Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.

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When you confront Muslims with all those numerous atrocious passages in the Koran and Hadith that preach hatred against non-Muslims, violence and discrimination against women and non-Muslims, either they say,“This what Allah wants us to do”, or they claim that the situation in non-Muslim societies, in particular in the West, is not better. Their belief is stronger than rationality. For some atrocious passages in the Koran, check out this article.

If hatred and violence were confined to Islamic scriptures without translating them into practice, one would say,“Oh, well, people are entitled to believe in whatever they wish.”

In Islam, however, this is not the case. The number of Muslims who believe in Sharia – an archaic “law” that contradicts lots of universal human right – and in introducing it in every society, including the West, is on the rise. To add insult to injury the number of Western apologists who loudly think of considering Sharia as a law next to the secular one is also rising.

Khan does not only narrate facts, historical and contemporary, he documents them. He says,“A poll 2006 found some 40% of British Muslims wanted to be governed by Sharia.” And “32% thought that killing was justified in defense of Islam.”

Kahn cites Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, who “said in February 2008,“The introduction of Sharia Law in the UK was ‘unavoidable’ and urged the government to consider its legal introduction.”

In addition, Kahn documents the history of Jihad; its roots and nature as an Islamic “invention”, its development and current state of affairs.

“The only (……) group of Muslims who will (certainly) enter Paradise, bypassing the roasting of hellfire, are those who would die as martyrs while fighting in the cause of Allah, e.g. while engaging in Jihad or holy war {Quran 9/111).”

Under “Basic Beliefs in Islam,” Kahn discusses the Muslim claim that Islam is the last and best faith has Allah ever preached. Khan writes,“Allah Himself asserts in the Quran that He sent Islam to abrogate and replace all other religions.”

Khan comprehensively and exclusively focuses on Islam as a creed and practice. If I were him, I would have, once in a while, compared Islam to Judaism and Christianity, in particular with regard the “supremacy of Islam” over other faiths.

For example, while the Bible, the old and new testament, preaches love and positive human values,“Don’t kill!”“Don’t steal!” etc. Allah commands Muslims to follow his apostle, Muhammad, regardless how atrocious his deeds against his enemies are.

Islam, Khan shows very clearly, is the only religion in the history of mankind that used force to subjugate people from other faiths, during the rise of Islam and thereafter. Hence, it is a propagandistic myth when Muslim scholars allege that Islam “freed the oppressed.”

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I don't care how many you post me but, I will continue to post about Islam and the atrocities being caused by it's followers. For every post you send me I will post one about the atrocities being done by Islam regardless of whether or not it is relevant to Australia.

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To prove that Islam is actually a travesty of Judaism and Christianity and other faiths at the time, Khan documents the influence of these religions on Muhammad’s new “faith,” which he and his followers fought so bitterly.

Besides, Khan proves that the so-called golden era – between the 7th and 13th century – of the Muslim Empire did not flourish due to Muslims’ contributions but to those of no-Muslims.“Muslim rulers found the Jews proficient in finance, the Greeks skilled in engineering, architecture and arts, and the Christians in law, medicine, education, and administration. They found it convenient and prudent to employ some of those infidels to continue in their respective professions. As a result, much of the contributions in early centuries of Islam, which Muslims consider as Islamic, came from the mind, toil, and sweat of the much despised non-Arab infidels.”

None of the Arab scholars who lived during the golden era stemmed from the Arabian Peninsula, the birth place of Islam. Ibn Khaldun was a North African and Ibn Rushd was an Andalucian (Spanish) Arab. Both were philosophers and were persecuted for advocating rationality in a bid to reform Islam.

Islamic Jihad is a valuable contribution to every public and private library, comprehensive and meticulously documented. It is a valuable guide to understanding Jihad, i.e. terrorism and the legacy that stands behind it. Further, it is a gripping read, written in a language which everybody understands. I strongly recommend it to both lay and specialized readers.

Dr. Sami Alrabaa, an ex-Muslim, is a sociology professor and an Arab/Muslim culture specialist. Before moving to Germany he taught at Kuwait University, King Saud University, and Michigan State University.
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Spain: Former Muslim Could Face Deportation for Speaking Against Islam

by AWR Hawkins 6 Feb 2013, 6:57 AM PDT

Imram Farasat, a Pakistani Muslim-turned-Christian in 2004 and who was granted asylum in Spain to escape threats to his life, is now being threatened with deportation for speaking out against Islam.

If deported he will be sent back to Pakistan, a move which Farasat and his attorney Sam Nunberg believe will almost certainly result in death.

Welcome to the world of Sharia.

Farasat says that he converted to Christianity after 26 years in Islam because he became convinced Islam was "not a religion," but a "political dictatorship which persecutes and teaches to persecute." He began speaking out against this persecution upon his conversion, and for this is now being pursued by Sharia enforcers.

