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BashBoris

Australia

#37273 Feb 23, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Then buzz off because you are lowering the tone
you sound like an illegitimate offspring of these gay criminals, can you recognize which one?

Yesterday we learned the real reason for the Pope’s resignation: The Church has been penetrated, at its highest levels, by a homosexual embezzlement ring. According to Dr. Robert Moynihan of Inside the Vatican magazine, a secret report on the homosexual crime ring, and associated blackmail problems, was given to the Pope on December 17. This report, Dr. Moynihan tells us,“overwhelmed his spirit within him” and “made his heart desolate.”(The original source of these revelations, which Dr. Moynihan seemingly confirms, was an article in La Republica.)

Why didn’t the Pope simply fire the malefactors? Apparently, like the criminal banks that are “too big to fail,” the larcenous pederasts in the Church are “too big to fire.” In other words, the Catholic Church has been taken over by an organized crime ring of embezzlers and sexual deviants.

The Catholic Church, the largest and most powerful religious organization on earth, has long seen itself as the moral guardian of the Western world. Despite a long history of scandals, the Church has always retained its status as the source of moral authority for the world’s Catholics, who currently number 1.2 billion.

But Pope Benedict’s resignation - a tacit admission that even the absolute ruler of the church is powerless in the face of the Vatican’s “untouchable” gay crime ring - raises the ancient but always-relevant question: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will guard the guardians?
BashBoris

Australia

#37274 Feb 23, 2013
The cancer of criminality and sexual deviance in the Catholic Church is symptomatic of the growing decadence that afflicts Western civilization, and pushes it toward its inevitable decline and fall. As the Chinese understand, the “mandate of heaven”- a sort of divine legitimacy bestowed on civilizations and their rulers - has been removed from the Catholic Church, the heart of that heartless world known as the West. By extension, the whole Western world has lost the mandate of heaven.

Dr. Michael Jones, a noted Catholic author who edits Culture Wars magazine, argues that sexuality has been weaponized by Zionists and freemasons and used to destroy the Christian West. The same forces, he adds, are also targeting the Muslim East. When the Israelis invade Palestine and broadcast pornography on Palestinian TV, when well-funded clandestine groups distribute pornographic DVDs in Muslim countries, and when the Rockefeller-Rothschild cabal funds such sexual liberationists as the pedophile rapist Dr. Alfred Kinsey, a “culture war” is being waged against the moral grounding that holds families and societies together, according to Dr. Jones.

The rise of sexual deviancy, and subsequent decline of Western civilization, is a problem that goes far beyond the boundaries of the Catholic Church. Just as there is an “untouchable” gay crime ring in the Vatican, a very similar criminal cabal is equally “untouchable” at the highest levels of power in the United States.

This criminal cabal was exposed in the Franklin Savings and Loan scandal, brilliantly described by journalist Nick Bryant in his book The Franklin Scandal: A Story of Powerbrokers, Child Abuse, and Betrayal. Bryant summarizes his book as “the story of a nationwide pedophile ring that pandered children to a cabal of the rich and powerful. The ring’s pimps were a pair of political powerbrokers who had access to the highest levels of our government. Nebraska legislators nearly exposed the ring in 1990, but its unveiling had the potential to produce seismic political aftershocks. The legislators’ efforts resulted in rash of mysterious deaths and the overpowering corruption of federal and local law enforcement, including the FBI, Secret Service, and Justice Department, effecting an immaculate cover-up of the trafficking network.”

Bryant’s book shows that all relevant US government agencies, as well as all significant major media outlets in the US, are controlled (or at least intimidated) by a crime network that kidnaps thousands of children and sells them as sex slaves to members of the American political and financial elite, and then uses the videos and photos for blackmail. Among the most notorious child-abusers are the two Presidents Bush.

Convincing testimony from abused children, cited by Nick Bryant, implicated President George H.W. Bush as one of the many elite Americans who enjoyed the services of child sex slaves. On June 29, 1989, the Washington Times reported this story under the screaming headline:“Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush:‘Call Boys’ took midnight tours of White House.”
BashBoris

Australia

#37275 Feb 23, 2013
Bush Jr. apparently inherited the same proclivities as his father. During the Bush II presidency, the notorious homosexual prostitute Jeff Gannon, disguised as a journalist, made several overnight stays in the White House.

