Why should Australians fear from Musl...

Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

There are 46820 comments on the Scoop story from Dec 23, 2007, titled Why should Australians fear from Muslims?. In it, Scoop reports that:

About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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Refinement

Australia

#37255 Feb 22, 2013
Baron44 wrote:
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I like that saying, am I allowed to use it in an other thread?
The stamina and brains of an Arab racing camel.
Or how about :
'The bondage of an Indian jockey tied onto an racing Arab camel'
Seems to me the islam camel decides what MUQ the jockey thinks and does...
MUQ Taqiyya LOTK

Australia

#37258 Feb 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
I did not answer any question in the way you are referring to.
In the Knowledge of God, there is nothing like past, present and future. Everything is "present" for Him so to say.
Quran is Word of God, so as eternal as Himself. But it came down to earth when Allah's last and final prophet got the mission.
In Quran, Kaaba is not mentioned as "eternal" . As per Quran Allah asked Abraham and Ishmael
to construct a house where Allah' name and praises shall be sing. That house is Kaaba we see.
There are some prophetic sayings that there is "another Kaaba" on seventh heaven which is
filled with angels singing praises of Allah. But that has nothing to do with this earth.
I think I answered both your "main question and any supplementary".
Would you get on and pose new question?
One Question at a time, please.
MUQ let's try this question instead (phew).
You said you dont worship the black stone (ahem), but worship the 'lord of the kaaba'.
The 'lord of the Kaaba' was Hubal, an idol imported from Syria in 180ad.
Hubal was used to address Allah by idolators.
Allah would respond (via the Hubal idol) with a series of arrows or pointers that provided divinity for tribute.
Hubal was the dominant idol in the Kaaba.
Hubal was originally in the open area (180-220ad), then on a platform, then on a roof of an open shell, and then inside the finally enclosed Kaaba (450ad).
Re Abraham, Ishmael, Hagar etc.
Prior to 150ad there was no Mecca or Kaaba in any form, again historical & archeolgical fact.
The water source/spring at Mecca only came into existence around 140ad due to a geolgical change also well recorded, leading to it's first establishment as a stopover on the trading route between Medina & Yemen.
Now come forward in time.
Muhhamad is sent by the Jews of medina as a missionary along the lines of Tuba'h and proto Judaism to sort out the non monotheistic pagan quareesh of Mecca who by now have established a relgious Disneyland of 360 or so idols to cater for all trade passing thru.
Muhhamad rid the Kaaba of all idols and objects
including Hubal.
He cemented the black stone (now small fragments of dubious authenticity) into the east
corner because that was 'bits of Allah' but not an idol like Hubal thru which Allah was addressed or then sent instructions.
Muhaamad also removed the composite Abraham/Hubal (ishmaelite/pagan) image.
Muhhamad essentially sets himself up as Hubal's replacement as allahs messenger of divinity.
But muhhammad was quite clear that he was not to be worshipped as a god spirit or a lord of a place or objects. He was but a messenger..
Q. Who and what do you think you are worshipping as the 'lord of the Kaaba'?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37259 Feb 22, 2013
Mix wrote:
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But you say they lost so had no colonies.
Who did I say lost ?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37260 Feb 23, 2013
MalbarCACA Controllers wrote:
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Which thread, Barboon?
Ah, our in house baboon jockey
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37261 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ Taqiyya LOTK wrote:
<quoted text>
MUQ let's try this question instead (phew).
You said you dont worship the black stone (ahem), but worship the 'lord of the kaaba'.
The 'lord of the Kaaba' was Hubal, an idol imported from Syria in 180ad.
Hubal was used to address Allah by idolators.
Allah would respond (via the Hubal idol) with a series of arrows or pointers that provided divinity for tribute.
Hubal was the dominant idol in the Kaaba.
Hubal was originally in the open area (180-220ad), then on a platform, then on a roof of an open shell, and then inside the finally enclosed Kaaba (450ad).
Re Abraham, Ishmael, Hagar etc.
Prior to 150ad there was no Mecca or Kaaba in any form, again historical & archeolgical fact.
The water source/spring at Mecca only came into existence around 140ad due to a geolgical change also well recorded, leading to it's first establishment as a stopover on the trading route between Medina & Yemen.
Now come forward in time.
Muhhamad is sent by the Jews of medina as a missionary along the lines of Tuba'h and proto Judaism to sort out the non monotheistic pagan quareesh of Mecca who by now have established a relgious Disneyland of 360 or so idols to cater for all trade passing thru.
Muhhamad rid the Kaaba of all idols and objects
including Hubal.
He cemented the black stone (now small fragments of dubious authenticity) into the east
corner because that was 'bits of Allah' but not an idol like Hubal thru which Allah was addressed or then sent instructions.
Muhaamad also removed the composite Abraham/Hubal (ishmaelite/pagan) image.
Muhhamad essentially sets himself up as Hubal's replacement as allahs messenger of divinity.
But muhhammad was quite clear that he was not to be worshipped as a god spirit or a lord of a place or objects. He was but a messenger..
Q. Who and what do you think you are worshipping as the 'lord of the Kaaba'?
Again so many questions and assumptions in one post.

