Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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01. I do not have a full time internet connection. I download all the messages in the mornings and then post my replies in the evening.
02. In Islam there are no separation between religion, culture, politics and trade.
Islam is a single system that deals with all these aspects.
It is not a religion in the sense western people use it, it is a way of life.
A way of life that is based on teachings of Quran and sayings and action of Our prophet and his companions..
So the phrase "political Islam" is unknown to Muslims.
Why then is there a difference within Islam that sees some countries following your ancient past in all facets of their lives as you say and others who separate into a secular government that you are all one of the same ?

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01. Yes we Rubbish the concept of Trinity (Holy or Unholy), because Jesus never taught or believed in it. It was a Pagan concept that crept into Christianity because of that "self appointed 13th Apostle of Jesus Christ" whom people know as St. Paul.
02. We do not explain "how" God took up Jesus into heavens. He is the Creator of Universe and He can get things done the way He wants it.
If you cannot assume that One who moves Galaxies and Stars and Cosmos, CANNOT get His prophet and messenger away from earth, then YOU have a very limited understanding of His powers.
03. I can say that beliefs and teachings of ALL prophets of God were rational and reasonable. But since their followers, inserted their own teachings into it (like Trinity , Divinity and Original Sin, which St. Paul inserted into Christianity)…. So they became unreasonable.
Since teachings of Islam are available in their purest form, so Islam is the ONLY religion on the face of earth now, which has rational and reasonable teachings and beliefs.
04. Which way is Up and which is Down, is known to the Creator of the Universe. You need not have to explain that to Him!!
My point is that there are not one, but TWO events that defy everything that rational observation tells us ... the Trinity, and the Ascension. Christianity subscribes to both, but even Islam subscribes to one of these.

So Islam can hardly lay claim to a monopoly on sane and rational belief.

The ONLY way that solid physical objects (including Human bodies) detach from the ground and ascend without man-made apparatus, is via a spectacular natural event such as a Tornado. And if a Tornado had lifted Jesus aloft then you and I can be sure that THAT would have been enthusiastically reported in Scripture! It was not reported.

Sorry MUQ, but no matter how pious any person may be they cannot legitimately expect to dive for refuge behind the claim that "God can do anything". That is an intellectually lazy cop-out. The Laws of Physics are Universal and utterly uncompromising. NO exceptions to them are EVER made.

The modern version of Jesus' "Ascension" would be StarTrek's "Beam me up, Scotty". Everyone knows that is Science Fiction and will never be anything else, because Laws of Physics simply cannot be harnessed in such a way without destroying the object being 'transported'.

Faith is all very well, but there comes a point where reality comes surging in and cannot be denied.

I agree that many man-made "interpretations" may have over-decorated Scriptures of all religions. But even if all of those aberrations were successfully stripped away, what would be left would still be riddled with fundamental errors. Humanity will not mature until we all face up to that fact, unpleasing though it would be for many of us.