The younger Bush’s sexual deviancy apparently isn’t limited to homosexuality and pedophilia. According to a report by former National Security Agency officer Wayne Madsen:“The orders to take the sexually-oriented photos and videos (at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere), some of which involve teenage Iraqi boys and girls and sodomization by their guards, came directly from a pedophile and closeted male homosexual ring operating in the White House, according to intelligence sources. Copies of the tapes and photos were sent directly to the White House for the entertainment of senior members of the Bush White House, including officials in the Vice President’s office and the Executive Office of the President… installation of live streaming black boxes in the White House and the Eisenhower Old Executive Office Building were used to stream live video of torture sessions in Guantanamo, Cuba and Abu Ghraib to the Old Executive Office Building office of Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief Counsel David Addington and into the White House, itself.”

Why is this gay crime ring untouchable? Apparently, it “owns” the US government by virtue of the blackmail photos and videos it holds on all major powerbrokers.(Anyone who doubts this should consult any decent biography of former FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover, who likewise “owned” the US government thanks to his collection of blackmail photos… and was himself “owned” by Mafia chief Meyer Lansky, who held a photo of Hoover in a compromising position.)

Both 2004 presidential candidates, George W. Bush and John Kerry, are members of Skull and Bones, a satanic secret society based on sexual deviance and organized crime. Bush and Kerry each, during their induction to Skull and Bones, laid naked in a coffin in front of the older Bonesmen, enjoying themselves while recounting their entire sexual histories.

The US military, too, hosts a similar crime ring. Kay Griggs, ex-wife of a Marine Colonel, has described the horrors she endured at the hands of a homosexual/rapist/pedophile ring that was just as “untouchable” as the Vatican sex mafia that brought down the Pope.

The US military’s domination by criminal sexual deviants is epitomized by the case of the notorious child molester Col. Michael Aquino. Col. Aquino, who managed to get himself expelled from the Church of Satan for being too evil, went on to beat a well-documented child abuse rap. He later became one of the US military’s most senior specialists on psychological warfare and mind control.

In another “gay mafia” scandal, David Ferrie, a CIA operative and former Catholic priest who was defrocked for pedophilia, and “gay CIA mafia” kingpin Clay Shaw, were prosecuted for the JFK assassination by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison. Naturally, homosexual groups protested when Oliver Stone’s film JFK depicted these events accurately.

Today’s leaders of the West, in short, are virtually indistinguishable from the gang-rapists who ran Sodom and Gomorrah.
BashBoris

Australia

#37276 Feb 23, 2013
And the “trickle-down” effect of elite deviance is destroying Western civilization. Today in the USA, roughly half of marriages end in divorce, and growing numbers of children - a majority in some communities - are being born out of wedlock. Drugs, crime, pornography addiction, and other vices are endemic.

The decadent West, not surprisingly, is losing its economic domination of the world. Jon Moynihan, Executive Chairman of PA Consulting Group, made a presentation at the London School of Economics earlier this year entitled “The Continued Economic Decline of the West.” Moynihan says it is “highly predictable” that Western incomes and living standards will be roughly halved during the next two decades. This unprecedented catastrophe, he writes, is virtually inevitable.

Will Pope Benedict’s resignation one day be viewed as the moment when the “mandate of heaven” passed from Christianity to Islam? Will Muslims be able to maintain their integrity and family values in the face of a morally-degraded and decadent neo-colonialism? Or will the Catholic Church recover from this potentially mortal blow, turn away from its entanglements with Zionism and freemasonry, and forge a new alliance - grounded in traditional morality - with the Muslim world?

cant hide the truth convicts, the good people of the world have caught on to your evil and mother Russia will fix things

by

Dr. Kevin Barrett, a Ph.D. Arabist-Islamologist, is one of America's best-known critics of the War on Terror. Dr. Barrett has appeared many times on Fox, CNN, PBS and other broadcast outlets, and has inspired feature stories and op-eds in the New York Times, the Christian Science Monitor, the Chicago Tribune, and other leading publications. Dr. Barrett has taught at colleges and universities in San Francisco, Paris, and Wisconsin, where he ran for Congress in 2008. He is the co-founder of the Muslim-Christian-Jewish Alliance, and author of the books Truth Jihad: My Epic Struggle Against the 9/11 Big Lie (2007) and Questioning the War on Terror: A Primer for Obama Voters (2009). His website is www.truthjihad.com . More articles by Dr. Kevin Barrett
Sure

