Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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BashBoris

Australia

#37241 Feb 22, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
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Convicted criminals do that, yes.
If u want to call Aussies "convicts", that's inaccurate. The children of the prisoners shipped out here were known as Currency children. So should their descendants.
All the same, I don't really care what u call us.
Australian society has always had its shallow roots in some form of populism, with a tincture of agrarian socialism thrown in. The image of the wealthy land, verdant even in a hostile environment, was always suggestive – an island mentality was just as easily transformed into a fortress one. Plunderers have their pecking order, first in best dressed. It might have been the fears of Japanese encroachments – those of Alfred Deakin in the early 20th century, the discussion about “improper” east European Jews arriving after World War II, or the “Asian immigration” debate of the 1980s. In the 1990s and the first decade of the new millennium, the potential thieves and fellow plunderers, assumed different forms, wearing hijabs, and bashing another religious text. The currency of hatred never depreciates in a remorseless environment of plunder and acquisition.
Musoid

Australia

#37242 Feb 22, 2013
Good morning to the Miserable, Unhappy, Ungrateful Migrants living in our great Christian Land.
If you don't like living here LEAVE and go back to your Slumdog Lands from whence you came.

We have enough Whinging Wops here already , you won't be missed. F O
Musoid

Australia

#37243 Feb 22, 2013
Is it a little too boring for you here, with no bombs going off and children fleeing for their lives stepping over dismembered bodies like in your Good Ol Homeland ?

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/9/6...

Nothing like a Muslim Fertilizer Shiitebox driven into a town Sanctioned by the Lord.

Anyway your 72 Virginal Vagina's for Ye Holy Hairy Heathen are running out. So you are wasting your time.
Musoid

Australia

#37244 Feb 22, 2013
http://english.ahram.org.eg/Portal/1/Egypt.as...

MUQ is there any Muslim country on earth where Muslim people live peacefully ?

Or Is There Always Somebody Doing Something To Them ?
David

Australia

#37245 Feb 22, 2013
How dare you Musoid !! come here and start talking TRUTH and FACTS, keep in line with the Muslim posters with Lie's and Deception. Thankyou.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37246 Feb 22, 2013
MUQT wrote:
MUQ : The question is simple and has been asked 3 times now. The courtesy asked of you is that you answer it as it is to the topic of what is to be feared from Islam.

You stated that the Kaaba and the Quran are as old as eternity, before creation itself. You then outlined that you worship 'the lord of the kaaba'.
The question again :

Q. Is the Lord of the Kaaba also eternal like the Quran & the Kaaba ?

And a supplementary question once you have answered that.
Q. Did the 'lord of the Kaaba' ever exist in some revealed form or message or divinity attributed to him ?
Ans.

I did not answer any question in the way you are referring to.

In the Knowledge of God, there is nothing like past, present and future. Everything is "present" for Him so to say.

Quran is Word of God, so as eternal as Himself. But it came down to earth when Allah's last and final prophet got the mission.

In Quran, Kaaba is not mentioned as "eternal" . As per Quran Allah asked Abraham and Ishmael to construct a house where Allah' name and praises shall be sing. That house is Kaaba we see.

There are some prophetic sayings that there is "another Kaaba" on seventh heaven which is filled with angels singing praises of Allah. But that has nothing to do with this earth.

I think I answered both your "main question and any supplementary".

Would you get on and pose new question?

One Question at a time, please.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37247 Feb 22, 2013
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

Iran and Everything Else

By Michael Parenti (Contd.)

Now the furies of revolution have lashed back, thus far executing about 200 of the Shah’s henchmen—less than what the Savak would arrest and torture on a slow weekend. And now the U.S. press has suddenly become acutely concerned, keeping a careful account of the "victims," printing photos of firing squads and making repeated references to the "repulsion" and "outrage" felt by anonymous "middle-class" Iranians who apparently are endowed with finer sensibilities than the mass of ordinary people will bore the brunt of the Shah’s repression. At the same time, American commentators are quick to observe that the new regime is merely replacing one repression with another.

So it has always been with the recording of revolutions: the mass of nameless innocents victimized by the ancien régime go uncounted and unnoticed, but when the not-so-innocent murderers are brought to revolutionary justice, the business-owned press is suddenly filled with references to "brutality" and "cruelty."
That anyone could equate the horrors of the Shah’s regime with the ferment, change and struggle that is going on in Iran today is a tribute to the biases of the U.S. press, a press that has learned to treat the atrocities of the U.S.-supported right-wing regimes with benign neglect while casting a stern self-righteous eye on the popular revolutions that challenge such regimes.