This is Farasat's observation:

Christians are being persecuted in Islamic countries to the maximum level of suffering and torture and Islam is trying to invade the Western world and kill our values...It is time that citizens of the Western world should stand up and speak the truth against something that is wrong. The Bible teaches us to speak the truth in any situation. And for me the truth is that Islam is a man-made religion which was created in order to govern the world. It has several contradictions in itself. It teaches killing (Jihad),[hatred of] non-Muslims,[discrimination against] women, rule the world at any price, etc.

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fter the violent attacks on U.S. embassies, including Benghazi, on 9.11.12, Farasat called for the Quran to be banned throughout Europe and made a film about Mohammed titled, "The Innocent Prophet." Because of these things, he is now living daily under the threat of death.

When Breitbart News spoke with Farasat's attorney Sam Nunberg about this case, Nunberg simply stressed that "Muslims, like everyone else, are going to have to learn that free speech is free speech. That people have the right to voice their opinion on a matter, even if that matter is a religion. And that's all that Farasat has done."

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How did we admit so many Hezbollah recruits?
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February 07 2013 (11:21am)


Our immigration and multicultural programs were overseen by politicians either dangerously naive or wilfully blind. And the journalists who self-censored any criticism are as culpable:

AUSTRALIAN authorities are co-operating with international investigators to trace the activities of an Australian man identified as the bombmaker for a deadly terrorist attack in Bulgaria (pictured above) now blamed on Hezbollah, prompting calls for a global crackdown on the organisation…

It is understood that the Australian man, who is believed to have dual Australian and Lebanese nationality, is from an Australian family of activists well known to counter-terrorism authorities…

Australia has listed the Hezbollah External Security Organisation as a terrorist group since 2003. Support for, or membership of, this organisation is an offence under Australian law.

Australia’s anti-money laundering regulator Austrac has previously investigated Australian citizens suspected of sending money to Lebanon to support Hezbollah in breach of terror financing laws…

Outside the Fatima al-Zahrah Mosque in Sydney yesterday, a 30-year-old Lebanese man warned that Hezbollah was flourishing in Australia.

“This is the first thing people must understand: Hezbollah is not an organisation, it is not a thing. It is a way of life, a values system,” said the man, who declined to be named…

“We exist to counter oppression and (have done so) ever since the (1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon). So long as there is oppression of Shi’ite Islam, we will be Hezbollah.

“When my parents, our parents, came to Australia you didn’t hear from them because they didn’t speak English.

”But people my age speak English and you will hear much more of this, there will be more resistance and then more resistance, and that is Hezbollah.”

Senior NSW police officers said they feared young men from Sydney’s Middle Eastern communities could travel overseas to train with paramilitary organisations such as Hezbollah before returning to Australia, planning to use that knowledge in a domestic attack.

It is not quite true that the older generation of immigrants said nothing about Hezbollah. It’s just that few chose to hear or heed. From this blog in 2006:

But back to Mr Hassan, who wants “death” for Israel and “long life” for the Lebanese resistance - ie, Hezbollah.

Question: Why is a man who supports an Islamist group which the Australian Government has listed as a terrorist organisation serving as one of the Prime Minister’s Muslim advisors?

In fact, why are a third of the Prime Minister’s handpicked Muslim Community Reference Group open supporters of this terrorist outfit? Shouldn’t they be sacked immediately?

I am not convinced that mass immigration from Lebanon has been a net gain for Australia, or better for us than a similar intake would have been from, say, England or India.

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Punishing the prudent


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The Gillard Government is so desperate for cash today that it will loot your savings for tomorrow:

ONE of the architects of the superannuation regime has warned against a tax hike on workers’ savings, amid industry predictions that Labor’s proposed changes could deliver a “retrospective” hit to concessions worth $32 billion a year.

As Julia Gillard yesterday refused to rule out changes to super, Industry Funds Management chairman Garry Weaven, who helped design the landmark Labor reform as a top union official in the 1990s, declared it was “time for a pause” in the constant amendments to super tax rules…

The government is considering a tax on distributions from superannuation funds with assets of more than $1 million, adjusting rules brought in by Howard government treasurer Peter Costello in 2006 that made super distributions tax-free, regardless of fund size.

While some describe the changes as a hit to the very wealthy, the Association of Superannuation Funds of Australia estimated that a $1m fund would only provide a pension of about $50,000 a year and that a couple looking for a “comfortable” retirement would need $56,339 a year.