When will you learn?

One question at one time please.

Why you people lack patience?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37262 Feb 23, 2013
sid wrote:
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Ah MUQ, still defending the indefensible, you have the stamina of an arabian long distance racing camel, and the brains of one.
Seeing that I am an Indian, what I should take it? As a censure or a compliment?

Do you know in Quran Allah asks "Have they not seen at Camel, how is it created?!!

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#37263 Feb 23, 2013
MalbarCACA Controllers wrote:
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Which thread, Barboon?
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Cherish those testicles of yours, very soon Geert Wilders be in the UK making demands of all Muslim Testicles.
MUQ Taqiyya no good

Australia

#37264 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Again so many questions and assumptions in one post.
When will you learn?
One question at one time please.
Why you people lack patience?
"You people" Is that how you think about nobelievers thirsty for knowledge of islam and the degree of cognitive dissonance we would need..
MUQ there has only been the singular question.
The rest is context so you can't continue to lie about it or hide in mysticism and Islamic babble.

The question is again :

'MUQ, who or what do you worship as the Lord of the Kaaba ?'

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37265 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Again so many questions and assumptions in one post.
When will you learn?
One question at one time please.
Why you people lack patience?
Poor excuse for an answer

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37266 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
U.S. leaders and media had no critical words about the slaughter of leftist revolutionaries in Iran. If anything, they were quietly pleased. However, they remained hostile toward the Islamic regime. Why so? Regimes that kill revolutionaries and egalitarian reformists do not usually incite displeasure from the White House. If anything, the CIA and the Pentagon and the other imperial operatives who make the world safe for the Fortune 500 look most approvingly upon those who torture and murder Marxists and other leftists. Indeed, such counterrevolutionaries swiftly become the recipients of generous amounts of U.S. aid.
Why then did U.S. leaders denounce and threaten Iran and continue to do so to this day? The answer is: Iran’s Islamic Republic has other features that did not sit well with the western imperialists. Iran was-—and still is---a "dangerously" independent nation, unwilling to become a satellite to the U.S. global empire, unlike more compliant countries. Like Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Iran, with boundless audacity, gave every impression of wanting to use its land, labor, markets, and capital as it saw fit. Like Iraq---and Libya and Syria---Iran was committing the sin of economic nationalism. And like Iraq, Iran remained unwilling to establish cozy relations with Israel.
Why then does your host country want Iran annihilated ?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37267 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ Taqiyya no good wrote:
<quoted text>
"You people" Is that how you think about nobelievers thirsty for knowledge of islam and the degree of cognitive dissonance we would need..
MUQ there has only been the singular question.
The rest is context so you can't continue to lie about it or hide in mysticism and Islamic babble.
The question is again :
'MUQ, who or what do you worship as the Lord of the Kaaba ?'
The Lord of Kaaba is to worshipped in Spirit and without any Form or Shape.

And that was the practice of All Prophets of God, thru out the ages. As mentioned in the First and Second of then famous Ten Commandments.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#37268 Feb 23, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Poor excuse for an answer
And who made you a "judge" to decide between ourselves?

Self appointed like your own St. Paul? Who became Apostle of jesus based on "His own testimony"!!
Colonisation payback etc

Australia

#37269 Feb 23, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>
Who did I say lost ?
You didn't.
Your point i believe originally was that imperialist nations that ' once colonized' other countries now pay the price and burden of those immigrants be it islamic or other now flooding their countries.

