Why should Australians fear from Muslims?

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About 800 people gathered in Camden, NSW and raised their voice against the plan for an Islamic School to be built in the area.
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Just trying to "gloss over" your own difficulties and putting all your venom against Islam, are you?
But the more your try, the more you fail, that is the fate of falsehood?
So Jews have "few" doubts. After "insulating themselves" in a "watertight compartment" what else they can do? Living like "frogs in their own well"!!
And you say "Christians do not worry about the details" (So long as Jesus died for them!!)….just glossing over the inter clan wars that kept Christians busy for many centuries. Just do not know your own history? Do you
And who were those "three ninth century Caliphs that declared Quran as fake" ? Never heard of them?
And if Quran is fake, why can't people write another book like Quran (as they have done for Gospels, they penned down more than 100, all "aided" by the Holy Ghost)!!
And then you just gloss over Islam conquering the Tatars, whom neither Christianity, nor Judaism nor Buddhism could control.
You accuse me of Taqiyya, but your own post is full of it.
Ignoring Islam's success story and hiding your own's failures!!
Ignoring Islam's success story and hiding your own's failures!!

You mean if you cannot discuss them logically, shut your ears and eyes and "pretend" they do not exist? Nice try!!

+++++ What is this success story +++++?

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01. Our Prophet's mission was to "establish" Kingdom of Heavens on earth and Jesus' mission was to "announce" that Kingdom of God is near. When you have different missions, your tactics shall be different.
It is on record that our prophet established the Kingdom of Heaven in the whole of Arabia in mere 10 years, with the loss of less that 1000 lives (counted on both side), that alone speaks for his peaceful nature. And that was transformation for eternity.
02. The goodness of Islam is attracting good and reasonable people towards it since its inception. More people are entering into Islam than those leaving it and this trend has never ended.
03. People from every where go to places where they find better facilities. Why so many Non Muslims come to work in Saudi Arabia? You can find thousands of British, Americans, Germans, French, Australians working here. What brings them here?
04. I have to dwell in the past to tell what Islam can and will do when you adhere to it and to which depth you shall follow if you only give lip service to it.
More innocent people were killed by Christians and White race than any other religion and race of the world.
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1.The only record you have is the word of a lying prophet who was possessed by satan. There is no historical documentation to support the claim of the koran and neither is there any prophecy concerning or supporting the claims of Islam. There is also no archeological evidence to support Islam

2. The "goodness" of Islam can be seen on a daily basis. All posters have to do is look around the world and see that goodness being manifested in countless countries in the form of murders, hangings, stonings, amputations etc etc. Yeah we can all see the "goodness" of Islam. It is also manifest in the training of PALESTINIAN CHILDREN taught to hate and kill.

3. The only reason that people like yourself are going to countries like Saudi Arabia is for money, not for the love of the people Why is it that all Muslim countries are shitholes including India which is were you are from?

4. You choose to dwell in the past, don't you have free choice? By dwelling in the past you are perpetuating the 7th century ignorant and violent behaviour that Mohammad and his tribe were famous for. You have shown us nothing of what Islam can do and neither can you show how it has "progressed" in modern times

4. In relation to your "statement" about the people killed by Christians and Whites provided evidence to support your claims don't just open that big mouth of yours to let out hot air!!!!!!

Just off the top of my head I can think of despots such as:

Ho Chi Minh: Killed 3.5 million
Stalin: Killed 10-20 million
Mao Zedong: Killed 45 million
Pol Pot Killed 1.5 million
Genghis Khan Killed 30-40 million
Yahya Khan Killed 3 million

None of whom were Christian.

Muslims started their crusades way before the Western Crudades which were launched in 1095 in retaliation to the Muslim onslaught.

Muslims today are continuing their deadly crusades against innocents around the world all in the name of their pagan deity allah and his false prophet

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http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_03_I...

