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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37248 Feb 22, 2013
U.S. leaders and media had no critical words about the slaughter of leftist revolutionaries in Iran. If anything, they were quietly pleased. However, they remained hostile toward the Islamic regime. Why so? Regimes that kill revolutionaries and egalitarian reformists do not usually incite displeasure from the White House. If anything, the CIA and the Pentagon and the other imperial operatives who make the world safe for the Fortune 500 look most approvingly upon those who torture and murder Marxists and other leftists. Indeed, such counterrevolutionaries swiftly become the recipients of generous amounts of U.S. aid.

Why then did U.S. leaders denounce and threaten Iran and continue to do so to this day? The answer is: Iran’s Islamic Republic has other features that did not sit well with the western imperialists. Iran was-—and still is---a "dangerously" independent nation, unwilling to become a satellite to the U.S. global empire, unlike more compliant countries. Like Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Iran, with boundless audacity, gave every impression of wanting to use its land, labor, markets, and capital as it saw fit. Like Iraq---and Libya and Syria---Iran was committing the sin of economic nationalism. And like Iraq, Iran remained unwilling to establish cozy relations with Israel.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#37249 Feb 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
I did not answer any question in the way you are referring to.
In the Knowledge of God, there is nothing like past, present and future. Everything is "present" for Him so to say.
Quran is Word of God, so as eternal as Himself. But it came down to earth when Allah's last and final prophet got the mission.
In Quran, Kaaba is not mentioned as "eternal" . As per Quran Allah asked Abraham and Ishmael to construct a house where Allah' name and praises shall be sing. That house is Kaaba we see.
There are some prophetic sayings that there is "another Kaaba" on seventh heaven which is filled with angels singing praises of Allah. But that has nothing to do with this earth.
I think I answered both your "main question and any supplementary".
Would you get on and pose new question?
One Question at a time, please.
Ah MUQ, still defending the indefensible, you have the stamina of an arabian long distance racing camel, and the brains of one.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#37250 Feb 22, 2013
BashBoris wrote:
This is as unimaginative a forum as barren Australia is? morally, culturally, literary and civilization-ally. Very quickly one realizes its full of Indian slum-dogs who have infiltrated every miserable land, and a few white thieves, no wonder nothing intelligent ever gets discussed here.
Then buzz off because you are lowering the tone

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#37251 Feb 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
I did not answer any question in the way you are referring to.
In the Knowledge of God, there is nothing like past, present and future. Everything is "present" for Him so to say.
Quran is Word of God, so as eternal as Himself. But it came down to earth when Allah's last and final prophet got the mission.
In Quran, Kaaba is not mentioned as "eternal" . As per Quran Allah asked Abraham and Ishmael to construct a house where Allah' name and praises shall be sing. That house is Kaaba we see.
There are some prophetic sayings that there is "another Kaaba" on seventh heaven which is filled with angels singing praises of Allah. But that has nothing to do with this earth.
I think I answered both your "main question and any supplementary".
Would you get on and pose new question?
One Question at a time, please.
Yeah sure that's why the koran had to keep being abrogated. LOL Your false God didn't have the insight to get it right from the start!!!

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#37252 Feb 22, 2013
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_04_D...

Qur'an 37:90 "They turned their backs and went away. He turned to their gods secretly and said,'Will you not eat?''What is the matter with you that you don't speak?'" Deprived of place, time, and circumstance, this doesn't make sense. Where was he? Why did he go to these gods? What are their names? And since Allah never spoke or ate, the revisionist Abe is being hypocritical. The following Hadith, stolen from the Talmud, scrambles to make sense of this: Tabari II:55 "The people prepared food and placed it before the gods, saying,'When we come back the gods will have blessed our food and we will eat.' When Abraham saw them with the food, he said,'Will you not eat?' And when they did not answer, he said,'What ails you that you don't speak?' Then he attacked them. He took a piece of iron and cut off each idol's extremities. Then when only the largest idol was left, he tied the axe to its hand. When the people came to get their food and saw their gods in this state, they said,'An evildoer has done this to our gods.'"