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I do not know what Grand Mufti did or did not do.
I am not answering questions about any individual.
Grand Mufti is not what Islam is. He is not like Pope of Christians. These are human given names.
Talk to me about what are Islamic teachings on any issue and then judge who was right and who was not.
Since in Christianity you have no rules, so you have to look at their actions and comment.
What "little rules" they have like "Turn the other cheek" and "Love your enemies".... I do not see any Christian nation practicing it in past 2000 years, not a single one.
But every Christian would be jumping and pointing "Look at our Jesus, he was Prince of peace".
Well, he might have been, but what benefit will you get if you do not follow his path?
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Once upon a time in the middle east. There was a arab and he raped and murdered everything he sees...

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Been away. Clearly that rattled you and createe serious doubt about the apostasy you preach.
I know more about Islam and it's confection than you ever will. You argument is shallow and evident in its flaw. As you subliminally admit:
"That is why Islam is today what it was 1400 years back".

Exactly. Re read the post and explain why Islam given the chance to evolve and align itself to
human and social needs, still remains trapped in a 7th century Pre feudal Arabic belief system that can not incorporate logic or love.

Your idols are as distant & uncaring and without humanity as the moon.

An Allah that does not connect with humanity.
So you worship the man image of a false prophet and pray to objects.

Unreformed and unredeemable, any Muslim that knew better but conciously choses to continue to worship false gods and false prophets commits a
sin.
You know this, it is why Islam is neurotic and aggressive rather than relaxed and confident
of it's purity and logic like true religions.
You got smashed here MUQ.
This person asked you a clear simple question before that so MUQ if you can stick to the topic and answer it.
Was it true for that for 30 years in the 9th century that the figureheads and ruling authorities of Islam decreed that the Quran was made made and needed major correction.
And also they stated that Muhammad was just one of a number of 'messengers', not a prophet at all.
Just a Yes or No will do.

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Another wonderfull preacher from islam in the home os islam...saudi arabia.

No thanks MUQ, we might stick with our own religion thanks.

A popular Saudi Arabian television preacher was found guilty of murdering his own 5-year-old daughter because he doubted her virginity, as reported by The Daily Mail (of London, England) on Feb. 4, 2013.

Although found guilty of murder, Sheikh Fayhan al-Ghamdi was released after being fined $50,000 (£31,000) as "blood money" under Islamic Sharia'a Law for the death of his child.

Ghamdi had been incarcerated since last November and the presiding judge ruled the handful of months was sufficient time behind bars.

Little Lama al-Ghamdi died this past October after suffering multiple and horrendous injuries at the hands of her father.

In line with Sharia'a Law, a father cannot be executed for the slaying of either his wife or any of his children.

The $50,000 blood money presented to the girl's mother is half the amount if the murdered child were a boy.

According to press reports, Lama suffered the following injuries:
•A broken back.
•Raped multiple times.
•A crushed skull.
•Numerous burns throughout her body.
•A broken left arm.
•Multiple broken ribs.
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Another reason why muslims claim islam as the worlds fastest growing religion, anyone can threaten a 13 yr old girl but alas......only islam would do it.

On December 23, 2012, 13-year-old Agape Essam Girgis from the village of Nahda, el-Ameriya, near Alexandria, went to school as usual. Failing to return home, the family knew that she went out of school accompanied by the Muslim social worker Heba and two teachers, one of the them a Salafist. She stayed missing for 9 days during which the family and sympathizers organized a sit-in in front of the renowned Alexandria Library. The Coptic Church in Alexandria also organized a conference on December 30 on the abduction of Coptic girls, with focus on Agape, which was attended by journalists and the public.

On December 31 state security contacted Bishop Pachomios and told him that they have the kidnapped girl. She was handed over to her family and the church priest where she stayed with his family for some time due to the terrible ordeal she experienced during her abduction.

Bishop Pachomios said in an aired interview with Al Balad TV that what happened to Agape is "heart-breaking." He said that she went in a taxi with her school's social worker Heba and two men, and that she was drugged and awakened to find herself in a secluded place with an elderly woman. He said that after she returned home he spoke to her and she said that the Salafists tried to convert her to Islam.

Activist Ramy Attia Zakaria, of the April 6 Liberal Movement in Alexandria, interviewed Agape upon her return and said it is now confirmed that her Muslim social worker Heba was behind the abduction. "Agape left school with her and two teachers. The girl was drugged in the car to wake up in a secluded house with two sheikhs and an elderly woman," Ramy said. He added that Agape stayed there for about eight days until three sheikhs came and spoke with one of the sheikhs she was staying with, telling him that Agape has to returned to her family as they are making demonstrations for her return. Agape said that during her stay with the Salafis sheikhs they tried to make her convert to Islam by saying the "Islamic Two Faith Confessions" but she refused. They forced her to wear the full veil and took photos of her in this dress. Agape said that she was beaten two or three times when she refused to convert to Islam.
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Is this allah`s reward for his followers, no jobs, dirty sociaty, no pride ?
The christian god rewards his people with plenty of jobs, beautifull sociaties and peace and harmony.

any wonder muslims run to christian lands.

