Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area. Read more

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#36917 Feb 12, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
Critical analysis of Islam is finally finding out the truth about this false ideology
MÜNSTER, Germany -- Muhammad Sven Kalisch, a Muslim convert and Germany's first professor of Islamic theology, fasts during the Muslim holy month, doesn't like to shake hands with Muslim women and has spent years studying Islamic scripture. Islam, he says, guides his life.
So it came as something of a surprise when Prof. Kalisch announced the fruit of his theological research. His conclusion: The Prophet Muhammad probably never existed.
Theology Without Muhammad
Read a translated excerpt from "Islamic Theology Without the Historic Muhammad -- Comments on the Challenges of the Historical-Critical Method for Islamic Thinking" by Professor Kalisch.
Muslims, not surprisingly, are outraged. Even Danish cartoonists who triggered global protests a couple of years ago didn't portray the Prophet as fictional. German police, worried about a violent backlash, told the professor to move his religious-studies center to more-secure premises.
"We had no idea he would have ideas like this," says Thomas Bauer, a fellow academic at Münster University who sat on a committee that appointed Prof. Kalisch. "I'm a more orthodox Muslim than he is, and I'm not a Muslim."
When Prof. Kalisch took up his theology chair four years ago, he was seen as proof that modern Western scholarship and Islamic ways can mingle -- and counter the influence of radical preachers in Germany. He was put in charge of a new program at Münster, one of Germany's oldest and most respected universities, to train teachers in state schools to teach Muslim pupils about their faith.
Muslim leaders cheered and joined an advisory board at his Center for Religious Studies. Politicians hailed the appointment as a sign of Germany's readiness to absorb some three million Muslims into mainstream society. But, says Andreas Pinkwart, a minister responsible for higher education in this north German region, "the results are disappointing."
Prof. Kalisch, who insists he's still a Muslim, says he knew he would get in trouble but wanted to subject Islam to the same scrutiny as Christianity and Judaism. German scholars of the 19th century, he notes, were among the first to raise questions about the historical accuracy of the Bible.
Many scholars of Islam question the accuracy of ancient sources on Muhammad's life. The earliest biography, of which no copies survive, dated from roughly a century after the generally accepted year of his death, 632, and is known only by references to it in much later texts. But only a few scholars have doubted Muhammad's existence. Most say his life is better documented than that of Jesus.
[Sven Muhammad Kalish]
Muhammad Sven Kalish
"Of course Muhammad existed," says Tilman Nagel, a scholar in Göttingen and author of a new book, "Muhammad: Life and Legend." The Prophet differed from the flawless figure of Islamic tradition, Prof. Nagel says, but "it is quite astonishing to say that thousands and thousands of pages about him were all forged" and there was no such person.
All the same, Prof. Nagel has signed a petition in support of Prof. Kalisch, who has faced blistering criticism from Muslim groups and some secular German academics. "We are in Europe," Prof. Nagel says. "Education is about thinking, not just learning by heart."
Read more at:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1226699092796...
Prof Nagel would have to deny Prof Kalish seeing he has to sell his book.
quzluz

Pittsburgh, PA

#36918 Feb 12, 2013
youtube.com/watch... …… Get Over it,must be the dress code?
Success or Failure

Australia

#36919 Feb 12, 2013
Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#36920 Feb 12, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Who is forcibly converting Christians to become Muslim in USA, Britain, Italy, France, Germany,.....India to become Muslim?
The reality is that if you become Muslim in these country, your life becomes difficult.
Yet
and I repeat Yet
These is not a single day gone when scores of Non Muslims accept Islam in these countries.
The power of any religion is not how it spreads when in power, it is when it spreads while it is not in power and being looked down.
It is almost 12 years to the events of 9/11. How many Christian converts to Islam left Islam and went back to Christianity?
Islam and Muslims have only Gained New converts after 9/11 and lost very few!!
This is power of Islam!!
A bigot like you ill never see it, because you only see what is shown to you!!
You continue to speak lies to push your agenda, western converts to islam in western countries is tiny, it is proven in most government audits that there are more muslims leaving islam in western countries than new converts.

