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Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46812 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Essendon, Australia

#37512 Mar 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
... but God took him up bodily....and we also believe that he shall return to earth by the end of time.
You Muslims rubbish the Christian belief in the Holy Trinity as fanciful.

Then you turn around and tell us that God suspended the Laws Of Physics so that The Force of Gravity exactly beneath Jesus was interrupted very selectively allowing Him to rise bodily up an invisible passage of space within which Gravity had no influence.

Which religion's beliefs are less rational? Or are both irrational?

And anyway, from the vantage point of an observer viewing Earth from Space, since our planet floats in a vast empty void which way is objectively "up"?
Up and Down

Australia

#37513 Mar 3, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
You Muslims rubbish the Christian belief in the Holy Trinity as fanciful.
Then you turn around and tell us that God suspended the Laws Of Physics so that The Force of Gravity exactly beneath Jesus was interrupted very selectively allowing Him to rise bodily up an invisible passage of space within which Gravity had no influence.
Which religion's beliefs are less rational? Or are
both irrational?
And anyway, from the vantage point of an observer viewing Earth from Space, since our
planet floats in a vast empty void which way is objectively "up"?
It's easy.
First it's a metaphor anyway.
But taken literally as you are trying to :)
Christians souls 'ascend' to heaven and the light.
Muslims die in cold lonely graves to a false god
and as their body rots their spirit 'descend' to a hell of jinns and darkness. Islam is the alter ego of purity & enlightment. Islam worships things only seen in the darkness (moon god Hubal, Sabean Venus 'star'(planet), ie a relgion of darkness and fear. Even muhaamad who tried desperately on his death bed to be reaccepted as a Jewish prophet (denied) tried to die as a jew (fake night journey/ascension over jerusalem). So much for Mecca being the earth heaven portal, muhhammad chose not to use that, but the Jewish one instead.
Muhhammad as history tells us died with misgivings and fears about his apostasy ; he died diseased and broken, like a piece of carrion in a cold desert grave and his corrupted soul lost into a hell of his own making.
Muhammads offspring btw were all killed off by nature, thru disease, family genocide, and even a bird pecking out the eyes of one of his progeny !
Shades of the movie the Omen,, where nature and animals instinctively recognize evil in others and act unnaturally to seek to kill it.
Within 2 generations of the death of muhhammad - all his bloodline was murdered, died sickly or waa killed in bizarre circumstances. All of them.
Almost like the hand of god was rooting out this evil that had occurred with the devil talking into the ear of a corrupted Arab who then unleashed
the aposasty of Islam.
Is Islam devil worship and evil?
Undoubtably yes to our human understanding of this. If you saw the images of Hubal and Sin, or read the Quran, it's quite clear it's a relgion of malevolence, fear, lies, and devil (jinn) worship.

It's exactly the false god Yahweh, Moses, Jesus and many others warned about that would come
after them, and should be feared and
annihilated as evil along with it's devil followers.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37514 Mar 3, 2013
Up and Down wrote:
<quoted text>
It's easy.
First it's a metaphor anyway.
But taken literally as you are trying to :)
Christians souls 'ascend' to heaven and the light.
Muslims die in cold lonely graves to a false god
and as their body rots their spirit 'descend' to a hell of jinns and darkness. Islam is the alter ego of purity & enlightenment. Islam worships things only seen in the darkness (moon god Hubal, Sabean Venus 'star'(planet), ie a relgion of darkness and fear. Even muhammad who tried desperately on his death bed to be re accepted as a Jewish prophet (denied) tried to die as a jew (fake night journey/ascension over Jerusalem). So much for Mecca being the earth heaven portal, muhhammad chose not to use that, but the Jewish one instead.
Muhhammad as history tells us died with misgivings and fears about his apostasy ; he died diseased and broken, like a piece of carrion in a cold desert grave and his corrupted soul lost into a hell of his own making.
Muhammads offspring btw were all killed off by nature, thru disease, family genocide, and even a bird pecking out the eyes of one of his progeny !
Shades of the movie the Omen,, where nature and animals instinctively recognize evil in others and act unnaturally to seek to kill it.
Within 2 generations of the death of muhhammad - all his bloodline was murdered, died sickly or waa killed in bizarre circumstances. All of them.
Almost like the hand of god was rooting out this evil that had occurred with the devil talking into the ear of a corrupted Arab who then unleashed
the apostasy of Islam.
Is Islam devil worship and evil?
Undoubtedly yes to our human understanding of this. If you saw the images of Hubal and Sin, or read the Quran, it's quite clear it's a religion of malevolence, fear, lies, and devil (jinn) worship.
It's exactly the false god Yahweh, Moses, Jesus and many others warned about that would come
after them, and should be feared and
annihilated as evil along with it's devil followers.
It is interesting of history what happened to Muhammad's descendants.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37517 Mar 3, 2013
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