Wentworthville, Australia

#37277 Feb 23, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Go to NQ and see how many Papuans own real estate.
Butterworth Malaysia was an Australian air force base,Kangaroo Valley Penang is where they lived .
Your assumption of my prognosis was correct
Ok sure, well if we had a some sense of obligation to anyone it's our own people and lifestyle first. Maybe ex colonies second. Then the rest of the world.
The japs or the singaporeans seem to be able to manage border control and not be a target for
Hindu's or Muslims to bring in all their crap and colonize.
How many mosques or hindu temples in Tokyo one could ask ?:)

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#37278 Feb 23, 2013
Sure wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok sure, well if we had a some sense of obligation to anyone it's our own people and lifestyle first. Maybe ex colonies second. Then the rest of the world.
The japs or the singaporeans seem to be able to manage border control and not be a target for
Hindu's or Muslims to bring in all their crap and colonize.
How many mosques or hindu temples in Tokyo one could ask ?:)
I wonder why some countries point blank don't allow foreigners permanent residency whilst others do ?
Each entry costs the loss to an Australian who needs government support to live.
Each entry adds another person to the list of those who needs medical help that takes years to obtain.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#37279 Feb 23, 2013
BashBoris wrote:
And the “trickle-down” effect of elite deviance is destroying Western civilization. Today in the USA, roughly half of marriages end in divorce, and growing numbers of children - a majority in some communities - are being born out of wedlock. Drugs, crime, pornography addiction, and other vices are endemic.
The decadent West, not surprisingly, is losing its economic domination of the world. Jon Moynihan, Executive Chairman of PA Consulting Group, made a presentation at the London School of Economics earlier this year entitled “The Continued Economic Decline of the West.” Moynihan says it is “highly predictable” that Western incomes and living standards will be roughly halved during the next two decades. This unprecedented catastrophe, he writes, is virtually inevitable.
Will Pope Benedict’s resignation one day be viewed as the moment when the “mandate of heaven” passed from Christianity to Islam? Will Muslims be able to maintain their integrity and family values in the face of a morally-degraded and decadent neo-colonialism? Or will the Catholic Church recover from this potentially mortal blow, turn away from its entanglements with Zionism and freemasonry, and forge a new alliance - grounded in traditional morality - with the Muslim world?
cant hide the truth convicts, the good people of the world have caught on to your evil and mother Russia will fix things
by
Dr. Kevin Barrett, a Ph.D. Arabist-Islamologist, is one of America's best-known critics of the War on Terror. Dr. Barrett has appeared many times on Fox, CNN, PBS and other broadcast outlets, and has inspired feature stories and op-eds in the New York Times, the Christian Science Monitor, the Chicago Tribune, and other leading publications. Dr. Barrett has taught at colleges and universities in San Francisco, Paris, and Wisconsin, where he ran for Congress in 2008. He is the co-founder of the Muslim-Christian-Jewish Alliance, and author of the books Truth Jihad: My Epic Struggle Against the 9/11 Big Lie (2007) and Questioning the War on Terror: A Primer for Obama Voters (2009). His website is www.truthjihad.com . More articles by Dr. Kevin Barrett
The Catholic Empire has come crashing down much like the Roman Empire most likely for the same reason.
This would be a good time for those descibed as catholics to turn directly to god seeing they can't trust the Vatican to be pure as they make themselves out to be .
MUQ LOTK fail

Wentworthville, Australia

#37280 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
The Lord of Kaaba is to worshipped in Spirit and without any Form or Shape.
And that was the practice of All Prophets of God, thru out the ages. As mentioned in the First and Second of then famous Ten Commandments.
Hey Muq , your really confusing .
You say you worship a lord of the Ka'ba and then you quote the bible as to why.

Here is the ten commandments.
You contradict 1 and 2, not follow them.