That was from Muhammad’s Sunnah by way of the Jewish Talmud. This is from Allah’s Qur'an: Qur'an 37:93 "He turned upon them secretly, attacking, striking (them) with the right hand. Then came (people) with hurried steps, and faced (him). He said:'What! do you worship what you hew out? But Allah has created you and your handwork!'"

Let's turn to the salient portion of the 21st surah, named "The Prophets," to make certain we are looking at Islam’s poison pill from all possible sides. Qur'an 21:51 "We bestowed on Abraham correctness of conduct, and well were We acquainted with him. Behold, he said to his father and his folk,'What are these images, to which you are devoted?' They said,'We found our fathers worshipping them.' He said,'Indeed you have been in manifest error - you and your fathers.' They said,'Have you brought us the truth, or are you some jester?'" This Qur'anic indulgence also emerges out of the blue without reference to the audience, place, time, or religion. Devoid of this context the passage is senseless today. Yet in Mecca, the meaning would have been crystal clear. Muhammad was being recast as Abraham.

To be continued

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#37253 Feb 22, 2013
Australia’s new authoritarians

Andrew Bolt Blog

Andrew Bolt
February 21 2013 (9:25am)


Former ABC chairman Maurice Newman on the Gillard Government assault on your right to speak freely:

The government’s determination to control our lives did not stop at a media inquiry. The draft Human Rights and Anti-discrimination Bill 2012 seeks to further restrict our freedoms. While softened somewhat following strong criticisms, including from eminent retired judges, the reverse onus of proof remains, along with an expansion of victimhood.

The government says it never intended to restrict free speech, but the fact is, while it preaches liberty, it is about coercion. The bill is an ambit claim. We may ask, to whom is the government appealing? Since when has limiting our basic freedoms been advocated in an election campaign?

There is no popular groundswell. The government is responding to the collectivist instincts of those intellectuals who hold liberty in low regard. It isn’t so long ago that an academic floated the idea that we “suspend democracy” to silence climate change sceptics. Authoritarian government appeals to these people.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt...

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#37254 Feb 22, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah MUQ, still defending the indefensible, you have the stamina of an Arabian long distance racing camel, and the brains of one.
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I like that saying, am I allowed to use it in an other thread?
Refinement

Australia

#37255 Feb 22, 2013
Baron44 wrote:
<quoted text>
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I like that saying, am I allowed to use it in an other thread?
The stamina and brains of an Arab racing camel.
Or how about :
'The bondage of an Indian jockey tied onto an racing Arab camel'
Seems to me the islam camel decides what MUQ the jockey thinks and does...
MUQ Taqiyya LOTK

Australia

#37258 Feb 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
I did not answer any question in the way you are referring to.
In the Knowledge of God, there is nothing like past, present and future. Everything is "present" for Him so to say.
Quran is Word of God, so as eternal as Himself. But it came down to earth when Allah's last and final prophet got the mission.
In Quran, Kaaba is not mentioned as "eternal" . As per Quran Allah asked Abraham and Ishmael
to construct a house where Allah' name and praises shall be sing. That house is Kaaba we see.
There are some prophetic sayings that there is "another Kaaba" on seventh heaven which is
filled with angels singing praises of Allah. But that has nothing to do with this earth.
I think I answered both your "main question and any supplementary".
Would you get on and pose new question?
One Question at a time, please.
MUQ let's try this question instead (phew).
You said you dont worship the black stone (ahem), but worship the 'lord of the kaaba'.
The 'lord of the Kaaba' was Hubal, an idol imported from Syria in 180ad.
Hubal was used to address Allah by idolators.
Allah would respond (via the Hubal idol) with a series of arrows or pointers that provided divinity for tribute.
Hubal was the dominant idol in the Kaaba.
Hubal was originally in the open area (180-220ad), then on a platform, then on a roof of an open shell, and then inside the finally enclosed Kaaba (450ad).
Re Abraham, Ishmael, Hagar etc.
Prior to 150ad there was no Mecca or Kaaba in any form, again historical & archeolgical fact.
The water source/spring at Mecca only came into existence around 140ad due to a geolgical change also well recorded, leading to it's first establishment as a stopover on the trading route between Medina & Yemen.
Now come forward in time.
Muhhamad is sent by the Jews of medina as a missionary along the lines of Tuba'h and proto Judaism to sort out the non monotheistic pagan quareesh of Mecca who by now have established a relgious Disneyland of 360 or so idols to cater for all trade passing thru.
Muhhamad rid the Kaaba of all idols and objects
including Hubal.
He cemented the black stone (now small fragments of dubious authenticity) into the east
corner because that was 'bits of Allah' but not an idol like Hubal thru which Allah was addressed or then sent instructions.
Muhaamad also removed the composite Abraham/Hubal (ishmaelite/pagan) image.
Muhhamad essentially sets himself up as Hubal's replacement as allahs messenger of divinity.
But muhhammad was quite clear that he was not to be worshipped as a god spirit or a lord of a place or objects. He was but a messenger..
Q. Who and what do you think you are worshipping as the 'lord of the Kaaba'?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#37259 Feb 22, 2013
Mix wrote:
<quoted text>

