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Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46812 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37488 Mar 2, 2013
Now so many "experts" have spoke about Taqiyya that it is part of Islam and mentioned in Quran and sayings of prophet.

Well , who will listen to the words of a "novice" in presence of the "united decision of these so many experts"

Yet.

There is nothing like Taqaiyya and Kitman in Islam. Just to say a few words to save one's life is not a fundamental teaching of Islam. This is for people who have weak faith. If they speak something wrong to save their and their family member' lives, when threatened with death or dire consequences..... becomes a "normal teaching" of Islam.

And there have been hundreds of thousands of examples where Muslims have died and did not say bad words about Islam and renegaded from their faith.

So I repeat once again that there is nothing called Taqaiyya in Islam and there is nothing like Kitmaan in Islam.

Taqaiyya means to speak a lie deliberately to mislead other , which is nothing but lying which is one of Big Sin in Islam

And Kitmaan is to hide their faith and do not tell it to others....this is also highly disliked in Islam.

These are my thoughts as a "Novice"....but since "Experts have already passed their judgment" who will listen to the Novice?

No one in fact!!
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37489 Mar 2, 2013
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Obama Won’t Call It “Terrorism”

Obama More Sympathetic to Israelis Killed in Bulgaria than to Sikh Americans Murdered in Wisconsin

By Ali Abunimah


Silence in the face of racist incitement

Obama’s shameful timidity in forthrightly condemning what happened in Wisconsin is hardly surprising. After all, this is a president with a “kill list” for Muslims including Americans.

But even for show, could he really not muster the kind of outrage he did for Israelis, for his own fellow citizens?
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Is it appropriate that Obama condemned what happened to Israelis in Bulgaria as “barbaric terrorism” while he is merely “heartbroken” at the slaughter in Wisconsin, as if he is a mere bystander and not the president of the United States?

When Obama declares that “we are all one people” who must look after one another regardless of what we look like, it is he who needs to practice what he preaches.
Obama has been consistent in his refusal to confront the racism unleashed by his candidacy and subsequent election that came atop post-9/11 Muslim-bashing and dehumanization of people of color inherent in warmongering abroad.

His reponse to accusations that he’s Muslim is never ‘so what if I were?’ but always along the lines of ‘no, no I’m a Christian like you.’

Two summers ago, right-wing activists invented the fake “Ground Zero mosque” controversy to generate fear and hatred in the run-up to the 2010 mid-term elections. What I always found more frightening than the noise from Islamophobic clowns was the silence of elected officials, especially Democrats who purport to uphold liberal and inclusive values.

With their silence, they gave consent, and the crescendo of racist fearmongering – that targets more than just Muslims – has continued to rise.
Neither Sikhs nor Muslims are collectively guilty

Sikhs were among the first victims of the racist backlash after 9/11. It is common to say they are mistaken for Muslims who are the real targets of such attacks. This is wrong. Muslims are no more collectively guilty than Sikhs or any other group. But more importantly violent racists are not interested in distinctions.
In 2010, when he traveled to India, Obama refused to visit the main shrine of Sikhism, the Golden Temple in Amritsar, because he did not want to be photographed wearing a Sikh headcovering and be confused for a Muslim by illiterate Americans back home.

Obama was pandering to racists then, as he is despicably doing now. The difference now is that blood has been spilled in Wisconsin, and the time for this kind of cowardice ought to have passed.

This article was originally published at Electronic Intifada

© 2000-2011 electronicIntifada.net

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37490 Mar 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes be believe in all these...and we also believe that he was not killed or crucified on the cross, but God took him up bodily....and we also believe that he shall return to earth by the end of time.
Some years ago on television an interview was conducted of two Muslim men who didn't share your viewpoint.
They made Jesus out to be of no more important than any other .
Why is there a difference between that of Jesus to that of Muhammad seeing Islam acknowledges Jesus as being godly .