Youth unemployment in the Arab region is the highest in the world, according to a report by the U.N. International Labour Organization (ILO) released on Tuesday.

The investigative body stated that the Arab uprisings have exposed skewed development policies, social justice deficits and over twenty years of poorly managed economic liberalization.

“As a region, youth unemployment is the highest globally at 23.2 percent, compared to a world average of 13.9 percent, and varies significantly within sub-regions,” said the report named “Rethinking Economic Growth: Towards Productive and Inclusive Arab Societies.”

The report does have some positive assessments of the situation in the Middle East. The Arab region has achieved near universal primary education enrolment since the 1970’s.

Furthermore the youth literacy rate is now 92 percent in North Africa and 99 per cent in the Middle East and the Gulf Cooperation Council, reported the Saudi Press Agency.

Countries in the region were able to tackle debt and inflation during the 1990’s and 2000’s, they also managed to spur economic growth and create jobs.

However, growth lagged behind global standards and the newly created jobs were focused in the arena of low productivity sectors. Governments paid scant attention to the social consequences of their economic policies.

Meanwhile, according to the report, the private sector has remained among the least competitive globally due to low rates of investment as well as a poor regulatory environment. There is also the noted issue of widespread nepotism and corruption.

Mohammad Pournik, Poverty Practice Leader at the United Nations Development Fund’s (UNDP) regional centre in Cairo, noted that one of the demands of Arab youth was attaining jobs without the need for intermediaries or “Wasta.”

“The real issue is the need for jobs with social dignity rather than jobs that come at the expense of dignity,” said Pournik.

According to the report, economic growth in the next decade is dependent on good governance – which must improve to attract higher rates of investment and enable structural and institutional reforms.
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02. I know more about Islam and it's confection than you ever will. You argument is shallow and evident in its flaw. As you subliminally admit:


03. Exactly. Re read the post and explain why Islam given the chance to evolve and align itself to human and social needs,

04. Your idols are as distant & uncaring and without humanity as the moon. An Allah that does not connect with humanity. So you worship the man image of a false prophet and pray to objects.

05. Unreformed and unredeemable, any Muslim that knew better but consciously chooses to continue to worship false gods and false prophets commits a
sin. You know this,
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01 and 02. As Quran says “What is left after truth but the falsehood”? The same I can say to sum up my response to your post. When some thing is “perfected” the only way for its ‘Evolution” and “Improvement” is to slide it lower and lower.

That is what the situation between Islam and these “man made religions” like Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism etc.(by the way, all these names are given by the followers and none by their Prophets or originators). All these religions are imperfect and unable to keep pace with time.

So every now and often they need to be “modified and align with the ongoing ruling philosophy of the world”. Otherwise people will throw them out.(If you want to see the example, look at Christians “trying to prove from the Bible” that is not against Sodomy and Lesbians!!)

02. In case of Islam, it has sufficient flexibility to take care of changing needs of human society. But as regards fundamentals, they are fixed and there is no need to change them. So it remains “fixed and flexible” at the same time. If there was any need to change the Fundamentals, then there would have been need for a New Prophet.

To give you some examples:

a. Idol Worship is an abomination now as it was 1400 years ago.

b. Imbibing Alcohol and Narcotic is as bad now as it was 1400 years back. No Medical research has proven that Alcohol and Narcotics became “good” for human race in these modern times.

c. Gambling, Usury, Interest are as bad for human society as it was 1400 years back. Just because they are known by different names today, would make them beneficial to human society.

d. Adultery, fornication, illegal sex, Sodomy, Lesbianism , Pornography and all types of sexual immorality and perversion are as bad today as they were 1400 years back. Just because we are living in 21st Century would make them beneficial to the human society.

e. Crimes like Theft, Robbery, Rape, Murder,…still need strong punishment today as they were 1400 years back.

The Modern “human” methods of “soft punishments and reformation” have not cured the disease and it is always on the rise. So the “Only” solution to curb these crimes are to use Islamic System. And Islam does not only gives deterrent punishment, it makes a society in which there are less chances of committing these crimes.

05. There are no idols in Islam and I do not know what are you talking about.

Moon is not worshipped in Islam in any way and Quran says “Do not prostrate before Sun or Moon, but before Allah who created them”

06. Seeing the examples of your “evolved” religion and what mockery it has made of your society, we thank Allah that we are on the true path.

Our fundamentals are same and we can say that we follow the paths of Prophet.

Which Prophet’s path your “Evolved religions” are following?

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