Michael Parenti
Washington, D.C.

There is one glaring omission in this missive: I focused only on the press without mentioning how the White House and leading members of Congress repeatedly had hailed the Shah as America’s sturdy ally---while U.S. oil companies merrily plundered Iran’s oil (with a good slice of the spoils going to the Shah and his henchmen).

A few years before the 1979 upheaval, I was teaching a graduate course at Cornell University. There I met several Iranian graduate students who spoke with utter rage about the Shah and his U.S.-supported Savak secret police. They told of friends being tortured and disappeared. They could not find enough damning words to vent their fury. These students came from the kind of well-off Persian families one would have expected to support the Shah.(You don’t make it from Tehran to Cornell graduate school without some money in the family.)

All I knew about the Shah at that time came from the U.S. mainstream media. But after listening to these students I began to think that this Shah fellow was not the admirably benign leader and modernizer everyone was portraying in the news.

The Shah’s subsequent overthrow in the 1979 revolution was something to celebrate. Unfortunately the revolution soon was betrayed by the theocratic militants who took hold of events and created their Islamic Republic of Iran. These religious reactionaries set about to torture and eradicate thousands of young Iranian radicals. They made war upon secular leftists and "decadent" Western lifestyles, as they set about establishing a grim and corrupt theocracy.

MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37248 Feb 22, 2013
U.S. leaders and media had no critical words about the slaughter of leftist revolutionaries in Iran. If anything, they were quietly pleased. However, they remained hostile toward the Islamic regime. Why so? Regimes that kill revolutionaries and egalitarian reformists do not usually incite displeasure from the White House. If anything, the CIA and the Pentagon and the other imperial operatives who make the world safe for the Fortune 500 look most approvingly upon those who torture and murder Marxists and other leftists. Indeed, such counterrevolutionaries swiftly become the recipients of generous amounts of U.S. aid.

Why then did U.S. leaders denounce and threaten Iran and continue to do so to this day? The answer is: Iran’s Islamic Republic has other features that did not sit well with the western imperialists. Iran was-—and still is---a "dangerously" independent nation, unwilling to become a satellite to the U.S. global empire, unlike more compliant countries. Like Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Iran, with boundless audacity, gave every impression of wanting to use its land, labor, markets, and capital as it saw fit. Like Iraq---and Libya and Syria---Iran was committing the sin of economic nationalism. And like Iraq, Iran remained unwilling to establish cozy relations with Israel.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#37249 Feb 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
I did not answer any question in the way you are referring to.
In the Knowledge of God, there is nothing like past, present and future. Everything is "present" for Him so to say.
Quran is Word of God, so as eternal as Himself. But it came down to earth when Allah's last and final prophet got the mission.
In Quran, Kaaba is not mentioned as "eternal" . As per Quran Allah asked Abraham and Ishmael to construct a house where Allah' name and praises shall be sing. That house is Kaaba we see.
There are some prophetic sayings that there is "another Kaaba" on seventh heaven which is filled with angels singing praises of Allah. But that has nothing to do with this earth.
I think I answered both your "main question and any supplementary".
Would you get on and pose new question?
One Question at a time, please.
Ah MUQ, still defending the indefensible, you have the stamina of an arabian long distance racing camel, and the brains of one.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#37250 Feb 22, 2013
BashBoris wrote:
This is as unimaginative a forum as barren Australia is? morally, culturally, literary and civilization-ally. Very quickly one realizes its full of Indian slum-dogs who have infiltrated every miserable land, and a few white thieves, no wonder nothing intelligent ever gets discussed here.
Then buzz off because you are lowering the tone

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#37251 Feb 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
I did not answer any question in the way you are referring to.
In the Knowledge of God, there is nothing like past, present and future. Everything is "present" for Him so to say.
Quran is Word of God, so as eternal as Himself. But it came down to earth when Allah's last and final prophet got the mission.
In Quran, Kaaba is not mentioned as "eternal" . As per Quran Allah asked Abraham and Ishmael to construct a house where Allah' name and praises shall be sing. That house is Kaaba we see.
There are some prophetic sayings that there is "another Kaaba" on seventh heaven which is filled with angels singing praises of Allah. But that has nothing to do with this earth.
I think I answered both your "main question and any supplementary".
Would you get on and pose new question?
One Question at a time, please.
Yeah sure that's why the koran had to keep being abrogated. LOL Your false God didn't have the insight to get it right from the start!!!