But you say they lost so had no colonies.
Who did I say lost ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#37260 Feb 23, 2013
MalbarCACA Controllers wrote:
<quoted text>
Which thread, Barboon?
Ah, our in house baboon jockey
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37261 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ Taqiyya LOTK wrote:
<quoted text>
MUQ let's try this question instead (phew).
You said you dont worship the black stone (ahem), but worship the 'lord of the kaaba'.
The 'lord of the Kaaba' was Hubal, an idol imported from Syria in 180ad.
Hubal was used to address Allah by idolators.
Allah would respond (via the Hubal idol) with a series of arrows or pointers that provided divinity for tribute.
Hubal was the dominant idol in the Kaaba.
Hubal was originally in the open area (180-220ad), then on a platform, then on a roof of an open shell, and then inside the finally enclosed Kaaba (450ad).
Re Abraham, Ishmael, Hagar etc.
Prior to 150ad there was no Mecca or Kaaba in any form, again historical & archeolgical fact.
The water source/spring at Mecca only came into existence around 140ad due to a geolgical change also well recorded, leading to it's first establishment as a stopover on the trading route between Medina & Yemen.
Now come forward in time.
Muhhamad is sent by the Jews of medina as a missionary along the lines of Tuba'h and proto Judaism to sort out the non monotheistic pagan quareesh of Mecca who by now have established a relgious Disneyland of 360 or so idols to cater for all trade passing thru.
Muhhamad rid the Kaaba of all idols and objects
including Hubal.
He cemented the black stone (now small fragments of dubious authenticity) into the east
corner because that was 'bits of Allah' but not an idol like Hubal thru which Allah was addressed or then sent instructions.
Muhaamad also removed the composite Abraham/Hubal (ishmaelite/pagan) image.
Muhhamad essentially sets himself up as Hubal's replacement as allahs messenger of divinity.
But muhhammad was quite clear that he was not to be worshipped as a god spirit or a lord of a place or objects. He was but a messenger..
Q. Who and what do you think you are worshipping as the 'lord of the Kaaba'?
Again so many questions and assumptions in one post.

When will you learn?

One question at one time please.

Why you people lack patience?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37262 Feb 23, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah MUQ, still defending the indefensible, you have the stamina of an arabian long distance racing camel, and the brains of one.
Seeing that I am an Indian, what I should take it? As a censure or a compliment?

Do you know in Quran Allah asks "Have they not seen at Camel, how is it created?!!