Your numbers increase in western countries simply because of islamic immagration into western countries and a high birth rate .

NOT, because people freely join your religion, of the few convets you do get to islam most are dregs of sociaty who only join to justify the permisable crimes and rebelion that islam allows of its followers.
Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#36921 Feb 12, 2013
islams success in Norway, did islam bring love and enlightenment to the people of Norway? or did it only bring higher crome rate ?

Video) NRK TV investigates violent behavior: Native Norweigan at 13 convicts per 1,000 while Muslim immigrant convicts at 40 per 1,000

February 11, 2013 · by admin · in Muslims WorldWide

Brainwashed: Violence.

Norwegian TV investigates whether violence is more prominent in some people than others. Psychologists, researchers and authors investigate whether violence and revenge is an inborn quality, or an ideal that we learn from childhood, religion, habit. About 90% of all acts of violence in Norway, the show concludes, are committed by men. And while native Norweigan’s have convictions at a rate of 13 of 1,000 violent crimes Muslim immigrants in Norway are convicted at 40 per 1,000 violent crimes – almost 400% higher than the natives.
Jake Bradock

Capalaba, Australia

#36922 Feb 12, 2013
More of MUQ`s islamic success in the prison systems of France.
Did islam enrich the French people ? or has it simply embraced the criminal element and prisions of France.

Why hasent the prison population increaced in Chrisitinaity ? the devils religion enjoying the devils in prision.

France: 54% of French people believe “too much liberty” has been given to Muslims in their country

February 11, 2013 · by admin · in Muslims WorldWide

Muslim problems in France never end. Monthly riots, weekly arsons, daily rapes and assaults. The ideology of Mohammed is seen on a daily basis. Women cannot walk in peace in French cities anymore from muslim stalking. The Muslim crime wave, like elsewhere, is massive in comparison to their total percentage. Deja vu. It’s the same wherever you go in Europe where Muslims have been allowed.

A recent poll showed that 32% of French people share the ideas of the “far-right” National Front party. 54% of French people felt the French government had been allowed to give too much freedom to Muslims to force Islam on their society. Although Muslim problems have been festering and growing in the country ever since Charles de Galles invited a free flow of Muslim immigrants into the country with a Euro-Arab collaboration treaty in 1973. The current day attitude is ignored to the actual problems and are instead largely been blamed on the the influence of Marine Le Pen, who succeeded her father as leader two years ago and revamped the image of her party. But that doesn’t mean that traditionally Socialist France is ready to vote for her.
wesley

Cocoa, FL

#36923 Feb 12, 2013
it is amazing the number of muslims fleeing there beloved middle eastern home lands to come to christian countrys for freedom,and to escape all the different muslim factions that are killing each other.one faction kills the other for not dressing right or praying right,or for not beating their woman enough,ect,ect you get the picture,then they get to the country that took them in they start doing the same thing.if not for oil they would be living in the stone age ..
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#36924 Feb 12, 2013
My Journey from Christianity to Islam – By Capt.(R ) M.A. Ondigo- Part-

Prophet Abraham and his descendents were Muslims:

Quran says

“Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was True in Faith (HANEEF) and bowed his will to Allah’s (which is Islam) and was not who make partners with Allah”(3:67)

“And who turns away from the religion of Abraham, such as debase their souls with folly”

“Him We Chose and rendered pure in this world and he will be in the hereafter in the ranks of the righteous”

“Behold His Lord said to him “Submit (Your will to me), he said “I submit (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the Universe”(2:130-132)

Prophet Jesus and his Disciples were Muslims:

“When jesus found unbelief on their part he said “Who will be my helpers to (the work of Allah)? Said the disciples “We are Allah’s helpers: we believe in Allah and do you bear witness that we are Muslims”(3:52)

Prophet Noah and those who believed were Muslims:

“Relate to them the story of Noah, he said to his people “If it be hard on your mind that I should stay with you and commemorate the Signs of Allah- yet I put my trust in Allah…..and I have been commanded to be of those who submit to Allah’s will “(10:71-72)

