentioned that Prophet did not have any male surviving child. So any one having "direct lineage" to prophet is impossible.
However there are hundreds of thousands of people who have lineage to the Grandsons of Prophet , Hassan and Husain, who were sons of his daughter Fatima and his cousin Ali.
This is as close as any one can get to the lineage of prophet.
But what is the "greatness" if only you have your lineage in millions? The prophet is loved and revered by billions of humans all round the earth, every one ready to sacrifice their lives on him.
What better descendents could one wish for?
Secular and Non Secular "Muslim" country:
In Islam there is nothing like "Church and State" as we have in Christianity.
Islam gives directions for all walks of life and no Islamic state can make any law which violates the teachings of Quran and sayings and action of our beloved prophet.
These so called "Muslim Secular states" are trying to ride in two boats.
They want to follow the Western laws, while still claiming that they are Muslims.
It is a hypocritic way of living, nothing else.
They are not truthful to any of them, because there is conflict every now and then between Islamic teachings and the western way of living and they have to choose one of them…every day…many times each day
You truelly must be what is described as a "mad Mullah" for you would "look down" upon a fellow Muslim who exists in a secular State of Islam.

This is apartheid pure and simple and discrimination Islam style.

Your Islam is no different to the anglo for whom you despice so well.

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Truth wrote:
The Holy Quran says God raised him up does not mean Jesus will physically fly on a cloud into heaven, it means God will raise Jesus rank , meaning people will start respecting him like what the Christians are doing , they turned him into a God ! We Ahmadi Muslims believe Jesus died a natural death and his grave is in Kashmir India .
I can go with that because of his travels that were writen of, by someone who could write .
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Yeah, the same mistake which South Africa did when they scrapped their policy of Apartheid.
The same mistake which Canada did when they accepted Multi Culterism.
The "same mistake" which Israel is avoiding by keeping "Only Jews" in their Land of Pure!!
Best of luck to you, racists!!
PS:
I wonder, if you are descendents of same people, who went to every country in the world and established their rule there.
They were not afraid of living in foreign land surrounded by "natives".
And you are afraid of 10, 15 % of "natives" living in your land?
Problem is that you only know how to "take" and not how to "give"!!
First of all Achmet ...onkwehonwehneha sata:ti scumbag. I never said anything about native americans or aboriginals IDIOT! Most crimes commited here by minorities statisical fact,most terrorist acts commited by muslims statistical fact. If you can not handle the truth TOO BAD for YOU and YOURS. It's not that all Muslim are terrorists it's just that all terrorists are Muslim,so screw you and your religion!
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Aliroger1 wrote:
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CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WHITE PEOPLE BEHAVE LIKE PAUL BERNARDO AND KARLA HOMOLKA?
You sound like a little sissy who talks tought online but who slink around like a hyena at night too afraid to actually say your garbage to anyone's face you little coward. Run along. Beat it! Scram!! The mental hospital know you are awol!!! LOLLLLL
Can you please explain why minorities have gangs, take over neighbourhoods ,shoot people at random to be able to join the gang?

You sound like the type that supports such things,shooting people when their backs are turned or killing innocent children in your neighbourhood...WHAT A BRAVE SCUMBAG YOU ARE ..LOOOOOLLLL! Careful now the police are watching you ASSH**E
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Aliroger1 wrote:
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CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WHITE PEOPLE BEHAVE LIKE PAUL BERNARDO AND KARLA HOMOLKA?
You sound like a little sissy who talks tought online but who slink around like a hyena at night too afraid to actually say your garbage to anyone's face you little coward. Run along. Beat it! Scram!! The mental hospital know you are awol!!! LOLLLLL
Sorry Aliroger1,left out people who hijack planes and kill thousands, and you talk about a mental hospital...LOL
Truth

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Its not that all Muslims are terrorist its just that Western countries keep messing with Muslims .
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What control have I over "my Muslim brethren" in Australia?
Do to them what you did to those poor aborigines!!
After all you were a nation of prisoners and cutthroats once!!
And yet MUQ, even a nation of prisoners and cutthroats has evolved into healthy beakon of social tollerence and a level of living that is the envy of the muslim world judgeing by wave of muslims killing themselves to get here.

How is it a nation of cutthroats has done a better job of creating a nation than any nation created by the people of mohummed ?

Could it be that the one true god has helped the people of the one true religion ? christianity ?

allah has forsaken you and your people delivering only pain and horror, turn your heart to jesus and join us in all his love and riches.
Live in the light of jesus`s glory and remove yourself from the shadows of the deceit of islam.....
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Good point,I ask minorities here in Canada the same question and get no answers,except I am racist or your people invaded this land,thats about the best they can do. In NO WAY can they give you a reasonable answer to YOUR QUESTIONS.
I don't like Islamic people because,

1. They are deceitful people ( any one that reads this post can see that )

2. They are racist and sexist.

3. They can't get along with anyone.( they can't even live with each other )

A good judge of a person is how they treat their family.

