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What the Grand Mufti did,was it the right thing to do ?
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#36745 Feb 6, 2013
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#36746 Feb 6, 2013
That "THING" !
#36748 Feb 6, 2013
Been away. Clearly that rattled you and createe serious doubt about the apostasy you preach.
I know more about Islam and it's confection than you ever will. You argument is shallow and evident in its flaw. As you subliminally admit:
"That is why Islam is today what it was 1400 years back".
Exactly. Re read the post and explain why Islam given the chance to evolve and align itself to human and social needs, still remains trapped in a 7th century Pre feudal Arabic belief system that can not incorporate logic or love.
Your idols are as distant & uncaring and without humanity as the moon. An Allah that does not connect with humanity. So you worship the man image of a false prophet and pray to objects.
Unreformed and unredeemable, any Muslim that knew better but conciously choses to continue to worship false gods and false prophets commits a
sin. You know this, it is why Islam is neurotic and aggressive rather than relaxed and confident of it's purity and logic like true religions.
Dammam, Saudi Arabia
#36749 Feb 6, 2013
I do not know what Grand Mufti did or did not do.
I am not answering questions about any individual.
Grand Mufti is not what Islam is. He is not like Pope of Christians. These are human given names.
Talk to me about what are Islamic teachings on any issue and then judge who was right and who was not.
Since in Christianity you have no rules, so you have to look at their actions and comment.
What "little rules" they have like "Turn the other cheek" and "Love your enemies".... I do not see any Christian nation practicing it in past 2000 years, not a single one.
But every Christian would be jumping and pointing "Look at our Jesus, he was Prince of peace".
Well, he might have been, but what benefit will you get if you do not follow his path?
Dammam, Saudi Arabia
#36750 Feb 6, 2013
My Journey from Christianity to Islam – By Capt.(R ) M.A. Ondigo- Part-
Jesus Did not die on the Cross:
Going thru the Gospels and Quran, I found that it is not historically acceptable to say that Jesus Christ willingly gave himself to die on the cross for sins of humankind. There are numerous passages in the Bible to the contrary. In fact when we read the Bible, we came to the conclusion that Jesus was not ready to die for anybody’s sins.
The following are just a few of those passages indicating that Jesus never at any time wanted to die:
1. Jesus was Reluctant to die (Matthew 26:50-51)
2. Jesus beseeched God for help (Matt. 26:36-39)
3. God Heard the prayers of Jesus (Matt. 7:7-11)
4. An angel of God was sent to strengthen Jesus ((Luke 22:43)
5. Pilate Finds Jesus not guilty of the Charges against him (Matt. 27:22-25 and Luke 23:13-15)
6. Jesus was supposedly on the Cross for only three hours (Matt. 27:45-46)
7. Two of Jesus’‘cross-mates’ were alive (John 19:32-33)
8. Forthwith came out blood and water (John 19:33-38)
9. Thunderstorm, earthquake and darkening of sun (Matt. 28:1-4)
10. The Jews doubted whether Jesus was dead (Matt. 27:62-64)
11. Pilate marvels to hear that Jesus is dead (Mark 15:44-46)
12. Stone and Winding sheets had to be removed (Matt. 28:1-4 and Luke 24:1-5)
13. The Disciples were petrified upon seeing Jesus alive (Mark 14:44-50 and Luke 24:36-43)
14. The Miracle of Jesus was like that of Jonah (Matt.12:38-41)
These verses and many make a serious doubt what exactly happened on the mount of Calvary. There was no single eyewitness who could recount the entire episode. The bits and pieces which Gospel writers have provided for us, make an confused account.
While Quran’s view that Jesus did not die on cross and was not killed by his enemies and those who say so are full of doubt and confusion, they have no real knowledge but only speak with conjecture … is the most accurate and authentic rendering of the whole episode!!
Then when we look at the statements of Jesus as recorded in Gospels, there is no mention at all about his dieing for the sins of humanity. Let us see the following statement:
“And behold, one came and said to him “Good Master, what good things shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said “Why you call me good? There is none good but one, that is God, but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matt. 19:16-17)
In this answer, Jesus said nothing about the redeeming power of his blood.
In my quest for the truth I found that Islam completely and strongly rejected the dogma of blood atonement for salvation….
Allah says “No bearer of burden can bear the burden of another..”(53:38-40)
Islam’s scheme of salvation to be attained in the hereafter is based on:
a. The Grace of God
b. True and Sincere faith in God and not mere lip service faith.
c. Good works that are the fruits of sincere faith.
d. Repentance of the committed sins, major or minor before one dies.