I share this with you not to expose Catholicism's foundations, nor turn this into a mere history lesson, but so you might understand the nature of these Islamic religious traditions better. Up to this point, all we have had to work with is reason and internal contradiction to decide if Muhammad was telling the truth when he recast the Genesis accounts of creation, Adam, Satan, and Noah. Yes, they were incriminating, full of contradictions, and inaccuracies. And yes, Muhammad’s agenda of making Mecca and the Ka'aba important and his own rather unprophet-like behavior seem religious was always transparent. But now we have a new tool: history.

Just as the Septuagint and the Dead Sea Scrolls disprove Allah’s assertion that the Jews corrupted their scriptures, the clay tablets of Ur, Babylon, and Nineveh prove that Muhammad lied when he tried to reshape Abraham into a compatriot of Nimrod. And this lie is not without consequence. If Abraham was not as Allah claims, the Qur'an disintegrates. Abraham is the lone, thin string that connects Islam to the Bible. And without the Bible, all that is rational and religious in the Qur'an evaporates, and Islam with it.

Abraham's story is repeated thirty times in the Qur'an in fifteen different surahs. We hear Adam's tale of woe four times. Noah was a crowd pleaser; the mocked messenger makes thirty appearances in thirty different surahs. You just can't get enough death and destruction. That's why Lot, Abraham's nephew and a relatively minor Biblical character, débuts no fewer than fifteen times. He too, was recast as Allah’s Messenger. The people didn't obey, so wham - fire and brimstone. Moses, the great liberator, prophet, and miracle worker, was the most frequently named character in Allah’s book, with a stunning 500 appearances. The longest surah, the 2nd, was dedicated to the golden calf the Israelites foolishly crafted in the wilderness. The 10th surah is called "Jonah." The 12th is named after and preoccupied with "Joseph." The 14th is dedicated to "Abraham." The 17th is named after the Jews, the "Children of Israel." The 19th derives its name from "Mary," mother of Jesus. The 21st is dedicated to the Hebrew "Prophets." Only one is named for Muhammad and just one bears the name of his first god, "Ar-Rahman." "Noah" has a surah named in his honor, but so do the "Pen," "Jinn," "Signs of the Zodiac," the "Sun," and "Moon."

Without the Bible, the Qur'an would be a very thin book. Detached from its influence, Islam loses most of its religious trappings. This is the reason Muslims are so insistent that the God of the Bible and the god of the Qur'an are the same. For if they are not, Islam’s reliance on the Bible becomes an insurmountable liability rather than the religion's lone asset.

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Justice saudi style, this is the rule of law from islams very own nation.
This is another example of one of mohummeds people acting as commanded by his religion.
Public anger has gripped Saudi Arabia after a prominent preacher who raped and beat to death his 5-year-old daughter was sentenced to a few months in jail and a $50,000 fine – known as 'blood money'– to compensate the victim's relatives.
­According to Islamic law, the 'blood money' can be paid in lieu of the death penalty. The preacher's fine was reportedly half the usual amount because the victim was a girl.
Saudi preacher Fayhan Ghamdi, a frequent guest on Muslim TV networks, confessed to using cables and a cane to inflict the injuries, AFP reported, quoting activists from the group ‘Women to Drive.’
Ghamdi reportedly doubted that his daughter, Lama Ghamdi, was a virgin, and forced her to undergo a medical inspection.
In December 2011, Lama was admitted to hospital with multiple injuries, including a crushed skull, broken ribs and left arm, and extensive bruising and burns, according to the activist group. Hospital worker Randa Kaleeb said that the girl's back was broken, and that she had been raped "everywhere."
And as predictable as ever, MUQ will strive to not condemn it.
He will however chastise other people who do rightfully try to condemn things of past crimes such as european imperialism.

Where is this quranic fruits of the world. The same old story is getting tiring to hear now from MUQ.

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Every post is proof that he does. LOL
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More innocent people were killed by Christians and White race than any other religion and race of the world.
Want to take a count?
The first Crusade began in 1095… 460 years AFTER the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies, 457 years AFTER Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies, 453 years AFTER Egypt was taken by Muslim armies, 443 AFTER Muslims first plundered Italy, 427 years AFTER Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople, 380 years AFTER Spain was conquered by Muslim armies, 363 years AFTER France was first attacked by Muslim armies, 249 years AFTER the capital of the Christian world, Rome itself, was sacked by a Muslim army, and only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians.
By the time the Crusades finally began, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world.