Prophet Joseph was a Muslim:

“(O my Lord” you have indeed bestowed on me some power, and taught me something of the interpretations of the dreams and events; O creator of the heavens and the earth! You are my protector in this world and in the hereafter. Take you my soul (in death) as one submitting to Your Will (as a Muslim) and unite me with the righteous”(12:101)

Prophet Solomon was a Muslim:

“(Solomon) said “Soon shall we see whether you have told the truth or lied, go you with this letter of mine and deliver it to them, then draw back and see what answer they return……I submit with Solomon to the Lord of Universe as a Muslim”(27:27-31)

Islam is the name of True Religion:

Through my readings I came to know that many religions were either named after a person’s name, title or a tribe or town. For example Judaism was named after the tribe of Judah in Judea, Christianity after Jesus Christ, Hinduism after a Country (India), Buddhism after Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Mark.

However this was not the case with islam, because the name Islam was of divine origin. It directly came from Allah the Almighty and was expressively mentioned in several passages of the Glorious Quran:

“The religion before Allah is Islam”(3:19)

“If any one desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted from him; and in the hereafter, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost”(3:85)

Hence, I discovered that Islam did not claim to be a new religion brought by Prophet Mohammad, peace be on to him, into Arabia in the seventh century as is commonly understood, rather Islam is a re-expression in its final perfect form of the true religion of God given to all prophets.

(Abridged)

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#36925 Feb 12, 2013
MUQ wrote:
My Journey from Christianity to Islam – By Capt.(R ) M.A. Ondigo- Part-
Prophet Abraham and his descendents were Muslims:
Quran says
“Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was True in Faith (HANEEF) and bowed his will to Allah’s (which is Islam) and was not who make partners with Allah”(3:67)
“And who turns away from the religion of Abraham, such as debase their souls with folly”
“Him We Chose and rendered pure in this world and he will be in the hereafter in the ranks of the righteous”
“Behold His Lord said to him “Submit (Your will to me), he said “I submit (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the Universe”(2:130-132)
Prophet Jesus and his Disciples were Muslims:
“When jesus found unbelief on their part he said “Who will be my helpers to (the work of Allah)? Said the disciples “We are Allah’s helpers: we believe in Allah and do you bear witness that we are Muslims”(3:52)
Prophet Noah and those who believed were Muslims:
“Relate to them the story of Noah, he said to his people “If it be hard on your mind that I should stay with you and commemorate the Signs of Allah- yet I put my trust in Allah…..and I have been commanded to be of those who submit to Allah’s will “(10:71-72)
Prophet Joseph was a Muslim:
“(O my Lord” you have indeed bestowed on me some power, and taught me something of the interpretations of the dreams and events; O creator of the heavens and the earth! You are my protector in this world and in the hereafter. Take you my soul (in death) as one submitting to Your Will (as a Muslim) and unite me with the righteous”(12:101)
Prophet Solomon was a Muslim:
“(Solomon) said “Soon shall we see whether you have told the truth or lied, go you with this letter of mine and deliver it to them, then draw back and see what answer they return……I submit with Solomon to the Lord of Universe as a Muslim”(27:27-31)
Islam is the name of True Religion:
Through my readings I came to know that many religions were either named after a person’s name, title or a tribe or town. For example Judaism was named after the tribe of Judah in Judea, Christianity after Jesus Christ, Hinduism after a Country (India), Buddhism after Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Mark.
However this was not the case with islam, because the name Islam was of divine origin. It directly came from Allah the Almighty and was expressively mentioned in several passages of the Glorious Quran:
“The religion before Allah is Islam”(3:19)
“If any one desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted from him; and in the hereafter, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost”(3:85)
Hence, I discovered that Islam did not claim to be a new religion brought by Prophet Mohammad, peace be on to him, into Arabia in the seventh century as is commonly understood, rather Islam is a re-expression in its final perfect form of the true religion of God given to all prophets.
(Abridged)
IIPH, Riyadh Saudi Arabia
www.iiph.com.sa
More lies being spread by MUG.