My point is that even nations that did not
colonize, or lost their colonies after wars (eg Germany, Italy, Austria, or say Denmark,
Sweden are just as flooded with third world benefit seekers as we are.
Australia only ever colonized perhaps new guinea? and we arent flooded with Papuans..
Whilst countries like Japan, Taiwan, China, Argentina which did or did not have ex colonies don't have a refugee problem.

So the facf that the Indonesians and Malays can actively dump tens of thousands of benefit seekers into Australia as a conduit and that nearly half a million low class unskilled indians, arabs and others that lower our standard of living, steal jobs, don't assimilate etc -
is more to do with our lack of border controls and weak goverment, than any prior colonist history.
In fact it almost impossible for a west Papuan (or an east Timorese) fleeing Islamic genocide and racial persecution in west papa or Timor to even get into Australia.
Whereas an Arab Islamic or Indian Hindu simply seeking to be part of an advanced western society is basically subsided in, fed, housed,
given benefits, housing and jobs that belong to our youth or own unskilled, and then they bring all their Sharia or Hindu crap with them as well.
We never colonized the M.E. or India.
In fact we help liberate them from the Mughals and the Turks respectively so they could have their own countries.
We don't have any social or 'post colonization' obligations to what is coming in.
MUQ Taqiyya re LOTK

Australia

#37270 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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The Lord of Kaaba is to worshipped in Spirit and without any Form or Shape.
And that was the practice of All Prophets of God, thru out the ages. As mentioned in the First and Second of then famous Ten Commandments.
We can agree (because there is substantial evidence within & ourside of islam that concurs..)
that the 'lord of the Kaaba' was originally Hubal the Syrian idol imported to Mecca not long after it's first establishment in 180ad - to which prayers or divinity requests were addressed to Allah via this Idol who then provided by a series of arrows an answer from Allah.
This idol was the 'lord of the Kaaba' you refer to and did not exist (nor did the Kaaba at Mecca) in the old testament. This 'lord of the Kaaba' being the supreme idol at Mecca was removed and replaced muhhammad being allah's (only) messenger according to what you believe.
There is only one 'lord of the Kaaba' in Islam and this is the old Hubal idol of the quareesh.
So what you say jars against every other rule in Islam of no idol worship and only one lord or god.
Q. MUQ - Do you mean that you worship the spirit of the destroyed Hubal idol god, as some abstracted spirit that communicates to and from Allah (that is not Muhammad)?

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37271 Feb 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
And who made you a "judge" to decide between ourselves?
Self appointed like your own St. Paul? Who became Apostle of Jesus based on "His own testimony"!!
You are so full of yourself that you accuse me of following your perceived imagination of what I believe in.
God is your judge but even that is not enough for you to understand for you need religion to hide behind your failures in understanding yourself.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#37272 Feb 23, 2013
Colonisation payback etc wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't.
Your point i believe originally was that imperialist nations that ' once colonized' other countries now pay the price and burden of those immigrants be it Islamic or other now flooding their countries.
My point is that even nations that did not
colonize, or lost their colonies after wars (eg Germany, Italy, Austria, or say Denmark,
Sweden are just as flooded with third world benefit seekers as we are.
Australia only ever colonized perhaps new guinea? and we are not flooded with Papuans..
Whilst countries like Japan, Taiwan, China, Argentina which did or did not have ex colonies don't have a refugee problem.
So the facf that the Indonesians and Malays can actively dump tens of thousands of benefit seekers into Australia as a conduit and that nearly half a million low class unskilled indians, arabs and others that lower our standard of living, steal jobs, don't assimilate etc -
is more to do with our lack of border controls and weak government, than any prior colonist history.
In fact it almost impossible for a west Papuan (or an east Timorese) fleeing Islamic genocide and racial persecution in west papa or Timor to even get into Australia.
Whereas an Arab Islamic or Indian Hindu simply seeking to be part of an advanced western society is basically subsided in, fed, housed,
given benefits, housing and jobs that belong to our youth or own unskilled, and then they bring all their Sharia or Hindu crap with them as well.
We never colonized the M.E. or India.
In fact we help liberate them from the Mughals and the Turks respectively so they could have their own countries.
We don't have any social or 'post colonization' obligations to what is coming in.
Go to NQ and see how many Papuans own real estate.
Butterworth Malaysia was an Australian air force base,Kangaroo Valley Penang is where they lived .
Your assumption of my prognosis was correct
BashBoris

Australia

#37273 Feb 23, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
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Then buzz off because you are lowering the tone
you sound like an illegitimate offspring of these gay criminals, can you recognize which one?