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37491 Mar 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
http://www.informationclearing house.info/article32113.htm
Obama Won’t Call It “Terrorism”
Obama More Sympathetic to Israelis Killed in Bulgaria than to Sikh Americans Murdered in Wisconsin
By Ali Abunimah
Silence in the face of racist incitement
Obama’s shameful timidity in forthrightly condemning what happened in Wisconsin is hardly surprising. After all, this is a president with a “kill list” for Muslims including Americans.
But even for show, could he really not muster the kind of outrage he did for Israelis, for his own fellow citizens?
\
Is it appropriate that Obama condemned what happened to Israelis in Bulgaria as “barbaric terrorism” while he is merely “heartbroken” at the slaughter in Wisconsin, as if he is a mere bystander and not the president of the United States?
When Obama declares that “we are all one people” who must look after one another regardless of what we look like, it is he who needs to practice what he preaches.
Obama has been consistent in his refusal to confront the racism unleashed by his candidacy and subsequent election that came atop post-9/11 Muslim-bashing and dehumanization of people of color inherent in warmongering abroad.
His reponse to accusations that he’s Muslim is never ‘so what if I were?’ but always along the lines of ‘no, no I’m a Christian like you.’
Two summers ago, right-wing activists invented the fake “Ground Zero mosque” controversy to generate fear and hatred in the run-up to the 2010 mid-term elections. What I always found more frightening than the noise from Islamophobic clowns was the silence of elected officials, especially Democrats who purport to uphold liberal and inclusive values.
With their silence, they gave consent, and the crescendo of racist fearmongering – that targets more than just Muslims – has continued to rise.
Neither Sikhs nor Muslims are collectively guilty
Sikhs were among the first victims of the racist backlash after 9/11. It is common to say they are mistaken for Muslims who are the real targets of such attacks. This is wrong. Muslims are no more collectively guilty than Sikhs or any other group. But more importantly violent racists are not interested in distinctions.
In 2010, when he traveled to India, Obama refused to visit the main shrine of Sikhism, the Golden Temple in Amritsar, because he did not want to be photographed wearing a Sikh headcovering and be confused for a Muslim by illiterate Americans back home.
Obama was pandering to racists then, as he is despicably doing now. The difference now is that blood has been spilled in Wisconsin, and the time for this kind of cowardice ought to have passed.
This article was originally published at Electronic Intifada
© 2000-2011 electronicIntifada.net
Such is politics MUQ,he is damned if he does and damned if he does not.
The QUICK FIX IT TEAM

Los Angeles, CA

#37492 Mar 2, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
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No LAM MalbarCACA IMPOSTOR, IDENTITY THIEVES, Gallahs KAKA LIKI idiotic 1 monkey moronic ChokraFAGBOY Pilon Bumchod Indomauritian Balmiki Bhangi BABOON Gaand marau Ghondoos post or discussion will be tolerated.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37493 Mar 2, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Now so many "experts" have spoke about Taqiyya that it is part of Islam and mentioned in Quran and sayings of prophet.
Well , who will listen to the words of a "novice" in presence of the "united decision of these so many experts"
Yet.
There is nothing like Taqiyya and Kitman in Islam. Just to say a few words to save one's life is not a fundamental teaching of Islam. This is for people who have weak faith. If they speak something wrong to save their and their family member' lives, when threatened with death or dire consequences..... becomes a "normal teaching" of Islam.
And there have been hundreds of thousands of examples where Muslims have died and did not say bad words about Islam and renegaded from their faith.
So I repeat once again that there is nothing called Taqaiyya in Islam and there is nothing like Kitmaan in Islam.
Taqaiyya means to speak a lie deliberately to mislead other , which is nothing but lying which is one of Big Sin in Islam
And Kitmaan is to hide their faith and do not tell it to others....this is also highly disliked in Islam.
These are my thoughts as a "Novice"....but since "Experts have already passed their judgment" who will listen to the Novice?
No one in fact!!
If it doesn't exist MUQ ,why is it written into Islamic scripture as displayed here on this forum ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37494 Mar 2, 2013
MalbarCACA Controllers wrote:
<quoted text>
Hahaha.
NOT DELETED.
Nice company you keep Bender:
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/syria/TJJ1OK...
Yes you are correct,we are still laughing at morons like you.
Keep it up we need comical relief
The QUICK FIX IT TEAM