The God that Noah, Abraham, Joseph and Jesus submitted to was the one true God, whose name was YHWH, not the false god allah who was one of 360 other gods around at the time of Mohammad. Trying to present them as one and the same is a blasphamy against the one true God YHWH.

The koran can't even get its act together. In relation to who was the first Muslim let's here it straight from the lies of the koran itself.

Who was the first Muslim?

Muhammad Q6:14,163

Moses Q7:143

Abraham Q2:127-133,3:67

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#36926 Feb 12, 2013
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_04_D...

Tabari II:51 "Abraham had been in the cave for fifteen months when he said to his mother,'Take me out that I may look around.'" Why bother? After fifteen months of living in a cave, he would have been blind. "So she took him out one evening and he looked about and thought of the creation of the heavens and the earth and said,'Verily the One who created me and fed me is my Lord - I have no other god but Him.'" Thus, an infant conceived the first pillar of Islam. But alas, the Hadith and Qur'an quickly plummet into spiritual delirium. "He looked out at the sky and saw a star.'This is my Lord.' He followed it with his eyes until it disappeared. When it set he said,'I do not like things that set.' Then he saw the moon rising and said,'This is my Lord.'[Perceptive kid - Allah began his life as a moon deity.] And he followed it until it disappeared. When it set, he said,'If my Lord did not guide me, I would have gone astray.'" A fifteen-month-old baby converts from paganism to Islam by watching the moon. Sure, why not.

Like so many Islamic Traditions, these were written to provide the context the Qur'an lacks. Let's dive into the 6th surah to hear what Allah has to say: Qur'an 6:74 "When Abraham said to his sire, Azar:'Why do you take idols for gods? I find you and your people in manifest error.' Thus We showed Abraham the visible and invisible kingdom of the heavens and earth that he might be of those who are sure and believe. So when night overshadowed him, he saw a star. Said he:'This is my Lord.' When it set, he said:'I do not love the setting ones.' When he saw the moon rising, he said:'This is my Lord.' When it set, he said:'If my Lord had not guided me I would be of the erring people who go astray.'" This is embarrassing. The conversation condemns the message. After Allah personally showed Abe his kingdom so that he might be sure, the Islamic babe turns to the sky, the source of idols, and says, "This is my Lord." What is it about Islam that turns everyone's brains to mush - Allah’s included?

To be continued

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#36927 Feb 12, 2013
Neville Thompson wrote:
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Prof Nagel would have to deny Prof Kalish seeing he has to sell his book.
Yeah, let's not let truth stand in the way!!!!!
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#36928 Feb 12, 2013
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#36929 Feb 12, 2013
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Yes you need help and fast!!!!!!!!!

Miracles of the Quran Exposed
by Amar Khan (Compiler)

20 Feb, 2009

Introduction

About 90% of Muslims do not bother to read Quran with its translation. But still, they believe that Quran is a “miracle” of Allah. If Muslims ever bother to study Quran with an understanding of its meaning and an objective mind, they will find absurdities, hate verses, contradictions, Pseudo science, stolen stories of bible, stories of Mohammed’s wives, stories of his companions, abrogated verses, satanic verses, grammatical errors, dreams of heaven, torture of hell, Allah’s anthropomorphic face, non Arabic words, inequalities, badly copied biblical verses, humor, vulgar language ,Mohammed’s nervousness, his anger, his feelings, his hatred for Jews, his lust, his marriage with daughter in law, his atrocities, his lootings, his pedophilia, his hallucinations, his broken oaths, his broken treaties, misogynist verses, scriber’s wording and many other “miraculous” things. And they will never find any wording for peace except of some ayats of Mecca when Mohammed was weak and a poor shepherd. But they will not get the idea of missing verse of stoning, lashing and list of missing verses and the Quran which is hidden to Muslim “ummah”. Only Shia Imam has “hidden” knowledge about that part of “miraculous“ Quran.

