Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 20 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Aliroger1

Toronto, Canada

#37551 Mar 4, 2013
allan wrote:
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Good point,I ask minorities here in Canada the same question and get no answers,except I am racist or your people invaded this land,thats about the best they can do. In NO WAY can they give you a reasonable answer to YOUR QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WHITE PEOPLE BEHAVE LIKE PAUL BERNARDO AND KARLA HOMOLKA?

You sound like a little sissy who talks tought online but who slink around like a hyena at night too afraid to actually say your garbage to anyone's face you little coward. Run along. Beat it! Scram!! The mental hospital know you are awol!!! LOLLLLL

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37552 Mar 5, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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What control have I over "my Muslim brethren" in Australia?
Do to them what you did to those poor aborigines!!
After all you were a nation of prisoners and cutthroats once!!
Those poor aborigines would cut you throat just by looking at them in the time line you speak of.
Are you not a prisoner within Islam that you must do as you have been indoctrinated into much like young boys in Madrases ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37553 Mar 5, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Yeah, the same mistake which South Africa did when they scrapped their policy of Apartheid.
The same mistake which Canada did when they accepted Multi Culterism.
The "same mistake" which Israel is avoiding by keeping "Only Jews" in their Land of Pure!!
Best of luck to you, racists!!
PS:
I wonder, if you are descendents of same people, who went to every country in the world and established their rule there.
They were not afraid of living in foreign land surrounded by "natives".
And you are afraid of 10, 15 % of "natives" living in your land?
Problem is that you only know how to "take" and not how to "give"!!
How come Muslims live within Israel and receive the same educational prospects ?
You must be racist

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37554 Mar 5, 2013
MUQ wrote:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
On Drugs and Democracy
By Inge Fryklund
Most importantly, the substantial and unanticipated costs of Prohibition were borne almost entirely by the United States. It was our own police and elected officials who were corrupted. It was our own cities afflicted by the criminal patronage networks battling over turf. We never attempted to force other countries to make the trade in alcohol illegal or participate in our war on alcohol.
The day after Prohibition was repealed, beer distributors no longer had to turn to the Mafia for enforcement of their franchise agreements. They took their disputes to court. The collateral violence largely stopped, and corrupt politicians and police suddenly lost a source of income. Product quality could be standardized. States could make individual decisions about regulating and taxing alcohol.
Of course, the social problems—particularly family violence—that were the ostensible reason for Prohibition continued, as they do to this day. My own experience as a prosecutor in Domestic Violence Court in Chicago in the 1980s is illustrative. If it hadn’t been for alcohol-related crimes, the court could have been closed. Alcohol had adverse effects on families that many other drugs did not have.
But by 1933, we had come to the realization that prohibition was an ineffective way to address abuse and indeed sidelined attempts to address alcoholism and family violence. There is still no simple solution to these problems, but we understood then that any response must directly address the problem. We as a society have come to terms with the inescapable downsides of a product that the public insists on having but that is subject to abuse. We have struck a balance since realizing that criminalizing the trade in alcohol only made everything worse.
Exporting the Problem
Federal statute criminalized narcotics beginning in 1914. There was no nationwide public advocacy campaign as there was leading up to Prohibition. Legislation seems to have been driven primarily by racial fears—of “cocaine-crazed Negroes” raping white women and “Chinamen” in California both using opium and seducing white women into becoming opium addicts. Perhaps there was political value in coming out against the evil of drug use by disfavored groups when it seemed costless to do so.
But we now know a great deal about the worldwide costs in violence, crime, and corruption of making drugs illegal. If the downsides of our drug policy are now so clear, why haven’t drugs (opium and heroin as well as marijuana) been legalized? Why is the calculation different from that made vis a vis ending Prohibition?
After spending more than four years in Afghanistan and seeing first-hand the impact of our drug policies—consequences most Americans never see—I have come to the conclusion that we persist on this course primarily because the costs of our drug policies are borne by other countries, not by us. In contrast with our experience under Prohibition, the corruption of American police and politicians by the drug trade is a relatively minor problem. Demand within the United States is just not high enough to necessitate much bribery.
The serious corruption is instead all on the production end, and this we have succeeded in outsourcing to foreign countries. Our war on drugs is fought on the territories of countries such as Colombia, Honduras, and Mexico. The headless bodies in Mexico barely make the inside pages of American newspapers (imagine if dozens of mutilated bodies were dumped in suburban Maryland). We have requisitioned foreign turf for our war on drugs.
It is amazing how many Lebanese drug dealers have been reported as being in Australia