1) I am Lord God Jehovah. Islam Fail.
2) Do not worship any other God. Islam fail.
3) Don't take Jehovah's name in vain. Islam fail.
4) Shabbat/ rest on 7th day. Islam fail.
5) Honor father & mother. Islam..which one?
6) Do not kill. Islam fail.
7) Do not commit adultery. Islam fail, encouraged
8) Do not steal. Islam fail, encouraged.
9) Dont bear false witness(lie).Islam encouraged.
10) Don't covet what is others. Islam fail.

Now getting back to the Lord of the Kaaba.
You admit you worship the lord of the Kaaba.
That's widely known as Hubal the idol of Allah pre-muhaamad, but you deny that also.
You then say as per commandments 1 & 2 above.
So you are saying you worship Jehovah as the 'lord of the kaaba'?
Thats very odd and incorrect.

Jehovah was never in a idol or a structure, in
fact the jewish commandment 2 expressly forbids it as an idol and spirit physical worship that you confess to,('as we circulate we point to not the black stone but we ) worship the Lord of the
kaaba'

The Meccan Kaaba didn't exist at the time of
moses or even Jesus.
Neither did Hubal or Mecca itself.
Jehovah is certainly not a god living inside a 1,600 year old many times rebuilt Meccan stone shed built to house idols by desert Arabs imitating true religious beliefs of others to sell as trade.

Q. So again - what are you worshipping as the
'lord' of the Kaaba as a place/object and why ?
Immigration etc

Wentworthville, Australia

#37281 Feb 23, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder why some countries point blank don't allow foreigners permanent residency whilst others do ?
Each entry costs the loss to an Australian who needs government support to live.
Each entry adds another person to the list of those who needs medical help that takes years to obtain.
Yep. Go try and live in India or Jordan and take a locals job. Or buy property. Or get welfare or health care.
Australia is a paradise for low class unskilled 'vote' people who propagate once the anchor is in place via fake visa or immigration racket a bludge of millions per family in economic cost burden. Mean while the best and brightest from Europe or USA or Uk can't get in.
Youth unemployment in Aust is now 43%.
Why ? Because literally millions of low skilled third world people have stolen those jobs and those entry point into the workforce from our children.
Immigrants have massively lowered our standard of living, congested our cities, been a burden, increased social tension and crime, and with dual passports they are encouraged not to assimlate or be part of society.
We should have a bond system, say $250k deposit, and the immigrant only gets residency after 10 years, passport after 15 years, and their money back 'net' of the cost of them coming here. Any crime or non assimilation issue, they should be interned & then deported.
No dual passports. No family reunion unless that member passes the same criteria.
All the fake learning and remote area visa schemes (to get TR, PR etc? should be shut down ASAP as well, these are nothing but outright immigration rackets bringing in black market labor and crime syndicates.
Sounds harsh ? This is the process used by many other countries who do have control of their borders to ensure they get to choose what comes in.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#37282 Feb 23, 2013
BashBoris wrote:
<quoted text>
you sound like an illegitimate offspring of these gay criminals, can you recognize which one?
Yesterday we learned the real reason for the Pope’s resignation: The Church has been penetrated, at its highest levels, by a homosexual embezzlement ring. According to Dr. Robert Moynihan of Inside the Vatican magazine, a secret report on the homosexual crime ring, and associated blackmail problems, was given to the Pope on December 17. This report, Dr. Moynihan tells us,“overwhelmed his spirit within him” and “made his heart desolate.”(The original source of these revelations, which Dr. Moynihan seemingly confirms, was an article in La Republica.)
Why didn’t the Pope simply fire the malefactors? Apparently, like the criminal banks that are “too big to fail,” the larcenous pederasts in the Church are “too big to fire.” In other words, the Catholic Church has been taken over by an organized crime ring of embezzlers and sexual deviants.
The Catholic Church, the largest and most powerful religious organization on earth, has long seen itself as the moral guardian of the Western world. Despite a long history of scandals, the Church has always retained its status as the source of moral authority for the world’s Catholics, who currently number 1.2 billion.
But Pope Benedict’s resignation - a tacit admission that even the absolute ruler of the church is powerless in the face of the Vatican’s “untouchable” gay crime ring - raises the ancient but always-relevant question: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will guard the guardians?
I don't support the catholic church or its beliefs so why are you telling me this "news". If the establishment closed down tomorrow I would throw a party. What you have posted is irrelevant to this thread so go and spread your unproven gossip somewhere more relevant and to someone who is interested. Some of us will stay on topic and deal with the scum who are killing innocent people around the world in the name of the false prophet Muhammad

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#37283 Feb 23, 2013
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_04_D...