It is a common belief amongst Muslims that the Quran is a treasure-trove of miracles and all kinds of sciences. They universally believe that Westerners get all their sciences from the Quran. It is as much their fault as of some Western (pseudo)scientists, who find all kinds of "$cience in Quran”. Yet, they do not accept Islam, which makes it obvious that they do these to be fattened with petrodollars from the rich Saudi princes.

We, ex-Muslims, have debunked all the deceptive claims of Quranic Sciences over the past years. But they are spread in the form of pieces in FFI forum. I have collected all the data regarding “miracles of the Quran” in this E-Book.

http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/Miracles-...

To be continued
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#36930 Feb 12, 2013
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#36933 Feb 12, 2013
MORE DECEIT FROM THESE MUSLIM GROUPS RECEIVING MONEY FROM AUSTRALIAN TAXPAYERS LIKE YOU AND ME

Islamic council linked to cash shift

Date
November 16, 2012

"The shifting of money makes it harder to determine whether these schools are being operated for profit or not" ... John Kaye.

PRIVATE schools receiving up to $15 million in government funding each year have transferred large sums to the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, which operates six schools around the country and is the country's peak Muslim body.

The chairman of the Islamic College of Brisbane, Mohammed Yusuf, said in an email obtained by Fairfax Media the ''AFIC arbitrarily withdrew $288,000 from Islamic College of Brisbane's account without our approval''.

In the email to fellow board members he also said:''I think that all the council chairmen should ask for accountability and greater transparency before it is too late.''

The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils accountant, Agim Garama, is the business manager for Malek Fahd Islamic School in Sydney, Australia's largest Muslim school.
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He declined to comment on Thursday.

The NSW government has demanded Malek Fahd Islamic School in Sydney repay $9 million in state funding on the basis that it did not receive services for money it gave to the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils.

The former state Labor government amended the Education Act in NSW to prevent private schools from passing surpluses to their owners.

The Malek Fahd school received an average of $11.7 million in annual recurrent funding from the federal government and $4 million from the state government.

The Brisbane college receives an average of $5.9 million in annual government funding.

Mr Yusuf said that since writing his email the AFIC had returned $288,000 to the Islamic College of Brisbane, saying the issue had been resolved.

''Money was legitimately owed to AFIC for lease rentals going back to 2009,'' he said.

However, Abdul Rahman Yahya, chairman of Langford Islamic College in Perth, said the AFIC was not permitted to take money without permission.

''We have to approve any transfer they make,'' he said.

''If they [the AFIC] give us a tax invoice we pay them for a service. They do an insurance policy and accounting for us, and bill us for that.

''So far we don't have any concerns with the money being transferred out because we keep a strict check on it.''

NSW Greens MP John Kaye said there was a lack of rigorous public accountability for the way private schools spent government funds.

''The shifting of money makes it harder to determine whether these schools are being operated for profit or not'', he said.

A Commonwealth audit has identified poor record keeping in relation to transactions between the schools and AFIC, and a lack of proper documentation, or no documentation, of rental arrangements at the Islamic College of Canberra and Islamic College of South Australia. It said rental payments ''appear to be above market value at the Islamic College of Brisbane''.

Education Minister Peter Garrett has directed his department to pursue these matters with the individual schools to determine whether commonwealth funds need to be returned.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/tertiary-educa...
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#36934 Feb 12, 2013
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#36935 Feb 12, 2013
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2. The role of the Female Gamete

The Quran never explicitly claims that the female parent contributes genetic material. It is merely the assumption, and an assumption only, of the Islamists that 'nutfatun amshaajin'(mixed drop or mingled sperm) includes the female gamete.

"Verily WE created Man from a drop of mingled sperm." (76:2)

The term ‘nutfatun amshaajin’ could just as easily refer to the sperm-menstrual blood union of Aristotle and the ancient Indian embryologists, or the two sperm hypothesis of Hippocrates and Galen, or even the readily observed mingling of semen and vaginal discharge during sexual intercourse. In other words, the fact the Quran does not explicitly state that ‘nutfatun amshaajin’ contains the ovum, together with the existence of other possible explanations, means that it is illogical to assume the former and not the latter.