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Islam will guide you to the truth and help you forget the Evil Australian way.
Join Islam before you all die.
How can you as a Muslim live in such an evil country like Australia,why don't you return to wherever you came from so you can feel much safer ?
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How can you as a Muslim live in such an evil country like Australia,why don't you return to wherever you came from so you can feel much safer ?
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I will pay his passage if he signs a piece of paper, in the event he ever returns back to Australia he pays me back double.
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01. Yes we Rubbish the concept of Trinity (Holy or Unholy), because Jesus never taught or believed in it. It was a Pagan concept that crept into Christianity because of that "self appointed 13th Apostle of Jesus Christ" whom people know as St. Paul.
02. We do not explain "how" God took up Jesus into heavens. He is the Creator of Universe and He can get things done the way He wants it.
If you cannot assume that One who moves Galaxies and Stars and Cosmos, CANNOT get His prophet and messenger away from earth, then YOU have a very limited understanding of His powers.
03. I can say that beliefs and teachings of ALL prophets of God were rational and reasonable. But since their followers, inserted their own teachings into it (like Trinity , Divinity and Original Sin, which St. Paul inserted into Christianity)…. So they became unreasonable.
Since teachings of Islam are available in their purest form, so Islam is the ONLY religion on the face of earth now, which has rational and reasonable teachings and beliefs.
04. Which way is Up and which is Down, is known to the Creator of the Universe. You need not have to explain that to Him!!
MUQ you better tell your filthy muslim brothers to stop threatening australians, because sadly, we will bury them.
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And look at these so called "experts" speaking about me, Every "specialist" has a different opinion!!
That is what Quran says about truth and falsehood. While Truth is one, falsehoods are many.
And Quran speaks about Light and Darkness. Light is one and Darkness are many.
And Quran says that Allah (God, YHWH, Ishvar) in ONE and gods are many!!
And these posts of experts confirm it. Every one writing from his / her assumptions whatever comes into their minds.
MUQ, you talk about falsehoods yet your religion permits falshoods, why would we consider your religion when Jesus permits no lies under any cercumstances?
Are Muslims permitted to lie?
Summary Answer:
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
The Qur'an:
Qur'an (16:106)- Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Qur'an (3:28)- This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."
Qur'an (9:3)- "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Qur'an (40:28)- A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Qur'an (2:225)- "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.
Qur'an (66:2)- "Allah has already ordained for you,(O men), the dissolution of your oaths"
Qur'an (3:54)- "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same.(See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (52:269)- "The Prophet said,'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).
Bukhari (49:857)- "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
Bukhari (84:64-65)- Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."
Muslim (32:6303)- "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."
Bukhari (50:369)- Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.
From Islamic Law:
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Auatralia your biggest mistake was getiing rid of your all white policy.
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Sitting with filth wrote:
Islam will guide you to the truth and help you forget the Evil Australian way.
Join Islam before you all die.
This will stump you my dear son, these are incredibly hard questions for any Muslims to answer, I haven't come across one yet that can.

Q 1,

Why are living in a Christian Country ?

Q 2,

What great Muslim nation are you proud of ?

Q 3,

If it so horrible living the Australian Way, why don't you migrate / return to your peace loving Muslim homeland.

Take as many months/years as you require to reply to these questions, like the rest of your Muslim counterparts.
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This will stump you my dear son, these are incredibly hard questions for any Muslims to answer, I haven't come across one yet that can.
Q 1,
Why are living in a Christian Country ?
Q 2,
What great Muslim nation are you proud of ?
Q 3,
If it so horrible living the Australian Way, why don't you migrate / return to your peace loving Muslim homeland.
Take as many months/years as you require to reply to these questions, like the rest of your Muslim counterparts.
Good point,I ask minorities here in Canada the same question and get no answers,except I am racist or your people invaded this land,thats about the best they can do. In NO WAY can they give you a reasonable answer to YOUR QUESTIONS.
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MUQ, you talk about falsehoods yet your religion permits falshoods, why would we consider your religion when Jesus permits no lies under any cercumstances?
Are Muslims permitted to lie?
Summary Answer:
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
The Qur'an:
Qur'an (16:106)- Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Qur'an (3:28)- This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."
Qur'an (9:3)- "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Qur'an (40:28)- A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Qur'an (2:225)- "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.
Qur'an (66:2)- "Allah has already ordained for you,(O men), the dissolution of your oaths"
Qur'an (3:54)- "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same.(See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (52:269)- "The Prophet said,'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).
Bukhari (49:857)- "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
Bukhari (84:64-65)- Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."
Muslim (32:6303)- "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."
Bukhari (50:369)- Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.
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MUQ you better tell your filthy muslim brothers to stop threatening australians, because sadly, we will bury them.
What control have I over "my Muslim brethren" in Australia?

Do to them what you did to those poor aborigines!!