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#37555 Mar 5, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Yeah, the same mistake which South Africa did when they scrapped their policy of Apartheid.
The same mistake which Canada did when they accepted Multi Culterism.
The "same mistake" which Israel is avoiding by keeping "Only Jews" in their Land of Pure!!
Best of luck to you, racists!!
PS:
I wonder, if you are descendents of same people, who went to every country in the world and established their rule there.
They were not afraid of living in foreign land surrounded by "natives".
And you are afraid of 10, 15 % of "natives" living in your land?
Problem is that you only know how to "take" and not how to "give"!!
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Look who is advocating not to have Separatism when he lives in a country that practices Separatism.
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Only Muslims are allowed to enter Makkah and Madinah.

Only Islam can build a house of worship in Saudi.
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A female child born from a Saudi woman with a Saudi nationality the female child can not take on her mother's nationality at the age of 18, her son can become a Saudi National at the age of 18 the only way the girl can become a Saudi is if she becomes a slave to a Saudi man and marries him.
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MUQ you Muslims should be the last people who talk about apartheid.
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Your Qur'an is full samples of apartheid.
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Although Aliroger1 will tell you lies that it is a Dutch invention.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#37556 Mar 5, 2013
Aliroger1 wrote:
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CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WHITE PEOPLE BEHAVE LIKE PAUL BERNARDO AND KARLA HOMOLKA?
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Did the homosexual rapist murderer Prophet Muhammad behave any better?
Did the Saudi prince Prince Saud bin Abdulaziz bin Nasir al Saud behaved any better?
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The same reason these 3 men raped under age girls Amar Hussain,Hussain ,Adil Saleem,
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Aliroger1 is under the impression that only Muslims are Angels and all others are evil, poor Aliroger1.
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Aliroger1 you are aware I make an ass out of you where ever you go.
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Aliroger1 kn ows I am good.
Aliroger1 wrote:
You sound like a little sissy who talks tought online but who slink around like a hyena at night too afraid to actually say your garbage to anyone's face you little coward. Run along. Beat it! Scram!! The mental hospital know you are awol!!! LOLLLLL
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Scram Aliroger1 go and play with your penis, run along, when you see my name you quiver.
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Aliroger1 knows I am good.
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Wherever I go, he comes to get attention.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37557 Mar 5, 2013
NT wrote:
01. A miracle is how you explain that Mohammad's descendants led a breeding program that numbered so many .

A few posts back another person said that Mohammad's descendants died off after 2 generations. Who today can claim direct linage to Mohammed ?

02. Why then is there a difference within Islam that sees some countries following your ancient past in all facets of their lives as you say and others who separate into a secular government that you are all one of the same ?
Ans.

Lineage to the Prophet:

I already mentioned that Prophet did not have any male surviving child. So any one having "direct lineage" to prophet is impossible.

However there are hundreds of thousands of people who have lineage to the Grandsons of Prophet , Hassan and Husain, who were sons of his daughter Fatima and his cousin Ali.

This is as close as any one can get to the lineage of prophet.

But what is the "greatness" if only you have your lineage in millions? The prophet is loved and revered by billions of humans all round the earth, every one ready to sacrifice their lives on him.

What better descendents could one wish for?

Secular and Non Secular "Muslim" country:

In Islam there is nothing like "Church and State" as we have in Christianity.

Islam gives directions for all walks of life and no Islamic state can make any law which violates the teachings of Quran and sayings and action of our beloved prophet.

These so called "Muslim Secular states" are trying to ride in two boats.

They want to follow the Western laws, while still claiming that they are Muslims.

It is a hypocritic way of living, nothing else.