There are many very clear verses and Quran and sayings of Prophet Mohammad recorded in the most authentic books of Hadith verifying these.
IIPH, Riyadh Saudi Arabia
#36751 Feb 6, 2013
Lets teach MUQ about his own religion, this is why your not trusted MUQ
Are Muslims permitted to lie?
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
Qur'an (16:106)- Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Qur'an (3:28)- This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."
Qur'an (9:3)- "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Qur'an (40:28)- A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Qur'an (2:225)- "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.
Qur'an (66:2)- "Allah has already ordained for you,(O men), the dissolution of your oaths"
Qur'an (3:54)- "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same.(See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (52:269)- "The Prophet said,'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).
Bukhari (49:857)- "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
Bukhari (84:64-65)- Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."
Muslim (32:6303)- "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."
Bukhari (50:369)- Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.
From Islamic Law:
Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2)- "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...
#36752 Feb 6, 2013
Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:
Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.
Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind") while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."
Though not called Taqiyya by name, Muhammad clearly used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover. The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.
Another example of lying is when Muhammad used deception to trick his personal enemies into letting down their guard and exposing themselves to slaughter by pretending to seek peace. This happened in the case of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf (as previously noted) and again later against Usayr ibn Zarim, a surviving leader of the Banu Nadir tribe, which had been evicted from their home in Medina by the Muslims.
At the time, Usayr ibn Zarim was attempting to gather an armed force against the Muslims from among a tribe allied with the Quraish (against which Muhammad had already declared war). Muhammad's "emissaries" went to ibn Zarim and persuaded him to leave his safe haven on the pretext of meeting with the prophet of Islam in Medina to discuss peace. Once vulnerable, the leader and his thirty companions were massacred by the Muslims with ease, belying the probability that they were mostly unarmed, having been given a guarantee of safe passage (Ibn Ishaq 981).
Such was the reputation of Muslims for lying and then killing that even those who "accepted Islam" did not feel entirely safe. The fate of the Jadhima is tragic evidence for this. When Muslim "missionaries" approached their tribe one of the members insisted that they would be slaughtered even though they had already "converted" to Islam to avoid just such a demise. However, the others were convinced that they could trust the Muslim leader's promise that they would not be harmed if they simply offered no resistance.(After convincing the skeptic to lay down his arms, the unarmed men of the tribe were quickly tied up and beheaded - Ibn Ishaq 834 & 837).
Today's Muslims often try to justify Muhammad's murder of poets and others who criticized him at Medina by saying that they broke a treaty by their actions. Yet, these same apologists place little value on treaties broken by Muslims. From Muhammad to Saddam Hussein, promises made to non-Muslim are distinctly non-binding in the Muslim mindset.
Leaders in the Arab world routinely say one thing to English-speaking audiences and then something entirely different to their own people in Arabic. Yassir Arafat was famous for telling Western newspapers about his desire for peace with Israel, then turning right around and whipping Palestinians into a hateful and violent frenzy against Jews.
The 9/11 hijackers practiced deception by going into bars and drinking alcohol, thus throwing off potential suspicion that they were fundamentalists plotting jihad. This effort worked so well, in fact, that even weeks after 9/11, John Walsh, the host of a popular American television show, said that their bar trips were evidence of 'hypocrisy.'
#36753 Feb 6, 2013
The transmission from Flight 93 records the hijackers telling their doomed passengers that there is "a bomb on board" but that everyone will "be safe" as long as "their demands are met." Obviously none of these things were true, but these men, who were so intensely devoted to Islam that they were willing to "slay and be slain for the cause of Allah" (as the Qur'an puts it) saw nothing wrong with employing Taqiyya in order to facilitate their mission of mass murder.
The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) insists that it "has not now or ever been involved with the Muslim Brotherhood, or supported any covert, illegal, or terrorist activity or organization." In fact, it was created by the Muslim Brotherhood and has bankrolled Hamas. At least nine founders or board members of ISNA have been accused by prosecutors of supporting terrorism.
Prior to engineering several deadly terror plots, such as the Fort Hood massacre and the attempt to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner, American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki was regularly sought out by NPR, PBS and even government leaders to expound on the peaceful nature of Islam.