Europe had been harassed by Muslims since the first few years following Muhammad’s death. As early as 652, Muhammad’s followers launched raids on the island of Sicily, waging a full-scale occupation 200 years later that lasted almost a century and was punctuated by massacres, such as that at the town of Castrogiovanni, in which 8,000 Christians were put to death. In 1084, ten years before the first crusade, Muslims staged another devastating Sicilian raid, burning churches in Reggio, enslaving monks and raping an abbey of nuns before carrying them into captivity.
In 1095, Byzantine Emperor, Alexius I Comneus began begging the pope in Rome for help in turning back the Muslim armies which were overrunning what is now Turkey, grabbing property as they went and turning churches into mosques. Several hundred thousand Christians had been killed in Anatolia alone in the decades following 1050 by Seljuk invaders interested in 'converting' the survivors to Islam.
Not only were Christians losing their lives in their own lands to the Muslim advance but pilgrims to the Holy Land from other parts of Europe were being harassed, kidnapped, molested, forcibly converted to Islam and occasionally murdered.(Compare this to Islam’s justification for slaughter on the basis of Muslims being denied access to the Meccan pilgrimage in Muhammad’s time).

Renowned scholar Bernard Lewis points out that, "unlike the jihad, it [the Crusade] was concerned primarily with the defense or reconquest of threatened or lost Christian territory... The Muslim jihad, in contrast, was perceived as unlimited, as a religious obligation that would continue until all the world had either adopted the Muslim faith or submitted to Muslim rule... The object of jihad is to bring the whole world under Islamic law."

ISLAM WAS THE ATTACKER AND CHRISTIANITY WAS THE DEFENDER. Just like today Islam is still the attacker and other countries respond by defending themselves. The aim of Islam is world domination as it was then and it will never change until Jesus returns to destroy Islam and all its defenders
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Decent Muslims should feel a sense of embarrassment rather than pride over the rules that they have to enforce in order to maintain Islam's claim as the "fastest growing religion." In truth, it speaks more to the insecurity that Muslims have in their own religion, and the banal immaturity of Islam compared with other faiths.

Let’s say that you are playing chess with a 6-year-old boy. Instead of following the same set of rules, however, the child is allowed to make up rules that are preferential to him. One of the rules he decides on is that you aren’t allowed to make any moves on his half of the board, but he is allowed to make moves on yours. Another might be that it is impossible for any of his pieces to be taken.

Now, if the child is winning the game – which is assured by the conditions that he has imposed - is it really something in which he can truly take pride?

The rules that Muslims impose on the “conversion game” are almost exactly like this chess analogy. Other religions are not allowed to operate in Islam’s own territory (ie. preaching their faith and evangelizing) as Muslims are in others. Neither is conversion away from Islam allowed – on penalty of death.

In the Muslim world, Christians who evangelize are imprisoned, assaulted, beaten, set on fire, shot, bludgeoned, and tortured by Islamists. Missionaries are raped and killed. Former Muslims who embrace Christianity as their religion of choice are sexually assaulted, crippled, hanged, stoned, stabbed, dismembered, carved up, scalded, beheaded, brutalized, doused with acid, burned alive and publicly executed... and Muslims brag that their religion is growing faster!

Muslims who gloat over their “fast growing" religion are no different than the children from our example who delude themselves into thinking that they are smarter and better for “beating” a much wiser adult in a game played under manufactured conditions that render the artificial “victory” entirely meaningless.

Islam has been playing by its own rules since its inception. It is unlikely that Muslims will soon develop the confidence in their own religion (or the required social maturity) to lift the shameful restrictions to which it owes its success and risk competition with other faiths on a level playing field.