A good judge of a country is how they treat there PEOPLE.
Liam

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Truth wrote:
Its not that all Muslims are terrorist its just that Western countries keep messing with Muslims .
++++ You are a Liar ++++

Muslims Hate Muslims with a such passion to the point of Blowing Each Others Children's arms and legs off in public.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/03/p...
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/74227-suic...
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/05/29194...

Three different Muslim country's three different Murderous Muslims organizations killing their own people.

You will rot in in HELL

++++ You are a Liar ++++
MUQ

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Mar 5, 2013
 
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Those poor aborigines would cut you throat just by looking at them in the time line you speak of.

Are you not a prisoner within Islam that you must do as you have been indoctrinated into much like young boys in Madrases ?

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How come Muslims live within Israel and receive the same educational prospects ?
You must be racist

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t is amazing how many Lebanese drug dealers have been reported as being in Australia
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Aborigines and their Rights:

01. If you look at it dispassionately, those aborigines had "every right" to do whatever they could do, because it were you people who went to occupy their land and drive them out of their homes and lands where they were living since time immemorial.

02. Think, you are living in this country for only a couple of centuries, what would YOU do if some one came to drive you out of your own homes?

03. Would you not use, army, navy, airforce, missiles, tanks, Bombs, Drones, Nuclear, Biological and Chemical and any other weapons which you could get?

And you would send the captured enemy to GITMO, ABU GHURAIB and whatever prison that you can reach.

04. Why there should be different rules for civilized people like you and those "Non Civilized people"?

05, What you did to Aborigines of Australia, your cousins did the same to Red Indians of North and South America and Eskimos of Canada.

06. And when they went to some big nations of Asia and Africa, they turned them into either as "slave colony" (mostly in Africa) or used them as source of cheap resources and ready market for your industrial out puts.

07. Muslim rule of 700 years in Spain and 1000 Years in India, did not diminish their national wealth. But in 100-150 Years the British suck all Indian wealth to England and when they were "forced to leave"….India was a "poor" third world country.

That is the difference between Islamic rule and White Person's rule!!

B. Only Exception

08. I think the "Only aborigines" (when actually they were not aborigines by any means) which "All Western Nations" agreed to gather from all over the world and settle them into one place was no other than Jews!!

09. And they use every illogical reasoning, tolerate every type of injustice, mischief, tyranny, to justify their "illegal rule" over those lands.

C. Muslims in Isreal:

10. You ask them how they are treated? I Look at how Muslims are treated in their "own lands" of West Bank and Gaza?

11. Are you still not convinced that their life is "as if they are living in virtual paradise" on this earth?

12. May be they do not know the daily killings, beatings, demolition of houses, night searches, and Economic Blockade (and not even allowing International aid to reach to them).

13. I never knew how people's heart turn to stones when they are biased, until I see your people's "unflinching support" for that Zionist state of Israel.

D, Lebanese Smugglers in Australia:

I have no info on that. If you have, inform Interpol.

But first make sure that NONE of them are Jews or Christians,(Because many Jews and Christians also live in Lebanon)
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Sorry Aliroger1,left out people who hijack planes and kill thousands, and you talk about a mental hospital...LOL
YOU HAVE MUCH TO BE SORRY ABOUT, YOU SORRY LOSER!!!!

Why do you think Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka are okay? Are you sick? Yes you are!!! As for flying planes, your sneaky attempts to refer to your hero Col Russell Williams is disgusting!!! Your posters of that pervert murderer-rapist posting in the teen girl lingerie is plain sick!!! Run along you pervert! And don't even think of defending Tom Flanagan and his NAMBLA membership!!! LOLLLLL
MUQ

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

On Drugs and Democracy

By Inge Fryklund (Contd.)

Citizens of these countries have no voice in the matter. Their leaders’ acquiescence to U.S. policies undercuts electoral accountability, and corruption of their police and courts undermines the rule of law. We have compromised democracy in our own hemisphere.

In Afghanistan, we have failed to connect the dots between drugs and corruption. At the July 2012 donors’ conference in Tokyo, donor after donor urged President Karzai to combat corruption. However, as long as we insist on the illegality of poppy, we are making a demand that cannot possibly be met.

A country that supplies 80-90 percent of the world’s demand for poppy products must necessarily be corrupt.

To move the heroin, opium, and marijuana from field to market, officials and police can demand payment to look the other way (or engage in the trade themselves). The import of chemicals for processing requires the cooperation of customs and border police. Even the poppy eradication process itself has been corrupted, as officials target the fields of rivals while protecting their own. And any eradication in one area inevitably pushes production to another, simply pushing a bubble around in a balloon.