After all you were a nation of prisoners and cutthroats once!!
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On Drugs and Democracy

By Inge Fryklund

Most importantly, the substantial and unanticipated costs of Prohibition were borne almost entirely by the United States. It was our own police and elected officials who were corrupted. It was our own cities afflicted by the criminal patronage networks battling over turf. We never attempted to force other countries to make the trade in alcohol illegal or participate in our war on alcohol.

The day after Prohibition was repealed, beer distributors no longer had to turn to the Mafia for enforcement of their franchise agreements. They took their disputes to court. The collateral violence largely stopped, and corrupt politicians and police suddenly lost a source of income. Product quality could be standardized. States could make individual decisions about regulating and taxing alcohol.

Of course, the social problems—particularly family violence—that were the ostensible reason for Prohibition continued, as they do to this day. My own experience as a prosecutor in Domestic Violence Court in Chicago in the 1980s is illustrative. If it hadn’t been for alcohol-related crimes, the court could have been closed. Alcohol had adverse effects on families that many other drugs did not have.

But by 1933, we had come to the realization that prohibition was an ineffective way to address abuse and indeed sidelined attempts to address alcoholism and family violence. There is still no simple solution to these problems, but we understood then that any response must directly address the problem. We as a society have come to terms with the inescapable downsides of a product that the public insists on having but that is subject to abuse. We have struck a balance since realizing that criminalizing the trade in alcohol only made everything worse.
Exporting the Problem

Federal statute criminalized narcotics beginning in 1914. There was no nationwide public advocacy campaign as there was leading up to Prohibition. Legislation seems to have been driven primarily by racial fears—of “cocaine-crazed Negroes” raping white women and “Chinamen” in California both using opium and seducing white women into becoming opium addicts. Perhaps there was political value in coming out against the evil of drug use by disfavored groups when it seemed costless to do so.

But we now know a great deal about the worldwide costs in violence, crime, and corruption of making drugs illegal. If the downsides of our drug policy are now so clear, why haven’t drugs (opium and heroin as well as marijuana) been legalized? Why is the calculation different from that made vis a vis ending Prohibition?

After spending more than four years in Afghanistan and seeing first-hand the impact of our drug policies—consequences most Americans never see—I have come to the conclusion that we persist on this course primarily because the costs of our drug policies are borne by other countries, not by us. In contrast with our experience under Prohibition, the corruption of American police and politicians by the drug trade is a relatively minor problem. Demand within the United States is just not high enough to necessitate much bribery.

The serious corruption is instead all on the production end, and this we have succeeded in outsourcing to foreign countries. Our war on drugs is fought on the territories of countries such as Colombia, Honduras, and Mexico. The headless bodies in Mexico barely make the inside pages of American newspapers (imagine if dozens of mutilated bodies were dumped in suburban Maryland). We have requisitioned foreign turf for our war on drugs.
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Auatralia your biggest mistake was getiing rid of your all white policy.
Yeah, the same mistake which South Africa did when they scrapped their policy of Apartheid.

The same mistake which Canada did when they accepted Multi Culterism.

The "same mistake" which Israel is avoiding by keeping "Only Jews" in their Land of Pure!!

Best of luck to you, racists!!

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I wonder, if you are descendents of same people, who went to every country in the world and established their rule there.

They were not afraid of living in foreign land surrounded by "natives".

And you are afraid of 10, 15 % of "natives" living in your land?

Problem is that you only know how to "take" and not how to "give"!!
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Good point,I ask minorities here in Canada the same question and get no answers,except I am racist or your people invaded this land,thats about the best they can do. In NO WAY can they give you a reasonable answer to YOUR QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WHITE PEOPLE BEHAVE LIKE PAUL BERNARDO AND KARLA HOMOLKA?