Qur'an 21:56 "He said,'Nay, your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and earth, He created them and I am a witness to this. I have a plot for your idols and will do something against them after you go away and turn your backs.' So he broke them to pieces,(all) but the biggest of them, that they might turn to it." A second translation says: "Then he reduced them to fragments, all save the chief of them, that haply they might have recourse to it."

This is one of the most incriminating verses in the Qur'an. Muhammad did this very thing. The prophet took the largest of the pagan idols of the Ka'aba - Allah - and promoted it to the exclusion of the others. He broke the smaller rock gods and elevated the Black Stone so that his people "might turn to it." It was as if the early Greeks had broken the statues of Athena, Poseidon, and Hermes so that they could worship the one true god Zeus. How was the biggest idol any more "god" than the other imposters?

While I'll continue to convey Islam’s version of dishonest Abe to illustrate how Muhammad crafted his religious scam, I would be remiss if I didn't credit the prophet with his first miracle. He just pounded a nail into his own coffin.

The Qur'anic story continues with these uninspired words: Qur'an 21:59 "They said,'Who has done this to our alihah (gods)?''He is a mischief-monger.''We heard a youth talk of them called Abraham.''Then bring him before us that he may testify.' They said,'Are you the one who did this?' He said:'No, it was done by the biggest idol! Ask the other idols if they can speak!'...They were utterly shamed and confounded.'You know they do not speak.' He said:'What! Do you then serve besides Allah what brings no profit, nor can harm you?'Fie [?] upon you, and upon the things that you worship besides Allah! Have you no sense.' They said,'Burn him and protect our gods.'" Since Allah never spoke, why didn't that shame Muhammad? And why would the supposed patriarch of monotheistic Islam tell his people that a pagan god smashed lesser idols? Would that not make the idol real? Moreover, the Muhammadized Abraham called a "god" false because it "cannot harm you." The implication is that Allah is real because he's fixated on sadistic torments. That's not good.

To be continued
Khuzaimah

Australia

#37284 Feb 23, 2013
The muslim world is paying the price, for allowing the evil element to infiltrate its religion.
* Daily riots
* Car bombs
* Poverty
* Violence
* legalized child molestation
* Torture
* Racism
* Misery
Denounce evil, not support it. And peace will come to the middle east.

I except the truth and live.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37285 Feb 23, 2013
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Iran and Everything Else

By Michael Parenti (Contd.)

But this isn’t what we ordinary Americans are told. When talking to us, a different tact is taken by U.S. opinion-makers and policymakers. To strike enough fear into the public, our leaders tell us that, like Iraq, Iran "might" develop weapons of mass destruction. And like Iraq, Iran is lead by people who hate America and want to destroy us and Israel. And like Iraq, Iran "might" develop into a regional power leading other nations in the Middle East down the "Hate America" path. So our leaders conclude for us: it might be necessary to
destroy Iran in an all-out aerial war.

It was President George W. Bush who in January 2002 cited Iraq, Iran, and North Korea as an "axis of evil." Iran exports terrorism and "pursues" weapons of mass destruction. Sooner or later this axis would have to be dealt with in the severest way, Bush insisted.

These official threats and jeremiads are intended to leave us with the impression that Iran is not ruled by "good Muslims." The "good Muslims"---as defined by the White House and the State Department---are the reactionary extremists and feudal tyrants who ride high in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirate, Bahrain, and other countries that provide the United States with military bases, buy large shipments of U.S. arms, vote as Washington wants in the United Nations, enter free trade agreements with the Western capitalist nations, and propagate a wide-open deregulated free-market economy.

The "good Muslims" invite the IMF and the western corporations to come in and help themselves to the country’s land, labor, markets, industry, natural resources and anything else the international plutocracy might desire.