The near absence of Qur'anic verse and reliable Hadith that encourage truthfulness is somewhat surprising, given that many Muslims are convinced that their religion teaches honesty. In fact, it is because of this ingrained belief that many Muslims are quite honest. When lying is addressed in the Qur'an, it is nearly always in reference to the "lies against Allah" - referring to the Jews and Christians who rejected Muhammad's claim to being a prophet.
Finally, the circumstances by which Muhammad allowed a believer to lie to a non-spouse are limited to those that either advance the cause of Islam or enable a Muslim to avoid harm to his well-being (and presumably that of other Muslims as well). Although this should be kept very much in mind when dealing with matters of global security, such as Iran's nuclear intentions, it is not grounds for assuming that the Muslim one might personally encounter on the street or in the workplace is any less honest than anyone else.
#36754 Feb 6, 2013
Jesus never allows lying in any form, even with faced with death at the hands of islam at a forced conversion.
You get off easy MUQ, you can lie to get out of anything, you see, your god is different from ours.
#36755 Feb 6, 2013
MUQ we know all this - Islam teaches Muslims that Jesus was fake, lied, deceived his followers, was a useless prophet so muhammad had to be the next and final and last and best one from god to fix it all up. Everything Jesus said was a lie or subject to doubt. Sura 4 156/158 says it all
Muhammad here repeats and then embellishes the Jewish line... Because he was a Jewish missionary until the jews declared him heretic.
Then he made up his own heretical apostasy almost entirely based on judasm with Arab paganism synthesized into it based on a whole set of lies so he could protect his inherited camel fleet and steal the Jews caravan trade..
Islam birthed from world class origins..
Let's look at Capt. Idigo. 8 books. African role
model Muslim. All the books are crap.(have looked).
Capt Idigo contribution to religion and peace for humanity can be found in such titles as my journey or 40 poisonous haddeth or his best effort 40 good haadeth.(a hadeeth being a bit like a muslim masters paper but for rote trained and largely ignorant clerical people who wish to invent more rules).
The best pick of the '40 good haadeth' is Capt Idigo learned preaching that Muslim men should wear women's perfume because Allah likes that.
And also use the toothstick (the toothpick is haaram) as allah likes the fresh mouth..
Does the Capt assume Allah has a nose?
That would be very haaram if not shirk and perhaps tasweer also.
Capt Idigo career was spent writing almost jack and Jill like cut and paste (as we have seen from MUQ) funded by Arabs to spread Islam like a virus amongst the poor and vulnerable Africans.
The good Capt. then went on in his life as a funded corrupter of young childrens life's in madagsgar madresses.
A victim of Islam, spreading it to fellow Africans like lolly lies laced with the poison of heresy and Taqiyya as above.
So MUQ, no more Capt Idigo, he is about as credible as pig meat kababs being sold as baby goat in the souk near where you live.
Muslim : " oh but we worship Jesus too (as a failed lying decieving no good hopeless prophet).
Imagine the good Capt and how many kids he has filled their head with on this nonsense.
All the woman's perfume and toothsticks in the world don't stop the foul stench of Taqiyya pouring from his mouth.
These are the kind of lies or Taqiyya that give
reason to discard anything a Muslim says unless independently checked & verified.
Since: Jun 12
#36756 Feb 6, 2013
We've come this far. Why give up now? Hold your nose if you must. Verses 22-25 of the 16th surah say that non-Muslims are puffed up with pride (probably from holding their noses) and living in denial. But Allah is on to them like stink on...well, you know what. The Big Guy asks, "'What has your Lord sent down.' They answer,'Tales from long ago.'" In other words, a blend of plagiarism and stolen Hebrew and Babylonian myths. As you will discover in the "Source Material" appendix, the Islamic clerics in Baghdad who fleshed out the Qur'an in the eighth century attempted to make it seem more religious by usurping myths and fables from the Talmud, uninspired Jewish folklore.
That somehow leads us to this: Qur'an 16:26 "Those that have gone before them had also conspired; [Have you noticed how many plots there are in the Qur'an? Everybody has a conspiracy going, even Allah.] Then Allah uprooted their structure from its foundation; the roof fell over them from above, and punishment came upon them from where they did not suspect." Okay, I understand. Without the context of the Hadith the Qur'an doesn't make sense. But with the context, nothing makes sense.