They are not truthful to any of them, because there is conflict every now and then between Islamic teachings and the western way of living and they have to choose one of them…every day…many times each day
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37558 Mar 5, 2013
Adeladian wrote:
01. My point is that there are not one, but TWO events that defy everything that rational observation tells us ... the Trinity, and the Ascension. Christianity subscribes to both, but even Islam subscribes to one of these.

02. So Islam can hardly lay claim to a monopoly on sane and rational belief.

03. The ONLY way that solid physical objects (including Human bodies) detach from the ground and ascend without man-made apparatus, is via a spectacular natural event such as a Tornado. And if a Tornado had lifted Jesus aloft then you and I can be sure that THAT would have been enthusiastically reported in Scripture! It was not reported.

04. Sorry MUQ, but no matter how pious any person may be they cannot legitimately expect to dive for refuge behind the claim that "God can do anything". That is an intellectually lazy cop-out. The Laws of Physics are Universal and utterly uncompromising. NO exceptions to them are EVER made.

05. The modern version of Jesus' "Ascension" would be StarTrek's "Beam me up, Scotty". Everyone knows that is Science Fiction and will never be anything else, because Laws of Physics simply cannot be harnessed in such a way without destroying the object being 'transported'.

06. Faith is all very well, but there comes a point where reality comes surging in and cannot be denied.

07. I agree that many man-made "interpretations" may have over-decorated Scriptures of all religions. But even if all of those aberrations were successfully stripped away, what would be left would still be riddled with fundamental errors. Humanity will not mature until we all face up to that fact, unpleasing though it would be for many of us.
Ans.

Here are my "short answers" to points mentioned in your post.

A. Trinity and Ascension:

There is no connection between Trinity and ascension. Ascension is mentioned in both Gospels and Quran, so it is true.

Trinity was neither taught by Jesus, and Quran also rejects it, so it is a fallacy. And a fallacy shall not become a truth, irrespective of how many times you repeat it.

B. How Jesus was taken up:

The true answer is, "We do not know"!! You and your Tornado theory is cultivation of your own mind.

What we say is "God took him up"? How? We do not know.

This is most reasonable course of action. Allah Knows best.

C. God can do Anything:

No Muslim says that God can do Anything. Quran says "God has Power over all things".

"All things" here means every Creation.

There are "many things" that God cannot do.

God does what He Wills and what He wishes!!

D. faith and Science:

In fact there is no contradiction between the two. True faith has nothing which goes against Science.

But there are "zealots" amongst both the communities that try to create conflict and pit one against the other.

There is nothing in Quran that contradicts science and there can never be. It is human interpretations which are wrong and some people want to be "dogmatic about their interpretations"

This is the "whole story of fight between science and religion"…..unless of course if the "books itself have human elements in them" like Most books of OT and NT!!

Allah knows best.
Truth

UK

#37559 Mar 5, 2013
The Holy Quran says God raised him up does not mean Jesus will physically fly on a cloud into heaven, it means God will raise Jesus rank , meaning people will start respecting him like what the Christians are doing , they turned him into a God ! We Ahmadi Muslims believe Jesus died a natural death and his grave is in Kashmir India .
Yanas

Australia

#37560 Mar 5, 2013
Aliroger1 wrote:
<quoted text>
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WHITE PEOPLE BEHAVE LIKE PAUL BERNARDO AND KARLA HOMOLKA?
You sound like a little sissy who talks tought online but who slink around like a hyena at night too afraid to actually say your garbage to anyone's face you little coward. Run along. Beat it! Scram!! The mental hospital know you are awol!!! LOLLLLL