On Drugs and Democracy

By Inge Fryklund

August 07, 2012 "Information Clearing House" -- The UN Office of Drug Control (UNODC) has thoroughly documented the violence, crime, and corruption linked with the worldwide heroin and opium trade. The U.S. news media report every day on the mayhem and corruption of government officials caused by the drug wars in Mexico, Colombia, and other points south of our border. In Afghanistan, the Taliban tax the opium trade and protect poppy farmers from eradication, fueling the insurgency and our 11-year war.

However, these problems are all consequences of drug prohibition, not of the drugs themselves. In legal terms, drugs are malum prohibitum (wrong because prohibited by law) rather than malum in se (inherently wrong, such as theft or murder). During the U.S. experiment with Prohibition (1920-1933), alcohol was malum prohibitum; as soon as it was legalized, it again became a normal regulated, traded, and taxed consumer product.

We need to rethink our prohibition of drugs. What problem are we trying to solve by making drugs illegal? Have we chosen the most effective and affordable solution? Are the collateral consequences worth it?
We should start with the premise that neither demand for drugs nor the drugs themselves can be eliminated.

UNODC estimates the ultimate street value of drugs originating in southern Afghanistan, primarily Helmand and Kandahar, as $68 billion. Where there is demand, there will be supply. If Afghan supplies were reduced, production would simply move elsewhere—as it did when it moved into Afghanistan in the 1980s after being pushed out of Southeast Asia’s Golden Triangle.
Prohibition of Alcohol

The American experience of Prohibition is instructive.

The U.S. ban on alcohol served primarily to corrupt public officials and endanger the public. Supplying the unabated demand for alcohol required traffickers to pay bribes to police and politicians. As prices increased as a result, cutting quality was one way to keep the retail price down, which resulted in deaths from adulterated products. Moreover, the rise of violent, organized crime during this period—required to move the product and handle disputes within the trade—created criminal organizations that endure to this day.

The Prohibition experiment was relatively short-lived. Part of the impetus for repeal was that Prohibition was not having the intended effect of cutting either alcohol use or the social problems resulting from its abuse (the potential for alcohol tax revenues in the midst of the Great Depression was another factor). Whatever successes the experiment had were outweighed by the costs in corruption and violence, not to mention widespread public cynicism and hypocrisy.

(Contd.)
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37518 Mar 3, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
It is interesting of history what happened to Muhammad's descendants.
He did not have any surviving son, so he did not have any lineage to continue after him.

He had four daughter, but no one survived from his three daughters for next generation, so it was end for them.

However his fourth daughter, Fatima, who was married to his cousin Ali, got Two Sons and one daughter. The sons name were Hasan and Husain and daughter's name was Umm' Kulthhom.

Both Hassan and Husain got many sons and their descendents are in hundreds and thousands and they got dispersed in most countries of the world.

So his descendents (thru his daughter) are very many.

And his spiritual descendents (i.e. those who live and die by his name) are close to 1.5 Billion at the last count and increasing every day. And they belong to every race, every language and every ethnic group!!

This much and more for the person whom Pagans of Makkah taunted as "Abtar" (i.e. one who has no roots to grow) when his last son died!!