Los Angeles, CA

#37495 Mar 2, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
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No LATM's MalbarCACA IMPOSTOR, IDENTITY THIEVES, Gallahs KAKA LIKI idiotic 1 monkey moronic ChokraFAGBOY Pilon Bumchod Indomauritian Balmiki Bhangi BABOON Gaand marau Ghondoos post or discussion will be tolerated.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#37496 Mar 2, 2013
Aliroger1 wrote:
<quoted text>
YOUR MENTAL ONANISM MUST HAVE ENDED IN A CRESCENDO AT THE END OF YOUR POST OF DRIVEL
There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger!!! Allahu Akbar!!!!
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Aliroger1 are you trying to get young boys interested in your homosexual practices?
-
Seeing you would like him to mentally Masturbate for you.
-
And God spoke all these words, saying,

I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

1.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

3.

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
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Aliroger1 is not weird that God never mentioned that his name was also Allah in any of the Old Testaments books.
-
Neither did Jesus in the New Testament ever mentioned that his father's name was Allah?
-
Maybe they already knew that Allah was one of the many false God the Arabs worships.
Hence the reason long before the birth of Muhammad, that Muhammad's father had Allah in his name.
-
For tribes in Saudi already worshiped a false God called Allah.
Abdullah Was the name given to Muhammad's father at his birth >>>>> meant the “slave of Allah” or servant of Allah.
Fredrick

Australia

#37497 Mar 2, 2013
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37499 Mar 2, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Some years ago on television an interview was conducted of two Muslim men who didn't share your viewpoint.
They made Jesus out to be of no more important than any other .
Why is there a difference between that of Jesus to that of Muhammad seeing Islam acknowledges Jesus as being godly .
How I am answerable to every Muslim on this planet. I talk with reason and logic.

If you find any thing wrong in it, challenge it.

But saying two other Muslims did not agree with it is meaningless. How can I know what were their reasoning?

Why you people act so dumb? Is it part of your "makeup"?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37500 Mar 2, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
If it doesn't exist MUQ ,why is it written into Islamic scripture as displayed here on this forum ?
I gave you my reason and my explanation.

Jesus asked his followers to get sword....that is ALSO written in scriptures.

But if you read only that portion and not what is written after that, whose fault is it? Yours or Scriptures?

I said that if some one says some thing wrong to "save his life" (provided in his heart he still believes in Islam), it is OK.

How it could became a "fundamental teaching of Islam"? How can an exception become a rule?

Why you people act so dumb? Is it also a part of "makeup"?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#37501 Mar 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I gave you my reason and my explanation.
Jesus asked his followers to get sword....that is ALSO written in scriptures.
But if you read only that portion and not what is written after that, whose fault is it? Yours or Scriptures?
I said that if some one says some thing wrong to "save his life" (provided in his heart he still believes in Islam), it is OK.
How it could became a "fundamental teaching of Islam"? How can an exception become a rule?
Why you people act so dumb? Is it also a part of "makeup"?
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And Jesus was going to conquer the whole Roman army with 12 swords.
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For that is all Jesus had as an army the 12 disciples.
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MUQ again it shows how stupid you are.
BashBoris