Unlike the "good Muslims," the "bad Muslims" of Iran take an anti-imperialist stance. They try to get out from under the clutches of the U.S. global imperium. For this, Iran may yet pay a heavy price. Think of what has been happening to Iraq, Libya, and now Syria. For its unwillingness to throw itself open to Western corporate pillage, Iran is already being subjected to heavy sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies. Sanctions hurt the ordinary population most of all. Unemployment and poverty increase. The government is unable to maintain human services. The public infrastructure begins to deteriorate and evaporate: privatization by attrition.

Iran has pursued an enriched uranium program, same as any nation has the right to do. The enrichment has been low-level for peaceful use, not the kind necessary for nuclear bombs. Iranian leaders, both secular and theocratic have been explicit about the useless horrors of nuclear weaponry and nuclear war.

Appearing on the Charlie Rose show when he was visiting the USA, Iranian president Ahmadinejad pointed out that nuclear weapons have never saved anyone. The Soviet Union had nuclear weapons; was it saved? he asked. India and Pakistan have nuclear weapons; have they found peace and security? Israel has nuclear weapons: has it found peace and security? And the United States itself has nuclear weapons and nuclear fleets patrolling the world and it seems obsessively preoccupied with being targeted by real or imagined enemies. Ahmadinejad, the wicked one, sounded so much more rational and humane than Hillary Clinton snarling her tough-guy threats at this or that noncompliant nation.
Really

UK

#37286 Feb 23, 2013
Hillary clinton needs a break she should appear in porn sucking Nazi Jewish cheap cocks
Terry

Australia

#37288 Feb 23, 2013
Really wrote:
Hillary clinton needs a break she should appear in porn sucking Nazi Jewish cheap cocks
Keep your Dirty Filthy Racist Immigrant mouth for your Dirty Filthy Immigrant Colleagues, no wonder you hate filled peasants are despised the world over.
qaxyax

Pittsburgh, PA

#37289 Feb 23, 2013
youtube.com/watch... ……
Aussie are servents to Muslims
Jim

Australia

#37290 Feb 23, 2013
qaxyax wrote:
youtube.com/watch?v=R_3d8Oteeq w ……
Aussie are servents to Muslims
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37291 Feb 23, 2013
MUQT wrote:
We can agree (because there is substantial evidence within & outside of islam that concurs..)
that the 'lord of the Kaaba' was originally Hubal the Syrian idol imported to Mecca not long after it's first establishment in 180ad - to which prayers or divinity requests were addressed to Allah via this Idol who then provided by a series of arrows an answer from Allah.
This idol was the 'lord of the Kaaba' you refer to and did not exist (nor did the Kaaba at Mecca) in the old testament. This 'lord of the Kaaba' being the supreme idol at Mecca was removed and replaced muhhammad being allah's (only) messenger according to what you believe.
There is only one 'lord of the Kaaba' in Islam and this is the old Hubal idol of the quareesh.
So what you say jars against every other rule in Islam of no idol worship and only one lord or god.
Q. MUQ - Do you mean that you worship the spirit of the destroyed Hubal idol god, as some abstracted spirit that communicates to and from Allah (that is not Muhammad)?
Ans.

I think the answer I gave to another gentleman would suffice to you also. So I reproduce it for your own benefit.

"05. Hubal and other statues and idols in and around Kaaba were not the "original tenants" of the Kaaba so to say.

When Prophet Abraham and Ishmael built Kaaba there were no idols and no Hubals there.

06. So these idols were "illegal tenants" of Kaaba, who were thrown out when prophet restored the Kaaba to its original purity.

07. We are worshipping the "Lord of Kaaba" in spirit and love. Kaaba is our direction of prayer and not our "object of prayer". In Arabic it is called Qibla

PS:

It seems that you are totally confused and do not even know, how to press charges!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37292 Feb 23, 2013
MUQF wrote:
Hey Muq , your really confusing .
You say you worship a lord of the Ka'ba and then you quote the bible as to why.

Here is the ten commandments.
You contradict 1 and 2, not follow them.