Is that not a miracle? What else is a miracle?
Hitchcock

Australia

#37520 Mar 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
He did not have any surviving son, so he did not have any lineage to continue after him.
He had four daughter, but no one survived from his three daughters for next generation, so it was end for them.
However his fourth daughter, Fatima, who was married to his cousin Ali, got Two Sons and one daughter. The sons name were Hasan and Husain and daughter's name was Umm' Kulthhom.
Both Hassan and Husain got many sons and their descendents are in hundreds and thousands and they got dispersed in most countries of the
world.
So his descendents (thru his daughter) are very many.
And his spiritual descendents (i.e. those who live and die by his name) are close to 1.5 Billion at the last count and increasing every day. And
they belong to every race, every language and every ethnic group!!
This much and more for the person whom
Pagans of Makkah taunted as "Abtar" (i.e. one who has no roots to grow) when his last son died!!
Is that not a miracle? What else is a miracle?
MUQ - more Kitman (lying by omission) and Taqiyya (outright lying).
Fatima was never proved as a legitimate daughter of Muhhamad, leading to Utham being forced to take succession of Islam (leading in turn to the still present Shia v Sunni succession split) AS THE MUSLIMS AT THE TIME believed muhhammad had no legimate heirs..
Ali at first resisted then accepted the ruling that he 'was not of muhammad'.
Ali was then in turn murdered by others WITHIN HIS faction for his weakness.
So facts are according to Muslims AT THE TIME is that muhhammad left no legimate hiers, certainly no sons and the sons of his daughters rejected as not of sufficient bloodline purity.
The Sunnis then decided to elect a leadership rather than perserver with a tainted and clearly genetically damaged bloodline.
The Sunni v Shia split continues today.
Hashimite claims to muhhammad are patently false, and the emir of saud, or now house of saud has absolutely no proof of any bloodline to Muhhamad.
The death of some of Muhammads offspring, esp having their eyes and brains pecked out by birds,, almost has a biblical sense of good v evil with both god & nature recognising & attacking muhhammad's offspring to cleanse evil from the earth.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37522 Mar 4, 2013
NT wrote:
01. Which MUQ are you ?
Is there a numbering system that you wait your turn to clock in to your time slot to talk your Islam with us ?

02. You are using culture to explain Islam whereas it is written as cited here no different to your offering that there is a difference in the explanation of Muhammad political Islam.
Ans.

01. I do not have a full time internet connection. I download all the messages in the mornings and then post my replies in the evening.

02. In Islam there are no separation between religion, culture, politics and trade.

Islam is a single system that deals with all these aspects.

It is not a religion in the sense western people use it, it is a way of life.

A way of life that is based on teachings of Quran and sayings and action of Our prophet and his companions..

So the phrase "political Islam" is unknown to Muslims.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37523 Mar 4, 2013
Adeladian wrote:
01. You Muslims rubbish the Christian belief in the Holy Trinity as fanciful.

02. Then you turn around and tell us that God suspended the Laws Of Physics so that The Force of Gravity exactly beneath Jesus was interrupted very selectively allowing Him to rise bodily up an invisible passage of space within which Gravity had no influence.

03. Which religion's beliefs are less rational? Or are both irrational?

04. And anyway, from the vantage point of an observer viewing Earth from Space, since our planet floats in a vast empty void which way is objectively "up"?
Ans.

01. Yes we Rubbish the concept of Trinity (Holy or Unholy), because Jesus never taught or believed in it. It was a Pagan concept that crept into Christianity because of that "self appointed 13th Apostle of Jesus Christ" whom people know as St. Paul.

02. We do not explain "how" God took up Jesus into heavens. He is the Creator of Universe and He can get things done the way He wants it.

If you cannot assume that One who moves Galaxies and Stars and Cosmos, CANNOT get His prophet and messenger away from earth, then YOU have a very limited understanding of His powers.

03. I can say that beliefs and teachings of ALL prophets of God were rational and reasonable. But since their followers, inserted their own teachings into it (like Trinity , Divinity and Original Sin, which St. Paul inserted into Christianity)…. So they became unreasonable.

Since teachings of Islam are available in their purest form, so Islam is the ONLY religion on the face of earth now, which has rational and reasonable teachings and beliefs.

04. Which way is Up and which is Down, is known to the Creator of the Universe. You need not have to explain that to Him!!

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37525 Mar 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
He did not have any surviving son, so he did not have any lineage to continue after him.
He had four daughter, but no one survived from his three daughters for next generation, so it was end for them.
However his fourth daughter, Fatima, who was married to his cousin Ali, got Two Sons and one daughter. The sons name were Hasan and Husain and daughter's name was Umm' Kulthhom.
Both Hassan and Husain got many sons and their descendents are in hundreds and thousands and they got dispersed in most countries of the world.
So his descendents (thru his daughter) are very many.
And his spiritual descendents (i.e. those who live and die by his name) are close to 1.5 Billion at the last count and increasing every day. And they belong to every race, every language and every ethnic group!!
This much and more for the person whom Pagans of Markka taunted as "Abtar" (i.e. one who has no roots to grow) when his last son died!!
Is that not a miracle? What else is a miracle?
A miracle is how you explain that Mohammad's descendants led a breeding program that numbered so many .
A few posts back another person said that Mohammad's descendants died off after 2 generations.
Who today can claim direct linage to Mohammed ?
MalbarCACA Controllers

UK

#37526 Mar 4, 2013
who="Neville Thompson"]<quoted text>
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No mercy for SPAMalot IDENTITY THIEF,PLAGIARIZER, ROBBER and IMPOSTOR SPASTIC FUCKTURD PHAGGOT SHEMALE WANKERS AND TOSSER TOPIX PAID TROLL MOERATORS MalbarCACA noire dalits Pilon Bumchod Indomauritian Balmiki Bhangi BABOON Gaand marau Ghondoos SUAR KA BACHCHA BHOJAN KEEDAA JALI NAKALI DHONGI CRAP.