Australia

#37502 Mar 3, 2013
Baron44 wrote:
<quoted text>
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And Jesus was going to conquer the whole Roman army with 12 swords.
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For that is all Jesus had as an army the 12 disciples.
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MUQ again it shows how stupid you are.
after reading your posts you should get an Oscar for being the stupidest person on this planet, I am afraid your mother raised a real stupid kid. Generally speaking mongrel race children have lower IQ like yours. Are you a mongrel?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37503 Mar 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
How I am answerable to every Muslim on this planet. I talk with reason and logic.
If you find any thing wrong in it, challenge it.
But saying two other Muslims did not agree with it is meaningless. How can I know what were their reasoning?
Why you people act so dumb? Is it part of your "makeup"?
Which MUQ are you ?
Is there a numbering system that you wait your turn to clock in to your time slot to talk your Islam with us ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37504 Mar 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I gave you my reason and my explanation.
Jesus asked his followers to get sword....that is ALSO written in scriptures.
But if you read only that portion and not what is written after that, whose fault is it? Yours or Scriptures?
I said that if some one says some thing wrong to "save his life" (provided in his heart he still believes in Islam), it is OK.
How it could became a "fundamental teaching of Islam"? How can an exception become a rule?
Why you people act so dumb? Is it also a part of "makeup"?
You are using culture to explain Islam whereas it is written as cited here no different to your offering that there is a difference in the explanation of Muhammads political Islam.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37506 Mar 3, 2013
Baron44 wrote:
<quoted text>
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Aliroger1 are you trying to get young boys interested in your homosexual practices?
-
Seeing you would like him to mentally Masturbate for you.
-
And God spoke all these words, saying,
I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
1.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
3.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
-
Aliroger1 is not weird that God never mentioned that his name was also Allah in any of the Old Testaments books.
-
Neither did Jesus in the New Testament ever mentioned that his father's name was Allah?
-
Maybe they already knew that Allah was one of the many false God the Arabs worships.
Hence the reason long before the birth of Muhammad, that Muhammad's father had Allah in his name.
-
For tribes in Saudi already worshiped a false God called Allah.
Abdullah Was the name given to Muhammad's father at his birth >>>>> meant the “slave of Allah” or servant of Allah.
Who wrote the Old Testament,were it the same operation as it was the mob who wrote the Islamic Quran ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37507 Mar 3, 2013
MalbarCACA Controllers wrote:
<quoted text>
No LATM's MalbarCACA IMPOSTOR, IDENTITY THIEVES, Gallahs KAKA LIKI idiotic 1 monkey moronic ChokraFAGBOY Pilon Bumchod Indomauritian Balmiki Bhangi BABOON Gaand marau Ghondoos post or discussion will be tolerated.
seek help you fu ckwit.
Are you the entertainment ?
How about doing a disapearance act into a mirror
MUQ all Fu

Sydney, Australia

#37509 Mar 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Now so many "experts" have spoke about Taqiyya that it is part of Islam and mentioned in Quran and sayings of prophet.
Well , who will listen to the words of a "novice" in presence of the "united decision of these so many experts"
Yet.
There is nothing like Taqaiyya and Kitman in Islam. Just to say a few words to save one's life is not a fundamental teaching of Islam. This is
for people who have weak faith. If they speak something wrong to save their and their family member' lives, when threatened with death or dire consequences..... becomes a "normal teaching" of Islam.
And there have been hundreds of thousands of examples where Muslims have died and did not say bad words about Islam and renegaded from
their faith.
So I repeat once again that there is nothing called Taqaiyya in Islam and there is nothing like
Kitmaan in Islam.
Taqaiyya means to speak a lie deliberately to mislead other , which is nothing but lying which is one of Big Sin in Islam
And Kitmaan is to hide their faith and do not tell it to others....this is also highly disliked in Islam.
These are my thoughts as a "Novice"....but since "Experts have already passed their judgment" who will listen to the Novice?
No one in fact!!
Muq / You stand accused of Taqiyya and Kitman.
You demonstrate many examples of outright lies and also avoiding the question to also deceive.
All Muslims are taught to lie.
Islam is based on lies.
The Quran outlines the instructions to all Muslims to lie, as refered to here in the thread in the many sura's, hafeeth, islamic law and examples given.
You lie about Islam just like you lie about honoring jesus - when the fact is all Muslims are trained (sura 4:153/158) to believe Jesus was an imposter that colluded with the Jews and Romans to fake his crucifixion. And that Jesus was the false prophet not muhammad - that's exactly what the Quran says and is what you are taught.
Beats me why you or any other Muslim continue with your amateurish lies and false claims, when the whole of Islam is so patently fake anyway.
The irony of an Indian defending Islam isn't lost either, no Indian ever chose islam by choice.
Not one. They are slaves subjugated into Islam because their parents were weak or were quislings of the mughals. That's the shame of being an Indian Muslem. Slave to Allah and also the Arabs, your destiny is a second class citizen that will never be allowed into an Arab only heaven. Just like you how you have to stay in non Arab quarters, and every Arab has to wash themselves if they come into contact with you.
Not a relgion or an ideology you can be proud of.
Seems to me your trapped like many others in a fake copycat outdated series of superstitions & nonsense.
And as you can't get out of it, your all f.u. abouf that.
So then you think you can score 'allah points' by practicing your taquiyya and kitman on others.