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#37263 Feb 23, 2013
MalbarCACA Controllers wrote:
<quoted text>
Which thread, Barboon?
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Cherish those testicles of yours, very soon Geert Wilders be in the UK making demands of all Muslim Testicles.
MUQ Taqiyya no good

Australia

#37264 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Again so many questions and assumptions in one post.
When will you learn?
One question at one time please.
Why you people lack patience?
"You people" Is that how you think about nobelievers thirsty for knowledge of islam and the degree of cognitive dissonance we would need..
MUQ there has only been the singular question.
The rest is context so you can't continue to lie about it or hide in mysticism and Islamic babble.

The question is again :

'MUQ, who or what do you worship as the Lord of the Kaaba ?'

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#37265 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Again so many questions and assumptions in one post.
When will you learn?
One question at one time please.
Why you people lack patience?
Poor excuse for an answer

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

Australia

#37266 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
U.S. leaders and media had no critical words about the slaughter of leftist revolutionaries in Iran. If anything, they were quietly pleased. However, they remained hostile toward the Islamic regime. Why so? Regimes that kill revolutionaries and egalitarian reformists do not usually incite displeasure from the White House. If anything, the CIA and the Pentagon and the other imperial operatives who make the world safe for the Fortune 500 look most approvingly upon those who torture and murder Marxists and other leftists. Indeed, such counterrevolutionaries swiftly become the recipients of generous amounts of U.S. aid.
Why then did U.S. leaders denounce and threaten Iran and continue to do so to this day? The answer is: Iran’s Islamic Republic has other features that did not sit well with the western imperialists. Iran was-—and still is---a "dangerously" independent nation, unwilling to become a satellite to the U.S. global empire, unlike more compliant countries. Like Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Iran, with boundless audacity, gave every impression of wanting to use its land, labor, markets, and capital as it saw fit. Like Iraq---and Libya and Syria---Iran was committing the sin of economic nationalism. And like Iraq, Iran remained unwilling to establish cozy relations with Israel.
Why then does your host country want Iran annihilated ?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37267 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ Taqiyya no good wrote:
<quoted text>
"You people" Is that how you think about nobelievers thirsty for knowledge of islam and the degree of cognitive dissonance we would need..
MUQ there has only been the singular question.
The rest is context so you can't continue to lie about it or hide in mysticism and Islamic babble.
The question is again :
'MUQ, who or what do you worship as the Lord of the Kaaba ?'
The Lord of Kaaba is to worshipped in Spirit and without any Form or Shape.

And that was the practice of All Prophets of God, thru out the ages. As mentioned in the First and Second of then famous Ten Commandments.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37268 Feb 23, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor excuse for an answer
And who made you a "judge" to decide between ourselves?

Self appointed like your own St. Paul? Who became Apostle of jesus based on "His own testimony"!!
Colonisation payback etc

Australia

#37269 Feb 23, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Who did I say lost ?
You didn't.
Your point i believe originally was that imperialist nations that ' once colonized' other countries now pay the price and burden of those immigrants be it islamic or other now flooding their countries.

My point is that even nations that did not
colonize, or lost their colonies after wars (eg Germany, Italy, Austria, or say Denmark,
Sweden are just as flooded with third world benefit seekers as we are.
Australia only ever colonized perhaps new guinea? and we arent flooded with Papuans..
Whilst countries like Japan, Taiwan, China, Argentina which did or did not have ex colonies don't have a refugee problem.

So the facf that the Indonesians and Malays can actively dump tens of thousands of benefit seekers into Australia as a conduit and that nearly half a million low class unskilled indians, arabs and others that lower our standard of living, steal jobs, don't assimilate etc -
is more to do with our lack of border controls and weak goverment, than any prior colonist history.
In fact it almost impossible for a west Papuan (or an east Timorese) fleeing Islamic genocide and racial persecution in west papa or Timor to even get into Australia.
Whereas an Arab Islamic or Indian Hindu simply seeking to be part of an advanced western society is basically subsided in, fed, housed,
given benefits, housing and jobs that belong to our youth or own unskilled, and then they bring all their Sharia or Hindu crap with them as well.
We never colonized the M.E. or India.
In fact we help liberate them from the Mughals and the Turks respectively so they could have their own countries.
We don't have any social or 'post colonization' obligations to what is coming in.

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