Fcuk off indian cnut

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#37528 Mar 4, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Who wrote the Old Testament,were it the same operation as it was the mob who wrote the Islamic Quran ?
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You talking to the wrong person.
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Both the OT bible and the Qur'an are full of errors and lies.
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The Hebrew Created God and Man Created the same guy the Muslims call Allah.
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The Christians created Jesus as a 1/2 God.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#37529 Mar 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
He did not have any surviving son, so he did not have any lineage to continue after him.
He had four daughter, but no one survived from his three daughters for next generation, so it was end for them.
However his fourth daughter, Fatima, who was married to his cousin Ali, got Two Sons and one daughter. The sons name were Hasan and Husain and daughter's name was Umm' Kulthhom.
Both Hassan and Husain got many sons and their descendents are in hundreds and thousands and they got dispersed in most countries of the world.
So his descendents (thru his daughter) are very many.
And his spiritual descendents (i.e. those who live and die by his name) are close to 1.5 Billion at the last count and increasing every day. And they belong to every race, every language and every ethnic group!!
This much and more for the person whom Pagans of Makkah taunted as "Abtar" (i.e. one who has no roots to grow) when his last son died!!
Is that not a miracle? What else is a miracle?
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The linage of any Arab culture has always been through the son (male) the reason why the Arabs, say that the Linage is through the son.

The Arab says who knows who the father of the children is, the wife could of had sexs with many men and no one knows for certain what or who the linage is, unlike the Jews the religion Linage goes through through the mother.
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The Jews will tell you of course all this is before DNA.
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One always know who your mother is but the only person who knows who your father is, is your mother.
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When the pagans called Muhammad a Makkah, using your own words. you said they taunted him with Makkah, meaning a man with no roots.
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They were right Muhammad according to the Arab culture he left no roots behind.
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As we all know from reading the Qur'an Aisha had sex with Safwan, and again from the Qur'an we read that Khadija was Fatima's mother and Khadija was a woman who loved sex and had several lovers in her life and several daughter from different men.
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If she was living today we would of called Khadija a merry widow.
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No one has any proof that Fatima is Muhammad's daughter.
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After all Muhammad did die as a Makkah.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37531 Mar 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. I do not have a full time internet connection. I download all the messages in the mornings and then post my replies in the evening.
02. In Islam there are no separation between religion, culture, politics and trade.
Islam is a single system that deals with all these aspects.
It is not a religion in the sense western people use it, it is a way of life.
A way of life that is based on teachings of Quran and sayings and action of Our prophet and his companions..
So the phrase "political Islam" is unknown to Muslims.
Why then is there a difference within Islam that sees some countries following your ancient past in all facets of their lives as you say and others who separate into a secular government that you are all one of the same ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37532 Mar 4, 2013
MalbarCACA Controllers wrote:
who="Neville Thompson"]<quoted text>
DELETED
No mercy for SPAMalot IDENTITY THIEF,PLAGIARIZER, ROBBER and IMPOSTOR SPASTIC FUCKTURD PHAGGOT SHEMALE WANKERS AND TOSSER TOPIX PAID TROLL MOERATORS MalbarCACA noire dalits Pilon Bumchod Indomauritian Balmiki Bhangi BABOON Gaand marau Ghondoos SUAR KA BACHCHA BHOJAN KEEDAA JALI NAKALI DHONGI CRAP.
Fcuk off indian cnut
I am not Indian