Afghan citizens are well aware of the suitcases full of dollars that leave Kabul Airport every day for Dubai. While kickbacks from development and military contracts are undoubtedly involved, drug profits in particular have to be moved out of the country.

In Helmand Province, district chief of police positions are reportedly purchased for sums as high as $150,000 (and that is only the initial payment, not the yearly “rent”), and the chief expects to recoup his investment.

District governors, appointed by the president, are merely shifted in musical-chairs fashion around the province when citizens or the U.S. military complains about corruption.

The Karzai government has also chosen not to implement those provisions of the 2004 Afghan constitution that call for the election of mayors and district and city councils. Instead, these councils do not exist, and all local officials report to the president. One can only imagine that all these officials are in place for a reason. For example, the mayor of Kandahar, a city of 800,000, is a presidential appointee, not answerable to local citizens. As a result, prior to his assassination in 2011, the president’s brother, Ahmed Wali Karzai, had a free hand in managing affairs in Kandahar province. As in Latin America, democratic accountability is the loser. The money at stake is so overwhelming that honest and accountable government cannot be implemented without changing the drug nexus. The incentives are just too strong.
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Liam wrote:
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++++ You are a Liar ++++
Muslims Hate Muslims with a such passion to the point of Blowing Each Others Children's arms and legs off in public.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/03/p...
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/74227-suic...
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/05/29194...
Three different Muslim country's three different Murderous Muslims organizations killing their own people.
You will rot in in HELL
++++ You are a Liar ++++
WORLD WARS ONE AND TWO WHITE CHRISTIANS MURDERING WHITE CHRISTIANS

You were saying? LOLLL Run along you little nincu'mpoop!!!
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Geppetto wrote:
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I don't like Islamic people because,
1. They are deceitful people ( any one that reads this post can see that )
2. They are racist and sexist.
3. They can't get along with anyone.( they can't even live with each other )
A good judge of a person is how they treat their family.
A good judge of a country is how they treat there PEOPLE.
You miss Mussolini huh. Scram you idiot.
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Aliroger1 wrote:
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YOU HAVE MUCH TO BE SORRY ABOUT, YOU SORRY LOSER!!!!
Why do you think Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka are okay? Are you sick? Yes you are!!! As for flying planes, your sneaky attempts to refer to your hero Col Russell Williams is disgusting!!! Your posters of that pervert murderer-rapist posting in the teen girl lingerie is plain sick!!! Run along you pervert! And don't even think of defending Tom Flanagan and his NAMBLA membership!!! LOLLLLL
I never said they we OK...but it seems you are VERY INTERESTED in them....INTERESTING! As for the planes that hit the world trade centers I do believe it was Achmet and Acmet Jr in one plane and Allah and MoHAMmed in the other. You seem to know more than anyone else about Perverts and Rapiste etc. OH I get it these are your family members (LOL).Run along Muslim and build some more bombs and have your children blow themselves up,because they parents are not adult enough or BRAVE enough to do it themselves. Instead they sacrifice their kids ..YOU GUTLESS BASTARDS,may the pervert ALLAH be praised.(LOL)

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Aliroger1 wrote:
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WORLD WARS ONE AND TWO WHITE CHRISTIANS MURDERING WHITE CHRISTIANS
You were saying? LOLLL Run along you little nincu'mpoop!!!
Ignoramus - WW1 was a fratricidal war which doesn't concern you, look in your own backyard and see Muslims murdering each other. The largest killer of Muslims is other Muslims.

WW2 included many non white non Christian countries, or maybe you're unaware of the Japanese rampage through Asia, their proposed invasion of Australia and their attack on the US.

Maybe you're unaware of the Arab Muslim slave trade in Africa, established long before the first white man set foot on the continent.

Maybe you're unaware of the Arab slave trade in white European captives.

Maybe you're unaware of the repeated attempts to invade Europe by various would be Muslim conquerors, or the Muslim occupation of Spain for cenuries.

Maybe you're unaware of the detsruction of the Christian Middle East by Mohammed and his band of looters.

And maybe you're unaware of the criminal behaviour of so many Muslim immigrants in the West - which is why Muslims are the most despised group in all Western countries.
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Aliroger1 wrote:
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WORLD WARS ONE AND TWO WHITE CHRISTIANS MURDERING WHITE CHRISTIANS
You were saying? LOLLL Run along you little nincu'mpoop!!!
Muslims are scum bags, nobody likes them, no western country wants them, they are terrible people, wherever they go they cause problems and they make no effort to contribute to the society of the western country that they go to.
Keep them out of western countries, let them learn to build their own countries rather than letting them tuck their tails between their legs and allowing them to slitter into western countries!!

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