1) I am Lord God Jehovah. Islam Fail.
2) Do not worship any other God. Islam fail.
3) Don't take Jehovah's name in vain. Islam fail.
4) Shabbat/ rest on 7th day. Islam fail.
5) Honor father & mother. Islam..which one?
6) Do not kill. Islam fail.
7) Do not commit adultery. Islam fail, encouraged
8) Do not steal. Islam fail, encouraged.
9) Dont bear false witness(lie).Islam encouraged.
10) Don't covet what is others. Islam fail.

Now getting back to the Lord of the Kaaba.
You admit you worship the lord of the Kaaba.
That's widely known as Hubal the idol of Allah pre-muhaamad, but you deny that also.
You then say as per commandments 1 & 2 above.
So you are saying you worship Jehovah as the 'lord of the kaaba'?
Thats very odd and incorrect.

Jehovah was never in a idol or a structure, in
fact the jewish commandment 2 expressly forbids it as an idol and spirit physical worship that you confess to,('as we circulate we point to not the black stone but we ) worship the Lord of the
kaaba'

The Meccan Kaaba didn't exist at the time of
moses or even Jesus.
Neither did Hubal or Mecca itself.
Jehovah is certainly not a god living inside a 1,600 year old many times rebuilt Meccan stone shed built to house idols by desert Arabs imitating true religious beliefs of others to sell as trade.

Q. So again - what are you worshipping as the
'lord' of the Kaaba as a place/object and why ?
Ans.

01. From where you got the word Jehovah? It is nowhere mentioned in the Bible? If it is "mutilation" of the word YHWH , then YHWH and Allah of Arabic are one and the same thing.!!

02. So Islam "pass" in all the tests except having Sabbath on Saturday.

03. But Sabbath was only for Jews and not Non Jews (As St. Paul of Christianity confirmed), so Muslims not following Sabbath on Saturday have no blame.

04. And as jesus said "Son of Man is also the Lord of Sabbath"…..in the same way "Our prophet was also the Lord of Sabbath" and he chose Friday and not Saturday.

05. Hubal and other statues and idols in and around Kaaba were not the "original tenants" of the Kaaba so to say.

When Prophet Abraham and Ishmael built Kaaba there were no idols and no Hubals there.

06. So these idols were "illegal tenants" of Kaaba, who were thrown out when prophet restored the Kaaba to its original purity.

07. We are worshipping the "Lord of Kaaba" in spirit and love. Kaaba is our direction of prayer and not our "object of prayer". In Arabic it is called Qibla.

PS:

It seems that you are totally confused and do not even know, how to press charges!!
Tom

Australia

#37293 Feb 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. From where you got the word Jehovah? It is nowhere mentioned in the Bible? If it is "mutilation" of the word YHWH , then YHWH and Allah of Arabic are one and the same thing.!!
02. So Islam "pass" in all the tests except having Sabbath on Saturday.
03. But Sabbath was only for Jews and not Non Jews (As St. Paul of Christianity confirmed), so Muslims not following Sabbath on Saturday have no blame.
04. And as jesus said "Son of Man is also the Lord of Sabbath"…..in the same way "Our prophet was also the Lord of Sabbath" and he chose Friday and not Saturday.
05. Hubal and other statues and idols in and around Kaaba were not the "original tenants" of the Kaaba so to say.
When Prophet Abraham and Ishmael built Kaaba there were no idols and no Hubals there.
06. So these idols were "illegal tenants" of Kaaba, who were thrown out when prophet restored the Kaaba to its original purity.
07. We are worshipping the "Lord of Kaaba" in spirit and love. Kaaba is our direction of prayer and not our "object of prayer". In Arabic it is called Qibla.
PS:
It seems that you are totally confused and do not even know, how to press charges!!
Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

look above, pathetic nonsense

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Jihadi John my best worker: IT boss 9 hr Jihadi Jons Boss 2
Cuba honors five spies who served long prison t... 13 hr WE JUST DONT CARE 3
Bin Laden son-in-law arrested in Jordan is brou... (Mar '13) 20 hr swedenforever 63
Putin directs Muslim anger toward Cold War foes Sun uther pendragon 4
Disturbance on Ireland-Bound Flight (Mar '08) Feb 28 PTSD Hughes 19
Unmasking of 'Jihadi John' as a London lad shoc... Feb 28 rajesh 3
Awakening: The Global Islamic Jihad Fifth Colum... Feb 28 MADOFF 3
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