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Belmont, Australia

#37533 Mar 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Yes we Rubbish the concept of Trinity (Holy or Unholy), because Jesus never taught or believed in it. It was a Pagan concept that crept into Christianity because of that "self appointed 13th Apostle of Jesus Christ" whom people know as St. Paul.
02. We do not explain "how" God took up Jesus into heavens. He is the Creator of Universe and He can get things done the way He wants it.
If you cannot assume that One who moves Galaxies and Stars and Cosmos, CANNOT get His prophet and messenger away from earth, then YOU have a very limited understanding of His powers.
03. I can say that beliefs and teachings of ALL prophets of God were rational and reasonable. But since their followers, inserted their own teachings into it (like Trinity , Divinity and Original Sin, which St. Paul inserted into Christianity)…. So they became unreasonable.
Since teachings of Islam are available in their purest form, so Islam is the ONLY religion on the face of earth now, which has rational and reasonable teachings and beliefs.
04. Which way is Up and which is Down, is known to the Creator of the Universe. You need not have to explain that to Him!!
My point is that there are not one, but TWO events that defy everything that rational observation tells us ... the Trinity, and the Ascension. Christianity subscribes to both, but even Islam subscribes to one of these.

So Islam can hardly lay claim to a monopoly on sane and rational belief.

The ONLY way that solid physical objects (including Human bodies) detach from the ground and ascend without man-made apparatus, is via a spectacular natural event such as a Tornado. And if a Tornado had lifted Jesus aloft then you and I can be sure that THAT would have been enthusiastically reported in Scripture! It was not reported.

Sorry MUQ, but no matter how pious any person may be they cannot legitimately expect to dive for refuge behind the claim that "God can do anything". That is an intellectually lazy cop-out. The Laws of Physics are Universal and utterly uncompromising. NO exceptions to them are EVER made.

The modern version of Jesus' "Ascension" would be StarTrek's "Beam me up, Scotty". Everyone knows that is Science Fiction and will never be anything else, because Laws of Physics simply cannot be harnessed in such a way without destroying the object being 'transported'.

Faith is all very well, but there comes a point where reality comes surging in and cannot be denied.

I agree that many man-made "interpretations" may have over-decorated Scriptures of all religions. But even if all of those aberrations were successfully stripped away, what would be left would still be riddled with fundamental errors. Humanity will not mature until we all face up to that fact, unpleasing though it would be for many of us.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37534 Mar 4, 2013
Sitting with filth wrote:
Islam will guide you to the truth and help you forget the Evil Australian way.
Join Islam before you all die.
How can you as a Muslim live in such an evil country like Australia,why don't you return to wherever you came from so you can feel much safer ?
MalbarCACA Controllers

UK

#37535 Mar 4, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
DEKETED
No more comical gobbledegook, No LATM's MalbarCACA IMPOSTOR, IDENTITY THIEVES, Gallahs KAKA LIKI idiotic 1 HanuMAN Bender monkey moronic ChokraFAGBOY Pilon Bumchod Indomauritian Balmiki Bhangi BABOON Gaand marau Ghondoos post or discussion will be tolerated.
MalbarCACA Controllers

UK

#37536 Mar 4, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not Indian
No more comical gobbledegook, No LATM's MalbarCACA IMPOSTOR, IDENTITY THIEVES, Gallahs KAKA LIKI idiotic 1 HanuMAN Bender monkey moronic ChokraFAGBOY Pilon Bumchod Indomauritian Balmiki Bhangi BABOON Gaand marau Ghondoos post or discussion will be tolerated.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#37537 Mar 4, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you as a Muslim live in such an evil country like Australia,why don't you return to wherever you came from so you can feel much safer ?
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I will pay his passage if he signs a piece of paper, in the event he ever returns back to Australia he pays me back double.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#37539 Mar 4, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Yes we Rubbish the concept of Trinity (Holy or Unholy), because Jesus never taught or believed in it. It was a Pagan concept that crept into Christianity because of that "self appointed 13th Apostle of Jesus Christ" whom people know as St. Paul.
02. We do not explain "how" God took up Jesus into heavens. He is the Creator of Universe and He can get things done the way He wants it.
If you cannot assume that One who moves Galaxies and Stars and Cosmos, CANNOT get His prophet and messenger away from earth, then YOU have a very limited understanding of His powers.
03. I can say that beliefs and teachings of ALL prophets of God were rational and reasonable. But since their followers, inserted their own teachings into it (like Trinity , Divinity and Original Sin, which St. Paul inserted into Christianity)…. So they became unreasonable.
Since teachings of Islam are available in their purest form, so Islam is the ONLY religion on the face of earth now, which has rational and reasonable teachings and beliefs.
04. Which way is Up and which is Down, is known to the Creator of the Universe. You need not have to explain that to Him!!
MUQ you better tell your filthy muslim brothers to stop threatening australians, because sadly, we will bury them.

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