As was first mentioned, the truth of a belief or creed is never established by how many followers it has. But when a religion has to be supported by double standards, death threats and violence there is all the more reason to doubt its veracity.
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The first Crusade began in 1095… 460 years AFTER the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies, 457 years AFTER Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies, 453 years AFTER Egypt was taken by Muslim armies, 443 AFTER Muslims first plundered Italy, 427 years AFTER Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople, 380 years AFTER Spain was conquered by Muslim armies, 363 years AFTER France was first attacked by Muslim armies, 249 years AFTER the capital of the Christian world, Rome itself, was sacked by a Muslim army, and only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians.
By the time the Crusades finally began, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world.
Europe had been harassed by Muslims since the first few years following Muhammad’s death. As early as 652, Muhammad’s followers launched raids on the island of Sicily, waging a full-scale occupation 200 years later that lasted almost a century and was punctuated by massacres, such as that at the town of Castrogiovanni, in which 8,000 Christians were put to death. In 1084, ten years before the first crusade, Muslims staged another devastating Sicilian raid, burning churches in Reggio, enslaving monks and raping an abbey of nuns before carrying them into captivity.
In 1095, Byzantine Emperor, Alexius I Comneus began begging the pope in Rome for help in turning back the Muslim armies which were overrunning what is now Turkey, grabbing property as they went and turning churches into mosques. Several hundred thousand Christians had been killed in Anatolia alone in the decades following 1050 by Seljuk invaders interested in 'converting' the survivors to Islam.
Not only were Christians losing their lives in their own lands to the Muslim advance but pilgrims to the Holy Land from other parts of Europe were being harassed, kidnapped, molested, forcibly converted to Islam and occasionally murdered.(Compare this to Islam’s justification for slaughter on the basis of Muslims being denied access to the Meccan pilgrimage in Muhammad’s time).
Renowned scholar Bernard Lewis points out that, "unlike the jihad, it [the Crusade] was concerned primarily with the defense or reconquest of threatened or lost Christian territory... The Muslim jihad, in contrast, was perceived as unlimited, as a religious obligation that would continue until all the world had either adopted the Muslim faith or submitted to Muslim rule... The object of jihad is to bring the whole world under Islamic law."
ISLAM WAS THE ATTACKER AND CHRISTIANITY WAS THE DEFENDER. Just like today Islam is still the attacker and other countries respond by defending themselves. The aim of Islam is world domination as it was then and it will never change until Jesus returns to destroy Islam and all its defenders
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Ignoring Islam's success story and hiding your own's failures!!
You mean if you cannot discuss them logically, shut your ears and eyes and "pretend" they do not exist? Nice try!!
+++++ What is this success story +++++?
Success story?

A faith started by a Single person, who was double orphan and did not possess any material wealth and support of no state army or any other physical means of support.....grew to become one of the Largest faith on the face of this world?

There is hardly any country any city where believers of his faith are not available.

And there is no race, no language in which his followers are not available.

What else is success?

The more its enemies unite against it, the faster it grows!1

What else is success?

Look at Communism, with how much funfare it was launched? Every one looked upon it as "Philosophy for next world order". What happened? It collapsed under the weight of its own convictions. It caused maximum harm and pain to the class it came to defend. Farmers and Workers!!

Was that a Success?
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Rejoinder on the Mo’taliza Post:

I do not know what is your purpose of presenting this post on Mo’taliza?

There have been many attempts to “modernize Islam and bring it closer to the Ongoing Philosophy being popular in the world at that time”, but they all failed.

Islam has retained its shape and beliefs as it was when the Prophet of Allah and his companions left it.

You made such a longish post for something which is only to be found in the history books. And from Islamic books mind you, not from any Non Muslims books.

If Muslim Scholars had not written extensively about them, no one would even have remembered their names.

These Mo’taliza claimed that they are “reasonable” people and always talk with reason and logic. But when they failed to “prove” that Quran was a Created thing, they resorted to use of “Brute Force”.

What force they used on Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal to get a confession of faith that “Quran was a created thing” led to their collapse and rejection by the majority of people and they were thrown in the dump yard of history.

Similar attempts were made to “make a patch between Islam and Socialism and Islam and Communism” and Islam and so many isms that are floating in the world.