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#37252 Feb 22, 2013
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_04_D...

Qur'an 37:90 "They turned their backs and went away. He turned to their gods secretly and said,'Will you not eat?''What is the matter with you that you don't speak?'" Deprived of place, time, and circumstance, this doesn't make sense. Where was he? Why did he go to these gods? What are their names? And since Allah never spoke or ate, the revisionist Abe is being hypocritical. The following Hadith, stolen from the Talmud, scrambles to make sense of this: Tabari II:55 "The people prepared food and placed it before the gods, saying,'When we come back the gods will have blessed our food and we will eat.' When Abraham saw them with the food, he said,'Will you not eat?' And when they did not answer, he said,'What ails you that you don't speak?' Then he attacked them. He took a piece of iron and cut off each idol's extremities. Then when only the largest idol was left, he tied the axe to its hand. When the people came to get their food and saw their gods in this state, they said,'An evildoer has done this to our gods.'"

That was from Muhammad’s Sunnah by way of the Jewish Talmud. This is from Allah’s Qur'an: Qur'an 37:93 "He turned upon them secretly, attacking, striking (them) with the right hand. Then came (people) with hurried steps, and faced (him). He said:'What! do you worship what you hew out? But Allah has created you and your handwork!'"

Let's turn to the salient portion of the 21st surah, named "The Prophets," to make certain we are looking at Islam’s poison pill from all possible sides. Qur'an 21:51 "We bestowed on Abraham correctness of conduct, and well were We acquainted with him. Behold, he said to his father and his folk,'What are these images, to which you are devoted?' They said,'We found our fathers worshipping them.' He said,'Indeed you have been in manifest error - you and your fathers.' They said,'Have you brought us the truth, or are you some jester?'" This Qur'anic indulgence also emerges out of the blue without reference to the audience, place, time, or religion. Devoid of this context the passage is senseless today. Yet in Mecca, the meaning would have been crystal clear. Muhammad was being recast as Abraham.

To be continued

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#37253 Feb 22, 2013
Australia’s new authoritarians

Andrew Bolt Blog

Andrew Bolt
February 21 2013 (9:25am)


Former ABC chairman Maurice Newman on the Gillard Government assault on your right to speak freely:

The government’s determination to control our lives did not stop at a media inquiry. The draft Human Rights and Anti-discrimination Bill 2012 seeks to further restrict our freedoms. While softened somewhat following strong criticisms, including from eminent retired judges, the reverse onus of proof remains, along with an expansion of victimhood.

The government says it never intended to restrict free speech, but the fact is, while it preaches liberty, it is about coercion. The bill is an ambit claim. We may ask, to whom is the government appealing? Since when has limiting our basic freedoms been advocated in an election campaign?

There is no popular groundswell. The government is responding to the collectivist instincts of those intellectuals who hold liberty in low regard. It isn’t so long ago that an academic floated the idea that we “suspend democracy” to silence climate change sceptics. Authoritarian government appeals to these people.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt...

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#37254 Feb 22, 2013
sid wrote:
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Ah MUQ, still defending the indefensible, you have the stamina of an Arabian long distance racing camel, and the brains of one.
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I like that saying, am I allowed to use it in an other thread?
Refinement

Australia

#37255 Feb 22, 2013
Baron44 wrote:
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I like that saying, am I allowed to use it in an other thread?
The stamina and brains of an Arab racing camel.
Or how about :
'The bondage of an Indian jockey tied onto an racing Arab camel'
Seems to me the islam camel decides what MUQ the jockey thinks and does...
MUQ Taqiyya LOTK