You sound like a little sissy who talks tought online but who slink around like a hyena at night too afraid to actually say your garbage to anyone's face you little coward. Run along. Beat it! Scram!! The mental hospital know you are awol!!! LOLLLLL

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What control have I over "my Muslim brethren" in Australia?
Do to them what you did to those poor aborigines!!
After all you were a nation of prisoners and cutthroats once!!
Those poor aborigines would cut you throat just by looking at them in the time line you speak of.
Are you not a prisoner within Islam that you must do as you have been indoctrinated into much like young boys in Madrases ?

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Yeah, the same mistake which South Africa did when they scrapped their policy of Apartheid.
The same mistake which Canada did when they accepted Multi Culterism.
The "same mistake" which Israel is avoiding by keeping "Only Jews" in their Land of Pure!!
Best of luck to you, racists!!
PS:
I wonder, if you are descendents of same people, who went to every country in the world and established their rule there.
They were not afraid of living in foreign land surrounded by "natives".
And you are afraid of 10, 15 % of "natives" living in your land?
Problem is that you only know how to "take" and not how to "give"!!
How come Muslims live within Israel and receive the same educational prospects ?
You must be racist

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On Drugs and Democracy
By Inge Fryklund
Most importantly, the substantial and unanticipated costs of Prohibition were borne almost entirely by the United States. It was our own police and elected officials who were corrupted. It was our own cities afflicted by the criminal patronage networks battling over turf. We never attempted to force other countries to make the trade in alcohol illegal or participate in our war on alcohol.
The day after Prohibition was repealed, beer distributors no longer had to turn to the Mafia for enforcement of their franchise agreements. They took their disputes to court. The collateral violence largely stopped, and corrupt politicians and police suddenly lost a source of income. Product quality could be standardized. States could make individual decisions about regulating and taxing alcohol.
Of course, the social problems—particularly family violence—that were the ostensible reason for Prohibition continued, as they do to this day. My own experience as a prosecutor in Domestic Violence Court in Chicago in the 1980s is illustrative. If it hadn’t been for alcohol-related crimes, the court could have been closed. Alcohol had adverse effects on families that many other drugs did not have.
But by 1933, we had come to the realization that prohibition was an ineffective way to address abuse and indeed sidelined attempts to address alcoholism and family violence. There is still no simple solution to these problems, but we understood then that any response must directly address the problem. We as a society have come to terms with the inescapable downsides of a product that the public insists on having but that is subject to abuse. We have struck a balance since realizing that criminalizing the trade in alcohol only made everything worse.
Exporting the Problem
Federal statute criminalized narcotics beginning in 1914. There was no nationwide public advocacy campaign as there was leading up to Prohibition. Legislation seems to have been driven primarily by racial fears—of “cocaine-crazed Negroes” raping white women and “Chinamen” in California both using opium and seducing white women into becoming opium addicts. Perhaps there was political value in coming out against the evil of drug use by disfavored groups when it seemed costless to do so.
But we now know a great deal about the worldwide costs in violence, crime, and corruption of making drugs illegal. If the downsides of our drug policy are now so clear, why haven’t drugs (opium and heroin as well as marijuana) been legalized? Why is the calculation different from that made vis a vis ending Prohibition?
After spending more than four years in Afghanistan and seeing first-hand the impact of our drug policies—consequences most Americans never see—I have come to the conclusion that we persist on this course primarily because the costs of our drug policies are borne by other countries, not by us. In contrast with our experience under Prohibition, the corruption of American police and politicians by the drug trade is a relatively minor problem. Demand within the United States is just not high enough to necessitate much bribery.
The serious corruption is instead all on the production end, and this we have succeeded in outsourcing to foreign countries. Our war on drugs is fought on the territories of countries such as Colombia, Honduras, and Mexico. The headless bodies in Mexico barely make the inside pages of American newspapers (imagine if dozens of mutilated bodies were dumped in suburban Maryland). We have requisitioned foreign turf for our war on drugs.
It is amazing how many Lebanese drug dealers have been reported as being in Australia

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