Yesterday we learned the real reason for the Pope’s resignation: The Church has been penetrated, at its highest levels, by a homosexual embezzlement ring. According to Dr. Robert Moynihan of Inside the Vatican magazine, a secret report on the homosexual crime ring, and associated blackmail problems, was given to the Pope on December 17. This report, Dr. Moynihan tells us,“overwhelmed his spirit within him” and “made his heart desolate.”(The original source of these revelations, which Dr. Moynihan seemingly confirms, was an article in La Republica.)

Why didn’t the Pope simply fire the malefactors? Apparently, like the criminal banks that are “too big to fail,” the larcenous pederasts in the Church are “too big to fire.” In other words, the Catholic Church has been taken over by an organized crime ring of embezzlers and sexual deviants.

The Catholic Church, the largest and most powerful religious organization on earth, has long seen itself as the moral guardian of the Western world. Despite a long history of scandals, the Church has always retained its status as the source of moral authority for the world’s Catholics, who currently number 1.2 billion.

But Pope Benedict’s resignation - a tacit admission that even the absolute ruler of the church is powerless in the face of the Vatican’s “untouchable” gay crime ring - raises the ancient but always-relevant question: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will guard the guardians?
BashBoris

Australia

#37274 Feb 23, 2013
The cancer of criminality and sexual deviance in the Catholic Church is symptomatic of the growing decadence that afflicts Western civilization, and pushes it toward its inevitable decline and fall. As the Chinese understand, the “mandate of heaven”- a sort of divine legitimacy bestowed on civilizations and their rulers - has been removed from the Catholic Church, the heart of that heartless world known as the West. By extension, the whole Western world has lost the mandate of heaven.

Dr. Michael Jones, a noted Catholic author who edits Culture Wars magazine, argues that sexuality has been weaponized by Zionists and freemasons and used to destroy the Christian West. The same forces, he adds, are also targeting the Muslim East. When the Israelis invade Palestine and broadcast pornography on Palestinian TV, when well-funded clandestine groups distribute pornographic DVDs in Muslim countries, and when the Rockefeller-Rothschild cabal funds such sexual liberationists as the pedophile rapist Dr. Alfred Kinsey, a “culture war” is being waged against the moral grounding that holds families and societies together, according to Dr. Jones.

The rise of sexual deviancy, and subsequent decline of Western civilization, is a problem that goes far beyond the boundaries of the Catholic Church. Just as there is an “untouchable” gay crime ring in the Vatican, a very similar criminal cabal is equally “untouchable” at the highest levels of power in the United States.

This criminal cabal was exposed in the Franklin Savings and Loan scandal, brilliantly described by journalist Nick Bryant in his book The Franklin Scandal: A Story of Powerbrokers, Child Abuse, and Betrayal. Bryant summarizes his book as “the story of a nationwide pedophile ring that pandered children to a cabal of the rich and powerful. The ring’s pimps were a pair of political powerbrokers who had access to the highest levels of our government. Nebraska legislators nearly exposed the ring in 1990, but its unveiling had the potential to produce seismic political aftershocks. The legislators’ efforts resulted in rash of mysterious deaths and the overpowering corruption of federal and local law enforcement, including the FBI, Secret Service, and Justice Department, effecting an immaculate cover-up of the trafficking network.”

Bryant’s book shows that all relevant US government agencies, as well as all significant major media outlets in the US, are controlled (or at least intimidated) by a crime network that kidnaps thousands of children and sells them as sex slaves to members of the American political and financial elite, and then uses the videos and photos for blackmail. Among the most notorious child-abusers are the two Presidents Bush.

Convincing testimony from abused children, cited by Nick Bryant, implicated President George H.W. Bush as one of the many elite Americans who enjoyed the services of child sex slaves. On June 29, 1989, the Washington Times reported this story under the screaming headline:“Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush:‘Call Boys’ took midnight tours of White House.”
BashBoris

Australia

#37275 Feb 23, 2013
Bush Jr. apparently inherited the same proclivities as his father. During the Bush II presidency, the notorious homosexual prostitute Jeff Gannon, disguised as a journalist, made several overnight stays in the White House.