But there can never be any mixing between truth and falsehood. Islam and Quran and sayings of Prophet can never mix with any falsehood and they stand separated.

That is why Islam is today what it was 1400 years back.

Just look at Christianity, one person (St. Paul) single handedly demolished the teachings of Jesus Christ and substituted his own reason and logic in its place…. And there is no one in Christianity to undo his handiwork and restore the True Teachings of Jesus!!

That is difference between Islam and other religion. There is no place for St. Paul in Islam.

All deviant groups tried to become St. Paul but they were always rejected by majority of Muslims.

They can only exist on margins (Like Shia and Ismaeli etc.) and confuse people with their double talk.

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A faith started by a Single person, who was double orphan and did not possess any material wealth and support of no state army or any other physical means of support.....grew to become one of the Largest faith on the face of this world?
There is hardly any country any city where believers of his faith are not available.
And there is no race, no language in which his followers are not available.
What else is success?
The more its enemies unite against it, the faster it grows!1
What else is success?
Look at Communism, with how much funfare it was launched? Every one looked upon it as "Philosophy for next world order". What happened? It collapsed under the weight of its own convictions. It caused maximum harm and pain to the class it came to defend. Farmers and Workers!!
Was that a Success?
Its interesting to here a muslims perspective on what they concider as success in the name of there religion.

MUQ judges the success of his religion as its conquring of non muslim peacefull nations but ignors the damage his religion does to those nations and its peole and culture.

MUQ doesnt judge his religion by how inriching it is to other cultures or how rightous and better the people become because his religion would fail that test.

islam can only be judged succesfully by the damage it causes because thats all it really achieves once it arrives.

Well done islam..........

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No one has been able to prove that the koran is written by allah. In fact there were different versions of the koran around after the death of the prophet.

It is well known among Islamic scholars that Ubai Ibn Ka’b had a compilation of the Quran that differed from the current version, which was compiled primarily by Zaid Ibn Thabit.

Among the differences we know of between Zaid & Ubai’s Qurans, was the fact that Ubai’s Quran HAD TWO ADDITIONAL SURAS, al-Hafd and al-Khal'.(For more on this see as-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur'an, or read Gilchrist’s book Jam' Al-Qur'an, Chapter 3, pages 72-78, and also Surata al-Hafd and al-Khal'.)

This problem is acknowledged by Umar in the Hadith. In Sahih Bukhari, Vol. VI,#527, Umar noted that, despite the fact that Ubai was called the greatest reciter of the Quran by Muhammad, two of the Surahs in Ubai’s Quran were not put in Zaid’s codex. After noting the problem Umar attempted to provide a justification.

Sahih Bukhari, Vol. VI,#527 “Narrated Ibn Abbas:‘Umar said “Ubai was the best of us in the recitation (of the Quran) yet we leave some of what he recites.” Ubai says,“I have taken it from the mouth of Allah’s Apostle and will not leave for anything whatever.” But Allah said:“None of Our Revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar.”(2:106)’”

Umar’s attempt to explain the rejection of the Surahs in Ubai’s codex of the Quran by referring to these surahs as abrogated poses several problems:

By referring to the surahs as abrogated, Umar admits they were once part of the Quran.

One can hardly refer to these passages as “lost” or “caused to be forgotten” since Ubai, Umar and many others knew them. Ubai’s codex of the Quran was the standard version used in Syria before Uthman ordered all manuscripts that did not agree with the one compiled by Zaid et al. to be burned. Many still know Ubai’s surahs today! These surahs have not been lost, they have been REJECTED by the Muslim leaders!

According to Surah 3:3-4, these leaders bring a heavy doom on themselves and their followers.
The surahs were not abrogated by Allah, they were abrogated by Zaid and those who chose his text.

The Quran promises abrogated or forgotten things are replaced by Allah with something similar or better (Surah 2:106). How could this be done after Muhammad has passed away?

Zaid et al. should have accepted Ubai’s surahs even if they were only found with Ubai, since they accepted portions found only with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari (Bukhari, Vol. VI,#509,#510), and Ubai’s credentials exceeded that of Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari.

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