Australia

#37258 Feb 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
I did not answer any question in the way you are referring to.
In the Knowledge of God, there is nothing like past, present and future. Everything is "present" for Him so to say.
Quran is Word of God, so as eternal as Himself. But it came down to earth when Allah's last and final prophet got the mission.
In Quran, Kaaba is not mentioned as "eternal" . As per Quran Allah asked Abraham and Ishmael
to construct a house where Allah' name and praises shall be sing. That house is Kaaba we see.
There are some prophetic sayings that there is "another Kaaba" on seventh heaven which is
filled with angels singing praises of Allah. But that has nothing to do with this earth.
I think I answered both your "main question and any supplementary".
Would you get on and pose new question?
One Question at a time, please.
MUQ let's try this question instead (phew).
You said you dont worship the black stone (ahem), but worship the 'lord of the kaaba'.
The 'lord of the Kaaba' was Hubal, an idol imported from Syria in 180ad.
Hubal was used to address Allah by idolators.
Allah would respond (via the Hubal idol) with a series of arrows or pointers that provided divinity for tribute.
Hubal was the dominant idol in the Kaaba.
Hubal was originally in the open area (180-220ad), then on a platform, then on a roof of an open shell, and then inside the finally enclosed Kaaba (450ad).
Re Abraham, Ishmael, Hagar etc.
Prior to 150ad there was no Mecca or Kaaba in any form, again historical & archeolgical fact.
The water source/spring at Mecca only came into existence around 140ad due to a geolgical change also well recorded, leading to it's first establishment as a stopover on the trading route between Medina & Yemen.
Now come forward in time.
Muhhamad is sent by the Jews of medina as a missionary along the lines of Tuba'h and proto Judaism to sort out the non monotheistic pagan quareesh of Mecca who by now have established a relgious Disneyland of 360 or so idols to cater for all trade passing thru.
Muhhamad rid the Kaaba of all idols and objects
including Hubal.
He cemented the black stone (now small fragments of dubious authenticity) into the east
corner because that was 'bits of Allah' but not an idol like Hubal thru which Allah was addressed or then sent instructions.
Muhaamad also removed the composite Abraham/Hubal (ishmaelite/pagan) image.
Muhhamad essentially sets himself up as Hubal's replacement as allahs messenger of divinity.
But muhhammad was quite clear that he was not to be worshipped as a god spirit or a lord of a place or objects. He was but a messenger..
Q. Who and what do you think you are worshipping as the 'lord of the Kaaba'?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#37259 Feb 22, 2013
Mix wrote:
<quoted text>

But you say they lost so had no colonies.
Who did I say lost ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#37260 Feb 23, 2013
MalbarCACA Controllers wrote:
<quoted text>
Which thread, Barboon?
Ah, our in house baboon jockey
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37261 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ Taqiyya LOTK wrote:
<quoted text>
MUQ let's try this question instead (phew).
You said you dont worship the black stone (ahem), but worship the 'lord of the kaaba'.
The 'lord of the Kaaba' was Hubal, an idol imported from Syria in 180ad.
Hubal was used to address Allah by idolators.
Allah would respond (via the Hubal idol) with a series of arrows or pointers that provided divinity for tribute.
Hubal was the dominant idol in the Kaaba.
Hubal was originally in the open area (180-220ad), then on a platform, then on a roof of an open shell, and then inside the finally enclosed Kaaba (450ad).
Re Abraham, Ishmael, Hagar etc.
Prior to 150ad there was no Mecca or Kaaba in any form, again historical & archeolgical fact.
The water source/spring at Mecca only came into existence around 140ad due to a geolgical change also well recorded, leading to it's first establishment as a stopover on the trading route between Medina & Yemen.
Now come forward in time.
Muhhamad is sent by the Jews of medina as a missionary along the lines of Tuba'h and proto Judaism to sort out the non monotheistic pagan quareesh of Mecca who by now have established a relgious Disneyland of 360 or so idols to cater for all trade passing thru.
Muhhamad rid the Kaaba of all idols and objects
including Hubal.
He cemented the black stone (now small fragments of dubious authenticity) into the east
corner because that was 'bits of Allah' but not an idol like Hubal thru which Allah was addressed or then sent instructions.
Muhaamad also removed the composite Abraham/Hubal (ishmaelite/pagan) image.
Muhhamad essentially sets himself up as Hubal's replacement as allahs messenger of divinity.
But muhhammad was quite clear that he was not to be worshipped as a god spirit or a lord of a place or objects. He was but a messenger..
Q. Who and what do you think you are worshipping as the 'lord of the Kaaba'?
Again so many questions and assumptions in one post.

When will you learn?

One question at one time please.

Why you people lack patience?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37262 Feb 23, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah MUQ, still defending the indefensible, you have the stamina of an arabian long distance racing camel, and the brains of one.
Seeing that I am an Indian, what I should take it? As a censure or a compliment?

Do you know in Quran Allah asks "Have they not seen at Camel, how is it created?!!

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