The younger Bush’s sexual deviancy apparently isn’t limited to homosexuality and pedophilia. According to a report by former National Security Agency officer Wayne Madsen:“The orders to take the sexually-oriented photos and videos (at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere), some of which involve teenage Iraqi boys and girls and sodomization by their guards, came directly from a pedophile and closeted male homosexual ring operating in the White House, according to intelligence sources. Copies of the tapes and photos were sent directly to the White House for the entertainment of senior members of the Bush White House, including officials in the Vice President’s office and the Executive Office of the President… installation of live streaming black boxes in the White House and the Eisenhower Old Executive Office Building were used to stream live video of torture sessions in Guantanamo, Cuba and Abu Ghraib to the Old Executive Office Building office of Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief Counsel David Addington and into the White House, itself.”

Why is this gay crime ring untouchable? Apparently, it “owns” the US government by virtue of the blackmail photos and videos it holds on all major powerbrokers.(Anyone who doubts this should consult any decent biography of former FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover, who likewise “owned” the US government thanks to his collection of blackmail photos… and was himself “owned” by Mafia chief Meyer Lansky, who held a photo of Hoover in a compromising position.)

Both 2004 presidential candidates, George W. Bush and John Kerry, are members of Skull and Bones, a satanic secret society based on sexual deviance and organized crime. Bush and Kerry each, during their induction to Skull and Bones, laid naked in a coffin in front of the older Bonesmen, enjoying themselves while recounting their entire sexual histories.

The US military, too, hosts a similar crime ring. Kay Griggs, ex-wife of a Marine Colonel, has described the horrors she endured at the hands of a homosexual/rapist/pedophile ring that was just as “untouchable” as the Vatican sex mafia that brought down the Pope.

The US military’s domination by criminal sexual deviants is epitomized by the case of the notorious child molester Col. Michael Aquino. Col. Aquino, who managed to get himself expelled from the Church of Satan for being too evil, went on to beat a well-documented child abuse rap. He later became one of the US military’s most senior specialists on psychological warfare and mind control.

In another “gay mafia” scandal, David Ferrie, a CIA operative and former Catholic priest who was defrocked for pedophilia, and “gay CIA mafia” kingpin Clay Shaw, were prosecuted for the JFK assassination by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison. Naturally, homosexual groups protested when Oliver Stone’s film JFK depicted these events accurately.

Today’s leaders of the West, in short, are virtually indistinguishable from the gang-rapists who ran Sodom and Gomorrah.
BashBoris

Australia

#37276 Feb 23, 2013
And the “trickle-down” effect of elite deviance is destroying Western civilization. Today in the USA, roughly half of marriages end in divorce, and growing numbers of children - a majority in some communities - are being born out of wedlock. Drugs, crime, pornography addiction, and other vices are endemic.

The decadent West, not surprisingly, is losing its economic domination of the world. Jon Moynihan, Executive Chairman of PA Consulting Group, made a presentation at the London School of Economics earlier this year entitled “The Continued Economic Decline of the West.” Moynihan says it is “highly predictable” that Western incomes and living standards will be roughly halved during the next two decades. This unprecedented catastrophe, he writes, is virtually inevitable.

Will Pope Benedict’s resignation one day be viewed as the moment when the “mandate of heaven” passed from Christianity to Islam? Will Muslims be able to maintain their integrity and family values in the face of a morally-degraded and decadent neo-colonialism? Or will the Catholic Church recover from this potentially mortal blow, turn away from its entanglements with Zionism and freemasonry, and forge a new alliance - grounded in traditional morality - with the Muslim world?

cant hide the truth convicts, the good people of the world have caught on to your evil and mother Russia will fix things

by

Dr. Kevin Barrett, a Ph.D. Arabist-Islamologist, is one of America's best-known critics of the War on Terror. Dr. Barrett has appeared many times on Fox, CNN, PBS and other broadcast outlets, and has inspired feature stories and op-eds in the New York Times, the Christian Science Monitor, the Chicago Tribune, and other leading publications. Dr. Barrett has taught at colleges and universities in San Francisco, Paris, and Wisconsin, where he ran for Congress in 2008. He is the co-founder of the Muslim-Christian-Jewish Alliance, and author of the books Truth Jihad: My Epic Struggle Against the 9/11 Big Lie (2007) and Questioning the War on Terror: A Primer for Obama Voters (2009). His website is www.truthjihad.com . More articles by Dr. Kevin Barrett

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