Tabari II:109 "Then it fell, and on that day the languages of mankind became confused from fright, and mankind came to speak seventy-three languages. Before that the only language had been Syriac. It was called Babel." In the midst of the stench, there are some pearls. The first written languages, Sumerian and then Akkadian, were created around 3000 B.C. They were used by the Sumerians, Babylonians, and Assyrians. Aramaic, which may have been derived from Phoenician, was used as the basis for Syriac some 3,000 years later. But the confession is enlightening. The Syrian Christians were the first to write Arabic. They developed its alphabet in the sixth century. Written Arabic, from which the word "qur'an" was derived, didn't make its way into Central Arabia, and therefore to Mecca, until after Muhammad alleges the Qur'an was "revealed" to him in Arabic. So this ridiculous notion that Syriac was the first language is designed to solve a problem our Muslim pals have with their timeline. The alphabet of the Qur'an was actually unknown when "the book" was revealed.
To be continued
#36757 Feb 6, 2013
Beaten and nailed to the cross, according to the Romans themselves; raised from the dead, according to the Christians Jesus appeared to.
To say Jesus "did not want to die" is also not so as Jesus told Peter to get a sword, not for the romans rather he feared an angry mob would come along before the Romans got there, and he knew he must fulfill the prophecy.(Mt 26:51-54)
No matter the evidence for Christianity and against the founding of Islam the Muslim may never convert as long as they reside in their dark age nations.
#36758 Feb 6, 2013
Anyway, Australia has a recent new US base by Darwin. Some wonder why is this believing it about China. No, it is instead about Islam following the Aus uprising beach protests against Islam and the unwillingness of the local police to put this down. Now the US troops are on site to make sure Islam is continued to allow invasion by migration caused by wars.
#36759 Feb 6, 2013
A fascinating history lesson, thanks.
So the problem of Islamic takeover is nothing new @ all. Despite their bloodthirsty reputation now, the Crusaders knew how to deal with them. Better than today's bleeding heart liberals.
East Maitland, Australia
#36761 Feb 6, 2013
Muq here's some more, ISLAMIC SUCCESS
But we know its Islamic failure.
#36762 Feb 6, 2013
now go get a job bludging parasite!
#36763 Feb 6, 2013
They were definite space cadets.
#36764 Feb 6, 2013
Hello Shila, gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Indian princess.
Since: Jun 12
#36765 Feb 6, 2013
No surprises here!!!!!!!!!!
Last Updated: Wed Feb 06, 2013 14:32 pm (KSA) 11:32 am (GMT)
Youth unemployment in Arab region is highest in the world: International Labour Organization
By Al Arabiya
Youth unemployment in the Arab region is the highest in the world, according to a report by the U.N. International Labour Organization (ILO) released on Tuesday.
The investigative body stated that the Arab uprisings have exposed skewed development policies, social justice deficits and over twenty years of poorly managed economic liberalization.
“As a region, youth unemployment is the highest globally at 23.2 percent, compared to a world average of 13.9 percent, and varies significantly within sub-regions,” said the report named “Rethinking Economic Growth: Towards Productive and Inclusive Arab Societies.”
The report does have some positive assessments of the situation in the Middle East. The Arab region has achieved near universal primary education enrolment since the 1970’s.
Furthermore the youth literacy rate is now 92 percent in North Africa and 99 per cent in the Middle East and the Gulf Cooperation Council, reported the Saudi Press Agency.
Countries in the region were able to tackle debt and inflation during the 1990’s and 2000’s, they also managed to spur economic growth and create jobs.
However, growth lagged behind global standards and the newly created jobs were focused in the arena of low productivity sectors. Governments paid scant attention to the social consequences of their economic policies.
Meanwhile, according to the report, the private sector has remained among the least competitive globally due to low rates of investment as well as a poor regulatory environment. There is also the noted issue of widespread nepotism and corruption.
Mohammad Pournik, Poverty Practice Leader at the United Nations Development Fund’s (UNDP) regional centre in Cairo, noted that one of the demands of Arab youth was attaining jobs without the need for intermediaries or “Wasta.”
“The real issue is the need for jobs with social dignity rather than jobs that come at the expense of dignity,” said Pournik.
According to the report, economic growth in the next decade is dependent on good governance – which must improve to attract higher rates of investment and enable structural and institutional reforms.
“Arabs need an inclusive development model that is grounded in social justice,” said Nada al-Nashif, Regional Director for the Arab States, International Labour Organization.
The ILO and UNDP plan to hold roundtable talks on the findings of the report, the first is slated to occur at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace’s Middle East Centre in Beirut on February 8, 2013.
#36766 Feb 6, 2013
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