You seem to have all the answers gutter mouth, why don't you answer Geppetto's questions ?. I think your all the names you call people you hate filled nobody.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37561 Mar 5, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Lineage to the Prophet:
I already mentioned that Prophet did not have any male surviving child. So any one having "direct lineage" to prophet is impossible.
However there are hundreds of thousands of people who have lineage to the Grandsons of Prophet , Hassan and Husain, who were sons of his daughter Fatima and his cousin Ali.
This is as close as any one can get to the lineage of prophet.
But what is the "greatness" if only you have your lineage in millions? The prophet is loved and revered by billions of humans all round the earth, every one ready to sacrifice their lives on him.
What better descendents could one wish for?
Secular and Non Secular "Muslim" country:
In Islam there is nothing like "Church and State" as we have in Christianity.
Islam gives directions for all walks of life and no Islamic state can make any law which violates the teachings of Quran and sayings and action of our beloved prophet.
These so called "Muslim Secular states" are trying to ride in two boats.
They want to follow the Western laws, while still claiming that they are Muslims.
It is a hypocritic way of living, nothing else.
They are not truthful to any of them, because there is conflict every now and then between Islamic teachings and the western way of living and they have to choose one of them…every day…many times each day
You truelly must be what is described as a "mad Mullah" for you would "look down" upon a fellow Muslim who exists in a secular State of Islam.

This is apartheid pure and simple and discrimination Islam style.

Your Islam is no different to the anglo for whom you despice so well.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37562 Mar 5, 2013
Truth wrote:
The Holy Quran says God raised him up does not mean Jesus will physically fly on a cloud into heaven, it means God will raise Jesus rank , meaning people will start respecting him like what the Christians are doing , they turned him into a God ! We Ahmadi Muslims believe Jesus died a natural death and his grave is in Kashmir India .
I can go with that because of his travels that were writen of, by someone who could write .
allan

Whitby, Canada

#37565 Mar 5, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, the same mistake which South Africa did when they scrapped their policy of Apartheid.
The same mistake which Canada did when they accepted Multi Culterism.
The "same mistake" which Israel is avoiding by keeping "Only Jews" in their Land of Pure!!
Best of luck to you, racists!!
PS:
I wonder, if you are descendents of same people, who went to every country in the world and established their rule there.
They were not afraid of living in foreign land surrounded by "natives".
And you are afraid of 10, 15 % of "natives" living in your land?
Problem is that you only know how to "take" and not how to "give"!!
First of all Achmet ...onkwehonwehneha sata:ti scumbag. I never said anything about native americans or aboriginals IDIOT! Most crimes commited here by minorities statisical fact,most terrorist acts commited by muslims statistical fact. If you can not handle the truth TOO BAD for YOU and YOURS. It's not that all Muslim are terrorists it's just that all terrorists are Muslim,so screw you and your religion!
allan

Whitby, Canada

#37566 Mar 5, 2013
Aliroger1 wrote:
<quoted text>
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WHITE PEOPLE BEHAVE LIKE PAUL BERNARDO AND KARLA HOMOLKA?
You sound like a little sissy who talks tought online but who slink around like a hyena at night too afraid to actually say your garbage to anyone's face you little coward. Run along. Beat it! Scram!! The mental hospital know you are awol!!! LOLLLLL
Can you please explain why minorities have gangs, take over neighbourhoods ,shoot people at random to be able to join the gang?

You sound like the type that supports such things,shooting people when their backs are turned or killing innocent children in your neighbourhood...WHAT A BRAVE SCUMBAG YOU ARE ..LOOOOOLLLL! Careful now the police are watching you ASSH**E
allan

Whitby, Canada

#37567 Mar 5, 2013
Aliroger1 wrote:
<quoted text>
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY WHITE PEOPLE BEHAVE LIKE PAUL BERNARDO AND KARLA HOMOLKA?
You sound like a little sissy who talks tought online but who slink around like a hyena at night too afraid to actually say your garbage to anyone's face you little coward. Run along. Beat it! Scram!! The mental hospital know you are awol!!! LOLLLLL
Sorry Aliroger1,left out people who hijack planes and kill thousands, and you talk about a mental hospital...LOL
Truth

UK

#37568 Mar 5, 2013
Its not that all Muslims are terrorist its just that Western countries keep messing with Muslims .
Jake Bradock

Brisbane, Australia

#37569 Mar 5, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
What control have I over "my Muslim brethren" in Australia?
Do to them what you did to those poor aborigines!!
After all you were a nation of prisoners and cutthroats once!!
And yet MUQ, even a nation of prisoners and cutthroats has evolved into healthy beakon of social tollerence and a level of living that is the envy of the muslim world judgeing by wave of muslims killing themselves to get here.