Allah Akbhar tossers

Sydney, Australia

#37511 Mar 3, 2013
Aliroger1 wrote:
<quoted text>
YOUR MENTAL ONANISM MUST HAVE ENDED IN A CRESCENDO AT THE END OF YOUR POST OF DRIVEL
There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger!!! Allahu Akbar!!!!
Ha, another ignorant muslim afraid of the truth.
But you use English incorrectly.
Onaism (after the son of Judah) is a better term to describe Muhhamad. Muhhammad was literally the son of an unknown father and betrayed his hosts the Jews. Same as Judah, a soul that betrayed others to the devil (jinns included).
Muhhammad was also well known as a relguous nutter or tosser and a declared mastubator of idols (known as the Sabean) well as a prodigious pedophile and pervert, as well as indulging in sex with animals (yep, read his rulings on that it's ok as long as you dont eat the bits he bukkad).
If you read your quran it's all there in print.
Otherwise I can pull out the relevant sura's for
you ignorant one.
Allah akbhar.
"Allah" means al a Hubal - the original idol imported from Syria in 180ad set up to address al-liah the moon god. This large human idol was a caste off from the syrians who sold it to the Meccans in setting up their religious trade business shortly after Mecca was first established in 150ad. It was known as the lord of the Kaaba -(MUQ still worships this spirit today) and originally stood in the Kaaba ( open area ), then on the roof of the Kaaba shell, and finally inside the Kaaba when it was enclosed in 450ad.
A large red stone human idol with a gilt hand and divinity arrows that Arabs paid tribute to get divinity readings from al-lah. Next to the idol was the large black stone,'proof of al-lah' as moon bits sent from heaven.(later completely destroyed by the quarmations in 930ad along with much of Mecca & the kaaba to try and stop the fake idol worship that Islam had become and still is today. Today's black stone is in fact some unassociated desert gravel later returned for a ransom and glued together in a small patch to try and emulate the original 'moon bits' of al-liar.
Muhhamad foster father (died 2 years before muhhammad was born but used as a proxy to cover up that Muhhamad was born of incest)
was called abdullah or 'slave of allah'
Slave of what.
He was Slave of Hubal or al liah the moon god
of the quraeesh - also known as Sin.
Muhammad cut & paste "Allah" for "Jehovah" in what was known as the proto Quran or Tuba'h's book of rules, a dominant Jewish based Arab sect accomodating the ishmaelite tradition of the Yemenites.
Still with me ignorant one ?
This is Islam , evolved, no miracle, an Arab ethnic apostasy then perverted by muhammad after the Jews rejected him as a heretic in 624ad.

Akbhar means "greater". So does allah (moon, heavens, greater).
So when a Muslim say " Allah akbhar " they are saying nonsense - literally greater greater
Greater than what ?
Well greater, most big biggest biggest of all greater great bigger than..
This phrase must be the ultimate onaism of all !
Almost all Muslims dont even know what Allah or akbhar actually even mean.
It means literally what ever you say our god is greater than that, infinity times greater etc.
Of course the moon has proved to be just a small moon on a small planet on a small solar system in a galaxy of billions -and in fact the moon did not precede or was the centre of the universe, far from it in fact.
So the claim that their moon god Allah was universal and supreme & the 'centre' of everything now looks very illogical and a poor choice.
Alkah is not 'akbhar' at all..
The childlike illogical false claims of the ignorant within Islam. Running around chanting 7th century idol worship slogans without understanding how stupid they literally are.

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