The insistence by Islamists that it explains the former is pure conjecture devoid of evidence, and constitutes the logical fallacy of equivocation, and its adoption is merely wishful thinking or the Islamist art of the ‘reinterpretation after the fact.’

One might contend that the Quran does not claim a role for the ovum at all, or is even ignorant of its existence.

The Islamists claim that the Quran correctly states that the sex of the progeny is determined by the sperm from the male parent, based on verses 53:45-46.

Pickthall: And that He createth the two spouses, the male and the female, From a drop (of seed) when it is poured forth;

[Transliterated Arabic: Waannahu khalaqa alzzawjayni alththakara waal-ontha Min nutfatin itha tumna]

There are only two logical explanations of nutfatin itha tumna; that it is the sperm emitted, or the blastocyst (i.e. zygote) implanted. If it is the latter, the Islamists have no case to argue that the Quran correctly states that gender is determined by the sperm of the male parent. Hence, nutfatin itha tumna must refer to the sperm emitted.

To be continued
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#36937 Feb 12, 2013
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It is possible the Quranic verses 53:45-46 state that the male and female progenies, and not merely the genders, are created from the sperm. This is a possibility totally discounted by Islamists without evidence and suggests a biased interpretation of the verses in light of modern facts. For where is the mention of the ovum? Not in these verses nor anywhere else in the Quran.

In fact, the Quran itself provides the evidence of its doctrinal omission or rejection of the role of the ovum in procreation, for verse 2:223 states that wives are merely tilth. This is saying they are like the earth receiving the zygote (i.e. seed) from the male.

Pickthall 2:223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers,(O Muhammad).

Therefore, if read in the context of verse 2:223,‘nutfatun amshaajin’ cannot contain the ovum because tilth does not contribute genetic material to the development of the seed (i.e. zygote), and must mean the semen mingled with some unspecified non-genetic material-contributing female secretion.

In light of these facts, backed by the Quranic verses, it is apparent that the Quran’s view of human conception and reproduction is that the male parent contributes the diploid seed (nutfatin itha tumna) and the female parent, as tilth, merely contributes the environment and nutrients for the growth and development of this diploid seed.

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#36938 Feb 12, 2013
NZ First MP: Ban Muslims from flights
By Kurt Bayer KurtBayerAPNZ , Matthew Theunissen
6:07 PM Tuesday Feb 12, 2013

New Zealand First MP Richard Prosser has spoken out in defence of his "Wogistan" rant which has been slammed as racist by Muslim leaders and politicians.

In a column for Investigate Magazine, the Waimakariri list MP suggested young Muslims shouldn't be allowed to travel on Western airlines because 'most terrorists are Muslims".

He accepted that most Muslims are not terrorists, but said it's "equally undeniable" that "most terrorists are Muslims".

"If you are a young male, aged between say about 19 and about 35, and you're a Muslim, or you look like a Muslim, or you come from a Muslim country, then you are not welcome to travel on any of the West's airlines," he wrote.

Prime Minister John Key was "appalled" by the comments, while the New Zealand Muslim Association called them "senseless".

But in an interview with Newstalk ZB's political editor Barry Soper, Mr Prosser stood by his controversial stance.

He denied that the use of "Wogistan" was racist, citing mentions of it being a "mythical place", which could even have been "a real place".

"Look, people can read things into it if they want," he said.

"I have a particular style in my Investigate column which is, um, reasonably blunt, and I speak a lot of things that other people are talking about but won't necessarily say.

"I don't think it's anything derogatory particularly, I don't have any real time for the worst extreme elements of Islam who treat women in a poor fashion. So, I certainly think it's appropriate for me to make those comments."

Asked if he was tarring all young male Muslims with the same brush, Mr Prosser said it was a profiling policy that has made Israeli airline El Al "one of the safest airlines in the world".

NZ First Leader Winston Peters initially said there was "an element of truth' to what Mr Prosser wrote but that his MP had failed to balance his attack by acknowledging that the majority of Muslims were peaceful and law abiding.

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