How is it a nation of cutthroats has done a better job of creating a nation than any nation created by the people of mohummed ?

Could it be that the one true god has helped the people of the one true religion ? christianity ?

allah has forsaken you and your people delivering only pain and horror, turn your heart to jesus and join us in all his love and riches.
Live in the light of jesus`s glory and remove yourself from the shadows of the deceit of islam.....
Geppetto

Australia

#37570 Mar 5, 2013
allan wrote:
<quoted text>
Good point,I ask minorities here in Canada the same question and get no answers,except I am racist or your people invaded this land,thats about the best they can do. In NO WAY can they give you a reasonable answer to YOUR QUESTIONS.
I don't like Islamic people because,

1. They are deceitful people ( any one that reads this post can see that )

2. They are racist and sexist.

3. They can't get along with anyone.( they can't even live with each other )

A good judge of a person is how they treat their family.

A good judge of a country is how they treat there PEOPLE.
Liam

Australia

#37571 Mar 5, 2013
Truth wrote:
Its not that all Muslims are terrorist its just that Western countries keep messing with Muslims .
++++ You are a Liar ++++

Muslims Hate Muslims with a such passion to the point of Blowing Each Others Children's arms and legs off in public.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/03/p...
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/74227-suic...
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/05/29194...

Three different Muslim country's three different Murderous Muslims organizations killing their own people.

You will rot in in HELL

++++ You are a Liar ++++
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37573 Mar 5, 2013
NT wrote:
Those poor aborigines would cut you throat just by looking at them in the time line you speak of.

Are you not a prisoner within Islam that you must do as you have been indoctrinated into much like young boys in Madrases ?

2.

How come Muslims live within Israel and receive the same educational prospects ?
You must be racist

3.

t is amazing how many Lebanese drug dealers have been reported as being in Australia
Ans.

Aborigines and their Rights:

01. If you look at it dispassionately, those aborigines had "every right" to do whatever they could do, because it were you people who went to occupy their land and drive them out of their homes and lands where they were living since time immemorial.

02. Think, you are living in this country for only a couple of centuries, what would YOU do if some one came to drive you out of your own homes?

03. Would you not use, army, navy, airforce, missiles, tanks, Bombs, Drones, Nuclear, Biological and Chemical and any other weapons which you could get?

And you would send the captured enemy to GITMO, ABU GHURAIB and whatever prison that you can reach.

04. Why there should be different rules for civilized people like you and those "Non Civilized people"?

05, What you did to Aborigines of Australia, your cousins did the same to Red Indians of North and South America and Eskimos of Canada.

06. And when they went to some big nations of Asia and Africa, they turned them into either as "slave colony" (mostly in Africa) or used them as source of cheap resources and ready market for your industrial out puts.

07. Muslim rule of 700 years in Spain and 1000 Years in India, did not diminish their national wealth. But in 100-150 Years the British suck all Indian wealth to England and when they were "forced to leave"….India was a "poor" third world country.

That is the difference between Islamic rule and White Person's rule!!

B. Only Exception

08. I think the "Only aborigines" (when actually they were not aborigines by any means) which "All Western Nations" agreed to gather from all over the world and settle them into one place was no other than Jews!!

09. And they use every illogical reasoning, tolerate every type of injustice, mischief, tyranny, to justify their "illegal rule" over those lands.

C. Muslims in Isreal:

10. You ask them how they are treated? I Look at how Muslims are treated in their "own lands" of West Bank and Gaza?

11. Are you still not convinced that their life is "as if they are living in virtual paradise" on this earth?

12. May be they do not know the daily killings, beatings, demolition of houses, night searches, and Economic Blockade (and not even allowing International aid to reach to them).

13. I never knew how people's heart turn to stones when they are biased, until I see your people's "unflinching support" for that Zionist state of Israel.

D, Lebanese Smugglers in Australia:

I have no info on that. If you have, inform Interpol.

But first make sure that NONE of them are Jews or Christians,(Because many Jews and Christians also live in Lebanon)

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